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I don't usually play KK this way, so thought I'd be safe enough to post this.

Feel free to slate my play.

Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/04/06 - 22:51:56 (ET)
Table '22643488 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: tigmong (1445 in chips)
Seat 3: dnKid (1655 in chips)
Seat 4: justwinbaby8 (1405 in chips)
Seat 5: Stewnod (1570 in chips)
Seat 6: pocholoallin (2525 in chips)
Seat 7: rexinator (1800 in chips)
Seat 8: schafs 99 (1685 in chips)
Seat 9: pimpspeed007 (1415 in chips)
pimpspeed007: posts small blind 25
tigmong: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tigmong [Kd Kh]
dnKid: raises 100 to 150
justwinbaby8: folds
Stewnod: folds
pocholoallin: raises 100 to 250
rexinator: folds
schafs 99: folds
pimpspeed007: folds
tigmong: calls 200
dnKid: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [6c 4s 5h]
tigmong: bets 350
dnKid: calls 350
pocholoallin: folds
*** TURN *** [6c 4s 5h] [3s]
tigmong: checks
dnKid: bets 400


Having not re-raised pre-flop, bet too little on the flop and meekly checked the turn, what would you do now?

I'd seen enough of dnKid to know that he's a good player, fairly aggressive.

Certainly not a player I like to meet in the later stages.

I would fold.   There are 8 cards that could complete his straight.  He could have made trips, two pair. He may be on a flush draw. 

I am slow at working pot odds, so I am not basing it on that.  Give me the rest of the day to work that one out..lol

You are more experienced, so you probably have the better answer.  Did you pass?   

when he calls a 350 flop bet then bets out 400 after you check the turn, you'd agree this is often just a very plausable steal or bet with simply a pair on the board.

That bet would see you folding often so I doubt he hit that str8 so this says call.
However, when you play kings that slow you have to play it like top pair and be prepared to put it down to a bet on a scary board so this says fold :)

This is a yucky position to be in and this is why I never  ever slow play a big pair, the slowest I go is calling only when there is a healthy raise and the raiser is the type to make a continuation bet on the flop regardless of the card that come out.

Having said all that, you are vlearly a strong sit n go player and it would be a mistake for you to take advice on this, but I assume nothing I've said is a revelation to you :).

So, how did the hand play out?  you folded right?

I check raise all in.

Its a difficult one.  I dont put him on Aces because he didnt re-raise when it came back round to him pre flop.   Would he play 78s like this pre flop?  If so his play post flop is a big red flag.   He could just as easy have flopped a set and could now be scared of the run/flush draw and is after information, knowing you will have to fold or go all in at this stage.  Like I said, its difficult, even more so given your pre flop play ;)

Given the fact this is a Turbo STT I'd go all in, hoping he had an overpair.   I wouldnt be too surprised to see him turn over 78 or a set though. 

In a MTT I'd pass.  Maybe that shouldnt come into my thought process, but it does!

OK we'll give you a pass on the pre flop play where you seem especially keen on playing KK multiway

Why check on the turn unless you are looking to check raise?

I can't put the foe on AA after he's played it like that pre-flop (but then I wouldn't put you on KK either!!!) and think i'll take my chances here

His bet can be a steal as often as it is a made hand

For my part, I think you are way ahead

Lump it in.

I hardly ever slow play big pairs in multi-way pots in these things. This was me mixing it up.


As he's a solid player my thought process should have perhaps gone something like this.....

He wouldn't have raised UTG with 22-77 or low ass cards. He would have been likely to juice up the pot preflop with AA.

He likely has 88-QQ, lump it in.



Too busy folding on other tables to think clearly, I was concerned at his flat call on flop with 3rd player still to speak. That's why I check folded the turn.

Poor play on every street, but thats hindight for ya.

Think I'll stick to my weak-ass, super obvious game for now.  8)

The only hand i slow play is AA.

I've busted too many slow played KK's and QQ's to remember.

DC said the other night his object is always to pick up the pot uncontested and has no regrets if he only picks up the blinds with anything other than AA.

I think the fold is correct.

tank..........  nothing wrong with obvious if you still win :)

I'm not saying this applies to you for a second, but we all know that 'mixing it up' is a handy excuse sometimes for oopid play :)

Just like 'I was playing to win' is a good excuse when you bust out!

So true.  ::)

Why did you tangle with the chip leader with a marginal hand?

I was playing to win.  8)

lol

btw, I assume, me being in the UK, we play at different times, I do look for your name when the table comes up, not seen it yet

I'm in the UK too, just not during civilised hours.

Erm... what name do you go by on Stars?

clayftknight on Stars
clayft on theRivercard

No other sites are worthy of my money at the moment :)

What time do you normally play?

Midnight-Noon

Another good example of how not to play KK me thinks!! I guess being pretty shortstacked - as was I - he just wanted to get as many chips into the pot as possible.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed)

MP1 (t2585)
MP2 (t2655)
CO (t1650)
Button (t1380)
RioRodent (t775)
BB (t770)
UTG (t3685)

Preflop: RioRodent is SB with 9d, Qd.   
1 fold, MP1 calls t50, 3 folds, RioRodent completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Qs, Td, Qh (3 players)
RioRodent checks, BB bets t50, MP1 calls t50, RioRodent calls t50.

Turn: (t300) Th (3 players)
RioRodent checks, BB bets t670 (All-In), MP1 folds, RioRodent calls t670.

River: (t1640) 4d (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1640

Results in white below: 
BB has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and queens). 
RioRodent has 9d Qd (full house, queens full of tens). 
Outcome: RioRodent wins t1640.