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This makes me sick, and I am shocked, I used to think of MikkyT as a mate but I now need to have a talk with my kids tomorrow for obvious reasons.

Before anyone asks, YES it is the real Mikkyt and its not a wind up!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6375805.stm

By the way i only posted thsi because i believe all blondes have a right to know what he was up to, he did ask for the thread to post pics of our kids!

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I actually feel pretty sick inside reading that. :(

We at blonde are all horrified & shocked.

This news is "in the domain", so seems no point in Deleting this thread.

Hard to know exactly how to handle this, to be truthful. It's 0420, we will decide in the morning.

Very sad.

Wow that is sick. Knew he had been done for driving (or maybe it wasn't in hindsight) but no idea of all this.

Was in the staff room at work and saw this in the paper. Tuesday's edition of the daily record, I read the article and then saw the picture above....I almost fell off my chair. I didnt make the connection at first but the name and the picture....it instantly clicked. I rummaged around on the web and found that same article on bbc that Newmanseye posted.

Very sad.

Thanks for posting this Billy. ive got 2 words to say - 'sick fecker'. it shows us that we really dont know what goes on behind a closed door and makes you wonder if the first sentance was for drunk d riving?

i hope the kids and the mother are alright. at least they will be safe and hopefully the boys are young enough to get over it.

this is the sentance he got  http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headline=pervert-jailed-for-attacks-on-boys--&method=full&objectid=18779886&siteid=66633-name_page.html

Are you 100% sure it's our MikkyT?

Of that there is unfortunately no doubt.

Lost for words really.  Met Mikky at bB3 and thought he was a really nice guy.

Just goes to show you never really know. 

I reacted to this news with feelings of shock, horror, anger and disgust. As, I suspect, did you. This sort of thing always gets me, I'm crying as I type.

The sad fact is that child abuse goes on day in, day out. In every street, in every town, all over the world.

I think we all know what we would like to do to Mikky T, and if we spew it out on here it might make us feel a little better, but that wont help the next child.

Save your anger. Turn it into compassion for the child less fortunate. Turn it into vigilance for the child at risk. Turn it into understanding, when a tiny voice makes that cry for help, you may be the only one to hear.

Never, ever, turn a blind eye.

Shocked, & Sickened

Gob smacked... what a sick fecker.  I honestly don't know what to say....

yuck

whats even more sick is he started a thread called "post ur wee ones here" me and billy were talking about this last night

...and this is exactly the reason why I've never posted pics of my kids on the net.

Hope the children involved can get over it.

There are lots of things I can forgive.  This isn't one of them.  Sick ****.

yeah Jane,being the naive type as I am i got a severe talking to from ma missus for posting a photo of the wee one.....it was on here too......!

i understand her concerns now

and as Red dog says let this make us more aware and vigilant for any kid in a bad situation in future



Im disgusted,never met the guy but disgusted nonetheless

Hope he gets pounded in prison...rest in peace. I didn't like the fact peeps thought he was sound for getting pissed and driving, Tong G got more shit for his table antics.

There is something wrong with our legal system when this gets only 6 years in jail!!!!!!!!!

Just a thought, mods, but if he posted pics of the kids in his care on that thread he started, it would be wise to delete them, as sadly they were victims of an assault and Blonde would not wish to identify them. (sorry, my old journalist legal habits kicking in).

SCUM utter scum, hang the bastard along with the rest of them, but then again hanging would be too quick a death for them.


I believe that on conviction they have a perminent tattoo on their cheek as a stamp to warn everyone of what they are. We have a right to know where these chit's are.

excellent thought. I'd pm a mod with that, my friend.

I vote the whole thread goes please!

As a mum of two trusting beautiful lads - I'm gobsmacked and sickened.

I do think the kiddies thread should go - please!

Already noted mate, and personally I agree.

I will move the pics thread to the deleted post board until a decision is made

Good man

Didnt know him or notice the thread, but thats well sick and glad he has been caught

Good move thanks Kev.


I feel foolish that it never once occurred to me that putting pics of your kids on a friendly forum like this, or on a TV programme with you or anything like that for the whole world to see could be put to such disgusting use!!

