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Title: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: CelticGeezeer on March 11, 2006, 09:56:27 PM I have gone out of three trnys today in the same situation.
I have hit a set on the flop, with two suited cards also on the flop. On each occasion I have gone all in to prevent the four flush hands calling. All three times they called and hit their flush. Am I making the wrong move or just unlucky. Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: TightEnd on March 11, 2006, 09:59:48 PM It's just a classic situation isn't it
you absolutely have to make them pay to hit their draw. You don't say if they had nut draws or not, but anyways you'll win your fair share of these over time and of course many a time the flush draw SHOULD fold if non-nut Hard luck, keep at it! Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: CelticGeezeer on March 11, 2006, 10:04:09 PM Thanks for that i was beginning to doubt the move :)up
Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: WellChief on March 12, 2006, 12:27:33 AM If you're asking if you should go all in every time you hit a set and there's a possible draw on the board then no you should not. People worry a lot about draws. Don't overbet the pot, there's no need, if you bet 3/4 pot you're forcing them into making a mistake by calling and that's all you want.
Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: TightEnd on March 12, 2006, 12:29:18 AM If you're asking if you should go all in every time you hit a set and there's a possible draw on the board then no you should not. People worry a lot about draws. Don't overbet the pot, there's no need, if you bet 3/4 pot you're forcing them into making a mistake by calling and that's all you want. exactly.....and an overbet can look weak...almost encouraging to them to call.... Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: clayftknight on March 12, 2006, 06:58:05 AM If your priority is to find a way of playing the hand to reduce your chance of getting knocked out then yes, your move is wrong.
If this is the case then the hard bet should be on the turn not the flop (assuming the turn isn't the 3rd of that suit) The guy on a draw, with only one card to come, will not call you, on the flop they often do and even though you say to yourself afterwards that he shouldn't have called, it doesn't ease the pain much. So, if priority is staying in, push on the turn not the flop, however, you may be giving up some equity because of course long term you want the flush draw calling without odds....the choice is yours, just know why you made the given play and take the rough with the smooth. Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: temp0r on March 12, 2006, 01:37:49 PM a set is almost a 70% fave against a flush draw. against tight players or in the middle stages of a tournament pushing on the flop is fine. but as clayftknight says pushing on the turn is much better for survival purposes so in the later stages unless you're a big stack you should bet and either force them over the top when they're behind or build the pot abit for you to take it with a push on the turn when they miss.
however putting your opponent on a flush draw is probably the most common miss-read i see so be careful. Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: Royal Flush on March 13, 2006, 02:19:32 AM Why the hell do you want to push a flush draw out when you have a set!!
Get the fools in the pot. Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: Nem on March 13, 2006, 02:34:58 AM Why the hell do you want to push a flush draw out when you have a set!! Get the fools in the pot. ;iagree; Title: Re: Set on flop v flush draw Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 13, 2006, 03:55:59 AM Why the hell do you want to push a flush draw out when you have a set!! Get the fools in the pot. ;iagree; ;iagree; with Flushy's rather blunt statement. ;D |