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I played in the £50 (2) rebuy tourney in notts last nite. Am deep-stacked with around 40,000 chips (average is 16,000) and blinds are 600/1200 with 40 left. Folded round to Mateyboy on my right (who actually has 43,000) and is on the button. He raises it to 2,500, I call on the SB with  4c 5c and BB also calls. I know the way mateyboy plays and he is usually quite a tight/aggresive player. Anyway, flop comes  Kc Qc Th. Now, BB (who has 16,000) raises 3,000 and mateyboy calls. I thought his call was weak because if he had trips, two pair, even a straight he might wanna protect against that board. I put him on AK/AQ and I pushed all-in. BB folded and mateyboy thought for an eternity before calling with  Aspades  Kh and won the pot. I thought it was a very good/ very lucky call and I while I know I would have folded in his position, surely I'm the only one to blame.

Should I have?

a) flat called the raise after the flop?
b) folded pre-flop/post-flop?
c) could i have taken him off the pot raising say, 15,000 after the flop and then all-in with the blank on the turn? Maybe the over-bet signified a drawing hand?

B.   The call pre flop was made hoping for a rag flop after (correctly) putting your opponents on big hands.   You missed the flop totally and a bet and call in front of you gives you all the reasons you need to get out.

Pre flop you did nothing wrong, but I dont think you were in a position to steal once you missed the flop.

I would say B as well. I'm not a big fan of the call pre-flop but as you were deep stacked, it probably made sense but its not how I like to play.

If I was in mateyboys position, I would have almost definitely folded to the all in, but you cant assume that other players will play like you and me.

I'd probably dump this in the SB to a raise from the other big stack.....but why not call the flop?....it's 3k to you with 13k-odd in the pot. See the turn and then play from there.

Too passive?

don't see anything incredibly wrong with that play. though it does kinda reek of a flush draw so your mate knew he had the odds to call probably. which i doubt you were particularly hoping for. 

Maybe I'm being pedantic,  but whilst your 40,000 is undoubtedly a 'big' stack at 2.5 times average, is it really a 'deep' stack at 33 times the BB of 1,200 and 16 times the raise to 2,500? 

The reason I think this is relevant is that 45 suited is really the dregs as far as suited connectors go and you are out of position.  I would take a lot of convincing that the risk/reward ratio favoured a pre-flop call here rather than a fold (but I'm open to persuasion as Joan Armatrading once sang  :D )

That said, you flopped your flush draw and Mateyboy kindly gave you the opportunity to see the turn at the correct odds despite you being out of position.  Flat call would be my preference here, particularly as this board must have hit at least one of your opponents.

I think that pushing against a bettor and a raiser and expecting them to fold is a little optimistic.

I can never bring myself to call with rags pre-flop-  always scared of an over pair. I don't think I'm a good enough post flop player to win pots in these situations.