Words fail me

Now i dont know what to do, i've made so many new friends on this site since i arrived in this world 4 months ago. It seems a shame not to be able to say hello every now and again and show people how i'm getting on just because of the occasional sick and twisted person we get in our society. (i would write differently but my dad hasn't taught me any naughty words yet!). Oh well maybe i'll have to go back to the old fashioned method of taking pictures and putting them in an album and boring people at future blonde bashes.

My thoughts go out to the children involved and their family.

Well done to that brave little boy for telling his gran.  I hope those kids get all the help and support they need to move forward and enjoy the rest of their childhood and beyond.

I also agree that, as a gesture of goodwill to all blondites who might not be around at present, the 'post a pic of your wee ones' thread should be deleted.

If this wasn't so serious, I wouldn't believe it.  It is so hard to get your head round.  People like this are the lowest of the low, it is so hard to believe that he was on Blonde for so long and friends with all of us without our knowing what he was up to.  The World sure is a crazy place.

   I am glad the kid thread he started is gone, if I was being perfectly honest I have always thought it was a terrible idea. It would be ok if Blonde members could access it, but Blonde has probably just as many visitors each day. I know most of the time you have to be a member to look at update tourney pics, photos, etc.... however, if someone wanted to see these it takes five minutes to join.  Get rid of the thread permanently I say, better to be safe than regret it later.

I agree that we should get rid of the thread that Mikky started personally, but to put a ban on everyone posting pics of their kids?  I think that's taking it too far, and it has to be left to personal choice.

I will keep my opinions to myself on this.

My thoughts are with the children

You're just a normal person Trace - doesn't cross any normal person's mind.  Just a shame that there are people out there who are sick.

Can't video your own kids in school plays any more at many schools (all schools?). 

True Claire, it may be taking it too far.  But, maybe there should be a blanket ban on all pics of minors regardless of their friendly natured intention.  I know it is sad, but with the advent of the Internet, there are far more cases of things like this happening.  I don't have the stats on how many people join the site or are a visitor each month, but it is impossible to know the true intentions of every one of them.  Remember, people who spam the forum get through, so what is to stop some perv.  If one member really wants another forum member to see their Kid scoring his first goal or learning to ride a bike, then it should be sent by PM.  Just my view, I am just a humble foot soldier on Blonde, so it is not really up to me  :)

Sick ******!, hope he gets what he deserves from the other prisoners

Its probably the blackest day on blonde since we started, we have built up a fantastic community here, and it hurts me like you wouldnt believe to think someone who we know could be responsible for these hideous crimes. I feel dirty for just knowing him, I dont think it was a big secret that i never liked the bloke, but he has gone now, he is history.

blonde as a community is strong and unbreakable. we go forward and we carry on.

at my daughter's nursery a form is sent to all parents in advance asking if they are happy for their child to be videod/photographed.  if anyone says 'no', then it's not allowed.  Best way to do it in my opinion

I'm sorry but I could never agree with that.

Thats the sort of "Just ban everything to be on the safe side" attitude that I hate.

Penalise the offenders, not the victims.

Fair enough.

To be honest, I am just shocked that this has happened. 

 ;iagree;

I'm in shock at this, I got on OK with Mikky, which makes me feel kinda dirty by association, but I've been doing a bit of thinking about it.

Folks, there's no way any of us could have known that Mikky (or anyone else we know) was capable of this kind of stuff. People like that keep it hidden and are good at pulling the wool over others' eyes.

I'm just glad that one of the boys trusted his Gran enough to tell her.

I may be taking it too the extreme, but I would never have thought that mikky could have done that, not in a million years. He always seemed like a decent bloke, a bit arrogant, but a genuinely nice guy. I was obviously 100% wrong.  I will stick by my opinion. 

on blonde? Obv people knew this was happening, was he banned from blonde for the last few weeks/months?

This is really sick, I'm stunned. I hope the boys can get over it in time.

 

Micky was in barlinnie (visiting his gran alledgedly)

No, not on blonde, I'm pretty certain of that.

Mikky wasn't banned, but when news of his latest incarceration got out,he wasn't going to be on the board.

Hope the sick ****er gets whats coming to him.  I am just glad I wasnt able to upload the pics I was trying to, of my 4 year old son and 2 year old daughter on her b'day.

Can we lay off the retribution posts?

He was charged, found guilty and convicted. He's in prison now where he can't do any more harm.

Posts wishing violence upon him don't really help and are distasteful to read.

and is very un blonde!!!!!

everyone has an opinion, but it drags blonde down!

