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first level of a small MTT

Your plan first to act after the flop is here is what?

Please criticise my play where appropriate


Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: luvsDAhunnys (2060 in chips)
Seat 2: Prewie (1560 in chips)
Seat 3: FredoniaKid3 (1050 in chips)
Seat 4: arttheshark (1020 in chips)
Seat 5: MurrWolf (1620 in chips)
Seat 6: amigooo2002 (1390 in chips)
Seat 7: Guuner (1470 in chips)
Seat 8: wako dako (1930 in chips)
Seat 9: martin-king (1400 in chips)
wako dako: posts small blind 10
martin-king: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Prewie [Qh Qc]
luvsDAhunnys: folds
Prewie: raises 60 to 80
FredoniaKid3: folds
arttheshark: calls 80
MurrWolf: folds
amigooo2002: folds
Guuner: folds
wako dako: folds
martin-king: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7c Ac]
martin-king: checks
Prewie: bets 180
arttheshark: calls 180
martin-king: raises 180 to 360
Prewie: raises 1120 to 1480 and is all-in
arttheshark: calls 760 and is all-in
martin-king: folds
*** TURN *** [Kc 7c Ac] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7c Ac 7h] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Prewie: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
arttheshark: shows [Kh Tc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
arttheshark collected 2490 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2490 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 7c Ac 7h Th]
Seat 1: luvsDAhunnys folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Prewie showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 3: FredoniaKid3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: arttheshark showed [Kh Tc] and won (2490) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 5: MurrWolf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: amigooo2002 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Guuner (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: wako dako (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: martin-king (big blind) folded on the Flop

I bet martin-king folded the winner! 

If you hit it looks a good move and you go on with a healthy early chip lead on your table, you didn't and the move looks a bit over keen.   At the time you go all in, I'd wager your QQ is 3rd of 3 (with nut draw obv) and you already have the answer you are looking for, from martin-king, who is probably in front with an ace and no club.  I don't think its a move you need to make, but guess it was a low buy in tourney you either want to dominate , or get out of?

In short, because you lost it looks a bad move.  Had you won none of us would know you made it!

I'd have called the re-raise from martin-king (putting him on TP decent Kicker) and seen what the cards is/he does on turn.  You're not going to lose arttheshark because he also has a pair and a flush draw post flop, but calling would mean on the turn you will have a nervous martin-king and a shark who wont be getting pot odds to call if you make a move at that stage.  Or you can simply get out of the hand with a decent chunk of chips by check/folding.

3rd player folded AK he claimed afterwards


so how do you guys respond to my bet, flat call, small raise

then what?


Clearly I want to get chipped up or move on to other things, this influences my play here

Early stages of MTT-s are a pain in the butt. You never know whose there. In many the AK /if he had it/ would have been all in before the flop. And qq too. Your 4 x BB raise is spot on in normal play, but many don-t see this as strength and is easy to call for double up chancers.
Your 180 raise after the flop tests the water for A or K pairs or made flush and the re/raise is a worry. Maybe a call here is the best option as you have to think you might be behind, but have the nut flush draw. Even so the K 10 should have folded to your all in.

It is sometimes better to sit out the first 30 mins of MTTs as you can easily get caught both ways, as in this case. The in front AK folded to a possible flush and the more vulnerable KK called.

 

I would have checked behind on the flop (I hope). 

If you hit another club you have the nut flush and if he has a club in his hand you may make get some chips off him.  With AK on the board I just don't like leading out.  The best result if you lead out is he folds and you win a small pot.  If he has a club with a K or an A he calls or worse check raises.  If he doesn't have an A or K or a decent club he will fold, if he has a flush he is offering you the chance to outdraw him for free.

I'd check the flop and bet out the turn regardless if the other two had checked the flop. If there's a bet and a call, you can easily muck.

I like your move, too bad it didn't work (you were trying to get them to fold right?).

I like the bet on the flop to find out whether the Queens are currently good.  However, I don't like the answer I get in the form of a flat call and a small raise.  At that point I know I'm relying on hitting the flush draw to be good.  Also, its the early stages of an event so you've got little info on your opponents.  Consequently, there's no guarantee of any folding equity from a push.

Depending on my thoughts on the other players I'd either call the small raise and check/fold a non-club turn or get out there and then on the flop and preserve my chips for a better spot.

Sheriff

Knowing that if they called you still had outs.
You hadn't invested much tiume in the game so its chip up or move on.

SupaMonkey and the Whisper are right in my thought process

If the clown with the K and Tc hadn't called my all in (second pair and non nut flush draw) then the guy with AK insisted he still would have passed fearing the made flush/trips uand I would have had the folding equity I hoped I had

Yes, but that's with hindsight on this particular hand.  In this situation, how often can you feel sure?

Sheriff

I wasn't and I accept my line was overly aggressive.

Hence why I'm asking  8)

Martin-King supposedly had AK?

Supposedly yes.

Supposedly

I don't believe he had AK.

The correct play is definitely to call. Your opponents cannot make a mistake easily when you push all in. They will call instantly with 2pairs, sets and flushes all of which you can beat on the turn with very good pot odds to call. You might make the minimum raiser fold a bad ace but I doubt it. I would feel like he is going with this hand 95% after he minimum raises you and would assume I'm behind and take the profitable 5-1(or 6-1 if the other guys comes in with you both) pot odds you will get to hit the nut flush on the turn. With the plan to check fold on the turn if you dont get correct odds(At least 4-1 which you will rarely get) to see the river, in this particular example I think you will get a free check to the river usually. I feel this is the most profitable line of play in this particlar example.

Great to see you posting Tillerman.  :)up

Especially in the H/A board.

Thank you for your very sensible post Tillerman!


Nice to see you around these parts