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u are heads up in a multi where the prize is quite substantial, a £1500 seat at a live tourney.

you have just arranged with the other guy that the winner will pay 10% of whatever he wins in the live tourney to the loser.

you are being outplayed and are down to 10% in chips.

suddenly the other guys connection fails. do you wait, or keep raising as quick as possible to pick up his blinds?

wait

depends whether s/he was a prat or not :)

Wait. It is the honourable(sp?) thing to do. You can go to bed knowing you did the correct thing, even if you didn't win the seat at the event this time.

Next time when you do win the seat. You will think to yourself  " i played like a man and deserve this".  ( "played like a man" is not meant to be sexist. It just sounds better than " played like a person"  :D )

how about, wait for about 2 minutes, thinking you really should wait.... then...   ;goodvevil;  decide to get all the chips in as quick as possible. get to a 66/33 position before he comes back.. and then play like a complete novice until you lose. hey presto, u have lost the tourney AND done the wrong thing. HURRAH!

I don't know about that  :D

i always wait.

hasn't done me much good, but I always wait!

i have to say i wouldnt sit out here. id be fair and would raise every bb....but id make it 50/50ish and keep it that way.

at the end of the day, if hes lost his connection then thats his fault, i know it sounds harsh but if hes going to be disconnected for a long period like 10 mins + then the blinds are going to catch up with you and it makes it much harder to make a comeback with the blinds so high and such a short stack.

if hes disconnected because of a poker room problem then thats the poker rooms issue that they will need to sort out. im not responsible for their servers!

if i knew the person on or off the tables then of course id sit out. if it was an idiot...id be all inevery hand....simple

sick , i dont know but i guess most would take the $$$$$$$$$$$ and win the comp

BUST THE MOUSE RAISING!!!!!

RAISE RAISE RAISE

I never met this guy before and i could'nt care less......................RAISE!!!!!!

I WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN MY LOCAL EVER AGAIN, MY FRIENDS WOULD SUFFER CONSIDERABLE STOMACH DAMAGE THROUGH EXTENSIVE LAUGHTER, AND I COULD'NT LIVE WITH MY SELF IF I DID SUCH A STUPID THING AS WAIT FOR HIM.!!!!!!!!!!

SMASH THE MOUSE RAISING!!!!!

if he did'nt do the same to me, and i saw that he'd waited for me, i'd renage on the agreement as i could'nt bring myself to keep a deal with such a dougnut.

BREAK THE MOUSE!!!

 4h Kh  beautiful      :D

I have to admit I would Raise. I'd expect it to be done to me as well.

This circumstance is exclusive to online play though. You don't know the guy and he probably lives on the other side of the world.

If I knew them either personally or via online I would wait.

In the example given a saver was made. If THAT had happened i would have to wait as we'd already been discussing deals. How long would I wait? 1 hour maybe - then I have to get on with my life and raise.

That doesn't make sense to me. You wait or you take.

If you get the chip count back to 50/50 then proceed to win once he gets back, your honour will still be brought into question. It's either all or nothing for me, no middle ground.

If you wait, well done you, but don't expect the same in return. Having your blinds stolen when suffering from connection problems is not cheating. You can't expect everyone to abide by a moral code that you invent.

 ;iagree; 100%

I had this the other day, I decided to sit out. The only thing was how long for, the blinds were still relatively small but it certainly wasn't going to be forever.
He came back after 5-10 minutes and I went on to win. Must have been good Karma as Earl would say.
The annoying thing was seeing some of the hands that I had during this period.
To each their own, I have had the reverse happen to me.

1) If you do know the person involved...?

Brado said that he agreed 10% with his opponent. This assumes that they know each other well enough to at least be able to chase up potential winnings after the live game is over.

As it happens, I think I know which event he's talking about (I finished in 4th place that day), and I have to say that in his shoes I would have waited - knowing that I'm going to be playing with the other guy on a regular basis.

But this brings up a potential moral landmine - if I didn't know my opponent, would I still wait? Surely if waiting is the right thing to do, then it's the right thing to do in all situations?

In the past, I haven't always waited. It was before I really thought about the implications of such a tactic. If there are four or more players left and one is disconned, I don't think it's practical to wait; it's just too difficult to co-ordinate the act of waiting, and there will likely be someone at the table, probably short-chipped, who won't play ball. If there are three, (as in that Sportingodds invitational) then you're right on the borderline of possible waiting. Some people would say yes, some people would say no. With heads up, then it's more practical to wait - the last time I was heads up with a disconn'ed player, I did wait - and ended up losing the Heads Up after he reconnected.

