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Title: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: neeko on March 25, 2006, 11:53:16 AM In the Deep Stacks Tourney - 217 players - 37 left - pay 27.
Blinds 200/400 I have been on the table for 5 hands so know nothing about the players. I was about 10th with loads of play left in the tourney meaning i did not need to take risks. PokerStars Game #4406180140: Tournament #21579344, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/03/25 - 06:41:58 (ET) Table '21579344 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: indycoltz32 (18115 in chips) Seat 3: Schmitter (3914 in chips) Seat 4: Neeko7 (30730 in chips) Seat 5: EUUG (31104 in chips) Seat 6: haus&kane (33247 in chips) Seat 7: herbeees (104963 in chips) Seat 9: preyformojo (59195 in chips) indycoltz32: posts the ante 25 Schmitter: posts the ante 25 Neeko7: posts the ante 25 EUUG: posts the ante 25 haus&kane: posts the ante 25 herbeees: posts the ante 25 preyformojo: posts the ante 25 EUUG: posts small blind 200 haus&kane: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Neeko7 [ Ahrt Ad] herbeees: folds preyformojo: folds indycoltz32: folds Schmitter: raises 3489 to 3889 and is all-in Neeko7: calls 3889 EUUG: calls 3689 haus&kane: calls 3489 *** FLOP *** [7s 3s 9d] EUUG: bets 6000 haus&kane: raises 23333 to 29333 and is all-in Neeko7 has timed out Neeko7: folds Neeko7 is sitting out EUUG: calls 21190 and is all-in Neeko7 has returned *** TURN *** [7s 3s 9d] [8c] *** RIVER *** [7s 3s 9d 8c] [5s] *** SHOW DOWN *** EUUG: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings) haus&kane: shows [Th Td] (a pair of Tens) EUUG collected 54380 from side pot Schmitter: shows [Js Jc] (a pair of Jacks) EUUG collected 15731 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 70111 Main pot 15731. Side pot 54380. | Rake 0 Board [7s 3s 9d 8c 5s] Seat 1: indycoltz32 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Schmitter showed [Js Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks Seat 4: Neeko7 (button) folded on the Flop Seat 5: EUUG (small blind) showed [Ks Kd] and won (70111) with a pair of Kings Seat 6: haus&kane (big blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with a pair of Tens Seat 7: herbeees folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: preyformojo folded before Flop (didn't bet) I called (pre flop) as i had position and wanted one more played in the pot. it didnt go as planned. I did time out but was going to fold. Should I have called? Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: Nem on March 25, 2006, 11:56:23 AM Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: TightEnd on March 25, 2006, 12:03:14 PM what he said.
And before I looked at what they had! Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: AdamM on March 25, 2006, 01:01:01 PM i personally push preflop. the KK definitely comes in too, the 10,10 should pass but you never know. if you call pre flop you're straight in on that flop and if you've been done by 7,7 or 9,9 it's the risk you've chosen to take by only calling preflop
bad fold i think mate Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: bundle on March 25, 2006, 01:16:03 PM I agree with all in pre flop, never like to play aces with more than one other in the pot.
But then as the flop comes out, i think the fold is ok, you could be up against a set and a straight or flush draw, your only 4k invested from a 30k stack. no need to go out here, ok you would have one, but the other hands set/draw/ are very possible. so not a bad fold in my book. Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: WellChief on March 25, 2006, 03:57:50 PM No point in pushing preflop, you should be comfortable playing a side pot with aces. Also the blinds were unlikely to call its just a surprise that the small blind didn't reraise with his KK. I would have called with AA after the flop betting though.
Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: Royal Flush on March 25, 2006, 08:04:39 PM I call, but i dont re-raise AA.
You have 31k in chips, why on earth would you want to isolate all your action to pick up 4k!!!! Get the suckers in when you have the nuts, dont play this passive defensive obsessed with getting it in when you are ahead, if you stack of to a set post flop then so be it. Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: ezryder on March 27, 2006, 12:25:15 PM I'd reraise the min amnount here, this way;
you look weaker ( I don't think youd call with AK) KK still plays smaller pockets may reraise You are more likely to get more chips on a rag flop. Given the preflop play given I'd still call though, there are too many overpairs available. Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: AdamM on March 27, 2006, 12:35:28 PM welcome aboard ;welcome;
Title: Re: Good Fold or Bad fold Post by: Highstack on March 27, 2006, 04:19:27 PM I don't mind the AA preflop limp, but I am more amazed that the kings didn't put some kind of a preflop reraise in with those in the pot before him. This would have given you a free chance to rereraise with added value in the pot. With the extra there I would then be all in preflop on AA for a healthy less risk chip increase.
With the bet and a raise in front of you on the flop, it is a difficult call but I think you should have made it. The only hand you are behind to at this stage is a set and I don't think a set raises all in here. The first bettor on the round into a dry pot is your concern, but I would be calling. |