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Title: Dreams
Post by: TightEnd on April 18, 2006, 11:25:49 AM
Dreams intrigue me

I used to have two recurring dreams.

One I have had since childhood, of being chased through woods by alsatians. I would wake up, soaked in sweat, just after a dog had attached my arm to its mouth.

That dream has long since stopped but to this day I cross the road at the sight of an alsatian near me.

Another I began to have when life was comparatively tough (comparatively for me, not compared to a lot of people) ; work became unenjoyable and stressful etc etc

I would be stuck in a lift, heading down...it would accelerate and I would wake up just before the lift crashed to the floor.

Amazingly this dream stopped the moment I left work and became a loafer.

The inner workings of the human subconscious fascinates me. I have looked and researched and I gather that dreams can be the subconscious' way of focusing your conscious mind on what is troubling you. Apparently the fact that the lift didn't crash to the floor was my way of telling myself "it'll be alright"

Now I wouldn't normally post any of this, I'm not really the type who gives away too much of myself on here too often but the last two nights I have had a couple of corkers, particularly

being at a funeral of an unknown person, me dressed in nothing but a dressing gown with a few other details I'll keep to myself  :D

Cue me spending the next few days trying to work that one out!

Who else is interested in dreams and the psychology of dreams?




Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: matt674 on April 18, 2006, 11:30:33 AM
i wondered who that was in their dressing gown - nice taste in colours!!

did have me wondering what the cucumber was for though??


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: AndrewT on April 18, 2006, 12:03:41 PM
I think dreams are the outward signs of you subconscious 'thinking'. It processes data whilst you are asleep and sorts through all the things which normally whizz through your head during the day. Its conclusions then get filed away in your brain, ready to influence your decisions in the future.

This subconscious influence has many different names - some people call it 'instinct', or 'gut feeling', or 'a hunch', but they are all the same sensation - your brain tries to tell you it has already reached a decision about the situation you are currently in; there's no need for any conscious thought.

Now, you only actually remember your dreams (well, I do anyway) when you wake up in the middle of them. This tends to be just as something dramatic happens (the lift crashes into the floor, the alsatian bites your arm, Scarlett Johanssen removes her bra etc). I don't think the actual dream itself has any meaning which would stand up to conscious analysis - it's almost like your brain's screensaver - some images which are shown whilst your brain is occupied.

I would recommend the book Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell - it's all about how we are able to make split-second decisions which are more often correct, when any amount of conscious thinking would actually lead us to an incorrect conclusion - power of the sub-conscious, and all that.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: stallyon on April 18, 2006, 12:03:57 PM
sounds like your pretty screwed up  ;)

my dreams usually involve poppet and a jar of chocolate spread  :D


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: AndrewT on April 18, 2006, 12:07:05 PM
sounds like your pretty screwed up  ;)

my dreams usually involve poppet and a jar of chocolate spread  :D

Why would anyone dream about a girl making sandwiches?

Anyone except Kev, that is...


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: dik9 on April 18, 2006, 12:12:19 PM
do you watch coronation street?


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: TightEnd on April 18, 2006, 12:13:41 PM
sounds like your pretty screwed up  ;)




why thanks!

Kepping psychotherapists in business me.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: TightEnd on April 18, 2006, 12:14:39 PM
do you watch coronation street?

me? no.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: stallyon on April 18, 2006, 12:19:58 PM
do you watch coronation street?

me? no.

so you've never been seen wandering the streets saying My Name's Tight End...I'm in ladies underwear


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Claw75 on April 18, 2006, 12:21:20 PM
I'll never forget a dream I had when I was 12 or so.  It was really lifelike and involved me shouting at my teacher and storming out the classroom and going to sit on the stairs (very out of character). I told my best friend at school about it the next morning.  That afternoon, events consipired to leading to me shouting at same teacher and storming out of class.  It was only when I was sitting on the stairs outside the classroom in tears that I realised what had happened - I'd dreamt the afternoon's course of events almost exactly as they'd happened.  Very weird.  Also had vivid dreams of places I'd never visited, and would then 'recognise' them when I did visit to the point that I could tell you what was around the next corner.

