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Title: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Woodsey on September 08, 2006, 02:24:39 AM
I'm very sceptical about possible cheating in live play, so I did search on t'internet.

http://cardshark.us/shop_frs.shtml

Is this stuff a gimmick or could someone use it? If it works do we need to ban the use of sunglasses?

I'm pretty naive about this sort of stuff, i there anything else I need to watch for?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: bolt pp on September 08, 2006, 02:28:23 AM
I can confirm they're real!!!

I bought 4 of the x-ray tables last week and have taken my pals for over 20k, i seem to have a lot less hair this week though :dontask:



Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: CelticGeezeer on September 08, 2006, 03:33:02 AM
Depending on the gullibility of your opponents almost anything is possible.  ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Woodsey on September 09, 2006, 12:21:52 AM
I'm slightly concerned by the lack of commets, does it mean everyone knows about this nut are keeping quiet?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: bolt pp on September 09, 2006, 12:26:51 AM
no, this is because the concept of cheating at poker doesn't appeal to people.

Where are you going to use these tables for example, at home with your mates? you wouldn't do it to them would you?

so would you find them at somewhere like the gutshot club or bigslick, NO!!!!

so where are they going to be used?

The site is a joke!!! hence youve recieved few responses


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: thetank on September 09, 2006, 12:33:26 AM
I've heard of the daub/sunglasses thing in books only.

No anecdotal knowledge of it going on in the UK.

That either means it doesn't happen, or the people who do it are very good at it.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: DazzaT on September 10, 2006, 07:45:38 PM
Marking cards has been around for years, hense the old style green visor of dealers and the coloured card-mucks in casinos, these were used so the honest people could see if the cards were being 'dubbed' with paint/powder not visable to the naked eye.

I dont think, being an ex-croupier myself, that it's being done anymore as if you ARE caught, you're just about half way to prison.

Dont worry, you can sleep safe in your bed knowing the cards are fair.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: boldie on September 10, 2006, 09:34:27 PM
2100$ for a pair iof sunglasses?...yeah that'll happen.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: bolt pp on September 10, 2006, 09:37:02 PM
2100$ for a pair iof sunglasses?...yeah that'll happen.

especially when you can pick up moody raybans for a tenner


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Mr. Pink on October 29, 2006, 08:11:56 PM
Sorry to jump in like this. I am Mr. Pink, from CARDSHARK Online, the site discussed in this thread. I found this thread while I was checking my site stats, to see where the hits are coming from.

I will try to address some of your questions.

First of all, yes, there is cheating in poker, and other card games. I personally play cards several times per week, and I always cheat to get the money. However, I hardly ever use any of the products that I sell in my online store. I have been doing this for long enough to know how to handle the deck, your deck, during your deals, and/or during my deals. It really doesn't matter who shuffles, cuts, or deals, I have a system for every situation. The techniques that I use are virtually undetectable, as it is all over before anyone has time to realize anything had happened, and there is no evidence on me.

Bottom line, I don't gamble. I just play for the money, and at the end of the game I am one of the guys that takes some of the money home.

Before you call me a bastard, I am going to briefly mention that I do have my own set of standards for ranking suckers. If you are a good guy, honest and straight, you have nothing to worry about. In fact, you may be lucky to have me in your game because not only will I keep you out of harm's way, I will even make sure you get to be one of those who will take some money home. But if you are a jerk, if you have a loud mouth, or if you are unpleasant in any other way, you will have to borrow a couple of bucks at the end of the night, so you can take a bus home. Fortunately, there is no lack of jerks in the world.

Enough about that.

I have clients all over the world who buy my products. I can't say any names, but there is at least one (now) famous poker player that uses my products. What? Did you think that all those guys on TV win it on the square? C'mon, guys!

The Black Predator glasses work as described on my site. However, there is a lot of misinformation about those kind of products, so people don't really have realistic expectations. This is actually a good thing for those who use these types of gaffs because the suckers never really know what the real stuff looks like. There are many types of luminous systems out there. I've tested them all (systems sold in the US, Europe, Asia...) and I have to say that none of them use the technology that the Black Predators use.

The X-ray table is also an exclusive product that no one else sells. Clients that buy that table are not the type of guys that host low-stakes games in their garages. My last client that bough this table runs a crooked cardroom in Cairo. The one before that used it to take down some rich basketball players somewhere in the US. I have clients in Switzerland, Belgium, Austria and some other places.

