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I was playing at Cincinnati today and had this accident. I volunteered during the FO stage to deal, as no one else wanted to do it. Anyway I picked up A's UTG and limped. The flop comes K high. 1st pos raises big, I move all in and he calls. In this time I collected the remainder of the cards and in the process managed to muck my A's after all my chips were in. Technically the hand is dead, i accept this, but surely the decent thing to do is split the pot. I asked what happens and was told your hand is dead I get your chips. I was severly peed off as this would not have happened if I wasn't dealing, I won't be doing it again. Fergus (comp director) said after, he might have been able to negotiate a split if I had told him, but my full table agreed so i just got up and left the table. What would you do in this situation?

Kick the table over and blow a rasberry at the lot of em.

no criminal damage or affray there boss,ITS ART

There's no "technically" about it. The hand is dead. It's your responsibility to protect your cards. Just walk away and learn the lesson.  Tough luck tho.

From the other guys point of view he could feel you saw his hand, saw you were losing and then tried to pull a fast one.

dead as the dodo.

If the TD allowed you to get chips out of that pot then he is a poor TD imo

Cards are totally dead..if you are dealing or playing in a self deal you MUST use a card protector, even if it is just a chip

Seen this happen in the Stanley a few weeks back as well.

IMO the onus should be with the establishment to provide dealers if they are taking a rake or charging juice but thats another issue as far as your hand goes unfortunately for you the hand is dead and theres no way back.

In the Stanley the TD negotiated a split pot also only after consulting with the players involved.  Personally I think that was good TD'ing!  Obviously some on here don't agree.

Problem is if he does this one time, why not the next? I think if you ask the top TD's this is 1 area where they all agree

I can see where your going Flushy but on both the occasions in question it looks like the players involved have had to deal because the house never had enough dealers to cover the tables.  This is unnaceptable if they are taking a rake. 

If anyone has played the Stanley in Glasgow then I'm sure they would agree that Andy the card room manager is a class operator and there is no messing about with him and he always seems to do whats best for the players he speaks with the players and makes surer their is a consensus before making any rash decisions.

Self deal or Dealer dealt it is the players responsibility to protect his cards

I wouldn't want to see a split in any comp I was in....

I aggree that regardless of the dealer situation the onus is on the player to protect their cards, I will however state that on many occassions I have seen people do this and I have been decent enough to allow them to take back their last raise all in, IMO its better to play fair than to angle shoot.

THe rules state that his cards are dead, although a gentlemanly thing to do is to offer the last raise back and take the meat of the pot, there is no reason to bust someone out in such an unfortunate way.

My 2 cents

I'm with Billy on this one. Yeah it's wrong, of course it is, that's an easy decision, but I don't need to win so bad that I take advantage of a pals mistake, especially when he's agreed to deal in order to keep the game going.

Stanley comp charges £1 as a registration fee, and doesn't advertise itself as being a dealers provided tournament. House dealers are rotated so that they do stints on all tables.

I don't believe this is unacceptable, rather good value in fact.

Bang on IMO