I don't have recurring dreams anymore, but used to often dream about being shot in the back, and would always wake up as the bullet hit.  I've had lots of dreams over the past couple of weeks about Vegas, including one where I won $30,000 in a poker tournament (will be happy if that turns out to be the 2nd psychic dream of my life!).  Last night I dreamt that I called Ian's all in in last night's BP special with my AK and he turned over AJ and I knocked him out instead of letting him go on to win!!!!

On funeral dreams, a colleague of mine dreamt a few months ago that he was at a funeral and his dad (who passed away a few years ago) was sat next to him and mentioned the name of the man whose funeral it was (an old family friend).  The next day my colleague's mother called him and told him that the man whose funeral he had dreamt about had passed away during the night.

Fascinating stuff.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: TightEnd on April 18, 2006, 12:22:44 PM
do you watch coronation street?

me? no.

so you've never been seen wandering the streets saying My Name's Tight End...I'm in ladies underwear


often, but thats for another thread.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: thetank on April 18, 2006, 12:32:55 PM
sounds like your pretty screwed up  ;)

my dreams usually involve poppet and a jar of chocolate spread  :D

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Cybertim on April 18, 2006, 12:48:30 PM
http://www.freakydreams.com/freaky.htm

dream interpreter


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: tikay on April 18, 2006, 01:19:53 PM
Andrew T refers to the book "Blink", which apparently suggests making insta-decisions, instead of out-thinking yourself.

So Chili & I go to Dublin together, & she is raving about this "Blink" book, & reads me endless slabs of it. Yeah yeah yeah.....

I pick up pocket sixes on the Button in the Main Event, with 3 limpers, plus the blinds & decide to try the "Blink" theory. First thought - move all-in & kill the hand. It worked a treat, I would never have been so decisive unless I had heard the "llink" theory.

A shame Matey Boy had limped with Aces though. I blame Blink. And Chili.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: TightEnd on April 18, 2006, 01:22:05 PM
I know the book too...it struck a chord with me though....how often, whether it be in poker or in life, should one go with one's first instinct but instead you vacillate and make the wrong choice?



Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: ifm on April 18, 2006, 01:22:16 PM
Last night i had a dream i was eating an emormous marshmallow.
When i woke up my pillow was gone ???


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Royal Flush on April 18, 2006, 01:22:23 PM
Andrew T refers to the book "Blink", which apparently suggests making insta-decisions, instead of out-thinking yourself.

So Chili & I go to Dublin together, & she is raving about this "Blink" book, & reads me endless slabs of it. Yeah yeah yeah.....

I pick up pocket sixes on the Button in the Main Event, with 3 limpers, plus the blinds & decide to try the "Blink" theory. First thought - move all-in & kill the hand. It worked a treat, I would never have been so decisive unless I had heard the "llink" theory.

A shame Matey Boy had limped with Aces though. I blame Blink. And Chili.

For the last time its the right play!


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Dewi_cool on April 18, 2006, 01:26:26 PM
Last night i had a dream i was eating an emormous marshmallow.
When i woke up my pillow was gone ???

Were you in my bedroom Ian, coz mine was gone too!!!


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: AndrewT on April 18, 2006, 01:36:39 PM
I know the book too...it struck a chord with me though....how often, whether it be in poker or in life, should one go with one's first instinct but instead you vacillate and make the wrong choice?

The key is whether you have played enough poker so that your subconscious has seen this particular situation enough in the past to come to the correct decision.

One other powerful aspect of the subconscious is it is very good at isolating the one or two critical pieces of information which are key in any situation. Consciously, we can fall into the trap of 'more information is better information' and get bogged down by irrelevant data.

In Tikay's hand, the power of Blink comes not from going with your first conscious thought ('move all-in & kill the hand'), but rather from going with a decision which you seem to have made before you've given it any conscious though at all. Maybe a first thought is one thought too many?

Maybe Obi Wan Kenobi had it right after all...