Cheating in poker is more common than most people realize. I recently caught a cheat in a private game. He switched his cards on me. I saw him do it, but I still called his raise just to see what he had. In other words I paid for the information. It turns out he had aces, and there was an ace on the flop. What had really happened was that he had been waiting for the moment when an ace would show up on the board, so he could switch his hand for the two aces he was holding out. Anyway, I let him have that pot, then I re-bought enough chips to take him down in one hand and waited for my opportunity. Within less than 15 minutes I had him on a double duke. That is when I set up the deck for him to get a bad beat. I don't really want to describe the exact hands because he may also find this thread by chance; and I like to keep a low profile.

So, to recap... Yes, the stuff I sell works. Yes, the stuff I sell is actually used in games out there. But, no, you don't need any of that stuff to take down the games.


link removed


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: lvlarc_uk on October 29, 2006, 08:22:36 PM
ahem, bullshit.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: byronkincaid on October 29, 2006, 08:27:19 PM
hope you get caught and someone kicks the shit out of you


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Pab on October 29, 2006, 08:33:24 PM
funniest post ive read in ages mr pink, thanks for the entertainment. Sales pitch needs working on though, im not ordering any x-ray glasses anytime soon.

i usually just get a good friend of mine superman to lurk round my table, uses his x ray vision to see the cards then he tells me with the power of the mind


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: booder on October 29, 2006, 08:36:28 PM
hope you get caught and someone kicks the shit out of you

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: bhoywonder on October 29, 2006, 09:03:57 PM
very entertaining


do u do bulk sales?

im looking for a discount


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Mr. Pink on October 29, 2006, 09:32:44 PM
Thank God there's never a shortage of suckers.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: lvlarc_uk on October 29, 2006, 09:36:11 PM
If for instance what he sells is real, could he be prosecuted?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: mikkyT on October 29, 2006, 09:43:00 PM
Really shouldn't be worrying about the stuff he sells....


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: thetank on October 29, 2006, 09:44:50 PM

Did you think that all those guys on TV win it on the square? C'mon, guys!


Tell us more Alfonso, tell us more.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: CelticGeezeer on October 30, 2006, 12:52:13 AM
Yawn !


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 10:39:00 AM

Way to go Mr Pink. Not, I'd say, yer average blonde........

Takes all sorts, eh?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Mr. Pink on October 30, 2006, 02:11:03 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: booder on October 30, 2006, 02:15:34 PM
i had a pretty good weekend thanks





Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 02:19:34 PM
i had a pretty good weekend thanks





!


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Mr. Pink on October 30, 2006, 02:45:51 PM
Takes all sorts, eh?

True! But this is nothing new. It's always been this way.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Colchester Kev on October 30, 2006, 02:46:59 PM
Mr Pink, do you have a nigerian bank account ?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: CelticGeezeer on October 30, 2006, 03:07:16 PM
Mr. Pink: Why am I Mr. Pink?
Joe: 'Cause you're a faggot, alright?

Mr. Pink: How about if I'm Mr. Purple? That sounds good to me, I'll be Mr. Purple.
Joe: You're not Mr. Purple. Some guy on some other job is Mr. Purple. You're Mr. Pink!
Mr. White: Who cares what your name is?
Mr. Pink: Yeah that's easy for you to say, you're Mr. White, you have a cool sounding name. Alright look if it's no big deal to be Mr. Pink, do you wanna trade?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: SupaMonkey on October 30, 2006, 03:09:21 PM
Do the luminous glasses work online?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Royal Flush on October 30, 2006, 03:13:38 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 03:28:05 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?

We don't know that he does "sell" the stuff. We know he advertises the stuff.....!


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Royal Flush on October 30, 2006, 03:32:42 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?

We don't know that he does "sell" the stuff. We know he advertises the stuff.....!

Don't you read! One of his customers is a big poker name!

Another customer bought his products then blagged to him how they were going to rip of some basketball players, surely we can't doubt the word of Mr Pink.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 03:37:11 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?

We don't know that he does "sell" the stuff. We know he advertises the stuff.....!

Don't you read! One of his customers is a big poker name!

