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Myself and friend are having this argument about a couple of things:

he thinks that Arsenal Got Henry for less then a mill. I am 99% sure they didn't. We have a bet riding bet on the result

he thinks that Wenger has spent (as a net figure) no more then 10m since he joined arsenal. I think he has spent a lot more. We have a bet riding on the result

Does anyone know of a good website that gives you all this crap and more, not just for these specific two questions, but for all fussball trivia like this? I searched google and typed in stuff like "how much did Henry cost" and got told about some episode of The Monkeys. I would be interested in knowing each managers P/L etc, in case we get arguing about how much Fergie has spent, and then I can sneakily suggest a slightly larger bet, confident of the outcome.


Any help will most certainly be appreciated

Thanks

Henry was bought for about 7.5m I believe

Henry cost £10.5 million from Juventus

source:http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=13501 (http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=13501)

 rotflmfao

Has he been on the moon or something?

Wiltord, Henry and Reyes all cost more than £10million

rite, but he sold Anelka for something like 25M after buying him for peanuts, offloaded Overmars and that bag of waste Petit for bout 25M as well, and various other deals of that ilk... so he thinks that Expenditure minus Income on player transfers is less then 10M

until he bought the 3 players in the transfer window this january, wenger had a net loss of £9m

henry did cost £10.5m

thanks for the website btw nem, thats pretty much perfect

Do you think that Wenger is the greatest top English division manager of all time?

no, the correct answer is clearly Christian Gross. He was amazing

i think that is a matter of people's opinions.

to go through a 38 game season unbeaten is a record that may never be matched. so as far as a league season goes then yes.

man utd won a fantastic treble which has never been and maybe never will be repeated.

liverpool have had some great managers winning many league titles and european cups.

i certianly think wenger is our best ever manager by quite some distance. the way we have been able to compete spending as little as we have and the way he finds players and turns them into world class players is fantastic.

henry was going nowhere at juve veiria the same at AC. petit was an unknown, anelka was just a kid kolo toure is one of the best centre backs in the prem. the list goes on but it has happened at other clubs with other managers.

to say that someone is the best ever when there are so many great managers is too hard and will always cause great debate amongst fans.

the way wenger has taken us forward on a limited budget compared to man utd and chelsea and even clubs like leeds, liverpool and tottenham and the way he has us playing football, which is the most entertaining in the country i would not swap him for anybody else and it will be a sad day and a backward step when he leaves arsenal.

is wenger the best manager of all time??? i dont know but i know he is one of them 8)

IMO Wenger is the ETD greatest manager of all time. Out of all the managers there have been in Englands Top Division, I would want Wenger managing my team.

WOW, for a spurs fan to say that i think it just goes to show the respect that wenger has in the game.

i think the problem with the question is that most fans are very bias and think that their manger is the best. i expect every man utd fan to say that fergie is the best and so on.

very honest Nem.

I dont think he is the best manager of all time, he has under-achieved imo considering the players he had at his disposal. I certainly think he would be the best "director of football" if there was such an accolade, but I have to think that the best manager is Fergie. He seems to get the absolute best out of very average players (butt/Nevilles to name but two)

Fergie is definately nowhere near as good as Wenger in the transfer market, but I dont know if that should be the best requisite of a manager. Maybe fergie is the best coach/motivator of all time, i dont really know.

I would certainly want Wenger in charge of buying and selling players, but in my dream world, I would still want Fergie tellin em what to do

REALLY??

Wenger has turned rejects into world stars and developed great young players like Cole, Senderos, Fabregas, Toure, Clichy, Henry, Ljunberg etc... Wenger has brought so many players on the cheap and if he sold them on he would be in huge profit, where as Fergie is just the manager of Monopoly United(£££). Wenger in 10 years has taken Arsenal from being the same size as Spurs to one of the biggest clubs in the world. The new stadium is all down to him, the training ground is all down to him. The guy is simply different class, a one off, a legend.