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Chili on April 18, 2006, 02:59:05 PM
Awesome stuff this.  This is the most fascinating book i have read in a while AND the most relevant to me in this "slice" of my life at the moment. 

Where Tikay's first instinct was to stick his chips in and take the pot (correct, i also agree).  It didnt work THAT time due to limping Aces.  My demise on the second day at Dublin interestingly if i had stuck to my unconscious thought, WOULD have won me the pot and kept me in the comp.

I started the day with 36,500 with the average being 40k.  I managed to build to about 60k and then get moved tables to sit to the right of Mickey Wernick.  After losing a little with the blinds and ante's a hand develops with Mickey flat calling under the gun.  The small blind makes it up and i check my big blind with 9 2 off.  The flop comes 883, small blind checks and i insantly pick up my chips to bet the flop.  In that split second i had deduced that would be the only way i could win the tasty 10, 800 that is in the pot.  On the way to those chips going in the middle my conscious brain remembers Mickey previously coming over the top and with his big stack he could call anyway.  I hesitate and check with those chips instead chucking them in.  So the free card arrives (a Jack) and small blind checks and THEN i bet.  Lunacy, again my instinct was the Jack was a very bad card to see but i had to have that proven.  Mickey calls and small blind passes.  The river is another small card and i bet 15k and Mickey calls in an instant with K J.

I had lost half my stack by analising.  All i had to do was bet the flop and it was mine.  Very bizarely in the context of this thread, Micky says "I had to call that bet at the end quick because i may have passed if i had thought about it!"  I have beaten myself up all weekend over this crappy decision.  It left me with 22k and a few hands later i got AK, went all in after a 10k raise, was called for the extra 12k (which only left him with 6k) with 66 and i went out.

The power of "blink".


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: matt674 on April 18, 2006, 03:06:06 PM
The power of "blink".

Unfortunately the power affects some of us the wrong way!!

Sometimes i have a thought (a rare occurence so i have to make the most of it while it lasts) but then i "blink" and its gone :'(

Suppose thats beneficial for the rest of you though!!


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: AndrewT on April 18, 2006, 03:10:30 PM
Of course, the usual 'power of blink' which happens when Tikay plays a tournament is that if an observer does blink, they will miss his exit...

*  :redcard:  self*


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: matt674 on April 18, 2006, 03:14:12 PM
I would recommend the book Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell - it's all about how we are able to make split-second decisions which are more often correct, when any amount of conscious thinking would actually lead us to an incorrect conclusion - power of the sub-conscious, and all that.

Awesome stuff this.  This is the most fascinating book i have read in a while AND the most relevant to me in this "slice" of my life at the moment. 

The power of "blink".

Sometimes this can be a two way street though - the number of times i've made a quick decision which turns out to be an incorrect one when if had actually stopped to think briefly about the situation i would have made the correct one.

I've always said that you should always go with your instincts and never try to second guess yourself but there is a case sometimes for allowing your subconscience a brief moment to trawl through everything that is contained within to try and piece together the jigsaw before coming to a conclusion.

Its all about finding the happy medium :) (as in the midway point between the two rather than the jovial fortune teller! ;))


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: londonpokergirl on April 18, 2006, 03:19:11 PM
I used to have a recurring dream where I was running through the woods being chased by some monster had the same dream until about 5 years ago and suddenly it stopped no idea why.

Now my dreams are pretty basic racy stuff ;) 


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: AndrewT on April 18, 2006, 03:21:26 PM
Sometimes this can be a two way street though - the number of times i've made a quick decision which turns out to be an incorrect one when if had actually stopped to think briefly about the situation i would have made the correct one.

I've always said that you should always go with your instincts and never try to second guess yourself but there is a case sometimes for allowing your subconscience a brief moment to trawl through everything that is contained within to try and piece together the jigsaw before coming to a conclusion.