Another customer bought his products then blagged to him how they were going to rip of some basketball players, surely we can't doubt the word of Mr Pink.

Ah yes, the "big poker name". Forgot that.

I sense this whole thing is just a wind-up. Can you really imagine falling for this spie?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: LLevan on October 30, 2006, 03:39:07 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?

We don't know that he does "sell" the stuff. We know he advertises the stuff.....!
I wonder how many of his so callers "suckers" have actually forked out $2100 and are still awaiting delivery of the x-ray specs lol................knowing what a good judge Thewy is of phishermen theres a good chance he is still awaiting receipt of a pair lol
 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Royal Flush on October 30, 2006, 03:40:17 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?

We don't know that he does "sell" the stuff. We know he advertises the stuff.....!

Don't you read! One of his customers is a big poker name!

Another customer bought his products then blagged to him how they were going to rip of some basketball players, surely we can't doubt the word of Mr Pink.

Ah yes, the "big poker name". Forgot that.

I sense this whole thing is just a wind-up. Can you really imagine falling for this spie?

Well, i will be the one with the last laugh when i manage to gather mountains of chips using these glasses, imagine having, say, 65k on level 4 of a tournament, i will be a millionaire by next year!


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: matt674 on October 30, 2006, 03:43:26 PM
I wonder how many of his so callers "suckers" have actually forked out $2100 and are still awaiting delivery of the x-ray specs lol................knowing what a good judge Thewy is of phishermen theres a good chance he is still awaiting receipt of a pair lol
 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

How do you think i made it to the final tables of the last two blonde bashes??  :D


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 03:44:13 PM
Yawn !

Sorry to wake you...

OK, but how was your weekend at the poker tables, though. Mine was just kind of average. Must be because of the holiday weekend.

How did you get into cheating?
Are your parents proud?
If it works so well why do you sell all the shit on your website?

We don't know that he does "sell" the stuff. We know he advertises the stuff.....!

Don't you read! One of his customers is a big poker name!

Another customer bought his products then blagged to him how they were going to rip of some basketball players, surely we can't doubt the word of Mr Pink.

Ah yes, the "big poker name". Forgot that.

I sense this whole thing is just a wind-up. Can you really imagine falling for this spie?

Well, i will be the one with the last laugh when i manage to gather mountains of chips using these glasses, imagine having, say, 65k on level 4 of a tournament, i will be a millionaire by next year!

'tis true, you managed to lose a whopper of a stack there fella. Mind you, I'd like the ability to obtain such a stack at that stage. I've never managed that, & I doubt I ever will. There's an art to chip-getting, & you have that side of things mastered. Fair play to you.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tantrum on October 30, 2006, 04:00:47 PM
Quote
Mr. Pink: Why am I Mr. Pink?
Joe: 'Cause you're a faggot, alright?

This was rather unnecessary, and brought the level of this thread rather low.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: booder on October 30, 2006, 04:03:57 PM
Quote
Mr. Pink: Why am I Mr. Pink?
Joe: 'Cause you're a faggot, alright?

This was rather unnecessary, and brought the level of this thread rather low.

completely necessary IMHO if you are quoting someone


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Gryff on October 30, 2006, 04:18:38 PM
Quote
Mr. Pink: Why am I Mr. Pink?
Joe: 'Cause you're a faggot, alright?

This was rather unnecessary, and brought the level of this thread rather low.

Go and watch reservoir dogs :)


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Decider on October 30, 2006, 04:51:42 PM
The Black Predator glasses work as described on my site.

You should try marketing your idea to Adidas, they may add it to their range.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: thetank on October 30, 2006, 06:58:48 PM
Do the sunglasses work online?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: Boba Fett on October 30, 2006, 07:06:11 PM
Surely the x-ray technology can be used for good....like see through the walls in the female changing rooms at the gym or something?  ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 07:08:21 PM
Surely the x-ray technology can be used for good....like see through the walls in the female changing rooms at the gym or something?  ;goodvevil;

Oh nooooooo. You don't understand. They only work on playing cards. Right? Sort of selective X-Ray.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: booder on October 30, 2006, 07:16:50 PM
upon closer inspection , he is also selling , for a limited period only..



Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: kinboshi on October 30, 2006, 08:10:37 PM
I nearly bought those specs.  But then I saw right through them.




