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Title: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Maroon on July 25, 2005, 09:48:38 AM
What does everyone play in cash games?

What is the deciding factor?


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Junior Senior on July 25, 2005, 11:19:29 AM
I only play No Limit Holdem in cash games as i believe this to be my best game.  You don't tend to get many pot limit cash games live and the ones on the net are few and far between as no limit is obviously the most popular.  Limit cash for me is an absolute NO NO! - i would rather systematically remove my own toe nails with a pair of pliers than play limit.  It is boring, it is invariably a game of best hand wins and it frustates the shit out of me.  However if a total beginner it is the best game to learn and to play from the off before progressing to pot limit and no limit.  The biggest consideration when selecting a cash game must surely be the table you have - if you know it to be full of poorer players than yourself then go ahead and sit down but if you can see one or two good players that you know will be difficult to beat then go for another game - it is nice to pit your whits against a better or successful player but really what you want is a game you can beat and if that means playing against novices then so be it. - gl


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: redsimon on July 25, 2005, 12:09:44 PM
I've long been of the opinion that a skilfull player can make more money playing Limit Poker, especially Limit O8. Its probably true that bad players will go broke quicker in NL and PL games and then the games become no flop unless two big hands are dealt which is infinitely more boring. Its also easier to maintain your bankroll. (Probably 'cos I suck at PL and NL)  :D


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2005, 12:18:29 PM
Cash games in UK casinos are Pot limit

I myself play small stakes limit cash online and regular PL cash live

I shy away from NL cash online because I prefer to (if it comes to it) do my money slowly rather than be outmuscled and having to guess for my  I sat down with and then having to pull up to get it back if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm a bit timid.

I enjoy limit cash online....at small stakes your big hands get paid off I find by people calling you down ther streets with second/third pair, A rag etc. The key is starting hand discipline so you are not hitting parts of flops and being compelled to see a hand through when you don't really want to.



Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Scottish Dave on July 25, 2005, 01:03:10 PM
maybe im on my own here, but i don't ever play cash games at all, ive played a few tables when i first started playing poker, a while ago, but never have since, all i play is tourneys.

Is anyone else like this, or am i alone....and strange lol


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: snoopy1239 on July 25, 2005, 01:32:52 PM
I agree that Limit can be a dull and frustrating affair. However, I can see the skill factor involved. Due to the betting limitations, the game becomes much more mathematical and less reliant on reads, bluffing, etc. Personally, I say stuff the maths! Give me the buzz of bluff any day.  :D


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: BrumBilly on July 25, 2005, 02:56:05 PM
My only experience of cash games has been the 25PL at Star City (I don't play Omaha). I've only played in it 3 times and didn't enjoy it despite being ahead (I keep records). I won't play in that game again. The main reason for this is the blind structure. There's no big blind...both blinds are 1 which, to my mind, creates a 'bingo like' situation where 8 out of 10 players call preflop so it's not really my cup of tea. I'm just not comfortable when having to guess who's got what EVERY.

If I had deeper pockets then I might consider it but I'd much prefer it to be NO LIMIT then if someone wants to call a raise of 24 'just because they have 42os in their hand' (yes this happened!..no names) then let it be potentially for their whole stack and if they call my all in and outdraw me fair do's...

Having said that, my best tourn results have been in PL so the crux of the matter for me is the lack of a BB.

If anyone knows why they don't have a BB then I'd like to hear about it...esp when people can introduce a BB by 'betting blind'.....

Cheers.




Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Maroon on July 25, 2005, 07:26:58 PM
A reasonable mix of views so far.  Any more?


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: MrMoves on July 25, 2005, 07:57:57 PM
I've started to play more Limit online these days as it's such easy money, but it is very boring at times.  I only ever play No Limit tournaments on and off line.

Pot limit I just cannot get into.

BrumBilly, what is Star City like for poker.  Last time I went there was nothing on, do they have a regular schedule?


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: ifm on July 25, 2005, 08:37:28 PM
thursdays 10
Fridays 20
Not very good at all, loads of peeps have been once or twice and won't go again.
Ante structure gets steep too quickly and the overall standard of play is terrible, should be renamed badbeat city.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Karabiner on July 25, 2005, 09:51:55 PM
I only play No Limit Holdem in cash games as i believe this to be my best game.  You don't tend to get many pot limit cash games live and the ones on the net are few and far between as no limit is obviously the most popular.  Limit cash for me is an absolute NO NO! - i would rather systematically remove my own toe nails with a pair of pliers than play limit.  It is boring, it is invariably a game of best hand wins and it frustates the shit out of me.  However if a total beginner it is the best game to learn and to play from the off before progressing to pot limit and no limit.  The biggest consideration when selecting a cash game must surely be the table you have - if you know it to be full of poorer players than yourself then go ahead and sit down but if you can see one or two good players that you know will be difficult to beat then go for another game - it is nice to pit your whits against a better or successful player but really what you want is a game you can beat and if that means playing against novices then so be it. - gl

Many players including Devilfish any too many top American pro's to mention consider limit-holdem the MOST skillfull discipline.

