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Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
When Harry Met Sally 8161887-5621 Holdem No Limit $1/$2
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Hand Start.
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 1 : JeDean has $198.25
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 2 : kingspr has $200.25
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 3 : matxz1 has $12
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 4 : four40 has $198.25
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 5 : caroline10 has $206.50
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 6 : GSY ACE has $198
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 7 : Flush Royal has $193.50
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 8 : Leprechauno has $401.40
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : Seat 9 : MASTER9956 has $58
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : caroline10 is the dealer.
[Apr 21 19:03:58] : GSY ACE posted small blind.
[Apr 21 19:03:59] : Flush Royal posted big blind.
[Apr 21 19:03:59] : Game [5621] started with 9 players.
[Apr 21 19:03:59] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Apr 21 19:03:59] : Seat 7 : Flush Royal has Kd Qs
[Apr 21 19:04:01] : Leprechauno folded.
[Apr 21 19:04:03] : MASTER9956 folded.
[Apr 21 19:04:03] : JeDean folded.
[Apr 21 19:04:11] : kingspr called $2
[Apr 21 19:04:13] : matxz1 called $2
[Apr 21 19:04:20] : four40 called $2
[Apr 21 19:04:20] : caroline10 folded.
[Apr 21 19:04:24] : GSY ACE folded.
[Apr 21 19:04:26] : Flush Royal checked.
[Apr 21 19:04:26] : Dealing flop.
[Apr 21 19:04:26] : Board cards [Qc 7h 3s]

What to do? First to act

check, with the intention to raise dependant on the action.

theres no specific reason to think you aren't ahead, and people behind aren't obliged to bet for you, so just go ahead and bet. IF someone raises, call and play the pot small, or raise him back depending on how both you and the villain (s) have played previous pots.. the board isn't draw heavy so you can get a pretty good line on his hand as the betting progresses (how do you pluralise that word?)


Given that marxz only has $10 left after limping, Id bet $5 rather then the full pot so you have the option to raise again if he stacks off.

I dont especially like the c/r here because it gets too little action from hands you are beating like Q9/Q10 etc.. and you have no reason to think anyone will bet given preflop proclivaties.

If everyone folds, then its likely that they had a hand that wouldn't give you action anyways unless they overtook you, so thats not especially sickening.

[Apr 21 19:04:29] : Flush Royal bet $8
[Apr 21 19:04:37] : kingspr called $8
[Apr 21 19:04:40] : matxz1 called $8 and raised $2 and is All-in
[Apr 21 19:04:40] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Apr 21 19:04:48] : four40 called $10 and raised $8
[Apr 21 19:04:53] : Flush Royal called $10
[Apr 21 19:04:58] : kingspr called $10
[Apr 21 19:04:59] : Dealing turn.
[Apr 21 19:04:59] : Board cards [Qc 7h 3s 4d]
[Apr 21 19:05:01] : Flush Royal checked.
[Apr 21 19:05:11] : kingspr checked.
[Apr 21 19:05:14] : four40 bet $16

Now?

any info on the players???

at the mo i think four40 could have kq qj q10 qrag 33 or 77. This is with no info tho, i may go out there with my q rag call and say Q7 suited.

looks like your just going to call him down tho.

(royal flush advice would be normally be move allin and reload!)

  I would raise here and try and get kingspr out the way

  four40 always USE TO play pocket pairs hard pre flop so I would probably discount trips(.25/.50 level mind)

  A raise to $50 should see him call with top pair or raise with the made straight (for some reason he never use to trap)

In a comp i would check raise all in!!

I am playign 2 tables he is on both of them and he has been playing me off a lot of pots, although i havent seen his hands.

I would have check-raised the flop to any smallish bet, as you find out where you are more cheaply. If you raise now that the turn is down, it's $32 minimum - not small compared to your stack.

I would now probably call this and back off to any sizeable river bet. Say in the pot sized reigon.

I'd just call here, this is one of those spots that if you are ahead, you are going to have him drawing skinny.. and if you are behind, you wont have many outs on the river.. Way Ahead Way Behind.. and lest us not forget the potential snake in the grass that is lurking in between you two. Trying to get to showdown cheap is likely the best avenue here.

I just saw your post where you say "I am playign 2 tables he is on both of them and he has been playing me off a lot of pots, although i havent seen his hands." so this is prolly a good chance to let him try and do so again. One thing is for sure, your hand is stronger then he will expect it to be

Well said.

  The info I have on him is 2 months old.That is 2 months ago he was playing .25/.50 level
 
  He must be on a good upswing because he wasn't pulling up any trees when I use to play him

[Apr 21 19:05:16] : Flush Royal called $16
[Apr 21 19:05:17] : kingspr called $16
[Apr 21 19:05:18] : Dealing river.
[Apr 21 19:05:18] : Board cards [Qc 7h 3s 4d Kc]

Good post totalise, thats what i was thinking, keep it small, now i river 2 pair!