(I'll get my coat)


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I KNOW IT on October 30, 2006, 09:12:03 PM
I find it strange that people always seem to scoff at others showing methods at cheating. Cheating is absolutely disgraceful and any participant should be barred worldwide from all casinos and cardrooms.
 But It happens a lot more than u think

Ive not read all of Mr Pinks' post but I think i have the gist of it.
That glasses and ink cheating method definately exists as does alot of other methods.
I really think a lot of people are being naive to the fact that this sort of thing goes on in the poker world, You would be shocked to know how much and by who, albeit it is mainly in their past now.

Remember when large sums of money are involved ,there are certain elements who will do whatever to get a good chunk of it.
I think a lot of people would have their illusions of poker heroes shattered if they knew the truth.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: tikay on October 30, 2006, 09:17:42 PM
I find it strange that people always seem to scoff at others showing methods at cheating. Cheating is absolutely disgraceful and any participant should be barred worldwide from all casinos and cardrooms.
 But It happens a lot more than u think

Ive not read all of Mr Pinks' post but I think i have the gist of it.
That glasses and ink cheating method definately exists as does alot of other methods.
I really think a lot of people are being naive to the fact that this sort of thing goes on in the poker world, You would be shocked to know how much and by who, albeit it is mainly in their past now.

Remember when large sums of money are involved ,there are certain elements who will do whatever to get a good chunk of it.
I think a lot of people would have their illusions of poker heroes shattered if they knew the truth.

Yes, we know, there are plenty of well-known names with murky pasts in Poker. And all cheats should be banned. But come on, "x-ray tables" is a bit insulting to our intelligence, no?.......


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I KNOW IT on October 30, 2006, 09:24:43 PM
I find it strange that people always seem to scoff at others showing methods at cheating. Cheating is absolutely disgraceful and any participant should be barred worldwide from all casinos and cardrooms.
 But It happens a lot more than u think

Ive not read all of Mr Pinks' post but I think i have the gist of it.
That glasses and ink cheating method definately exists as does alot of other methods.
I really think a lot of people are being naive to the fact that this sort of thing goes on in the poker world, You would be shocked to know how much and by who, albeit it is mainly in their past now.

Remember when large sums of money are involved ,there are certain elements who will do whatever to get a good chunk 
ot of people would have their illusions of poker heroes shattered if they knew the truth.

Yes, we know, there are plenty of well-known names with murky pasts in Poker. And all cheats should be banned. But come on, "x-ray tables" is a bit insulting to our intelligence, no?.......
Like I said I didnt read all his post, but was mainly commenting on the fact that people didnt think those glasses existed.
Possibly one of the contributing factors of having the burnt cards
 


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I, Zimbra on October 30, 2006, 09:45:49 PM
The backs of cards being marked a la "Kaleidoscope" can also explain the 'burning' of cards... right?


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I KNOW IT on October 30, 2006, 09:58:57 PM
The backs of cards being marked a la "Kaleidoscope" can also explain the 'burning' of cards... right?
You will be ok playing whilst wearing your rose tinted spectacles ;)


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I, Zimbra on October 30, 2006, 10:24:09 PM
Merely suggesting it wouldn't take actual X-ray specs to have prompted the ritual introduction of 'burnt' cards.

Although possibly I am ;izimbra; by doing so.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I, Zimbra on October 30, 2006, 10:25:56 PM
In any case, I only showed up here to nominate Mr. Pink's original post for Best of Blonde....  ;scarymoment;


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: CelticGeezeer on October 30, 2006, 10:38:35 PM
 ;reallyamsorry; this is the smallest violin in the world, playing just for the card cheats


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: BrumBilly on October 30, 2006, 11:00:52 PM
'Whaddya mean you don't tip'? :)


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: I KNOW IT on October 30, 2006, 11:36:34 PM
Merely suggesting it wouldn't take actual X-ray specs to have prompted the ritual introduction of 'burnt' cards.

Although possibly I am ;izimbra; by doing so.
The whole principle behind the burnt cards is to protect from any marked cards, more than likely introduced before xray specs though ;)


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: CelticGeezeer on October 31, 2006, 12:02:01 AM
I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something, a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.


Title: Re: Cheating - is this possible?
Post by: BrumBilly on October 31, 2006, 12:22:03 AM
hehe