According to those experts no-limit is third and pot-limit somewhere in between.

It may not be to everyone's taste, but limit is universally accepted as the most demanding.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: BrumBilly on July 26, 2005, 12:13:07 AM
Just to add to add something about Star City....the antes DO go up too quickly and Wed is to be avoided if u've got to travel any distance (I'm local so cycle :) . Thursday night has fewer runners and a marked reduction in the ten quid rebuy merchants...

For my money, the Broadway takes some beating though I've only been 3 times and NEVER finished in the money.

There are currently satellites being played for the big comp at Star City this Autumn 100k guarenteed to the winner. Will post details later in the week if anyone's interested as I haven't got a flyer to hand.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: dan on July 26, 2005, 12:23:06 AM
i think the satellites at star city are a 10 rebuy to go through to the next round which is then a 100 rebuy to go through to the final which is a 1000 buy in. i think the satellites are a saturday for the 10 then if you go through you then play on the sunday. the grand final i think is in september. personally i do not recommend it. i played in the 10 rebuy on a saturday because i was up there. there was 10 runners you had 2 hour re buys and 1000 starting chips with the blinds starting at 50/100.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: dan on July 26, 2005, 12:27:03 AM
Not very good at all, loads of peeps have been once or twice and won't go again.
Ante structure gets steep too quickly and the overall standard of play is terrible, should be renamed badbeat city.


i am one of these people who have played a couple of times and wont go back. it is the worst poker i have ever played.
if you are close to star city you might aswell go up to the grosvener walsall it is much better


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: ifm on July 26, 2005, 12:30:51 AM
it is closest for me but i will always go to walsall or the broadway, the latter being very good, i really like the broadway but they change the comps what seems like every few weeks which is a little frustrating but the standard is high and nice folks.......besides i've won there and finalled 3 times out of 6!!
Ian


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: jbsc7769 on July 26, 2005, 12:41:18 AM
Until recently, I was a dreadful cash player. I only played limit. I do well at Sit & Go's. I have now moved to NL cash games and I have to say, my results have improved beyond words. I was making a loss everytime I played Limit. I was just not good enough. Since moving over to No Limit, I am making decent profits now. I echo Juniors thoughts.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Karabiner on July 26, 2005, 01:51:28 AM
I'm not saying that limit poker is necessarily the most enjoyable form of the game.

Just the format where skill is a larger factor, if you are willing to put in the hours.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: MrMoves on July 26, 2005, 11:50:57 AM
I play NL cash still just find Limit cash very easy... that or I'm just very lucky (something which has been mentioned previously).  I wouldn't play a Limit tournament though, what a grind that would be.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: jbsc7769 on July 26, 2005, 11:55:20 AM
Hi Karabiner. I used to believe that limit was more skillful than No limit. I am not sure I do now. At least not at levels much below 10/20. Under this people seem to call with absolutley anything. Moving above it, people seem to play the game properly. Unfortunately, most people play below that level.
The skills required to play No Limit are very different to that of Limit.


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: Karabiner on July 26, 2005, 12:35:04 PM
I know what you mean jbsc.

It is necessary to make some adjustments for low-limit games.

"Low limit holdem" and "Small stakes holdem" examine the subject pretty thoroughly.

K


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: TightEnd on July 26, 2005, 01:15:32 PM
Under this people seem to call with absolutley anything. Moving above it, people seem to play the game properly.


surely this is the attraction of milking the low level limit games? a bit like going to the cashpoint once a day and it then not appearing on the statement that follows

ok it can be like watching paint dry, but stick the tv on/ favourite music/surf the net and grind away


Title: Re: Limit, Pot Limit or No Limit?
Post by: jbsc7769 on July 26, 2005, 05:48:36 PM
I understand your comments TightEnd but from my experience (limited though!), even with AA, it was hard to get paid with it as a raise would be greeted with 80% callers! The bottom line is, I was not good enough to play any level at limit poker.
I am pleased to report I just had another successful session at No Limit though! Perhaps later I will try a bigger limit and see how I fair. It was interesting watching Layne Flack playing $10/$20 in room "Larson" on Full Tilt (now).