How many players has Fergie bought and then been able to sell the same player for a profit? Ronaldo is the only one I can think of, and thats in 20 years LOL

I certainly think he has had the better players then Man U over the last 6 or 7 years, and yet hasn't achieved as much as them.. so in my eyes that is a clear definiton of "underachieving"

EDIT: to include that I dont really know much about football, just something I always felt about the arsenal team... whilst they have achieved a lot, I think with that batch of players over the last decade, they should have achieved more, hence the (maybe a bit strong) underachievement. In no way was i trying to belittle their achievements... just an opinion

lawrir mcmenamee at southampton was the best english top division manger of all time

no money no players but he MANAGED southampton to some great seasons

rotflmfao

i also think what paul jewell has done with a championship side this season is better than wenger achieve with his team of internations going 38 league games unbeaten

Part time Comedian?

And Reyes was 17.5 million as i recall. He has certainly done some amazing business though since he was there. Huge profits on Anelka, Petite, Overmars etc.

I totally agree about Wenger


Lawrie McMenemy and Paul Jewell are fine, but neither hold a candle to what Martin O'Neill achieved at leicester......he bought tremendous bargains, we won the CC cup twice and finished in the top 10 of the Premeirship five seasons on the trot

Never before, and never again!

nemesis a blind donkey with no football knowledge or christain gross could of succeeded with the players available to wenger

wigan were odds on to get relegated this season instead they look like they could finish in top half now thats an achievement

MON is a poor mans gordon strachan good but not quite good enough

complete and utter rubbish.

Strachan cannot be mentioned in the same breath as O'Neill

Compare Strachan at Coventry (bottom six all the time til they finally dropped) and Southampton (he took them down) to O'Neill at Leicester (who only inevitably went down two seasons after he left). End of discussion.

strachan too southampton down???


the season we went down we started with sturock as manager for 2 games then some coach who couldnt win a game then redknapp who was under orders from milan to take the saints down so that they could play derbys against us in the championship

"We"?

you're a Southampton fan?  :dontask:


Strachan's crap anyway.

Martin O'Neill is fantastic.

yes i am a saint and i am wearing a saints top now i have been since the early 80s

If Wenger can win the Champions League, there is no question IMO that he's the best manager, certainly of the "Premiership" generation. The football that Arsenal have played at times has been so far advanced of any other team. This from a lifelong QPR fan who saw the greatest player to ever kick a football, the legendary Stan Bowles.

The last time I heard "QPR" and "Greatest ever player to kick a football" muttered in the same sentence the Hoop fan was on about Danny Shittu

Gordon Strachan is a very good manager. He built 3 good teams at Coventry, and because the Chairman sold all of his players, it was like he was fighting a losing battle. You cannot blame Strachan for Coventry's demise, blame the Chairman.

mpost of the "top" managers nowadays dont manage they buy there way to the top

fergie took a aberdeen from nowwhere to the best team in europe and 2 euro tropheys

then took over at man u and managed united to domination over the EPL yes it took him years to gain that sucsess but that was time he was managing a team


now its a case of get in a manager and give him a few million and if he can't win the title in a couple of years get rid and see if they can find a manager who can buy the title

OK I am not falling for it.


Wind up over


built three good teams at Coventry?

there was the Dublin/Bellamy/Whelan one with Richard Shaw at the back....cannae think of the other two though....



tell you who is looking like a superb manager...Kevin Blackwell at leeds...he's managed that club back from nowhere

george burley will be up where he belongs in the 2007/2008 season got to be one of the best managers in the UK just now

Note: Wish my Smilies worked.

Respect to Nemeisis - pleased you can say what you did even though you are Spurs through and through.

Nice thread, very adult discussion.

Wenger for me - as already pointed out he manages the club, his input into all levels has proven to be as good as some of his transfer choices.
I think one of the things that will go against fergie when the history is written, for many years domesticaly they had no one to beat.  But I must confess I fear the treble will never be repeated but especially after todays score I fear I will never be able to show the maturity to Fergie that Nem showed to Wenger.

Well Tighty, the Glory Days are a dim memory, but hope springs eternal. But football to me has lost the glamour of the old days, when you could turn up to a match without consulting the Bank Manager. Its been awhile since I've seen the mighty Rs; livin in exile from London in the frozen tundra of the North.