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Title: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: TightEnd on April 20, 2006, 11:25:08 PM Here's the hand, with my thought process. As you will see I thought it was an automatic call. I would be interested for you to pick holes in my arguments where applicable
Live small rebuy tournament Penultimate hand of rebuys, blinds 50-100 I am chip leader on a seven handed table with 8,000 I am in SB with Jc 7d UTG is second chip leader with 7,500 He limps, very tight player, only premium hands shown all night and they have stood up Three further limpers, chip stacks range from 1000-5000 coming round to me in SB, have to put 50 into a pot containing 550. Automatic call with any two. The plan being only to proceed if I flop two pair or better. BB checks Flop Tc 9d 8c I have flopped the straight but I am vulnerable to club flush draws, bigger straight draws I think I have to lead out here and bet 600, full pot sized bet UTG thinks and goes all in for 7400 Shortstack calls for 1000 Now I have a decision to make. There will be only one hand to rebuy after this. I think UTG can make this move with any one of the following hands Overpair to the board A set Nut flush draw TPTK (Unlikely) QJ Given this range of hands I think its an automatic call I call He turns over Qh Jh I think this is just one of those things Agree? Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: jezza777 on April 20, 2006, 11:34:38 PM He has the ONLY hand you are behind to at the moment which is indeed just one of those things. The only reason I see for a pass here is the fact the rebuys are ending and saving chips now will enable you to have more leverage later on . ( ie the chips are worth more in your stack in the freezeout because of the power they afford you- if that makes sense) .
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: RonK on April 20, 2006, 11:45:26 PM if he's near the chip lead and he's tight is he really going all in with the nut flush draw?
flopping a set on that board isnt the best especially with that many limpers so he's more than likely going to put in a nice re raise to find out where he is but he's re raisin you 5000 or so,he's limped in so its more than likely he's a set or q j k 10,k j pocket pair now i said what i think this player may do with a set,if he's on a draw he's prolly flat calling why would he raise all in. you must realise he made a very strong re raise he's tight player being showing up great hands all night,shows you great strengh and you don't believe automatic call : no but unlucky its a tought situation which you got urself into by limping in with a very marginal hand just because ur gettin ur odds u don't always have to call Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: TightEnd on April 20, 2006, 11:51:06 PM a) you don't believe b) just because ur gettin ur odds u don't always have to call Oh I believe full well he has a made hand, just not sure if it is a set, AA/KK/QQ/JJ or QJ or conceivably A10. Getting 550-50 in the SB I am struggling to think of a hand I wouldn't play. Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Dewi_cool on April 20, 2006, 11:56:07 PM What did your gut instinct say???
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: jezza777 on April 20, 2006, 11:56:34 PM just because ur gettin ur odds u don't always have to call
getting 11-1 with only the bb to act then there is no hand , and I mean no hand I will fold. Although I know he had jq and tighty was struggling I believe his betting pattern is the same with a set , or even a big draw and therefore you cant really fold. Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: TightEnd on April 20, 2006, 11:58:29 PM What did your gut instinct say??? It said Two bacon sandwiches and a cup of tea please, as usual "blink" theory/first instinct told me he had an overpair Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: RonK on April 21, 2006, 12:08:57 AM just because ur gettin ur odds u don't always have to call getting 11-1 with only the bb to act then there is no hand , and I mean no hand I will fold. Although I know he had jq and tighty was struggling I believe his betting pattern is the same with a set , or even a big draw and therefore you cant really fold. is that how ur standard tight player plays a set pots 1000 and he re raises 5 times the pot with 4 other players in the pot,huge chance of a straight being out there 7 6,j 7, q j sure Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Bongo on April 21, 2006, 12:22:24 AM But raising 5 times the pot is how people usually play the nuts? :dontask:
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: RonK on April 21, 2006, 12:23:38 AM no raising 5 times the pot always an OVERPAIR! ALWAYS!
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: TightEnd on April 21, 2006, 12:25:04 AM Not. here. though.
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Nem on April 21, 2006, 12:27:08 AM no raising 5 times the pot always an OVERPAIR! ALWAYS! LOL Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Royal Flush on April 21, 2006, 12:35:47 AM I call if he has it then i go home and play online...
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Josh on April 21, 2006, 02:08:59 AM I think it's definitely a call.... I'd have put him on an overpair like you said, or a nut flush draw...
The only hand you're behind to on the flop is jack queen....and personally just my opinion I wouldn't have gone all in with the nuts on the flop, I'd have flat called, or made a smaller re-raise...not gone all in with it. Too many people in the pot to go all in with top pair on that flop. You were just unlucky Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: RonK on April 21, 2006, 02:24:46 AM I think it's definitely a call.... I'd have put him on an overpair like you said, or a nut flush draw... The only hand you're behind to on the flop is jack queen....and personally just my opinion I wouldn't have gone all in with the nuts on the flop, I'd have flat called, or made a smaller re-raise...not gone all in with it. Too many people in the pot to go all in with top pair on that flop. You were just unlucky words of wisdom Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: The Dundonian on April 21, 2006, 11:34:12 AM I think it's definitely a call.... I'd have put him on an overpair like you said, or a nut flush draw... The only hand you're behind to on the flop is jack queen....and personally just my opinion I wouldn't have gone all in with the nuts on the flop, I'd have flat called, or made a smaller re-raise...not gone all in with it. Too many people in the pot to go all in with top pair on that flop. You were just unlucky With the two clubs on the flop I would have gone all in with the JQ. Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Royal Flush on April 21, 2006, 02:23:50 PM With the two clubs on the flop I would have gone all in with the JQ. Yeah dont want someone calling when we have the nuts! That would be awfull! Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: The Dundonian on April 22, 2006, 02:25:10 PM With the two clubs on the flop I would have gone all in with the JQ. Yeah dont want someone calling when we have the nuts! That would be awfull! I like sarcasm, it really is the lowest form of wit. I'm expressing an opinion, it may be wrong, but it's what I would do. Isn't that the idea behind these threads ? Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: Royal Flush on April 22, 2006, 02:29:14 PM With the two clubs on the flop I would have gone all in with the JQ. Yeah dont want someone calling when we have the nuts! That would be awfull! I like sarcasm, it really is the lowest form of wit. I'm expressing an opinion, it may be wrong, but it's what I would do. Isn't that the idea behind these threads ? my bad Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: action man on April 22, 2006, 03:30:08 PM if hes got it, good luck to him
Title: Re: I thought this was an automatic call Post by: The Dundonian on April 22, 2006, 03:57:28 PM With the two clubs on the flop I would have gone all in with the JQ. Yeah dont want someone calling when we have the nuts! That would be awfull! I like sarcasm, it really is the lowest form of wit. I'm expressing an opinion, it may be wrong, but it's what I would do. Isn't that the idea behind these threads ? my bad No your not. |