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Title: TPTK Post by: byronkincaid on March 19, 2006, 07:56:17 PM Rebuy tourney, sat for the $650 WSOP sat. Matey seems like a pretty good tough player to me. 30ish players left 9 win a seat I'm below average chips.
PokerStars Game #4340651020: Tournament #21201427, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2006/03/19 - 11:42:36 (ET) Table '21201427 3' Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: realox (12355 in chips) Seat 2: DORIANXXL (5900 in chips) Seat 3: Kru223 (4225 in chips) Seat 4: nateman (14886 in chips) Seat 5: PantyThief (5145 in chips) Seat 6: Eastie3246 (4630 in chips) Seat 7: ByronKincaid (6500 in chips) Seat 8: Schecky (9650 in chips) Seat 9: gnsd22 (6435 in chips) realox: posts the ante 25 DORIANXXL: posts the ante 25 Kru223: posts the ante 25 nateman: posts the ante 25 PantyThief: posts the ante 25 Eastie3246: posts the ante 25 ByronKincaid: posts the ante 25 Schecky: posts the ante 25 gnsd22: posts the ante 25 DORIANXXL: posts small blind 100 Kru223: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ByronKincaid [As Kh] nateman: folds PantyThief: folds Eastie3246: folds ByronKincaid: raises 400 to 600 Schecky: folds gnsd22: folds realox: calls 600 DORIANXXL: folds Kru223: folds *** FLOP *** [7s Ad 5h] ByronKincaid: bets 800 realox: raises 800 to 1600 What to do? Title: Re: TPTK Post by: Dewi_cool on March 19, 2006, 08:30:45 PM He's hoping u just put in a continuation bet, you can re raise or flat call with check raise on the turn
Title: Re: TPTK Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 19, 2006, 08:46:23 PM I'd prefer to raise here to around 3000. Check/raising on the turn will cost you more chips if he has two pair or trips, I'd rather flat-call and check/call down to the river than check-raise the turn with only TPTK.
Title: Re: TPTK Post by: Sunday8pm on March 19, 2006, 09:10:27 PM I'd prefer to raise here to around 3000. Check/raising on the turn will cost you more chips if he has two pair or trips, I'd rather flat-call and check/call down to the river than check-raise the turn with only TPTK. when you say that do you mean you will call if he re raises all in or will you pass? you CAN'T pass AK here. Once you have raised pre and bet the flop you have 1/4 of your stack in the middle with most likely the best hand, this is a premium oppurtunity to double up and its much more chance he has AQ, AJ, AT than a set or 2 pair. how did it pan out? Title: Re: TPTK Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 19, 2006, 11:39:02 PM I'd prefer to raise here to around 3000. Check/raising on the turn will cost you more chips if he has two pair or trips, I'd rather flat-call and check/call down to the river than check-raise the turn with only TPTK. when you say that do you mean you will call if he re raises all in or will you pass? you CAN'T pass AK here. Once you have raised pre and bet the flop you have 1/4 of your stack in the middle with most likely the best hand, this is a premium oppurtunity to double up and its much more chance he has AQ, AJ, AT than a set or 2 pair. how did it pan out? He's giving you over 5-1 on the flop. You've represented the Ace that you, he would concede, most likely have, and yet he still wants you in the pot. I don't think you're ahead here. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: Dewi_cool on March 20, 2006, 12:13:56 AM course your ahead, he's a bully take it off him
Title: Re: TPTK Post by: Sunday8pm on March 20, 2006, 01:36:30 AM I'd prefer to raise here to around 3000. Check/raising on the turn will cost you more chips if he has two pair or trips, I'd rather flat-call and check/call down to the river than check-raise the turn with only TPTK. when you say that do you mean you will call if he re raises all in or will you pass? you CAN'T pass AK here. Once you have raised pre and bet the flop you have 1/4 of your stack in the middle with most likely the best hand, this is a premium oppurtunity to double up and its much more chance he has AQ, AJ, AT than a set or 2 pair. how did it pan out? only a panicky rock would pass here in my opinion He's giving you over 5-1 on the flop. You've represented the Ace that you, he would concede, most likely have, and yet he still wants you in the pot. I don't think you're ahead here. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: The Baron on March 20, 2006, 01:42:36 AM course your ahead, he's a bully take it off him I disagree. A bully would raise more. He's giving you odds to call and I never like that. Especially at this level where the players will be decent. I would however raise here to find out where you are. If he calls/reraises you are in trouble. The problem is you cant really do this without committing yourself. I guess the logic then moves to being a call and giving him the action on the turn. (OR you could dump it in and pray for AQ!) Title: Re: TPTK Post by: Sunday8pm on March 20, 2006, 01:52:16 AM course your ahead, he's a bully take it off him I disagree. A bully would raise more. He's giving you odds to call and I never like that. Especially at this level where the players will be decent. I would however raise here to find out where you are. If he calls/reraises you are in trouble. The problem is you cant really do this without committing yourself. I guess the logic then moves to being a call and giving him the action on the turn. (OR you could dump it in and pray for AQ!) if you think the players are pretty good, and they are making their bet out to be a 'value raise' then surely you can still percieve this as a bluff? A good player will make their bluffs look like 'call me' bets. Alternatively he could be trying to get action with AJ or AT thinking he is ahead Title: Re: TPTK Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 20, 2006, 01:57:11 AM I'd prefer to raise here to around 3000. Check/raising on the turn will cost you more chips if he has two pair or trips, I'd rather flat-call and check/call down to the river than check-raise the turn with only TPTK. when you say that do you mean you will call if he re raises all in or will you pass? you CAN'T pass AK here. Once you have raised pre and bet the flop you have 1/4 of your stack in the middle with most likely the best hand, this is a premium oppurtunity to double up and its much more chance he has AQ, AJ, AT than a set or 2 pair. how did it pan out? only a panicky rock would pass here in my opinion He's giving you over 5-1 on the flop. You've represented the Ace that you, he would concede, most likely have, and yet he still wants you in the pot. I don't think you're ahead here. AJ AT AQ would raise more here post flop because min-raising doesn't tell you enough about your kicker. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: The Baron on March 20, 2006, 01:59:11 AM Yup true. It works both ways. (If I knew that, he knew that, I know that, he knows that.......)
