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I just been looking at the tournament schedule for the next couple of months and half the tourney's are double chance!!!??? Seriously who likes these horrible things??

Give us all the chips at the start and let us play hmmmmmmmm.

Have to agree, they drag the comps out, and undo all the hardwork in the first 3 levels.

The only bonus is its easy to stack people for the first chance.

I disagree. The double chance makes a lot of hands unplayable. The 1st 2 levels should involve seeing lots of cheap flops and getting ALL their chips instead you get half.

It really is pants and i hope that they don't become the norm coz I like playing these events.

What i mean is that during the first 3 levels instead of stacking someone you only get half thier chips. This is a bit annoying as post addon's you are only 50% better off.

However it is easier to get those chips because players are a LOT loser.

And they do mean that comps go on for longer, leaving less play at the end.

I'm a fan of Double Chance tournaments - I like the strategy element it adds to the start as there are different ways it can be played.  Given that poker seems to be moving towards 90% NLHE events then there has to be some form of differentiating the events in a week long festival.

I prefer the format they adopt at Luton (have to be half original stack or less to get the 2nd lot) compared to that at, say, the Broadway where you can take the add-on straight away.  I don't see the point in offering this option - might as well make it a freezeout if you are.

Sheriff

DC tournaments are slightly better than normal rebuys. in rebuys you get more fish playing stupid hands knowing that if they lose the then have their bankroll to fall back on to have another go. DC's force people to play more poker and not treat it like a cr apshoot

Personally i dont care what format it is - provided i know well in advance. Rebuy, double chance, freezeout, fast blind structure, slow blind structure. If you are good enough you can adjust your game and adapt to your surroundings - what difference does it make?
 

bankroll ???  :D

Not really because if you have good bankroll management then you wouldnt be playing in the tournament in the first place if it could seriously damage it.

And if you are playing in a rebuy tournament you need the discipline to get up and walk away if you feel that rebuying is not going to be beneficial to your chances of cashing in a tournament.

The three key foundations a profitable MTT player needs: Patience, Discipline and Good Bankroll Management

The problem with double chance tournamnets is that the majority of casinos only let you have your second allocation of cips when you lose your first lot.

You should be allowed your chips whenever you desire them. Adds to the strategy.

agreed - thats the original double chance theory but it seems to have been butchered recently in favour of a more conservative approach

Walsall let you take them whenever you want, after the first hand

IMHO, this is the salient point in this discussion

at walsall you have to be below 50% of your starting stack( unless they have changed that now)

out of interest, assuming we are playing a DC where you can take your chips immediately should you so wish, what is considered optimal strategy?


take them immediately? or is it dependent on player style..rock/loose etc?

I always take mine straight away, i always want to have the most chips at a table. Also if someone else takes there double chance straight away i want to get the maximum number of chips possible if i hit a big hand.

Ok, so sometimes i'll hit the big hand and lose - but thats the chance i take, c'est la vie!!

It depends.....

what has the rest of your table done? How good/bad are the players at your table? When will your table break?

yes ok?

so how would these matters influence your decision?

If no-one else has i do not see the point.....

If my table is tough and might break first then i would rather wait.

If i have a weak table and some of them have taken it then i will be taking it aswell.

Flushy dear boy have you learnt nothing?

The optimum strategy for double chance freezeout play is

Heads, I take them - Tails, I don't............ ;goodvevil;

In an unlimited rebuy event it is correct 'theory' to take an immediate rebuy thus maximising the impact of any double up you get.  This would point towards taking an immediate top-up in a double chance event.

This is exactly why I don't like the rule allowing immediate top-up in DC events.  If everyone played the theoretically correct way they would all top-up and turn the event into a freezeout!

Sheriff

correct if given the chance to take them straight away i will, i prefer a DC that doesnt allow you the option untill after you dip below 50% but i do prefer a straight freezeout to a DC but a DC has a great selling point for those of us that travel a long way for a little poker and that is you normally get more than 1 hand for all those traveling and accomedation expenses

I like the quadruple chance blonde bash events.

correct strategy being?

But what if you never actually go below your starting stack (or as low as the required value to request your second chance)? Then you are given the chips at the end of the "double chance period" when the face value of the chips is a lot smaller than at the beginning of the tournament as now there are more chips in play.

I'd rather take the chips when they are worth more to me and allow me to use them as leverage against the tight players who wont take their double chance until they have to.

I think you should be allowed to take the second chance whenever you feel like as this will result in a greater number of different strategies being played. Being restricted to when you can take your second chance diminishes this number.

correct stratigy is to build your stack early or if you lose some early make sure you lose a few more so you dip under the 50% where those chips lost on purpose give you chips which are worth more

if you understand that then you are a better man than me but i know what i was trying to say

While it may be tempting to get your extra chips from Chilli, you might want to consider getting them offa Tikay instead.

He might forget hes given them to you and you can get a pentuple chance.

But those 'tight' players might well be more prepared to gamble on, say, a naked flush draw with those 1st chips than they would do in a freezeout.  Therefore your 'leverage' is actually 'value' to someone who takes this view.

Sheriff

Unless you're upstairs - the guys downstairs will kill you if you ask Tikay for chips.

I don't like them but if we can take the chips at the start then that's ok. I won a doule chance tourney in blackpool and was very happy with my early strategy as you could choose to take them whenever. I had Lawrence Gosney on my left and he is tough to play so i waited until he lost half his chips and THEN I took my double chance. If all were like Blackpool then I woudn't mind but the Luton style 50% or less one is not very good in my opinion as its like you are waiting 2 levels to start playing properly.

I think the odd DC tourney would be ok but when 3 touraments in a week is that format it's a bit much in my opinion and yes Flushy is right I think the play of people with the 1st lot of chips is dreadful.