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Hi all,

Due to the bombings yesterday I got locked out of my hotel (the grafton next to warren street), and the outlook was that we would not be lack back in till the next day so I couldnt think of anything better to do than head to gutshot for the 50 freezout.  Had a top time, lots of good craic re the wsop, and played with some v good players.  Think I learn every time I play there (apart from maybe in the 5 rebuy!!).

Just after a little advice on the hand I went out on if the players on here would be so kind.  Blinds are 350-700, and I have about 5200 points.  I had just been moved to th dealer table and I find 99 on the button.

1st position raises to 2000 to go.  I had played with him earlier and my impression was of a good player who was not afraid to have a crack at the blinds from EP and then show trash if everyone folded. He had about the same stack as me. 

A big stack (10000+) just calls from MP.

I think for a minute and decide I want this 1v1 if poss so I push all in for 5200.  Unfortunatly both call - EP with KQs and big stack with A10o.  the 9's hold up till the river when a Q hits and puts me out in the middle of the field.

So the question is - should I have:

a)  just called and seen what the board was to bring?
b) folded and waited for better than 99?
c) pushed in as I did.

just interested in what others would do in this situation. 

btw - stayed in a travelodge near gutshot in the end and got back in the hotel this morning for a much needed chang of keks!  I really think gutshot should start selling branded toothbrushs and pants - with London the way it is now this may not be the last time a punter gets caught short :D

cheers

Phil.

I was unable to get home last night, stayed in a cheap hotel and played at the Vic having stopped at Boots and Marks for essentials on the way!

onto your question

You have less than 10BB , You are going to need a double up pretty soon, I don't think you can be faulted for pushing in and taking a shot here

If I didn't know what the foes had I would have been concerned by the flat call by the big stack.

You really need to get heads up but by the time the EP calls your 5200 the big stack in priced in. In my opinion the Call of your re-raise by the EP with KQ is weak, when he has a bigger stack to act behind him. This is where you are a bit unlucky, because by the time they are both in it turns out you are up against 4 overcards!

Just my opinion, but I can't see you did anything wrong here

b for me. with an EP raise and a call from deep stack 9,9 isn't any good. least you can expect to find is 4 over cards, best hope, they bith have AK, but quite likely to find an over pair. You'd like to have RR one player maybe but once second player is in it's a reluctant pass for me.

would have folded - you still have enough time left to get the needed double up , wouldent want to take 99 into a threeway pot, appreciate you didnt really want a caller , but a call probably puts you behind
you had the opportunity to get out with the flat call after the raise - think i would have taken it there, as a previous reply said , best you can hope for is 2 overcards and then its a coin flip
the flat call would have woried me as well - it indicates that he doesent want to price any left to play , out of the pot- as it happens the hole cards were very good for you and unlucky in the end but given the same situation i would fold them every time

I'd be inclined to pass here too.

You've still got a decent stack and you ideally wanna avoid the chip leader with a medium strength hand as he could well call you with some crap like A-10 or KQ, and you've no need to get into a coin flip for all your chips at that stage.


Me and Adam are down for the 5 rebuy tomorrow, you going?

The problem I see here is that you were looking for a 1 on 1 situation. Personally, I would prefer them to both fold so I can take the chips there and then. I certainly don't want to be in a showdown where I am at best 50-50.

If I am wrong in this assumption, and you didn't want a call, then I wouldn't have made the move as, considering he is a loose cannon, he's probably not going to fold after putting 2000 in the pot. Your stack just isn't big enough to scare him off.

With regards to the kq, well, that's just poor play, and he got lucky.

To conclude, I would have folded and waited for a better opportunity.

I tend to agree. A reluctant pass is probably the wisest course witth 99. Easy game this, with hindsight.....

My response is probably showing why I have a lot to learn!  :-[

Hi all,

Many thanks for all the advice.  Its interesting cos I walked out thinking I made the right move, but by the time I got to the hotel I wasn't so sure hence the post!

Snoopys points in particular helps a lot.  I should have decided what I really wanted the result to be before pushing in.  In hindsight playing a coin flip wasn't what was required at that stage, but thats what I was looking for....

thanks again

Phil.

Just add my two penneth.

I consider your only options here is to call or fold. Raising is a bad idea, if it is just you and early raiser then go ahead all in but the b s mp is the killer. He will call whatever happens, he must have some semblence of a hand and the odds he gets on a calling your all in are far to good for him to fold.

I would say that calling is a bad idea to as you say the early raiser is happy to fire out bets so you are unlikely to get a chance to be the raiser on a flop that is good for you (good position can be bad position for small stacks). Although something will have to happen in regards to your chip stack so a call to see if you make your trips is an option better to go down with a chance than be forced all in with rags.

At the end of the day as horrible as it seems when you way up the options a fold will probably result in you having a better chance to win the tournament.

 

Wow nice post ACE2MOUTH. Where did YOU come from? Not a newbie, I'd guess.....

not a newbie player if thats what you mean.

8 years playing, over all loser for 1st 3 years and profit ever since.

I am the only person who i have ever met who won their 1st ever live tournament in the 1st tournament they entered. I had no idea what i was doing and rivered a 7 for a full house against a flush for 900 win.

