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Title: What are the odds ?
Post by: bundle on March 18, 2006, 08:44:02 AM
I was just playing online cash game, 5 Handed  3 players see a flop QAQ   Player 1 bets... I call holding AT player 3 calls
Turn card is 2...Player 1 bets i call as does player 3

River is the A 

 QAQ2A

PLAYER 1 bets i raise and all the chips from all 3 players end up in the pot.....

Player 1  Q8...............   Queens full of aces   VERY BAD PLAY

ME AT.......................... Aces full of queens

Player 3  22..................Twos full of queens. ANOTHER BAD CALL

Has anyone ever seen a hand like this. ? It's not how anyone played it. Just boat over boat over boat

there is no hand history it was on tribeca



Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on March 18, 2006, 10:56:09 AM
I find this happens quite a lot online and IMO its so the house can increase the rake it takes.

In your example you don't say how many chips are involved but you basically have two players all in amd you covering both of them ................. the house is laughing!


Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: thetank on March 18, 2006, 11:34:55 AM
Why would the house be laughing?
The rake is probably maxed out without needing 3 players all-in.

In fact, it would probably be better for the house if no-one ever got busted in big hands. When a player loses all their chips, they often end their session. More tables would be filled and consequently more rake generated if the house set the opposite, no-one hitting the flop big.

Why would any of the big sites want to screw with their cash cow by mucking with the RNG? They can make billions legit so why go crooked and risk it all?

I've heard this "online action flop" theory for years and I've never been convinced. No-one has ever come out with some solid statistical evidence to back up their claims. It's relatively easy to obtain 10 million online hand historys and do this.

People who think the same way as you have undertaken such studies. They've abandoned them when it became clear all they were proving was a random distribution and the fairness of online poker.





You will see more of the above type hands in online rather than live poker. There are 2 main reasons for this.

Firstly as you get dealt almost 3 times as many hands per hour, and that's if you're just playing one table.

Secondly because online, you seem to get more players paying off with hands like Q8 and calling a bet and a call on the flop they missed with 22. In short, more bad play = more monster vs monster hands after all 5 board cards are out.




The human mind is a pattern recognizing machine so people can be forgiven for coming to these conclusions. When it comes down to it though, our brains aren't set up for subconcious scientific statistical analysis.





Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: ifm on March 18, 2006, 12:08:06 PM
Sod the hand analysis stuff, WHERE THE F**K HAVE YOU BEEN BUNDLE??

I missed the jogger :D


Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: bundle on March 18, 2006, 12:27:20 PM
 I have never seen Boat over boat over boat before. but with that said....I should never have seen it here if they were good players, they would not have let me see the river so cheap....

Ifm.... I was in hospital and wife let the internet go, (she never uses it) 


Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: ifm on March 18, 2006, 12:29:21 PM
Nothing serious i hope mate, good to see you back.


Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: bundle on March 18, 2006, 12:41:27 PM
 It's good to be back, i have missed so much reading and have been trying to catch up, can you tell me how jen did in the big one, I really can't be arsed to read the whole lot.


And thanks, Im feeling better now
Cheers


Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: ifm on March 18, 2006, 12:49:35 PM
Jen was chipleader after day 1 but sadly went out mid day 2.


Title: Re: What are the odds ?
Post by: Bongo on March 18, 2006, 04:15:18 PM
Sites would surely maximise their rake by making more split pots? This way they take maximum rake and no one gets busted thus keeping all the cash in play longer for them to rake again.