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Seeing as blonde/blondites seem to be on a crusade (which i fully support) to increase play, get better playing conditions, more organisation, standard rules etc.

Why is it that in blonde pokers very own FREEZEOUT comp did this happen......





Those who live in glass houses.....

A lot of players didn't turn up for flight two.

To keep the numbers even, it was decided that many players who were eliminated in flight one were allowed to play again in flight two.

The thought being as they didn't know they could do this until the end of the flight, no unfair advantage would be gained.

The alternative would have been a flight two with half the numbers of flight one.

Glad it wasn't my call.

Flushy, how can you compare standards of a £1500 ranking tournament to a Blonde Tournament???
Why bother  ;ifm;

I have read so many bad things about nottingham cardroom rules here. However none so bad as allowing players to rebuy in a freezeout.

I'm more concerned that they let girlies play in the heads-up comp.

Surely this is wrong, the rest of us need a chance.  :D

Nice try, lol.

However i want to have a serious debate on this, evreyone i spoke to thought that it was a joke to have this rebuy option. The blondebash is all about good fun, but also its about being able to play a decent comp with good players for little money, and that is not what happened.

As for saying they didnt know and so didnt get an advantage, well thats just not true. I was dealing a table at the time and 3 players on my table upon hearing the news moved all in on the last 3 hands so as to either double or buy back in.

first i heard it was being disccussed in the break and therefore flight 1 should of been over

i think the number of no shows for the 2nd flight was disapointing and could not of been foreseen and this was the opnly viable option

Letting them know at this stage was probably a bad plan, kinda blows my point out of the water.

I'm sure lessons have been learned though.

That's the fundamental difference between this comp and one run at Notts Gala. Tikay and co. are willing to listen to feedback and learn from mistakes.

Well, I have to stick my hand up here as I made the final decision.

The first I knew about it was in the break between the two flights, so anyone in the first flight pushing on the last three hands was doing so before it had been decided ( perhaps it was at the "rumoured" stage).

Secondly we had over 60 runners in flight One and nearly 30 no shows for Flight two.

With the accent on fun and socialising I decided it would be ok. With hindsight, I rather regret this.  

The decision was made in the break so as far as I was concerned no one playing in flight one had an unfair advantage.

Another unfortunate thing was that several people indicated to me that had they known they would have chosen to play flight one rather than wait for flight two, so as to get two bites at the cherry. To these people I apologise. (p.s I am amongst these people myself...I dealt and tournament directed flight One rather than play)

If I had it all over again, I think I would say no.

being new to LIVE poker and being lucky enough to have a few chips left at the end of the flight I really didn't know any better and wasn't taking things too seriously.  I thought the BB was mostly a social occasion and left it at that.  HOWEVER if it had not been the BB I feel it would have caused a riot..  There were Two people at my table who were knocked out and left the premises who would have bought in again had they been told.  by the time they were phoned to tell about the rebuy they were miles away and on the way home.VERY unfair indeed..Also a LOT of players played very tight to ensure they got to the final flight and it ended up they got put out in the final flight by people who should not have been there..  would be interesting to know if any of the final table had been knocked out in flight one..  My table was informed about the rebuy just as the last handof the flight was being dealt.  although I dont have any experience of Live poker I would imagine that if it had been in any competition other than the BB it would have caused mayhem.. Was still a great night and in truth I am glad that I didn't know any better but if I had learned after I arrived home that I could have a chance at a rebuy but wasn't informed I would be a very unhappy bunny indeed.  

i missed out on flight one so that i could fix my puncture of course if i had known about the 2 bites of cherry i would have prefered to goto the lapdancers in the afternoon and fixed the puncture after i had busted out

AFAIK 2 players in the final table played both flights.

This is irrelevant though.

Cybertim

It would have been unthinkable for it to have happened in anything other than a social tournament with the accent on fun first.

Secondly, some of the reasons you quote are why it was a mistake

Thirdly, it wasn't finally decided until the break

The decision was made in the break so as far as I was concerned no one playing in flight one had an unfair advantage.


The decision wasn't announced in the Break...  Tikay informed my table before the break and a few people said that the decision was nonsense but they would run with it..  admittedly it was JUST before the break though...   I suppose its easy with hindsight though and its all good experience for the next one..  

It won't happen again.

The first player out of the comp came 4th.

I agree it was a fun event so i didnt mind, however had this been a normal comp i would have been unregistering from flight 2 and going home.

The players on the table i was dealing deffo knew before the end, DC himself came and told them, as he did the surrounding tables.

....anyway.....

Kudos too Tighty, glad it wont happen again! And cheers for the rest of the comp which was perfect (except my 65 failing to beat JJ)

Tikay told my table with 2 hands remaining in the flight.