Addicted ever since!!! ;D

Thats actually more common than you think. I narrowly missed out on 1st by only a couple of thousand pojnts in a chip count at the end of my first pop at it early last year for 1670 and I've seen several players turn up and win or place very high on their 1st attempt at live tournament play. usually I think to do with nerves keeping them relatively tight and making some unconventional / unreadable plays.

Agreed.  I got 3rd for 415 first live tournament.  Played tight and pushed it all in whenever I had a decent hand.  Totally pre flop play.  That was the limit of my strategic knowledge.

Since then my profits have gone down in direct proportion to my knowledge going up.  ???

my 1st tourney in any form. never played a hand of poker before in my life before that night!!!! :D

wow, never played at all before? where is this game and how much will the buy in cost me.

i think about 90% of players kick off to a winning start when i first started i made the final the first 10x i played winning 3 of them, didnt know about deals then so when someone asked i just said no tkx lol

since then was hooked didnt win for about 3 months after that, now i have are fairly useful record 1-3 final tables of them 1-3 wins not to good im trying to imrpove everyday, and i do deals now  ;)

I remember my first tourney too, a 20 comp. I Bubbled.

But my game has come on a treat since then - I have graduated, in stages, to Bubbling in MUCH better and more expensive Tourneys these days.

There must be a level at which I can do better. Horse Racing punters will know of some horses that, say, find 7f too short, & a mile too long. And dogs ditto at 400 metres & 450 metres. I'm the poker equivelant I think.

First time I played live (Gala Notts) Finished 2nd for 1000 in a 30 comp. Probably did so well down to nerves and newness. No one could get a read I guess! :D

I do remember not knowing you could add on, so it only cost me 30 all night. :D

Hmmm.....if most of us earnt more money when we knew less, what's the point of learning more?

Now that is a very good question...

i earn far more money now. After my intial success i spent 3 years filling other peoples pockets with my cash. Although i did bust ian dobson in a 3000 cash pot in those three years that was pretty sweet. reckon i lost ten times that overall though. Learning the hard way as they say.

I feel I'm in the minority here, but I got nowhere on my first effort.  :(

I couldn't believe it, I finalled in my first live competition (10 rookie night) on a Tuesday and loved it so much I went and played the 250 freezeout on the Friday and finalled there too, on  a table of players who would have completely intimidated me by their reputation if i'd known then who they were.

It was funny, just before the final I overheard two of the other finallists discussing the make up of the final table and both agreed they had never seen me before but I was obviously experienced because I was so unfazed by the table banter and aggression. In reality I was rigid with nerves and just trying to keep my breathing under control!!!

I then spent four months without getting within spitting distance of the money in live comps, but learning a lot!!! 

Definately a pattern emerging here. 

I can see my new book now..."Play poker like the amateurs!" by Lee 'the poker numpty' Maroon, Jr.  ;)

I also finalled in my first live tournament, having said that i remember managing to have pocket pairs hold up agst overcards, something that doesnt seem to happen to me as much these days when i really need them to!! seem to always lose these coin flips down the business end of live tournaments, and thats where u really need to win them.

I guess as a newcomer to the game u probably play much more tight and in these rebuy tournaments if u catch cards people will pay u off with bottom pair etc chasing a trips or two pair of something daft.. guess ur proly more patient too

Ry

dont worry snoopy im in the same band as you.....

my first live comp ever was a 30 rebuy at yarmouth about a year ago, there was about 35 runners i think. The prize pool was still huge as the players are quite loose there and its not uncommon for a few guys to have 10 rebuys!

anyway about an hour in i found myself and Coca919 who is also on blonde sitting next to each other, at first i thought this would be good but it turned out not to be.....

i had the chiplead at this point and was very excited as first was around 1500, a lot of dollar!

next to me Coca919 is the second chipleader, so we're both thinking "right we're in for a big payday here".

little was i to know the little B****rd would badly beat me for a HUGE pot.

im in BB with 22 (not great i know, but it was still early in my poker career!) and a middle position player who regularly shouts "chips" during the rebuy period made it 4x BB

Coca919 in sb flat calls and so do i.

FLOP    A   J    2

coca checks, i check (with trips), and loosey goosey fancies it and pushes his stack in (his stack was about a 1/4 of mine) and coca flat calls in the SB, i say to my dear friend "im all in mate" furiously trying to wink at him to tell him look dont call i have you beat.

To my surprise he says "ive got to call", so im like ok then if you fancy it. So we're 3 way all in. A HUGE side pot of between me and coca (about 22000 and the main pot with about 8000), seeing as starting chips are 1500 thats quite a lot still in the rebuy period.

Loosey Goosey flips over KQ for a gutshot draw and Coca919 flips over AT   ???.

I look at the board and it takes me 5 seconds to realise that the only card i dont want to see is a 10

low and behold the turn is a T, im thinking lucky fu***r to the guy whos hit his gutshot. yet still im not that pissed off because ive got the side pot.........NO I HAVENT

River T makes Coca full house AATTT and my full house 222TT is beaten so coca take massive pot of 30000 in remarkable fashion and said in a slightly agressive tone of voice "you owe me a drink". I went all in with JT offsuit next hand for 2000 chips and got done by AK fair play. I was on TILT!

Coca went on to finish 2nd and to his credit he gave me 50 of the 800 he took!

Pokers a funny old game!

since when do u have to call with top pair and marginal kicker?

thats exactly the words which came out my my mouth RyG! ;)