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Title: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: David Parlor on March 09, 2006, 11:14:16 PM
Assume a player raises in the first round of betting and all players fold around to the Big Blind who has not yet acted, then the raiser folds his cards. How should this be treated?

The first argument is that the player who raised, losses his chips as he must protect his hand. This would assume that the Big Blind had sufficient chips to call the raise and would then be awarded the pot. If the Big Blind did not have sufficient chips he would be awarded an amount equal to his total stack of chips. Does the Big Blind need to state “call” to be awarded the pot or does he automatically win?

Another argument is that the Big Blind would only win the size of the Big Blind and the raiser would be permitted to take his raise back. The problem with this is that a raiser that believes he may get reraised may deliberately fold his hand to get his raise back. Other issues to consider include; was the raiser instructed to pass his cards by the dealer, and were the Big Blind’s cards visible to the table? How would you treat the situation in both of these cases?

I am interested in comments as to how this situation would be treated.


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: madasahatstand on March 09, 2006, 11:19:51 PM
im lost  :D


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 09, 2006, 11:23:26 PM
hi lost - im rookie


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: madasahatstand on March 09, 2006, 11:32:29 PM
if the raiser folds and im on the big blind and have not acted. i win. s/he has folded.


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: matt674 on March 09, 2006, 11:33:24 PM
Personally i'd give all the chips including the raise to the big blind as because he/she is the only one with cards they are the last person standing in the pot. It'll teach the raiser to keep his eye on the action and protect his/her cards.

But then i'm not a tournament director!!

(IF YOU MENTION THE WORDS "FREE DRINKS" THEN LONDONPOKERGIRL WILL SOON ARRIVE AND GIVE YOU A PROPER OPINION!!) ;)


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: Sark79 on March 09, 2006, 11:35:44 PM
I am rubbish at cards. So instead I will just say   :hello:


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: shortstack_itb on March 09, 2006, 11:36:52 PM
Hes mucked, cards are dead, BB takes the pot! Simple!


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: madasahatstand on March 09, 2006, 11:39:49 PM
bye the way  :hello: ;welcome; ;welcome;


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: BlueWolf on March 10, 2006, 12:36:58 AM
Generally the player yet to act (the BB) would be awarded the pot, as a gesture the original raiser would be given his raise back and warned to pay a little more attention, also it would be made clear he was lucky to get his raise back. In some circumstances this wouldnt be the case though.

Its simple though the BB wins, it is the players responsability to protect their cards and follow the action.


Title: Re: Raiser folds before end of betting round.
Post by: turny on March 10, 2006, 01:46:50 AM
not rocket science is it  :D