Its all about finding the happy medium :) (as in the midway point between the two rather than the jovial fortune teller! ;))

It's like driving. When you start driving, it's best if you use conscious thought, as trying to drive without thinking may not be the best idea. Once you've been driving a while though, you stop putting conscious thought into it (you don't think 'better change gear here' or 'indicate right' - you just do it before you realise it) and it would actually be slower to concentrate on every single aspect of operating the car.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: tikay on April 18, 2006, 03:27:32 PM

Am so loving this thread.

Good job Andrew Red-Carded himself though, saved me a job.....

When I look back on my life, I can think of so many "Blink-type" decisions I have made. But I kinda think they balance out.  Some of my worst mistakes in life, I admit, were due to "out-thinking" myself. And other really bad decisions were insta-made. Guess I just made a lot of bad decisions!


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: matt674 on April 18, 2006, 03:29:54 PM
But by the same token - how many more accidents are there nowadays because people drive whilst on "automatic pilot". People stop putting conscious thought into decisions such as "turn indicator left" and "better change gear here" is ok but then with some it leads to just becoming lazy and doing things like "not putting indicator on to turn left" and "not looking in side mirror before turning".

Sometimes the conscious thought reminds people to remain alert at all times and keeps the grey matter in an "awake" state.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Poppet7 on April 18, 2006, 06:09:49 PM
sounds like your pretty screwed up  ;)

my dreams usually involve poppet and a jar of chocolate spread  :D

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

rotflmfao That really made me laugh :D

On Topic: I've always been quite interested in the psychology of dreams, I had to have counselling for quite a long period of time due to the constant dreams I was having of Leon dying, or when Leon had died. They were always so horrible and unexplained, I'd wake up sobbing my heart out. The counselling helped and thankfully I haven't had them recently. I've also had dreams about my Mum being murdered, my Dad dying from lung cancer and my sister drowning in a river but I wouldn't jump in to save her because I had my new trousers on! (I know the psychology of that one!! ;D)

I think the reason why I dream about death is because that is my biggest fear. If I get an unexpected phone call or something, I always imagine its because they're going to tell me that someone close to me has died. It's also probably a result of my insecurity, because i'm constantly panicking that I'm going to lose someone in my life.

I'd suggest reading a dream book if you're ever interested in what they mean... not sure they're entirely accurate though.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: RED-DOG on April 18, 2006, 07:15:10 PM
When I was a little boy, perhaps 8 or 9 years old I used to dream about a wall with a pea sized hole in it. As is the way with dreams, I could squeeze through this tiny hole and into a secret room on the other side.

The room was filled with books, shelf after shelf of dusty volumes, If I chose one at random and wiped the cover with my sleeve, It would always reveal a gold lettered title with a picture below

The stories were always about pirates or explorers, cowboys or secret agents, I can't remember ever 'dream reading' any of them, but I loved to go there.

The other magical thing about the room was the fact that no matter how long I stayed there, time didn't pass outside, so I was never missed.

I found I could have this dream at will, I don't know when I stopped doing it, and I don't think I have ever told anyone about it before now, not even Mrs Red.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Sark79 on April 18, 2006, 08:21:21 PM
This is a great book.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/034537410X/002-3333106-8636008?v=glance&n=283155


I have this and have read it a number of times.  It deals with lucid dreaming. This is dreaming while being completely aware and able to control what you are dreaming about. Alot of atheletes and performers have used these methods to achieve fantastic results. It gives a dress rehearsal of the event you are going to undertake.  Type Lucid dreaming into google.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: madasahatstand on April 18, 2006, 08:38:15 PM
Dreams intrigue me

I used to have two recurring dreams.

One I have had since childhood, of being chased through woods by alsatians. I would wake up, soaked in sweat, just after a dog had attached my arm to its mouth.

That dream has long since stopped but to this day I cross the road at the sight of an alsatian near me.

Another I began to have when life was comparatively tough (comparatively for me, not compared to a lot of people) ; work became unenjoyable and stressful etc etc

I would be stuck in a lift, heading down...it would accelerate and I would wake up just before the lift crashed to the floor.

Amazingly this dream stopped the moment I left work and became a loafer.