I said will that not affect the play of these last hands.

He said Yes.

My tight weak-ass still folded  :D

Tighty, do you not think moving the BB was a mistake, surely it should have been the shortstack....

We all had some fun, twas a good comp at the end of the day.

The winner didn't play both flights, let's not sully 10JQKA's victory.

Didn't spoil things in the least for me and the rebuys as far as I am concerned were in the spirit of the occasion and I dont have the least problem with it..  I do feel for the people who were perhaps taking it a bit more seriously and those who went home without the option of a rebuy but I know the decision was made in the right spirit and think it probably made it a bit more fun for a lot more people..  Its still hats off to the guys who put in the effort as far as I am concerned

It should always be the shortstack!

"SEAT - OF - DEATH!

SEAT - OF - DEATH!"

a) Moving the shortstack would have involved me moving every five minutes. Not acceptable.

b) It appears I was consulted after some of you at the tables. Do you reckon Thomas Kremser gets told that late??!??!  :D  

PMSL   lol  was a fun table     so was the Hamilton one...   that poor guy next to me didn't know where to look when you put your shades on but then looked over the top of them     hehehe  his face was a picture

i over heard tighty being asked if it was possible

at the time tighty made the desicion all tables were on a break

so anyone going all in before hand risked tighty saying no

Now that would have been fun  :D

It was the man on the grassy knoll.

thx 5 Nil

what a good thread...  its a credit to this forum and its users that this topic can be discussed in a rational thought out well behaved way without it getting out of hand and people trying to cause trouble,,

so in the true spirit of friendship....  can I get my money back?   0:-)

more too the point can i get my 16 hours back i still dont know where the day went if flew past

PS do i get the prize for last to leave glasgow and last to get home?

left 10pm monday evening
got home 1:30 am after a blizzard from aviemore to home along a highland B road

seeing as i was one of the few(well many) who played the first flight and was allowed back in i feel i should comment.

first off, the players who played the 2nd flight would know that there would be a few big stacks from the first one that would be in the final, having people who donked out the first fight(me included) playing at the tables for 2nd one shouldnt be a big problem, those who busted out had the same starting chips as those who started the 2nd flight. is there an advantage? as tank said i dont think so aslong as it wasnt disclosed before the first flight ended, i myself didnt realise until the 2nd flight was about to start.

i understand the why people are abit miffed by it all , at the end of the day tho what real advantage was gained by me ( us) starting afresh? players from flight 2 had a bigger prize pool to win with the same starting chips as i had , remember this isnt an EPT event , just relised what i said there :D the advantage? we had 2 chances opposed to 1! but we didnt know that at the time! im talkin bollocks now

canny be well i dunno......

atleast i know what am talkin about :D disreguard last post , some of it  ight make abit of sence ..maybe

I actually feel a bigger advantage went to a few of the players who didn't rebuy.
The rebuy option was announced to the tables a few minutes before the end of flight 1, whether or not it had actually been 100% agreed upon is irrelevant, it was announced to us as a fact.
Prior to this announcement the tables were winding down ready for the break and barring 2 monster hands running into each other there was unlikely to be too much chip movement.
Then came the announcement and we suddenly had 2 or 3 hands of shortstack all in plays. Everyone knew that these were moves with any 2 cards so calls were made, chips started to fly into the middle and a few lucky players ended up turning average stacks into large stacks in the last couple of minutes leaving a lot more people who had played good poker for the last 3 hours wondering what the hell had just happened.
IMO the problem is not so much with the decision (although I don't like it I fully understand why it was taken) but with the timing of its announcement. Had this been left until the break we would not have had this frantic few minutes, we would have had chip counts that reflected the play during flight 1 and we would not have had a few artificially large stacke that changed the whole dynamic of the tournament from that point onward.

great point Gatso but ALL the tables were told at different times.. my table was told after the hole cards were dealt on the LAST hand.  other tables downstairs had been having an "all in fest" for three or four hands and people did treble and quadruple up... now THAT sure altered the dynamics of the game...  I  still think however that allowing the rebuys did make it a lot more fun for a lot more people and that having fun was primarily what the BB is about....   Might be a great idea to have a big venue for the future BB,s though and although cincins is a FANTASTIC place it was a bit too small for the amount of people that were there and there was NO spare tables for sit and goes and people from the first flight had nothing to do for 3 or 4 hours which was a pain in the backside.. Hamilton comp was great as there was plenty of spare tables and anyone wanting to socialise or play a sit and go could do it no problem... Cincins is a fabulous place  and although I have almost no experience in Live poker I get the feeling it would be hard to beat..   whens BB3?  <grin>

"Hell is paved with good intentions, not with bad ones. All men mean well."

