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Having just read the latest list from the wsop it is apparent that yet again women dont feature very highly on the winners list.

My questions is - is it really worth women playing poker except to provide money for a tournament. There is no doubt that most women play poker differenly to men - the last womens comp I was in was a limpers fest a lot of the time.

So i want to know what men think when they see that one of the players at their table is a bird. This isn't about equality - I really want to know what you guys think when you play a woman - is it an opportunity to bluff a weak player off the pot, do you automatically think they are a weak player?

This isn't a woe is me topic - I really want to know what you think - don't give me any rubbish about all players being equal - we all make assumptions/have discriminatory thoughts at some time - even if it's about someones breath - so tell me honestly what your thoughts are about female players.

Ding

 

In general i have found most women players to be weak tight. I steal their blinds relentlessly the same as i would against weak tight male player. If they raise they have something is my starting assumption always and i can't remember being proved wrong very often.

I think genrally women players lack the gamble gene and would rather get blinded away than put their chips in with junk.

Have you ever come across a woman who isn't tight weak?

Just one, who i have played a few times in walsall. I haven't played many women in larger buy in tournaments (live) so assume i haven't played many skilled women players.

In my experience a lot of "rookie" lady players in the live arena are weak tight too...and certainly portray an air of reticence and absence of aggression. They tend to "nut peddle" and you can put them on a hand reasonably easily.

Interestinyl this was also my experience of watching the Laddies ladies event on Sky recently....a lot of the inexperienced players played this way too. Perhaps in Ladies only comps the Ladies play a different way?

However once this rookie level is passed I see no real difference. I play against successful "no name" female players and they compete night after night on an equal basis and that's the way it should be

To take one example on the festival circuit, being on the same table as Lucy Rokach is a real clench your poker buttocks experience. relentless aggression and a stare that would melt solid steel.

On the global stage no one is going to tell me that you sit opposite Kathy Liebert, Annie Duke, Jennifer Harman etc and not totally respect them and their play

This was pretty much what i was going to post.

I think theres a big difference between online and live play for women.

My mates girlfriend is a great online player, he's a very good player and she's learned a lot from him but she never seems to be able to translate that form to her live game.

She's comfortable in our company and knows everyone in our home game really well but for some reason she loses the qualities that make her a good online player as soon as the game starts.

I agree - so what is it that we loose when we get to the table? Do we have more of a sense of being found out/embarrassment if our bluffs are uncovered? Do women want to tell the truth more? What makes men more comfortable to bluff/be aggressive? Do men give a flying FXXXK if their bluff is uncovered?

It is of course dangerous to generalise, but I think ladies can be intimidated more easily at beginner level and thus "clam up"

Men are too busy being completely lacking in self awareness to notice!

I think a lot of people don't respect Annie "Angle Shooter" Duke.

The internet has opened the door to women poker players who wouldn't have dreamed of going into a casino and learning how to play. Just got to give them time to work their way up.

I suspect that if women are more empathetic than men? Then they may be able to use that to get better reads and at some point the best players in the world will be women.

My other half is coming along but my atempts to instill an aggression in her at the table have caused her to develop the motto 'play the game' at which point she bluffs off all her chips quite often. It's still a step in the right direction tho.

Trace, I have had you on my table (so to speak) a few time now, I have some thoughts, not on women players in general, but on your game in particular.

I'm off to Luton soon, are you going? If not, I will drop you a PM when I get a little time.

I am starting to suspect that you may be a closet lesbian  ::)

Dunno about Tighty, but I think I may be..... ;goodvevil;

sorry, that one whooshed me Karabiner!

Just a guess, but I suspect it's a pun on the fact that you are self-aware enough to make that observation

got ya  8)

Might pop in to see the ones sensible enough to get their tickets ahead of time.......if not a pm would be great - thanks!

In a way I understand what you are saying Tracey, however......

I find it is usually the younger players or the sad old (local) men that attempt to outplay me in live games, but armed with this insite i can allow the lovely chaps to build up my stack, as when i catch them they are so easy to reel in they pay me off big time. I used to really let it get to me ,thinking every male out there was out to get my chips because they think of me as weak/woman.....but then hey.. guess what...every PERSON IS out there trying to get.. not only my chips.. but every one else's chips in the  game. If i think a certain person is raising me a bit too often,I shove it all in..  if i am right i then show him the 8 2 off..that's poker,.

I usually find this happens more so in the smaller weekly games opposed to the larger buy in events, where i don't do too badly  when i get chance to play in them. Once I show them I am willing to take the gamble they usually back off, if not tough titties, I will get thier chips eventually.

ive rate two women players ,(who iv played with ,) i mean beeen on the same table with

the nun is a very good player who is very aggressive .

maria is a player who is not frieghtend to put a re raise in on a bluff .

both very good players indeed.

Vinnie baby.. how are you.. long time no bittie...x

im not bad considering ,hows the grand bairn ,hope every thing is ok .

bitty whats bitty ,its been that long ,nice to hear from you.