Smithy for MOD lololol

**** me. can't believe that. feel a bit sick.

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Personally I find what he has done considerably more distasteful than any posts wishing him harm. People should be allowed to express their feelings as they see fit towards this evil man. I remember taking a dislike to MikkyT after I took offence after he made a "oh so humorous sex gag" on the forum and subsequently challenged him on it. The irony is that because MikkyT was a popular character on blonde numerous people were so quick to leap to his defence saying what a top bloke he is. Glad I stood be my own judgement.

Re: the thread about children's pic's I agree it should be removed but only for the reason that it was started by someone who's motives were clearly for his own sick pleasure. I however agree with Reddog and Claw that it shouldn't mean that people should never post pic's of there love ones if the so wish. You will never stop someone like MikkyT seeking such images (and no doubt considerably worse) for his own sick pleasure and will even view the most innocent pic's in a perverse manner. People merely put innocent pic's up of their family as they wished to share them with friends. Let's not be bullied be the worlds lowest common denominator and stop doing what 99.9% see as an innocent act of sharing stuff with friends just because of people like MikkyT.

The original sentence he was sent down for last year (as far as anyone here was concerned) was for driving while banned, not driving while drunk. Not that this matters in the slightest, but somebody mentioned it was bad form for us to associate with a drunk driver.

As he was my mate, I corresponded with him when he was in the jail, he's been round my house, I've bought him into comps, and he's driven me home. I wish I could hide behind never liking the bloke as Kev can, but I can't. Feeling rotten and sick right now.

My thoughts today are with everybody who posted pics on that thread, the two kids subject to abuse and their families, everybody the guy knew in real lfe, and I feel for Poppet. She knew nothing of this I'm sure, and can be forgiven for being as rotten a judge of character as many of us were.

I'm not a parent, and only an amateur writer, so I can't begin to describe properly, or even imagine what those who posted pics on that thread are feeling right now. They can say what they feel as far as I'm concerned, and if it upsets AndrewT or anybody else to hear it, all I can suggest is you stop reading the thread.

Somebody said this was a black day for blonde, you got that right. It feels as if there is an open wound on the forum. I pray it's not a fatal one, there's no way in the world I'm going to let a sick man like MikkyT destroy the community here.

Sick. I was told by Poppet a month or two back that he was in prison again (as we all probably guessed) and that it was a bit more serious, but ffs i would never have even guessed at this!

So so wrong.

Me too. Last thing i would ever do

Very well said mate.  There isn't a single person on the forum who could have even considered mikky to be like that. Through my eyes, he was a good bloke and I always enjoyed reading and replying to his threads/posts. We have all been misled by him,  I feel so sorry for his Family right now. They must be  going through a terrible time.

Absolutely do not let this drag down blonde in anyway. Know one could possibly have known. One of the drawbacks of being friends with people you meet virtually. Thoughts go out to the victims.

Fuck him, lets move on, long may the good people of blonde be friends and happy.

Just wanted to echo this as well.  One can only presume she had no idea of the offences and, however, sick we all feel, it must be a hell of a lot worse for Soph.  I hope everyone will give her all the support she needs.

I was shocked when I read this. I think it goes to show how adept people are at hiding this sort of behaviour. From the limited conversations I'd had with Mikky he's always come across as a genial sort of guy, which i guess is how he managed to get away with it for a while.

I hope the kids involved and their families can come to terms with the abuse in time and are not permanently scarred.


I agree 100% with this.

I actually talk to poppet quite abit. I actually mentioned Mikky T when we were chatting last night and she said he was in prison again, for a more serious crime but didnt know the details

She didnt know what the crime was, but knew he got sentenced to a longer term(she thought it was 2 years).

I emailed her this morning to let her know

 :goodpost:

So true Silo , i lived next to a lovely couple for four years , moved away and a year later he's up for sexual asault on a 6 yr old girl ............. you just cant trust anybody with the ones you love it seems .

Oh F***! was my inital reaction when i read this... met the guy playing at cincins a cpl of times seemed like an ok guy and was active here.. scarey :E

I can't pretend i ever liked the guy in fact it was pretty obvious and that was pretty much from the off.
All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them.