First to act what to do! Pot is now about $120

a real blessing and a curse! if he has the set, you are fixing to lose a lot of money on this hand all of a sudden. Its real hard to assign him a proper hand other then a set , as you wouldn't expect him to be limping with Q7/37/Q3... and given there are no draws out there,  you are looking at Qx or a set or a complete bluff. Given that you dont get money by betting if he is on a bluff (although you mite get some $ from the snake in the grass)  and that you lose a ton by betting if he has a set, I dont really mind again just checking and calling, but then again, I dont mind betting here either.. although you would feel quite ill if he raised you up, and he has shown a real tendancy to do so, which is why I sway towards checking and letting him try and hang himself if he is bluffing, and lose less the times he has the feared set. If the maggot wasn't lurking in between, I would be more inclined to bet I think but that dude is a real mystery

I'd check call.

I think betting is bad for 2 reasons:

1) If he's been bluffing and holds nothing he is likely to pass and you miss out on any bet he'd make on the river
2) I'd absolutely hate a reraise here!

check call now

you might want to value bet but it might not be a value bet, and you will have to call reluctantly if it goes bet from you raise from him

I would forgo the opportunity to value bet here.

 No action from him now if he has been bluffing, and as you really have no idea what he has minimise potential damage. The range of outcomes here is skewed towards you checking


I also bet out on the flop and then proceed to showdown as cheaply as he allows me. At no point do I see a fold here.

 

Is it such a bad idea to fold on the flop/turn? I say this purely because you don't know how this guy has been playing and he is giving you the opportunity to see his cards. Then you can write lots of things about him in your player notes and then spend the next few hours taking your money back.

Ok i decided to lead out.....

[Apr 21 19:05:22] : Flush Royal bet $25
[Apr 21 19:05:25] : kingspr called $25
[Apr 21 19:05:31] : four40 called $25 and raised $100

I Insta-folded here, i felt he could only have a set. (well ok 2 seconds! i aint that quick at clicking!)

[Apr 21 19:05:33] : Flush Royal folded.
[Apr 21 19:05:48] : kingspr has 10 seconds to respond.
[Apr 21 19:05:58] : kingspr did not respond and is folded
[Apr 21 19:05:59] : Showdown!

Well there was an all in player so i got to see his hand...what has it?

  straight? or possibly Q,K

4-7?

33

And of course what about the river play?

Bet out and fold? Check call? Check raise?

Sorry I missed a stage - I also would check call the river, without doubt.

My money would be set, Q7 or QK.

Check-call, for the simple reason that there are better spots to put your $$ in with.


(Again I think the decisive point in this hand is the flop, where you must find out where you are.)

Check call.

If you lead out a reraise is too scary and less likely to be a bluff than if you let him bet after your check.

I don't think a worse hand will call if you check raise (maybe something like Q7 or K7 if he's made 2 pair on the end??) and a better hand isn't going to pass...

I think you folded the winning hand


did he have Qx?


the action on the river shows why check call was the lowest risk option...you can fold a lot of winning hands to a scary river re-raise

Well i figured he can only raise me with a set on the end so if i bet 25 i get out cheaper than if he fires out $50 say and i have to call. I was hoping i had outdrawn AQ/Qx for 2 pair.

He had a set of 7's as it happened.

Is this a difficult spot to avoid losing money?

   I don't think you could avoid losing money here,but like tightend and co said you could have lost a little less.

  I would have propably lost just as much if not more having played four40 before and then set about amending my notes on him lol...seems to have learnt to limp with pocket pairs since I last played him.

  One more thing Flushie four40 use to have a habit of getting overconfident and would then give back his winnings plus more on occasion.If you try trapping with a very strong hand he will pay you most times if he thinks he can push you of a hand.By folding on this occasion I think you have set this up for the future.

He min raised on the flop and then bet $16 into a $73 pot on the turn against 2 live opponents.  Either the guy doesen't know what he is doing or he has a set and is trying to suck you in.  I think you have to lead out on the turn to see where you are, otherwise check fold.  Why would he min raise on the flop if he had a Q ?  If he wanted to thin the field or find out where he was he would have made a much bigger bet. 

It is tempting to see your opponent as an idiot but most players understand that a min raise in a pot that size will be called.  Unless you are very sure of your opponent I would be very suspicious of such weak betting.  He could have an AQ but you would expect a raise pre flop.  If he had a 56 for a gutshot his play does not make sense as his raises would not push anyone off the hand.

The guy can see the Q on the board and is betting weakly into it and getting callers.  He must be able to beat a pair of Q's, so is it Q7, 33, or 77 ?  His turn bet is too small for a Q7 so my guess would be 77.

Lol yeah i tried that, he then took $250 from me when i got him good with QQ, his AA somehow won though!

  Ooooops..

 He must be on some roll at the moment.

 He is an aggresive player and isn't afraid to put his chips in the middle especially when he has had a good run of hands,but his good run will end but his aggression will not leaving him open for fleecing.

Well, what did he have?

I must learn to read properly, sorry.

I would have been inclined to bang in a Stopperbet similar to RF on the river for fear of him making the perfect river bet and me scratching my head wanting to see if he's telling porkies or not... 

My problem is looking for excuses to call and any dodgy bet here would have me trying to look him up :(

RF got the information he needed with the $25 bet and it's always good to know that regardless they have to show their cards because someone is all-in.  Players are aware of the fact they ave to show and it makes some reluctant to bluff for fear of being exposed..