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Title: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 03, 2006, 11:34:26 PM
Was FIRST out tonight in the £200 FO at Luton. Thought l would be embarressed but l wasn't, which tells me l've come a long way in a short period as, three months ago l would have been kicking myself and would not even have wished other players at the table good luck on my exit.

Second hand l get AK for the second time in a row. I took the previous hand down easy with a 200 raise. Anyway player on the button re-raises 500, nobody else called the 50 big blind so l push all in thinking there couldn't have been many Aces or Kings, l might have been wrong. After a 3 min dwell he calls with QQ , the rest is history.

RIGHT or WRONG I WOULD DO THE SAME AGAIN. ( Get the Chips IN )

Roll On the £500 tomorrow night.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Sunday8pm on April 03, 2006, 11:42:18 PM
obviously would need a lot more info before you could make a decision on this one...

key factors are blind structure/starting chips and players at the table..

Obviously your not a bad poker player, but you must know AK is no pair pre flop and 2nd hand of a reasonably priced tournament i wouldn't be looking to get my chips in unless i had a strong read that my opponent was holding a weaker ace or a medium pocket pair, which he/she could fold...

i would say NAY on this one, purely on the basis that its highly likely he/she is raising you with AA or KK...


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: byronkincaid on April 03, 2006, 11:44:35 PM
AYE


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Ironside on April 03, 2006, 11:47:24 PM
wrong
although i dont mind going out early doors i dont thinking pushing all in so early in a comp preflop is a long term winning stragery

calling his raise and folding if you missed would of been a better play

AK is a great drawing hand but against a pp its only 50/50 and with alot of play in the comp there is no point going broke on a 50/50

if you felt the player was of good enough quailty to fold a hand like queens or jacks here then the +ev of this move would be in your favour but there are too many people out there that will call you down with alot weeker pairs than queens


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 03, 2006, 11:51:40 PM
Good Point Sunday mate but lve started taking more chances early on to try and get a moderate stack and also let the table know lm not there to make up the numbers.  IF is a massive word in this game lol. Thanks bud.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: byronkincaid on April 03, 2006, 11:55:59 PM



                                                                                       
AYE


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 03, 2006, 11:59:22 PM
5 Nil, very good post and good analayis. l played the above hand exactly as u said last week against Phil Peters but on the rag flop he raised in first position, l folded and he showed AK. It cost me a massive pot....


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Sunday8pm on April 04, 2006, 12:04:26 AM
Well i reckon Byron is keen!!

your right, you do have to build your stacks early but not necessarily in such a rash manner.

while the blinds are cheap, limp many hands and try and take a few pots down, loosen your image up a bit and then get your bigger hands paid off....

well thats the script anyway mate!


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: M3boy on April 04, 2006, 12:07:32 AM
Well if you had a similar table as i did, then i think u were right.

On my table was Dave "The Gambler" and Joe Grech (spelt wrong probably - appologies)

It was MAD to say the least. Loosing a pot with KK to J4 (2 pair on the river).

Anyone who knows Dave, knows the way he plays - any two cards VERY aggressively. I decided I would play the same - either I was getting chips early, or I was going home - needless to say, I went home early!!! lol


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 04, 2006, 12:15:04 AM
Losing like that would have been a killer but it happens mate....Unlucky Bud.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: bolt pp on April 04, 2006, 12:32:10 AM
you were wrong.

you should have taken your entry fee to the nearest "entertainment bar"(brothel)

whats wrong with you?


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: M3boy on April 04, 2006, 12:33:43 AM
Losing like that would have been a killer but it happens mate....Unlucky Bud.

No, that hand damaged me down to just under 3000 very early on - it was playing Dave at his own game that put me out lol


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 04, 2006, 12:34:33 AM
lol


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Royal Flush on April 04, 2006, 01:14:09 AM
NEY.

And not just because i am a horse


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: portfolio on April 04, 2006, 02:14:15 AM
nay.
and i hate agreeing with flushy28.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Wardonkey on April 04, 2006, 02:24:04 AM
Nay for me too...


