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Title: Omaha problems on the river Post by: chrisbruce on March 28, 2006, 04:00:43 PM I have started to play a lot of cash Omaha and despite some swings remain around breakeven for the last 6 weeks. I would like some thoughts on the following hands. In each case I am tring to slow play the nuts to get paid and losing to horrible river cards. These 2 hands occued on the same table within 20 mins.
Hand 1 : out of position I flop the full house, check the flop, do a milking reraise on the turn (how he can call I have no idea) and move all in on the river. Hand 2 : Out of position I flop the up/ down str8 and the nut flush draw. I call the flop bet as I have enough outs. I hit nut str8 on turn and still have nut flush draw but check to induce a bet. Both players all in and I am rivered to a bigger str8. The actual hands are posted below thoughts please..... -----HAND 4------ Game #1825304224: Omaha PL (US$10/US$20) - 2006/03/28 - 15:08:11 (GMT) Table "Vardo" Seat 5 is the button. Seat 1: Gregoshea (US$952.50 in chips) Seat 4: Hitandrun (US$2103.48 in chips) Seat 5: moody (US$1027 in chips) Seat 6: connected (US$930 in chips) Seat 10: 1st. sits out connected: posts small blind US$10 Gregoshea sits out Hitandrun: posts big blind US$20 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Hitandrun [8d 4d 6h 5c] moody: raises to US$70 connected: folds Hitandrun: calls US$50 ----- FLOP ----- [4h 6s 4s] Gregoshea sits back Hitandrun: checks moody: checks ----- TURN ----- [4h 6s 4s][Js] Hitandrun: checks moody: bets US$150 Hitandrun: raises to US$300 moody: calls US$150 ----- RIVER ----- [4h 6s 4s Js][7h] Hitandrun: bets US$750 moody: is all-in US$657 Returned uncalled bets US$93 to Hitandrun ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Hitandrun: shows [8d 4d 6h 5c] (A Full House, Fours full of Sixes) moody: shows [8s 6c 7d 7s] (A Full House, Sevens full of Fours) moody collects US$2061 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot US$2064 Main pot US$2061 Rake US$3 Board [4h 6s 4s Js 7h] Seat 4: Hitandrun (big blind) showed [8d 4d 6h 5c] and lost Seat 5: moody (button) showed [8s 6c 7d 7s] and won (US$2061) with A Full House, Sevens full of Fours Seat 6: connected (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) ------HAND 25------ Game #1825425214: Omaha PL (US$10/US$20) - 2006/03/28 - 15:28:13 (GMT) Table "Vardo" Seat 3 is the button. Seat 1: Gregoshea (US$1698.50 in chips) Seat 3: ImTheBest (US$2107 in chips) Seat 4: Hitandrun (US$1192.48 in chips) Seat 5: moody (US$2013 in chips) Seat 6: connected (US$1935 in chips) Hitandrun: posts small blind US$10 moody: posts big blind US$20 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Hitandrun [4h Ad 6s 5d] connected: raises to US$70 Gregoshea: calls US$70 ImTheBest: calls US$70 Hitandrun: calls US$60 moody: folds ----- FLOP ----- [6d 9s 2d] Hitandrun: checks connected: checks Gregoshea: bets US$300 ImTheBest: folds Hitandrun: calls US$300 connected: folds ----- TURN ----- [6d 9s 2d][3c] Hitandrun: checks Gregoshea: bets US$900 Hitandrun: is all-in US$822.48 Returned uncalled bets US$77.52 to Gregoshea ----- RIVER ----- [6d 9s 2d 3c][Tc] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Gregoshea: shows [9d 7d 8h Qc] (A Straight, Ten high) Hitandrun: shows [4h Ad 6s 5d] (A Straight, Six high) Gregoshea collects US$2541.96 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot US$2544.96 Main pot US$2541.96 Rake US$3 Board [6d 9s 2d 3c Tc] Seat 1: Gregoshea showed [9d 7d 8h Qc] and won (US$2541.96) with A Straight, Ten high Seat 3: ImTheBest (button) folded on the Flop Seat 4: Hitandrun (small blind) showed [4h Ad 6s 5d] and lost Seat 5: moody (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: connected folded on the Flop Title: Re: Omaha problems on the river Post by: Milkybarkid on March 28, 2006, 04:19:35 PM I don't think you did too much wrong.... you just got unlucky.
If i checked the flop in the first one, i would reraise more on the turn to see where i am. The second one you lose however you play it. I know Gregoshea and he is never passing that draw. I'm bennyboi on Betfair btw... we have played together a bit! Title: Re: Omaha problems on the river Post by: chrisbruce on March 28, 2006, 04:29:15 PM Thanks for that Ben.
Having given it some more thought I perhaps tried to over milk the full house and the hand was not as strong as I played it. Although what he thought he could beat when he called on the turn!!!!!! in the 2nd hand I think I played it very well and was unlucky. I have a lot of respect for Greg as a player. Title: Re: Omaha problems on the river Post by: Red Razor on March 31, 2006, 05:30:04 PM Those are a little looser starting hands than I would start with, but once you flop such power you have to go with it. If you pretend to be weak, you cannot be so frusterated when the other players actually buy into your act and think you are week. Slow playing in Omaha is very risky for the exact reasons you have shown. Some players will not fold even when drawing to less than the nuts. Not being able to lay down a low full house, set or sucker straight is a bad habit most of us probably still have from NLHE. With all the possibilities and players that see flops in Omaha, you may be better off playing tighter and come out blazing when you flop a monster. You don't have to mix up your game as much as in NLHE, because others will chase regardless. It is more about reading the board than the player most of the time.
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