I agree with tank that this is a personal question - there's no hard and fast rule, and I wouldn't look on someone as evil and corrupt for choosing to take the blinds in a heads up situation.

The main problem for me as regarding waiting, is of course that you never know how long the other person is going to be disconnected for. If you could know that it's just a USB broadband modem and a dodgy USB port, which will be fixed in a few seconds, I would wait every time - but the disconnection may be symptomatic of something deeper and less easy to fix. In which case, it's just not practical to wait. The guy might not come back. In these days of good broadband access it's rare, but it does happen - as the SO Invitational proved. There's no way to tell which type of disconnection it is.

This is where having the option to make a deal comes in - if the opponent is disconn'ed for a long time and the blinds rise to crapshoot levels in the meantime, it would be nice to have the option to chop, just so that one can sit out without feeling like an idiot for passing up a great chance at winning the tournament. In this way the disconnected player would not be penalised for an "Act of God" screwing up his/her tournament, and the 'lucky' opponent has the opportunity to do the right thing without risking $s.

As it is, without the option to do the deal, then doing the right thing becomes a harder sell.

i.e. "I want to be a nice person, but there are heavy dollars on the line... what do I do?"

Which I suppose is why some people hedge their bets: "I'll just take a few... to get me back in it... and then wait for a bit..."

We can't all be Andy Black, weeping over the guy who isn't there to defend himself. Poker is enough of a competitive endeavour to make sure that some people would stick to their alligator blood guns and kill the opposition in any circumstances - and also which is why I say I wouldn't look with disfavour on someone who habitually did that... all it means is that I would be more inclined to do it to them if the situation fell my way.

2) There is another distinction that it might be worthwhile to  consider - which is, the difference between how to behave at the heads-up stage of a MTT, as opposed to a STT.

As a recreational player, however, I am enough of a sportsman to say that I generally hope to win my battles with the other person connected and at full strength; there is a bit of a pyschological let-down in winning a tournament if you know that you didn't need to play any poker to get the win under your belt.

So in MTTs, again, I would be more inclined to wait - but in an STT? Well, they come along two-a-penny and I don't attach nearly enough 'glory' to them. If I don't know the person on the other end, and will probably never play them again, I could feel perfectly justified in taking the dollars and running.

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I believe it's a complex situation to consider, neither black-and-white, nor cut-and-dried.

I don't pretend to have a concrete answer...

this is what i often do......... I rasie the hands i would normally raise with if 3 way HU depends on the person.

ok.

i had a frustrating sng 10 dollar buy in. Murdered it and got to heads up where i kept getting intermittently disconnected and it showed as me siting out. The other guy never tried to steal my blind and waited. I was chip leader by far so basically he was accepting 2nd place by doing this. He could have raised all the time and got himself back into a playable position.

i dont know if i could have done what he did but i have a note on him to thank him and play fair by him...thats the way i`ll work it.

lmao, @ bolt, thats quality,   i agree with sunday 8:00pm's reply, my thoughts entirely

If my opponent is too stingy to be bothered to get broadband to replace his dial-up or is using some tinpot broadband company that reroutes its signals via Guatamala, Outer Mongolia and Kilmarnock - three of the worlds most out of the way places then it isnt my problem. I'll take the chips every time.

 

I raise every time.  A disconnect is not my problem nor my fault.  What if he's offline for 3 hours?  Maybe his boss walked in and demanded he stop playing?  Are you supposed to sit there and wait forever?

lol, Matt.

I would like to take this time to show you that Kilmarnock has many famous residents ( ok, I admit these are scraping the barrel. But I couldn't find anyone else).  I have heard, there is a talented up and coming poker player from the town though  :D

The below examples are taken from   http://www.knowhere.co.uk/502_heroes.html

1.One of the creators of the "Tweenies" is from Killie originally. Also, the wee minging boy at the beginning of Braveheart goes to Kilmarnock
Academy

2.Cat Weasel (Most famous Tramp to walk the earth, apparently he used to be really rich, but now seen walking the streets of Killie and not Milan.)

3.Apparently Kirsty Wark is from Kilmarnock. I thought that the fat one out of High Road was from Killie as well, but it turns out she's from Prestwick.

i know squire, just a bit of primate leg pulling - next week it'll be somewhere else, Didcot is looking like being favourite at the moment ;)

Why Didcot?

I never realised Kilmarnock had a famous tramp.  I actually think I have seen the guy the website is talking about.  :D

Raise like a fiend!

In it to win it!

LOL @ bust the mouse.

I raise and rob... sorry Karma people 8)