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Most sites I have played on you are only allowed one name per account and you are not allowed to change it. I think it is a very good rule as you know who you are playing and what sort of player you are playing against in time. I have been playing mostly WillHill for the last few months and as far as I know they have the same ruling. Betfair which uses the same software let you have as many as you want if you use different cards. There is one lad who plays on it that has got 8 different user names!!. Might sound trivial but I think it gives him a fairly big edge over other players who use the same name day in day out. Like in most things you do in life you know the good and bad players this is taking that little edge away that you have if you have a good memory or take notes.
Am i just being paranoid or do people agree with what I say?

 If he uses foul language or cheats/breaks the rules,  how is he disciplined

I have not got a clue. All I know is that there are a lot of betfair players who have a minimum of 3 different names. Tell you how funny it is there is one lad who is a very good player who actually talks to himself on the chat.

Tht's just plain ridiculous. Surely Betfair don't realise this, or condone it.

We need someone from Betfair to refute this. If it's true, it's just plain daft. By "true", I BELIEVE the story, I mean Betfair can't possibly condone it.

I spoke to the lad for half an hour and he told me that for each card he registers he can use another alias same name on account. The only way I thought he could do it was having an account at each skin. Thats not the case, there are so many players that have different names, glad im not the only one who gets annoyed by things like this.

I brought this up in the WSOP Qualifier "Rivercd" playing at 2 tables and he made it to Vegas.
Told Ruru about it but heard nothing back

Regards

M  
 

Surely not.......Surely not.

Someone, please tell us this is NOT true.......

I dont see how having several different user names gives someone a fairly big edge over the rest of us. Yes i use the note facility on pokerstars regularly but even then i wont use what i've written in previous notes as being gospel as players improve - they their game to bring in different aspects that they may not have used in the past.

It isnt too difficult to pick up how a player plays after they've been at the table for a while so even if person (b) was person (a) yesterday then after an hour or so you can still pick up similar patterns of how they play - its very unlikely that your friend with 8 different account names has a different style of play for all 8!!

People view this in different ways - some people say that if you are a good player then you want to constantly change your account name so that people wont pick up who you are so you can carry on winning consistantly but the way i see it if you are good enough to win on a consistant basis then it doesnt matter whether you change your account name or not - you will still make a profit. There are still enough players out there still willing to play tournaments regardless of whether there are a few good players in there or not.

Even if you are a bad player and you feel that by changing your account name means you will no longer be branded with that label - chances are they will play their new account in exactly the same way as their old one so the label will still return.

Your thoughts about willhill's poker site though is incorrect as when i downloaded their software over the weekend to play the blonde tourney tonight i find i have two poker names. This is because i have two seperate sports betting accounts - one i use my credit card to put bets on and one where i use my debit card and because willhill's poker is linked thru their sports book i find i now have two poker accounts with different account names - though i am only allowed to use one name at any one given time. (and as i will only be using the willhill site to play blonde tourneys you all dont have to worry about me trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes!!)  ;)

My flabber has never been so gasted

I had a converstaion with a high stakes internet player the other day, and he asked me what my alias was ... when i told him, he looked stunned and said why do you give away who you are ??  i replied that i dont play high enough stakes to have to worry about that.  He then went into a long explanation that circuit pro's very rarely use their real identities online as it makes fellow players take more notice of what they are doing, and it makes life much more difficult for them when they play online, with an alias, they can get more moves through and not draw attention ... good point or not ??

I dont care what alias they use, but you shouldn't have several on the same site, too open to abuse

Just because a player is a good "live" player doesnt mean he will be as good playing "online" therefore if he playes using a name so that everyone knows who it is he may actually gain respect from the other people at the table to win a little more than he should.

When i sit at a table of a multi table tourney for all i know i'm sat with 8 world class professionals all using an alias but sitting down with them for an hour i can still tell who the good players are and who the bad ones are - you can soon tell if your at the table with a world class player so the alias doesnt do much good - i may not now his name in real life but i soon know that he can play the game.......

People will play the same regardless of alias. The problem is if you are playing a multi and it takes you an hour to realise player a is really player b you could have lost all your chips by then or lost a chance to win chips.  Why would you want different names if its not to give you an extra edge to win money. Its the only site I know that you can do it on.

Is it me?

I'm just speechless about this, Red!

Worms, opened & can springs to mind, though.

My exgirlfriend had an online poker account. When I was giving her advice (or when I was broke) she would let me play under her alias. She had such a rock tight image I used to be able to get away with murder. In the bigger SnG's everyone knew her ID and no one fancied pots she raised into. It was heaven come the later stages.

I think there is a huge advantage with having more than one alias.

But by the same token you could have won more chips without realizing because you played the situation differently not knowing - it can work both ways..... all you can do is play your best game with all the known facts at your disposal - if you dont know that player b was player a yesterday then it shouldn't affect your ablilty to still win


But does it give you an extra edge? personally i dont think it would do

Well I am surprised nobody from Betfair has come on to refute this.

But here's my little bet.....

It is against the Terms & Conditions on ANY online site to knowingly use different aliases.

And if I am wrong, well IT is wrong.

Surely this is proof beyond doubt that every time you sit down at an online table, you have to play your cards, not the person... until you have made observations on the ability of the players on THAT table at THAT time ?

with crypto having to many skins everyone could have 10 or so aliases the only thing putting me off playing on a different skin at crypto is that i can play as ironside as i already have that name on another skin

exactly.

like i said if i'd made notes on someone from a previous tourney and i came across them again in a tourney then i wouldnt treat my notes as gospel - if i had notes say on baron's girlfriend telling me that she was a rock but then when she appears at my table she's raising every second pot then i'm going to adjust my game accordingly and make notes to that affect. then if our paths cross for a third time i have to make judgment as to who i'm playing against the "rock" girlfriend or the soon to be sponsered by UB "lunatic" baron!!

postscript - my sincerest apologies for getting the title wrong  :-[

excuse me the soon to be sponsored by UB lunatic baron

Can someone more articulate than me  point out the real pitfalls in all of this

it's wrong ;D

you could end up on the same table as 1 person playing as 2 different people

the only problem i can see with it is if the person with more than one account has the ability to play both accounts at the same time - would need two seperate computers with seperate connections to the internet to acheive this - and could then sit at the same cash table or sit and go. they would then be able to play as two different people at the same table simultaniously.

Its not as much of a problem with multi table tourneys though because the two alias' may not be sat at the same table as it is a "random" draw.

most online sites though would easily be able to spot if any collusion is taking place after reviewing betting patterns and going thru hand histories and close both accounts.

I'm really not sure that you can have multiple accounts at Betfair. Yes, it is possible to have multiple accounts on the Crypto network, but not at the same poker room (with the exception of Will Hill if you had an account with them before they linked the poker accounts to the sportsbook accounts - it is possible to have two there).

I think the original poster needs to clarify if by 'There is one lad who plays on it that has got 8 different user names!!' he means more than one Betfair account, or more than one Crypto (Will Hill, Littlewoods, UKBetting etc etc) account.

Even if you have multiple accounts, you can't sit down at the same table as play as two seats - both players having the same IP address prevents this.

The Prima network has a system in place whereby you can have accounts at the different poker rooms, but the software recognises this and makes you use the same alias at all of them.

EDIT: Should have read the replies better, Harby did say that the player had an account for each card. I'll be down at the Betfair forum game at the Gutshot this weekend so I might be able to ask someone about this, if Ruru hasn't clarified things by then

i refer the gentleman to this post

This chap only uses betfair and has 8 different names on betfair. There are a lot of players not just this one. Betfair have there own forum post a question and see the response. If this is fair why do all the other sites not allow it.

i remember that i think (might have been a different occasion) wasn't one uppercase and the other not?
May not have been the same person, i think Davebhoy said there are different folks on betfair with the same name as him just different cases

i am barred from betfair forum

what for?

Because it is NOT fair.

Are you really telling us that Betfair knowingly allow this?

I am finding that hard to swallow. (Steady now Kev...)

cause i dont have a real money account with them

 :-X

Talking of aliases, (is that the correct plural term?) note latest new Member, "Last Samurai". Anyone else sawed this?......

don't get the samarai thing ???
so you can't use the forum if you ain't got an account?

Many Forums insist you have an account - that way, they artificially boost their Fiorum Membership.

correct an account with money in it

and as i cant use the name ironside  on betfair as i have it on ukbetting why would i put money into an account

Playing with different aliases gives you a huge edge when you are playing the same players day in, day out.

In the 10/20 PL Omaha game on Betfair i reckon there are about 35-40 regular players. You get to know each others game quite well and if someone can play under 3/4 names on the Crypto network it gives them a huge edge. I'm sure people know when i bet pot on the river by now i nearly always have the nuts as they always pass.... or do i?  ;)

Please send me a Mongoose

ps, please send me another one

so if you click this link nothing comes up?

http://forum.betfair.com/jive3/betex/ForumsFrameset.jsp?forumID=22&forumName=Poker&schatname=null

I'd like an answer please Mr Betfair.

Is there anything in this?

A huge advantage :create deceptive histories of your playing style and then profit from it

Internet cafe in beiruit (well it feels like it anyway) so I can't go into this in too much detail. I think betfair would suspend multiple accounts from the same person ( I assume they would anyway). It is against the T&Cs I am pretty sure of that. I do not know of anyone who has multiple accounts but if some people do I would report them to betfair as it is obviously open for collusion. I Play as ariston on any site and have done for a number of years- however I do play the occasional game (usually qualifiers) for friends using their accounts, I always make sure everyone on the table knows its me playing for a friend so they play me accordingly (ie show me no respect and try to outdraw me  ;))

At last, some facts from Camp Betfair, & the truth. Even though it's from Ariston, that nails the thing good & proper.

"...it is against the T & C's...."

if that is betfairs poker forum they are welcome too it

I think the best thing to do is someone in the know to ring betfair up and ask them. I am 99.9999% sure there are a lot of players with a lot of aliases only on betfair site not multiple skins. If they want a name someone can PM me and i will give them 3 aliases i know to be the same person.

I wish Iron would stop wrapping things up and say what he means

lol Iron, shouldn't really post the link but i was curious ;D

Yes Harby, there MAY be a lot of peeps on Betfair with multiple names, but it is AGAINST their T & C's. THATS the point.

And if you know who they are, you should report them.

You may have one person who is breaking the rules but that doesn't mean its the norm. I know more betfair players than this forum combined (probably) and I can give you the usernames for all of them- and they all use one. I actualy see betfair bashing undertones to this thread, I am sure many sites have multiple users on the same accounts (I know its not difficult to set up multiple accounts on stars for example as when I first started many moons ago I played as bigruss and opened another account as ariston when I bacame commonly known as ariston). If people want to break rules they will find a way- if it bothers you report them dont just blacken a sites name on a forum (its not betfairs fault people are doing this if nobody bothers to report them).

Typical- my 1000th post is against a newish member flaming betfair. Was hoping my 1000th would be something a little more light hearted than that. hohum...

Ariston,

A good post nyway.

But - and this is VERY important to yours truly - at NO POINT have I flamed Betfair, in fact, my posts suggest - correctly - tht I have defended them against allegations which I consider were at best, disingenious. I know you never suggested otherwise, but I need to keep my "Swiss" hat on in these matters.

ariston - delete your last 2 posts, tell a joke then repost

simple.........

Im not blackening any bodys name I just asked a question and it went from there. I have got nothing against betfair I think it has revolutionised the betting industry and no doubt it will with poker in the future. If you are to do with betfair then you must know a chap called noseboy who is also called guesswho and a few other names. I dont want to get peoples back up im new on here and if i have got yours up ariston i apologise i asked an innocent question that is all.

there's a joke in there somewhere........... where's kev when you need him???

Can i just point out that playing another persons account for them is in breach of betfairs (and probably every other sites) terms and conditions ;D

OK i'm gonna duck now............INCOMING!!!