I don't get it.

I my 'Live' life I have faced Clare Smith, AJ's good lady, The Nun, Jen and Lizzy(147) - all very scary in a poker sense.  Are they not all this good?

My main home game has two regular ladies, one a new member who is tight aggressive and proving to be a winner and my misses who is quickly turning into the rubdown king, (We need an etiquette chat) and she cash's regularly.

IMO women are bloody hard work around the poker table.

Having read this to Mrs Kor apparently  "once you get the aggression thing sorted it's all about logic and women just are not aggressive or logical its a good job men are prone to mistakes"


Nakor walks away shaking his head at the thought of Mrs Kor not being aggressive - if only.

Don't know the stats for this, but isn't it a numbers game ie there is a minority of women in the wsop and therefore unlikley that there will be many ladies at the top of the tree.
I have met and lost to some good lady players and have also lost to Claw75  :D and it is only a matter of time before a lady wins a big tournie.
I would be interested to see a tournie which is split in numbers between men and women rather than having a few token women and see what happens.
They did try the battle of the sexes on tv in the states which they showed on Challenge TV. Can't remember what happened but it wasn't that serious a competition.

The 'Battle of the Sexes' I saw on TV had the Men winning every heat, but a woman (Kathy Liebert) won the final for the ladies' team.

I think the Nuns point about everyone wanting everyone else chips is a good one - it's not just about men picking on women.
Met Reddog at Luton tonight and he said the same thing - "get the fact that they are men out of your head". The fact that I play poker to play with the men   ::) makes this difficult to do but I will do my best......

It's all about poker and playing poker to the same standard or better as the others irrespective of gender.

Reddogs quote of the night "When a woman comes over the top of you it's quite scary". I for one can only imagine .....although that image of Mrs Reddog is now scorched into my mind.... 8)

I said, Get the fact that you are a woman out of your head.

Why you no rissen?

LOL - did you really??? Blimey - there is no hope!  Sorry!

I haven't played many live games but I must admit I found it VERY scary sitting round a table full of men and the fear of making a fool of myself made me play much more tight/aggressive than I would when playing online.

The last game I played was in a pub and I was told that there were several woman who played regular and why not come along.

One night I thought, why not, give it a go.

I walked into this pub (that I had never been in before) and not one woman in sight, about 50 blokes all staring at me as if I had horns.

So I sits down at my table and there was total silence and im thinking just go to the loo and climb out the window  :D

I say HI to break the ice and asked all there names which eased the atmosphere a bit.

So im sitting there folding hand after hand, hands I would normally play online and im getting my blinds nicked left right and centre. Ive spotted a couple of players have been knocked out and im thinking you are just going to blind out if you dont make a move.

Next hand i got QQ and I thought to myself you are sat at a table online, these are not real people, just play it as you would online and I tripled up knocking 2 out  8)

After that I was okay, I was bullying big time and I could see the relief on their faces when the table broke up and i was CL woohoo.

Got moved to another table and again they just all stared at me like I had just landed from Mars. Any raise I made they all folded though so at least I had respect LOL

I made it to the last 2 tables with a healthy stack and went allin on a KQ9 flop with 99, unfortunatly matey boy had J 10 so it was goodnight and gg to me but I could see the relief on their faces when I was beat hehe.

I spoke to a young chap who was sat on the second table afterwards and he said well done etc and he said "When you were moved to my table I couldnt take my eyes off your huge stack"

Boy did he turn pink when his mates burst out laughing  rotflmfao

Dear Ding

at the start of anybodies live experiences nerves are going to be there. I myself was so nervous that I had to wrap my foot round the chair leg to stop it shaking and all I was doing at the time was shuffling.
As regards the women's showing in the WSOP I think it is just an anomaly.
As regards being able to take your chips at the table. I know plenty of blokes at Luton it is far easier to take chips from.

What he said

A agree if it's the chips that come with a burger - no ones getting those!  Bit like the ones RTighty had with his dinner last night - didn't offer me one!

They don't call him Tight for nothing!

the first few times i played live i was nervous,but now i dont care who im playing against.if you concentrate on the hands and play to the best of your ability i dont think it matters if your a woman.
i would hope that i have just as much respect as anyone else in the cardroom where i play.i cash regulary,and think i have progressed as a player.being a woman can have its advantages though,men asume you have the nuts ;)

How about http://strippoker.paddypower.com/register.php (http://strippoker.paddypower.com/register.php): it is a £10,000 winner-takes-all freeroll and they want 100 men and 100 women.  Unfortunately I'm busy on that date but I'm trying to persuade Mrs MrsLime to go.

Mrs MrsLime?

Just how many X chromosomes is it possible for one person to have...? :dontask:

all women are "rubbish"  :D  ;goodvevil;

Of course its worth women playing poker.

