Title: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: mjrevie on March 15, 2006, 01:52:54 PM Couldnt be bothered changing to another forum so thought i would just ask here. We keep hearing that the FA have 'concerns' about having allardyce as next England manager. Am I missing something completely obvious, but what are these concerns??
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Rod Paradise on March 15, 2006, 01:56:55 PM That there hasn't been a properly successful English manager since Wilkinson?
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: ACE2M on March 15, 2006, 01:59:20 PM give us stuart pearce and some good technical staff. we need some passion.
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: AdamM on March 15, 2006, 02:04:15 PM pearce assistant coach at most
Big Sam, nice fella, who wants to watch England grind out 1-0 games though McLaren deserves a shot for me Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: RyG on March 15, 2006, 02:29:38 PM Im pretty sure im not the only one that would take winning every competitive game 1 nil if it meant we won the world cup.... look at englands rugby team, when we won the world cup we hardly played sincilating rugby, jst used our forward strength and let sir jonny knock over the goals...
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: snoopy1239 on March 15, 2006, 02:49:49 PM Allardyce will be a MASSIVE flop.
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Karabiner on March 15, 2006, 02:52:38 PM Allardyce will be a MASSIVE flop. What like As Ah Ad ? Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: RyG on March 15, 2006, 02:55:05 PM my post isnt meant to imply that i think big sam should get the job. Personally, id like to see Curbs have a bash see what he can do.
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Rod Paradise on March 15, 2006, 03:05:05 PM That there hasn't been a properly successful English manager since Wilkinson? So you're not concerned about this then :D Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: BlueWolf on March 15, 2006, 03:13:00 PM personally i'd give it peter taylor, did an amazing job with most of the current crop in his first stint as U21 boss before being abruptly repolaced for no reason after 20 games unbeaten, he made Becks captain in his 1 senior game in charge too. and is working wonders with the U21's again now.
although big sam would be good as he has the will and the passion,dont think curbs would do well though IMO Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: mjrevie on March 15, 2006, 03:38:11 PM all very good, but what are the specific issues with big Sam? Just the way all the papers are reporting it, its as if there is an issue with him, and not his quality as a manager!!
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: mex on March 15, 2006, 04:34:41 PM The issue is lack of comedy value, Sven we do the silly swedish voice and basil fawltey gangly thing, old Tel we do the gangster linked old blue eyes thing. Hoddle well.... comedy gold mine.
Big Sam? His name is even bad to ryhme stuff with, half the tabloids can't even spell allerdyce/allrdice/allerdyce. If i was writing the back pages i would be upset. Have to pick on Beckham again. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: AndrewT on March 15, 2006, 04:58:07 PM The issues with Big Sam are 1) his childish spat with Alan Green, and refusing to talk to Radio Five. Dealing with the media is a huge part of the England manager's job - spitting his dummy out over perceived sleights against him won't win him brownie points and 2) the sneaking suspicion that he's a manager who relies on work-rate because he has a lack of creativity.
Remember the last World Cup when Brazil went 2-1 up against us? Sven's total lack of ability to change his strategy (essentially there was no Plan B) cost us. The FA want to try and get someone who will be able to come up with a Plan B if things go wrong - rather than just shout at his players to 'run about more'. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: TightEnd on March 15, 2006, 06:13:26 PM personally i'd give it peter taylor, did an amazing job with most of the current crop in his first stint as U21 boss before being abruptly repolaced for no reason after 20 games unbeaten, he made Becks captain in his 1 senior game in charge too. and is working wonders with the U21's again now. Oh ffs no, this is a disgraceful thought He ruined my club He is crap at Hull Fortunately this will not happen Going to lie down Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: TightEnd on March 15, 2006, 06:15:51 PM Played next to a West Ham player this week
Said they got thrashed at Bolton "they are really diffcult to play against because they are big, strong and organised" what do you think of Big Sam " fine with that type of club constantly over-achieving but hasn't got the tactical variations or detailed knowledge necessary to be a top manager at international level" Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: GlasgowBandit on March 15, 2006, 06:23:07 PM we won the world cup.... Ha Ha 8) Your having a Girraffe right mate? More chance of Scotland winning the WC before England win it a 2nd time. ;scarymoment; Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: The Baron on March 15, 2006, 07:07:51 PM Big Sam aint even nearly coped with European football. He's never won a trophy. He doesn't have a team that plays good football.