Talking of protecting people..........i actually heard about this a long time ago though i am very angry now because the person who told the story never told the full extent of it.
I was told he had gone to his exes home and broken in and hit his OWN kids and was arrested for it, this isn't in any way less distressing but it is a lot different to sexual assault.
At least you could believe he had accidentally hit his kid struggling with the ex or many other scenarios all of which never led me to think it was deliberate.
The point of this is that Poppet knew the truth all along and made up stories of visiting grannies in Liverpool and driving while banned, and ultimately only revealed part of the story off forum.

welcome back Ian

I'm new here, but that's some scary shit.

A geezer asking for pictures of kids on the Internet, then he turns out to be some kind of monster. It makes your skin crawl.

What the bloody hell is wrong with people?

You can say she made up stories Ian, and you would be right. but you can't possibly say that she knew the truth.

Poppet can be quite gullible, who knows what lies he told?

We don't need a scapegoat.

Booder, I suspect Ian's return is short term and only because he feels it is important to shed some light on this situation and feels it is important to do so considering the serious of the subject. Hence, this is why he has broken his original statement of leaving blonde. If what he says is correct then I can only express my dismay at why someone would cover for another person in these circumstances. I however think it is important to wait for Poppet to address this claim and put her point of view across before anybody jumps to any conclusions.

All I know is Ian, like myself, tends to call it as he see's it and not concern himself with compromising his views in fear of it not being a popular one. Ian, look forward to sharing a  :cheers: with you at bb4.

why has my post been removed ?

its back..................spooky

I was quite annoyed myself at the time when she came on with the sick Grandmother explanation.

We can't sling mud now though, she was young and naiive. Who knows what kind of lines MikkyT was feeding her, who knows what kind of spin was put on things.

What she was told by Mikky as to his incarceration was almost certainly not the truth. The severity of what she understood his crimes to be may well have been exaggerated as it trickles down through the gossip network third hand.



I have no doubt Poppet will be feeling sick to the very pit of her stomach at these revelations.

Sorry Booder - you got in before I could PM you. Your post made no sense if IFM's post was removed.

They're both back now as IFM's had been quoted already.

IFM - I find accusations of shielding a child abuser absolutely out of order & hope you've some evidence that Poppet wasn't as taken is as a lot of us by Mikky. Otherwise it's disgraceful.

poppet did not know why he was in prison - he told her he got 2 years

and do you believe that anyone on here would lay a smokescreen in front of a peadophile and abuser!!!!!!

I do not, and don't like the tone of the mail at all

I would be really really fuked off if someone kept the truth from me regarding a person i percieved to be harmless was actually serving time in jail (what if he was still in contact with some forum users who were unaware of his situation others knew about?!?!?!).

But I dont see the point in slinging mud at people who have been sucked into his lies, let them resolve their own issues.

I must confess, it's a bad day here, & the Mods are really struggling to come to terms with all this. It hit us at 0400 this morning, & even now, we are struggling to make the right decisions by everyone. But they are working their socks off to get the right balance on an awful situation.

What we know is this - the primary source of this problem is Mikky.

What we don't know, so far as I am aware, is what Poppet was told, & what she believed.

ifm made a Post, & I for one was delighted he chose to do so, & I hope he Posts again. He may be ASIMS from time to time, but he tells it as he sees it, & thats a good thing. His Post, though, suggested someone was shielding a child-abuser, an extremely serious allegation. Unless we can prove that, I think we need to be careful not to pre-judge what happened. Personally, I think Poppet had the wool pulled over her eyes - but I just don't know the facts, really. I imagine only Poppet & Mikky T do. Does anyone else really know the facts?

Please understand, everyone, that this is incredibly emotive, most especially for those of you - the majority I guess, & certainly ifm  - who have kids.

I'm utterly speechless.

I have always been liberal by nature.. but a few months back I was playing boo with Jake and he was giggling and laughing and the thought suddenly struck me if someone even attempted to do anything to him I would kill them.

I really shocked myself at that thought crossing my mind.

And the idea this scumbag started the childrens picture thread is really disgusting.

I think that thread should be deleted, but a new one should be started.

I think the blonde community is strong enough to overcome this.

thanks for your thoughts kieth

i agree with them wholehearterly and if you give it a couple of weeks to die down i would be greatfull if you would start the new thread btw has jake worked out that every time you throw chips into a pot your bluffing yet?

Thanks Keith.