George Bernard Shaw

never tie your shoelace in a revolving door

anon

i think bb3 will be sometime after the WSOP finishes and everyone gets home and gets a chance to catch up with reality

Having read this thread I would like to add my two cents.

I played the first flight and it was fantastic poker. It was intense as everyone wanted to win, but it was social with people congratulating others on pots won much more then an average tourney. A great poker atmosphere.

I began with 6000 chips (as did everyone) and with about 10 minutes left in the flight I was sitting on 11,000. I was extremely happy as I was card dead the entire time (except for 1 hand, sorry LondonPokerGirl) and I felt I had a great chance to do well. Then with about four or five hands remaining, our table was told that people could rebuy into the second flight. What ensued was 4 consecutive hands of shortstacks (4000-8000 chips) going all in, and were eliminated on hands such as 6 2 suited. I do not fault the players for going all in as they saw what was happening and did what they could to win. I would have done the same. I do not blame the tournament organizers either, as they saw a problem and did the best they could to repair that problem.

However, having played for so long in an intense poker environment where chips were so valuable, seeing them played with so carelessly was a bit disheartening. Again, I do not blame the players, nor the organizers. I just wish the decision to allow rebuys into the second flight had not been made until after the flight had finished. Thereby ensuring that all players who played the second flight were there because of being eliminated by other players, not being eliminated by them personally and their own careless play the last few hands.

I still had a great time though!! :D

yes, my early thoughts are September

When our table was told I was on the Big Blind and Bradley Strider was UTG, in the small blind was RosyITB who told me he had a monster.  I looked down to find pocket 5's and after we where told about the rebuy Bradley had moved all in UTG, he was called by RosyITB I reckon it was about 2600 for me to call but I didn't want to really put my stack at risk having played well for almost 3 hrs to get myself up to just short of 20k.  

Anyway I folded my pocket 5's and had it not been for this announcement I would probably have been in the pot as I reckon RosyITB would have tried to keep me in the pot by flat calling or making a small bet as he had KK.  What peeved me off though was there was a 5 on the flop and I felt I missed the chance to play the hand because of the announcement.  

Regardless though, I don't think there was any advantage to players who played bought back in to the second flight and it made for great poker as there where plenty of chips to be had when the flights emalgamated!

I'd just like to point out one fact that was ignored so far: Cambo and me, being the first ones out in flight one immediately made our way to the bar. Well done to Cambo for being able to make a final table after drinking for a couple of hours, but overall most of the people who bought back in were just added value to the prizepool ...

On a serious note: I agree, it was a little dodgy, but then it was a social event, rather than anything to be taken seriously ... if something like that will happen to me in the WSOP (yeah, right ...) later on this year, I'll join the revolution..

I was dealing that table, it was about 3 who got knocked out in those last few hands wasn't it bandit?

I don't like the term "dodgy" ....mistake maybe, incorrect maybe..but we had the best intentions

That you did. Had it not been announced before the end it would have been less of an issue. I know that was not you as you only said yes in the break!!

I understand the fun element, its why i wish BB was a rebuy!

Sigh.......

I can barely believe I am reading this.

Here's the scenario.

Several guys approach me 5 or 10 mins before the end of Flight One, they say a lot of guys have asked if Flight One bustees can rebuy in for Flight Two. I duck it, & pass them to Dave, who promptly passes it back to me. I duck it again, & shove it Tighty's way, & we umm & arr between us, & eventually, in the spirit of bB, we say "yeah, let's do it".

This is about 5 minutes before the end of Flight One. I immediately go round ALL the tables, 1 at a time (sorry, I'm not omnipresent) & inform them. There are a few moans  groans & grumbles, but by now, I'm "pot-committed" - I can't change my mind yet again!

So we do it. The decision was made in the spirit of a blonde Bash, where the idea is more to have fun than be all serious werious. And it's a bit tough on Tighty, who worked his socks off (as Flushy did with the Heads-Up) to smear him at this stage, imo.

But them'e the facts, & them's the breaks.

With hindsight, I coulda handled it different, better, but then again, it's easy-peasy to say that now. I made a decision & I am quite happy to live with it.

blonde Bash's will always be held in the spirit of fun. That's the whole idea! But it' the old maxim, "you can please some of the peeps, some of the time....."

Tikay, I think you've read something into this thread that just isn't there, noone has smeared tighty, in fact at no point has any individual been singled out for any criticism.
Everyone understands exactly why the decision was made, noone is  trying to cause any trouble. We're merely discussing what happened in a very reasonable way.
You know how unpopular the decision was at the time as I heard several people (including myself) tell you but nobody kicked up a fuss, we all accepted it and got on with enjoying the occasion. I think this speaks volumes for those in attendance.