Whilst that last point might seem irrelevant if we are "getting results" I would rather not see Lampard and Gerrard removed from the game because of his long ball tactics. IMO we must go foreign. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: snoopy1239 on March 15, 2006, 07:08:54 PM re Sam
I really don't think it's a good idea to give the England job to a man who looks like he's going to have a heart attack if he loses a drop-ball. We might as well give the job to Peter Reid. Better still, how about Mike Bassett? Has to be Curbishly for me. At least he has English players in his team. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: ifm on March 15, 2006, 07:11:29 PM re Sam I really don't think it's a good idea to give the England job to a man who looks like he's going to have a heart attack if he loses a drop-ball. We might as well give the job to Peter Reid. Better still, how about Mike Bassett? Has to be Curbishly for me. At least he has English players in his team. Bugger, i agree with a V* * * a fan.............. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Nem on March 15, 2006, 07:22:22 PM Quote from: snoopy1239 link=topic=8053.msg173112#m Has to be Curbishly for me. At least he has English players in his team. lol Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: GlasgowBandit on March 15, 2006, 07:22:51 PM Personally I don't give a monkeys as longa s Engalnd get beat 8) :D
But I I where appointing a manager I think you need someone with passion, but who also has the tactical know how to win and change games. Engalnd need to go for some one who is fearless and wont be bothered by players sulking. There is one guy who is a stand out but doesn't have enough experience IMO and that is Stuart Pearse. Pearse should be brought into the coaching set-up alongside a seasoned campaigner like Harry Redknapp. Foreign managers don't always produce success look at Sven he has hardly been outstanding. If Wegner wins the Champions LEague I reckon you should go for him!!! Also as a total outside bet what about Terry Butcher? Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Jim-D on March 15, 2006, 07:24:36 PM like Harry Redknapp. LOL..... rotflmfao rotflmfao Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: TightEnd on March 15, 2006, 07:24:59 PM Harry Redknapp??? doing wonders at Southampton then Portsmouth
TerryButcher????...fantastic at Motherwell known for his purist football Berti Vogts......etc etc Behave!!!! Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: The Baron on March 15, 2006, 07:30:01 PM My vote goes to Alain Perrin
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: GlasgowBandit on March 15, 2006, 07:30:43 PM Harry Redknapp??? doing wonders at Southampton then Portsmouth TerryButcher????...fantastic at Motherwell known for his purist football Berti Vogts......etc etc Behave!!!! With Harry Redknapp you have to look beyone what he has done with Southampton and Pompey IMO. With Southampton that was a hard job for anyone, he done well with pomey in his first stint with the resources he had and I bet he will keep them up. Terry Butcher IMO has done a cracking job at Motherwell, under very difficult circumatnces and they play neat,, attractive flowing football. How many times you seen well play tighty? Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: TightEnd on March 15, 2006, 07:32:59 PM several times on tv only. Of course not in person.
agreed, not bad but England manager? eek Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: GlasgowBandit on March 15, 2006, 07:36:22 PM He was a great captain. And he had success as a player. And he wouldn't puddy foota round with numpties like Beckham. I am sure he would make sure that there was a left winger in the squad and that the defence was organised.
I was suprised Butcher wasn't named Rangers manager but David Murray was running scared after his last appointment from a Scottish club. I reckon Le Guen will flop and Butcher will be at Ibrox within 18 months and then he'll be a serious contender for England for no other reason that he's been at a "big club" I use the term loosley! 8) Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Nem on March 15, 2006, 09:53:24 PM Guus Hiddink Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: thetank on March 15, 2006, 10:07:29 PM I don't agree with going foreign.
Becoming the national coach should be an honour and not just a pay-day. Employ as many dago advisers as you wish, but I feel your top honcho should be homegrown. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: thetank on March 15, 2006, 10:31:57 PM The issue is lack of comedy value, Sven we do the silly swedish voice and basil fawltey gangly thing, old Tel we do the gangster linked old blue eyes thing. Hoddle well.... comedy gold mine. Big Sam? His name is even bad to ryhme stuff with, half the tabloids can't even spell allerdyce/allrdice/allerdyce. You needn't worry. Obviously these puns take around 6 months to write, however they have people working on them just now. They write in a similar way to obituray authors, they'll be all ready for any contingency, whoever gets the job. Surely there must be World Cups worth of Casablanca, "Play it again Sam" material somewhere. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: The Truth on March 15, 2006, 11:34:23 PM Reckon they should just offer the job as a prize in the national lottery. ;tk;
Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: snoopy1239 on March 16, 2006, 02:23:39 AM I don't agree with going foreign. Becoming the national coach should be an honour and not just a pay-day. Employ as many dago advisers as you wish, but I feel your top honcho should be homegrown. I don't like having foreign managers either. If England lift the trophy, then it's Enlgand winning with a little help from a Swede. A manager is as much a part of the team as the players, so why don't we just stick Ronaldinho in there too. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: The Baron on March 16, 2006, 02:33:32 AM Imagine Arsenal winning the European Cup without an Englishman in the side. Disgraceful. Don't tell Arsenal fans that though.
Or even worse Liverpool doing it with a load of Spaniards - do I look bothered? Now imagine Portugal had beaten Greece in the last Euro Championships.... Horrendous with a Brazilian coach, although no one in Portugal would have cared. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: vinni on March 16, 2006, 02:42:19 AM sams the man , we dont want no donkey like butcher ,
you scotts dont know anything about football you only play sunday league sides there anyhow Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Nem on March 16, 2006, 03:23:18 AM Imagine Arsenal winning the European Cup without an Englishman in the side. Disgraceful. Don't tell Arsenal fans that though. Or even worse Liverpool doing it with a load of Spaniards - do I look bothered? Now imagine Portugal had beaten Greece in the last Euro Championships.... Horrendous with a Brazilian coach, although no one in Portugal would have cared. ;applause; ;applause; ;applause; Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2006, 04:32:10 AM sams the man , we dont want no donkey like butcher , you scotts dont know anything about football you only play sunday league sides there anyhow of course in his playing days Sam Allardyce was a centre half of finesse and timing, known for inch perfect 60 yard cross field passes and was often compared to Puskas in his skills, Bobby Moore in his reading of the game and Des Walker with his pace His Bolton side shows the same attributes and completely overshadows Butcher's minimal football achievements. Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: 12barblues on March 16, 2006, 04:46:12 PM ............ why don't we just stick Ronaldinho in there too. What? Are you crazy? Ahead of the silky skills and lethal finishing of Peter Crouch? Title: Re: ot - Concerns about Allardyce as manager Post by: Nem on March 16, 2006, 04:49:22 PM ............ why don't we just stick Ronaldinho in there too. What? Are you crazy? Ahead of the silky skills and lethal finishing of Peter Crouch? rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao |