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you are playing in one of europe's deepest structured tournaments. 10k stack - 2 hour levels.
it's late on in day 2. 7 tables remain from the original 33. with the top 3 tables getting paid out nicely.

you're sitting on just over 25k from the original 10k. this is just below average. but with the blinds at just 150/300 and a running ante of 25 you are very comfortable.

a new player has just joined the table. he is young. you don't recognise him. he has around the same stack as you.

new player is UTG. this is the 3rd hand he has been at the table for. the past 2 he has passed. he makes a standard raise to 950.

it folds all the way round to you on the button. you look down and see  9c 9h

you call. the blinds folds.

FLOP:

 Jc Td 9s

new player: bets 3k

Q1: WHAT DO YOU DO HERE?

say hero reraised to 8k.. then..

new player thinks for a moment shoves the rest of his stack into the middle. you have him covered by around 1.5k.

Q2: IF YOU HAD RAISED TO 8K DO YOU NOW CALL HIS ALL-IN?

Q3: WHAT DO YOU PUT UTG NEW PLAYER ON?

Will come back to this later but average is about 47k so you are quite far off.


VOC

i was on about the table average. which was 30-35k

Are you tempted to rule out KQ here, folds twice then raises UTG? Does he look confident? That's the best worst flop 99 can get in this position eh? Answer to question 1, I raise here, but I probably make it 11k, I know it's an overbet but I want to make it look like I'm bloody committed (A bit of blithering idiocy that should be ignored)? I'd have a hard time laying down QQ here if I was him though. Again JJ and TT are both sickening and quite possible. After I  bet I would almost definitely fold to the push unless I thought the guy was an idiot who couldn't lay down an overpair or top pair. That's just my opinion obviously my flop reraise is probably pretty donk like but I don't know if 8k is completely convincing. Be interesting to see the outcome is very tempting to put him on an overset purely because of his action and the board, maybe you should just fold the flop but then why play 99 ;).

Eh?



Eh?


VOC

Eh?

That's what I do, feel free to pick holes. Never been in such a difficult situation myself, that's how i'd treat it, and I'm more interested to see people what people who have been think.

Why do you want him folding AA or KK?


VOC

LOL. Good point. I'll get back to you ;)

Ok I give up. If this situation arose I'd go and cry in the corner rather than try and do anything coherent, you can reraise, and you can get put all in. Seems like more of a "feel" situation where it's probably better to fold as you don't have enough information. I do hate to just give up stick em in and hope though. Are there more hands he pushes with that are beating you or not.

A) Re-raise to 8k now.

B) Yes. His re-raising range is KK/QQ/JJ/KQ. When you consider the pot at this stage you arent a big enough dog to consider folding against this range. Add to that the fact that you are in need of chips this is a critical hand.

C)Most likely hands are QQ or KK. KQ is a little loose but possible. Against KQ you are only a 60/40 dog here.
Worst possible holdings are obv JJ and 1010 which have you crushed, but you need chips and this is never going to be a pass after you re-raise.

Maybe include AQ? Your reraising range is quite big there imo.

I quite like the reraise to 8k. And I couldn't fold this after reraising.

so the majority of people are stumped by this one then?

I call  ;hide;

yeah I think the majority of people would have their chips end up in the middle here. how did it pan out?

I flat call btw. Let the pot build :D

RESULTS:

I was ACTUALLY the 'new player utg' - I held  Kd Qd for the nuts straight.
couldn't believe my luck that i was called. i don't understand why in such a deep structured tournament the guy let almost all his stack go in the middle when he isn't beating anything but a draw?!

anyway. TURN - Js

obviously sent me home. just wondering if i was right to still feel sick about this one to this day. and i guess i'm not as most of you call!

I don't think its the ideal board to slow play bottom set against a player that you have no information on also there are 5 cards that can come which could lead you to being pushed off the best hand if the 9s are good.

Any A K Q 8 or 7 and you have no idear where you are and its going to cost you the majority of your chips if not all to find out.

3k is quite a large bet for the person to lead out with against 1 opponent, slightly over the full size of the pot, AA,QQ or 88 are my main thoughts atm. (Doubt it is that tho, might be a little to predictable for a threadlike this)

Quite a small raise utg with AA for a guy that has just sat down at a table, I think most people would make it 4x or more the bb with AA in this situation, they don't know how the table is playing so they dont want to have 4 callers with AA utg against strangers.

I go with the raise up to 8k - 9k.

Nightmare decision...very unliky that he has KQ or Q8, looks more like QQ,JJ,1010 or the outside chance of 88.

Still not sure what I would do tho lol

Might go the catious route, If he has QQ or 88 fair play ballsy move but he still has a strong chance of winning the pot anyway, if he has the sets then you made a correct pass.  If hes on a total bluff or has pocket aces then hes insane and you've got a good chance of getting the chips back off him, just hope no one else gets em first.

Glad it was'nt me!