I think cyber sums it up very well

I thought we were smearing Tikay????

Tighty's bigger than me, wouldn't dream of smearing him  :D

smear Tikay in what?  At his age is that not dangerous?

I'm more than happy to have the debate aired gatso, but until I posted, nobody had reported the actual facts correctly.

And I do feel for Tighty - not an easy thing to do - because he feels responsible, when in fact I made the final decision. Tighty rung me about this an hour ago, & he only does that on rare occasions, so I just felt I needed to put the facts on record, & make sure it was known that I made the final decision.

I knew pretty much straight away I'd boobed, but as I said, I could not change my mind yet again. And lets not forget, whilst many were opposed to it, many agreed with it.

So it's back to "you can please some of the people some of the time....."

ofcourse tikay, it was a thread i wanted to start earlier, but didnt as blonde bash was such great fun i didnt want to get it in when all the posts about the weekend were going on. I was more intrestead in the opinions of other people about this, and also the reasoning behind it, and hopefully to make sure it wont happen again!

Nothing was ever said badly about Tighty, infact i think if we just left him to do the job then they would run even better! (here i go stirring again)

Well now I've explained the reasoning behind it.

guys I still count myself as newish on here so heres my perspective on it

Tightends  involveement with the Blonde Bash has heightened his reputation as both a tournament director and a man who can help advise people to make difficult decisions. His reputation on Blonde has risen to a new and even more respected level and his concerns over the issues contained in this thread only enhances the respect and admiration that I have already seen afforded to him from the people on this forum.. Although I am new to Live poker and still fairly new to Blonde it is plain to see that Tightend is incredibly popular and that AFTER BB2 he has become even more so. He is also big enough (and certainly ugly enough)   8) to post that one or two contentious decisions were made and his attitude and honesty has only enhanced his reputation even more.. I was lucky enough to have Tightend dealing my table in Hamilton and learned more about table manners and etiquette in ten minutes that i did in six hours in cincins.. Anyway thats my tuppence worth and perhaps being slightly more of an outsider than most folk I reckon I might have a clearer view..perhaps not... 

I think we can all agree that regardless of whether it was a good decision or a bad one, it was done with the best of intentions.

A lesson has been learned, and I'd suggest there's not much more worth saying on the subject.

Well played to the final tablers who got to split an additional £30 of my dead money  ;fish;

Well said Div.

This is my last word on this one for £30 and getting the chance to play some poker withs ome excptional players for that ammount it could have been bingo and I wouldn't have gave a toss.

Within the space of 10 minutes I was involved in a hand with TK - a guy I had seen  on the telly, then moved my Mr Tight End to a table and was slotted it between Tony Chessa and Simon Trumper and to my left again was Brian wilson!! - Whow as lucky to beat me in a pot  :D

Itw as great fun and this is not the tournament IMO for correcting all the wrongs in poker! 

Blonde BAsh was about having fun and getting to meet folk from this forum.

Perhaps we could arrange a more formal Blonde event in future which would trully illustrate how a tourney should be run!!!!!!

get a room :D

no thanks

but thanks for the kind words CyberTim. Chq in the post

Oii just cos you play against me regularly dont mean you can leave me out of your starstruck list, I taking the huff now!!!  Need I remind you who tobered the rookie, and who sent cupcake packing??

There speaks a man who understands EXACTLY what blonde Bash is about!

I think everything would have been fine if all those who rebought in the 2nd flight were forced to wear stickers on their head saying 'I'VE ALREADY SPUNKED £30 ON THE FIRST FLIGHT LIKE THE BIG OLD MUPPET I AM'.

This should be implemented for any further ideas of this type.

Oh I think I was getting you mixed up with someone else?   your not a girl?    8)

I didn't mean to imply anything negative about your decision, it was more dodgy as in questionable according to fairness,
not questionable in positive/negative intention. I have absolutely no doubt that you only had the best intentions when
you made that decision, and if I came across indicating otherwise, I apologise.

Ohhh aye and how could I forget Billy Newmanseye!!

He is cracking player best I have ever played against :D

Ok I forgive you, ya crawler.

So obviously you've never played against a plant pot.  :D

Contender for Post Of The Week!

The number of times I've had to spank the tank on the felt, ... well i have lost count!

Now now, these guys require no encouragement from the pensioners.

I did change my nametag to ZeeJustin

Is that a euphemism?

I feel ill!

PMSL

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

I have to agree   rotflmfao

My only problem was trying to lose 10k in 3 hands .. i figured it wasn't possible and gave up..


Seriously though there was nothing wrong with the decision everyone was there to have fun.. I think I moaned at the time though :)