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: AdamM on April 04, 2006, 10:12:08 AM
definite ney, unless you're in a £10 rebuy.

call the reraise, have a stab at the pot post flop if you like then pass to his inevitable reraise. how many chips you starting with here?


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: I KNOW IT on April 04, 2006, 10:31:02 AM
Was FIRST out tonight in the £200 FO at Luton. Thought l would be embarressed but l wasn't, which tells me l've come a long way in a short period as, three months ago l would have been kicking myself and would not even have wished other players at the table good luck on my exit.


With out commenting on the hand I think the problem starts in the 1st paragraph.
Its called complacency and " theres always tomorrow".
Drop that thought process or you will suffer in the long run


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 04, 2006, 10:41:22 AM
Your right I KNOW IT and l think this breeds from my internet play where some days l play 8 x £500 stt and multiple £300, £200 and £120 stts. I do get complacent but l do want to win. There is a buzz about winninng a live tournament. I've got to get a grip.

P.S Thanks for the analysis and comments lads. Very much apprieciated.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Junior Senior on April 04, 2006, 10:48:33 AM
gotta say naye mr slick sir. - tread more carefully in future especially when we are on the same table - you get nothing out of a rock like me you know!!.   However it was a total power play that deserves credit and I am actually surprised the guy with QQ called. - alot of players here would have folded this early in a tournament and waited for a better spot - in reality you making this move with AK means you would only normally be called by something that is killing you statistically (i.e AA or KK)


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: byronkincaid on April 04, 2006, 11:57:08 AM
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we would take any edge greater than 48.63 percent. Yes, that’s right. I just made the argument that very good players should actually take slightly negative EV situations early in a tournament

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=15093&m_id=65576 (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=15093&m_id=65576)

These arguements were done to death about 2 years ago on 2+2. Matt Matros, Eric Lindgren, Gavin Smith... Leaders of da New Skool baybee :D


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Junior Senior on April 04, 2006, 01:59:55 PM
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we would take any edge greater than 48.63 percent. Yes, that’s right. I just made the argument that very good players should actually take slightly negative EV situations early in a tournament

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=15093&m_id=65576 (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/?a_id=15093&m_id=65576)

These arguements were done to death about 2 years ago on 2+2. Matt Matros, Eric Lindgren, Gavin Smith... Leaders of da New Skool baybee :D
extremely interesting article and well written / xplained.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Slick Kid on April 04, 2006, 05:13:24 PM
Thanks for all the comments lads and Junior when are you coming out to play. Havent seen u in a card room for a while. That ARTICLE is fantastic Byron and l draw everybodys attention to ONE line...........IF YOUR NOT WILLING TO RISK YOUR WHOLE TOURNAMENT IN ONE 50/50 HAND YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THE TOURNAMENT.


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: RED-DOG on April 04, 2006, 05:37:55 PM
Aye!

I was on the table, Slick had just taken the first pot with a good raise

He raises again on the very next hand and is re-raised, so he sets the re raiser all in

OMHO he is setting his stall out with this move, if the guy folds, Slick has established himself as table captain, and its very difficult for this guy to call without kings or aces, so Slick has a good chance to win the pot right there

If the guy calls with anything less, he's made a bad call, He can only really expect to be 50/50 at best

Slick got his chips in first and he let everyone know he wasn't there to be messed with

Why worry about risking all your chips early, I guarentee you will be glad to do it with that hand at some stage in the comp, why not do it when it offers you a chance to double up and dominate



Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Royal Flush on April 05, 2006, 03:04:44 AM
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Calling here doesn’t negate our skill over the field. Calling here is our skill over the field.

Best way i have seen that described!


Title: Re: Was I right or wrong.................Please say AYE or NEY
Post by: Junior Senior on April 05, 2006, 08:01:20 AM
Thanks for all the comments lads and Junior when are you coming out to play. Havent seen u in a card room for a while. That ARTICLE is fantastic Byron and l draw everybodys attention to ONE line...........IF YOUR NOT WILLING TO RISK YOUR WHOLE TOURNAMENT IN ONE 50/50 HAND YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THE TOURNAMENT.

maybe tomorrow slick - but been busy last few weeks. - anyway i'm not coming out the house until your form has subsided somewhat  :D :D