I read the thread thouroughly before i answered ( as I will be doing on all threads from now on  ;D) then reread it again to see if I read between the lines correctly. One person in this thread has an issue with betfair and seems to think its betfairs fault if someone is breaking the rules. If someone has 8 credit cards and set up 8 different accounts I would suggest there is one reason for this- they are a losing player and keep maxing cards out ( only my oppinion that). Either way to blame betfair for someone breaking their rules seems to be a bit harsh- has anybody tried setting up multiple accounts with other sites? I never said Tikay or anybody else was accusing betfair of anything but i cant help wondering if harby has a secret agenda I must admit. I would have posted exactly the same if anyone had accused will hills or any other site of this as well, I may play the odd tourney for betfair but I am not sponsored by them or anything (before I get the usual betfair poodle comments lol)
Spent much longer than I intended in this internet cafe now so I will be back online later to discuss this further.

when i first started playing poker for free (stars was in beta testing) i had several accounts on pokerroom and stars to name 2 that i can remember

when i tried to move money into pokerroom an account i hadnt played for along time i requested a password only to get my account suspended as they now worked out i had several free accounts

i told them i only wanted the one Ironside they said they suspended all the others and reopened ironside


i still to this day get emails from them on some of my other free accounts telling me about promotions

ok appology accepted end of matter. noseyboy/guesswho/ etc is a player who does his bollox swears in the chatbox and gets banned. I am only surprised that he hasnt got 30 accounts set up in all his families names- He has actualy become a cult figure on the forum believe it or not?? He will be banned again soon and be back in another name, I wouldnt worry about him he aint got the game to trouble anyone.

Interestingly Ariston, noseyboy and guess who are down as two separate people who will be playing in the forum game on Saturday.

Is guess who an different person from guesswho?

Harby - I do not believe your post was anti-Betfair I think you made a great point which has been well-aired. I think there was some confusuion - now cleared up - that Betfair ALOWED multi-names, when clearly they do not.

I think Ariston's defence of Betfair was a shade on the sensitive side, but that's not the greatest sin in the world.

I think I've just about read all of this thread  now  ???

I'm intersted in this because I have 2 accounts on Betfair.  I had the original one for ages for betting on the exchange and never played on Betfair poker.  I set up a 2nd account just for poker (All accounts are created on the exchange site).  Then after a particulary bad Saturday night  :-[ I found I had no money left in my "poker" account but wanted to play in the WSOP qualifier on the Sunday night.  So I logged in with my other account and played the sat.  Now as it happens I have never bothered to deposit on the original account since and only play the 2nd one, so in effect I have never had two accounts "active" at the same time on BF poker.

BUT I can find no mention of this in Betfair's T & C's (I checked because it didn't seem right to me at the time).

Thats all I was asking if it was allowed as when i asked this person he told me there was nothing wrong as he used different credit cards and another one on the table was doing the same. When you think about it now I should have contacted betfair instead of airing it on here to find out if it was allowed or not.Nevermind we all learn by our mistakes.

Anyone care to do the leg work in the T & C's here they are ...

http://www.betfair.com/pokerroom/aboutus/TermsAndConditions.do

No Harby - stop being defensive. It was a fair point you made - the responses prove that - and youi did nothing wrong or improper imo. But yes, it's also correct to say that if summat is wrong, report it.

Owners post propbably gets to the crux of the prob. Where a site has a SportsBook AND a Cardroom it gets complicated. But in the SPIRIT of the debate, it's wrong to have two aliases on the same site with the intention of using them to deceive.

Ah but that is different, with intention to decieve is against the T&C's, collusion, fraud etc.
I was sad enough to look at the T&C's and i didn't see any reference to multiple accounts at all, it should be outlawed because it is open to abuse but it in itself is not wrong.
did that make sense?..........i was up too early this morning

I have two acconts on stars and two on betfair (thats accidental though!)
I only use one at a time and partake in nor forms of collusion!

I agree that someone who has numerous accounts and regularly rotates them does have an edge but it is down to the sites to regulate it and act accordingly