Luton festival this week had about 4 or 5 lady players. Me, Chili, Staskia (bambos wife) , Amanda and a luton regular player

I don't care who I accumulate my chips off but I will gladly flirt at all opportunities if it wins me chips and at least i'm having fun whilst doing that

I would say my style has changed from weak tight, to tight agressive and I have no problems in re-reraising an opponent when I think they have rubbish.  Did it about 6 times last night at luton and bubbled but still won a saver and was proud with my performance , went out with lively cards in the attempt to double up and get me to final table in a strong position but after I hit , they rehit so luck was out, but hell I didn't mind going out with 2 4 off, it makes other opponents more aware that i'll gamble :)  and 2 cashes in 3 festival tournies i'm proud of

Plus I think we can calm or waken up a table ;)

Jennifer Harman is probably in top 5 of the best players in the world in my opinion.

I strongly disagree there are some fantastic female poker players and it will only be a matter before one wins the world series.

I think there is plenty of great women poker players in the uk, its just a shame that we get bad press when you see these celebity womens comps with the models and actresses playing that dont have a clue!
Put the real women poker players on there it would be well worth the watch.
As for women are weak and wont reraise without nothing is rubbish, did you see Mel when she took on Gus Hanson? i dont think theres alot of men that would have made that move!!!

 ;iagree;

i hate it when they have these women celebrities on to.its a bad representation of women in poker

Whenever I play a lady player they always seem to know when I'm at it.  I never even consider bluffing them anymore.

I refrain from comment.. I thought this was a poker forum!

 :o

Interesting thread... I have to say that Tighty sums up the often-true generalisation about beginnners of both sexes absolutely perfectly. 
Can't say much more than that.

As for playing better players in bigger things - top players aren't top players because they insta-categorise their opponents.  It's a cliche, and no longer fully true, that women have an 'advantage as the men think I'm weak - ahahah little do they know!'  Out of the beginner environment, many players have been around long enough to know that surface information is just that, and don't give the ladies any credit one way or another, until their betting patterns and mannerisms give the kind of information that IS actually useful. 

It might hurt one's wallet, after all, to bring gender preconceptions to a table on which lies a great deal of money.

Put any male from this forum on a table with Cyndie Violette (snooops said it best in his wsop coverage), jen, isabelle, Jen harman, Mel,  cathy (mad martys' better half), vanessa rousso ect and they would be outmatched. To say women all play the same way is a sexist generalisation that will lead to you losing your chips very quickly.
What would I think if I was in this lineup? I would be probably be wondering what some of them looked like naked...then again I'm just an old perv and would lose my chips quicker than most  :D

so now genralisation is a bad thing?

Yes, generally

Nothing more sexist than women's only comps.

Is that on the balance of probability? 8)

Sounds like a sweeping statement to me...

Look, ive got an A-level law book stuffed down the back of the electric coboured, dont make me bring it out!!!!!!!!!!!!  8)

(my spelling of coboured is soooooooooooooo wrong the spell checker cant even come come up with an applicable anlternate)!!!

thats the level we're working on here!!!!

cupboard

what colour is it? your thinking of the wrong one, thats why you've spelled it wrong.

No wonder I can't keep up

this is how I prefer my women - weak and tight

Folks,

Leaving all genetic arguments aside. How many of the 8773 entries in the WSOP Main Event were female?

Maybe that will help explain a few of the male domination misconceptions.

But, meanwhile, take a look at this for a final table!!!!! http://www.blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/3213 Thats what I call domination.

 ;)

Mike

I played with vanessa russo on most of my day 2 in the 5k shorthanded event and she was the trickiest opponent i had faced so far, except hallingoll. She was always looking to be in the action, and we had a fair few battles once i got chips, thank god lindgren knocked her out, :-)

Didnt i take a few pots off you once when we played at Brighton in feb???

Yep, I think your memory serves you correctly, it may appear that women are my achillies heel, the perils of being a man

same here Pab..if women covered up their boobies more then I'd be able to concentrate better

Oh god thats why i have been doing well.... and i thought i was a good player too :D

I am looking at the Luton updates and think, Tracey, you have answered the question yourself.

I was thinking of posting that all day mate but I didn't want to BOK her. 

why do u think we don't keep em covered up :)

:D I'm planning on investing in a new balconette for BB3 ;D

haha good girl :)  i just bought mine off figleaves ,  they'll be resting on my chin  haha

Im investing my poker winnings for a boob job, how 40 E Sound ??? only one size up more.... do u think stallon would like a heads up challenge then ...lol

Here, have my chips!

I think a boob job costs a bit more than whatever chips you've got Robert :D

Not offering to pay, just guessing what will happen when the deed is done, however if I am on your, and your balconette's table first, there may be nothing left to give to ruth. I am easily distracted.

lol we know :)

It's not my fault, it's in my jeans.

This clearly belongs on the bad pun thread

Just a reminder if I'm ever on your table girls, I'm a leg man!