You do make an excellent point for the Ace lower kicker too - in that trips should probably flat call here. In honesty I'm not sure you have enough chips to find out where you are without going all-in here. The min reraise stinks of strength to me though. I'd flat call and reassess the turn. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 20, 2006, 02:01:36 AM Yup true. It works both ways. (If I knew that, he knew that, I know that, he knows that.......) You do make an excellent point for the Ace lower kicker too - in that trips should probably flat call here. In honesty I'm not sure you have enough chips to find out where you are without going all-in here. The min reraise stinks of strength to me though. I'd flat call and reassess the turn. I'm not sure what would constitute a good card for the turn. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: The Baron on March 20, 2006, 02:06:24 AM Yup true. It works both ways. (If I knew that, he knew that, I know that, he knows that.......) You do make an excellent point for the Ace lower kicker too - in that trips should probably flat call here. In honesty I'm not sure you have enough chips to find out where you are without going all-in here. The min reraise stinks of strength to me though. I'd flat call and reassess the turn. I'm not sure what would constitute a good card for the turn. That's assuming you are ahead. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 20, 2006, 02:07:39 AM Yup true. It works both ways. (If I knew that, he knew that, I know that, he knows that.......) You do make an excellent point for the Ace lower kicker too - in that trips should probably flat call here. In honesty I'm not sure you have enough chips to find out where you are without going all-in here. The min reraise stinks of strength to me though. I'd flat call and reassess the turn. I'm not sure what would constitute a good card for the turn. That's assuming you are ahead. Where are you Byron dammit? We want answers! :D Title: Re: TPTK Post by: M3boy on March 20, 2006, 02:10:02 AM NICE POST - Quality debateable one this!!
What happened?!? Title: Re: TPTK Post by: The Baron on March 20, 2006, 02:15:45 AM Flat call on the button vs an UTG raiser?
Hmmm.... I would think to raise he either has AQ AK 77 55 or sfa. I'm intrigued too. What happened? Title: Re: TPTK Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 20, 2006, 02:25:14 AM Byron raises in 4th position.
I don't want to completely discount A7 or A5 though, but for AQ or lower I think he would raise more to better define his position, a minimum raise does not gain you info here. This makes it more scary to me. (Now I know everyone is going to min-raise me in the Blonde Tourney tomorrow....) :D Title: Re: TPTK Post by: The Baron on March 20, 2006, 02:27:35 AM Byron raises in 4th position. Yup my bad. A7 and A5 should be considered. He has the stack to see the odd flop. Title: Re: TPTK Post by: bundle on March 20, 2006, 02:39:45 AM I think he is a non believer.
I don't see he would raise you here with 77 or 55...surely he would keep calling your bets and raise later with these hands I have hit my flop so it all goes in here. if he wants to call for half his stack..... so be it... Title: Re: TPTK Post by: The Baron on March 20, 2006, 02:42:59 AM I think he is a non believer. I don't see he would raise you here with 77 or 55...surely he would keep calling your bets and raise later with these hands I have hit my flop so it all goes in here. if he wants to call for half his stack..... so be it... Argh! Good post! Ok I'm lost, my usual theory "is if in doubt lump it in"! (and pray!) Title: Re: TPTK Post by: byronkincaid on March 20, 2006, 10:26:14 AM Yeah well I thought he was trying to bully me as he had reraised a few times before so I thought I'd show him by going all in. Unfortunately I didn't scare him off his set of 5's.
thx 4 the replies Title: Re: TPTK Post by: bundle on March 20, 2006, 10:39:59 AM Just goes to show, I know nothing!
Title: Re: TPTK Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 20, 2006, 01:02:48 PM I think the minimum raise means your beat.. probably behind to a set of 5s is my guess. :dontask:
Title: Re: TPTK Post by: 12barblues on March 21, 2006, 06:00:10 PM I would most assuredly have gone broke here too. You have a premium hand pre-flop and hit the flop. What more can you want? If he has a set, he wins the lot. In addition, if you lay this down you will never be able to bet a flop on later hands with less than a set as they know they can take the pot away from you cheaply.
The answer would be very different in a deep stack cash game.....but it isn't! |