The inner workings of the human subconscious fascinates me. I have looked and researched and I gather that dreams can be the subconscious' way of focusing your conscious mind on what is troubling you. Apparently the fact that the lift didn't crash to the floor was my way of telling myself "it'll be alright"

Now I wouldn't normally post any of this, I'm not really the type who gives away too much of myself on here too often but the last two nights I have had a couple of corkers, particularly

being at a funeral of an unknown person, me dressed in nothing but a dressing gown with a few other details I'll keep to myself  :D

Cue me spending the next few days trying to work that one out!

Who else is interested in dreams and the psychology of dreams?





Hmmmm. A dressing gown and some other bits you dont want to tell about? the dressing gown suggests you are relaxed about passing on butnot ready for it yet, hence the lounging in the dressing gown and not fully clothed. I am interested in the other things though as these might be the teller. maybe you aint ready to Tell yet hence the dressing gown?  lol
you can read lots from dreams but they are usually pretty obvious. I have had weird ones over the years. The best one is being able to fly. Like treading water only in fresh air. I can do big 'BOING BOING' steps over buildings. Class!
My teeth have also fell out several times over the years in dreams. Apparrently a new beginning and doing away with the past? Ive a few more but i wont bore you.
I LOVE DREAMING






Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Trace on April 18, 2006, 10:53:37 PM
I have two reoccurring ones too.  I've been having them for so long now that I can't even remember when they started:

1.  I am in a house, not my house, not anyone I know's house, but suddenly I find a secret room (usually a door hidden behind another door) - this room is usually a sumptuous bedroom with a MEGA huge en suite bathroom.  No one knows about the room but me and the emotions I go through on finding this room are amazing.  I always think of it as my "sanctuary", no one can find me and no one can touch me in here.  BLISS!!

2.  I suddenly remember I have hundred and hundreds of hutches full of animals (rabbits, guinea pigs, ferrets  etc) and all of them are on the verge of starvation and dehydration, but I get to them in time.  Weird thing is even the few that have actually died come back to life again when I feed and water them - bloody weird!!


Anyone got a spare padded cell?


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: dik9 on April 18, 2006, 11:20:42 PM
2.  I suddenly remember I have hundred and hundreds of hutches full of animals (rabbits, guinea pigs, ferrets  etc) and all of them are on the verge of starvation and dehydration, but I get to them in time.  Weird thing is even the few that have actually died come back to life again when I feed and water them - bloody weird!!

Means you need to check the batteries on your rampant! :)up


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Trace on April 19, 2006, 12:34:46 PM
2.  I suddenly remember I have hundred and hundreds of hutches full of animals (rabbits, guinea pigs, ferrets  etc) and all of them are on the verge of starvation and dehydration, but I get to them in time.  Weird thing is even the few that have actually died come back to life again when I feed and water them - bloody weird!!

Means you need to check the batteries on your rampant! :)up

OMG!   Gobsmacked!!!

You're a sick sick man.  lol


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: stallyon on April 19, 2006, 04:51:28 PM
not denying it tho trace???


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Trace on April 19, 2006, 05:36:08 PM
not denying it tho trace???

Is there any point?  lol


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: AndrewT on January 09, 2007, 01:17:42 PM
Actual research on the 'unconscious thought' thing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6243787.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6243787.stm)

It doesn't say if Tikay was one of the test subjects.


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Poppet7 on January 09, 2007, 05:54:32 PM
I got a dream book for xmas and I had one two nights ago where I was being chased by a female lion and it managed to grab my coat and then I was wrestling it in the middle of a field. I've never had a dream like this before so I looked it up and it said if the lion wasn't killed it means there is going to be a successful development.

I'm looking forward to owning the interview on friday ;D


Title: Re: Dreams
Post by: Jim-D on January 09, 2007, 05:55:42 PM
I got a dream book for xmas and I had one two nights ago where I was being chased by a female lion and it managed to grab my coat and then I was wrestling it in the middle of a field. I've never had a dream like this before so I looked it up and it said if the lion wasn't killed it means there is going to be a successful development.

I'm looking forward to pwning the interview on friday ;D

FYP!