The "post a picture of your wee ones" Thread has been Deleted from the GD Board. It remains on file in a protected area for the time being.

I've read this thread with horror, but it's been a bit like a car crash when you can't stop yourself looking.

I haven't posted because I don't know the people involved, so I didn't want to speak out of turn.

But I have to say that the post by ifm is upsetting, even to an outsider like myself.  The whole comment is ignorant '' All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them.'' is hardly going to help a group of people who have been hurt by an outsider.

He obviously didn't like the guy. No problem.  But to slanderously ( libelously ? ) attack a much cared for member of the forum is so far beyond the pale that I can't find the words to describe it.

Freedom of speech should only go so far.  I think ifm has crossed any bounds of decency.

My personal opinion is that the offender is obviously a sick pervert.  Even in the stories taken from the media there is obviously a lot that has been omitted.  He has hurt many members of this forum.  This forum is full of decent people who have accepted , and helped, me and many others into a fun environment.

He should not, and must not , be allowed to pass any blame onto innocently duped people.  And while he has been tried & convicted, no other member of this forum should be.

Sorry for intruding.

I have read this thread with the deepest sadness. To treat children in this way is unforgivable and I do mean unforgivable. For sure he will get his inside (nothing upsets cons more than the fact that they can not protect their own) but it will not change the sickness in his head.

We are all part of a representative group. To imagine that we would not have some amongst us with dark secrets is of course naive and yet as far as my own life is concerned I would rather view it with this naivety firmly in place. So I continue to think the best of all of us and hope that this will spread to all on this forum.

Wow i just feel sick, i really do, have that funny feeling in my stomach.

Am quite an angry person when it comes to things like this,as i am sure most people are, but will keep my comments to myself.

I didnt know the guy at all thankfully but from what kev and ifm have said i can trust their judgement enough that i would have dispised him aswell. Just a couple of observational comments really that i havent liked from what i know about him. I really thought the thread on 'where is mikky t'  was a bit wrong as we all knew, even myself, that he was in prison and for him to be serving a custodial sentence for any misdemeanor (sp?) and to make a joke out of it was bang out of order.
And also i would like to welcome IFM back and have to agree with what the diceman said. IFM is outspoken but is not a liar and im sure there is truth behind his accusations. Enough so to come back on and post them.

And penultimately we all know this will not affect us as a blonde community and in fact will surely only go on to make us even stronger, the only risk i see now is maybe we will become less accepting of new members, MAYBE but i doubt it as this was carried out by an already "accepted" member!!!!

And lastly, lets not let this ruin the sense of community we have now and i for one,without it sounding weird, love seeing the pictures of the blondes lil ones. A example being i believe either redimps or zelda's little girls in their karate outfits getting awards as myself do karate and thnk its great to see little ones coming up through the ranks and lets not forget baby monkey and his rather advanced literacy and IT skills. I for one think thats what makes this forum so great and dont let one FUCKING SICKO (please leave in mods) ruin it for all the genuine people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i only wanted to keep my posts to a minimum this last few days but i feel i have to post here.,.,.,.,

i think its wrong to sling mud at poppet as she may not have known and as said before blonde dosent need a scapegoat.,.,.i dont even want to say his name but he is in prison now where he should be people like this are well,
 i cant even put into words,.,.he will get what he deserves dont worry about that.,.,i think you should keep the kid thread on file as there is a good chance that the police would like to look at it.,.,(dont tell them about my stolen stuff.,.,please.,.) seriously though it is very sad that somebody you feel you know have tricked and conned their way into yourlife.,.,people are easily lead let me tell you.,.,he is where he should be now and thats that.,.,

A great Post.

But......

All I All i can say is the best way to deal with these sicko's is to put them in general population don't protect them

And The Camel said if someone harmed young Jake, he'd kill them.

It iis SO emotive, & at times like this, one can understand their anger, & why they vent it thus.

I am wholly againt lynch mobs, this was my first stance to the Mods at 0430 this morning, but one CAN understand why these guys are so angry. I happen to disagree, too, with ifm's suggestion "put them in the general population", but I wholly understand why he said it. We've all seen that red mist on occasions.

We need to see this from all angles.

I really have to say that you're being unfair to IFM here

You say with regards to the above comment that "it's hardly going to help a group of people who have been hurt by an outsider" but IFM has selflessly and entirely of his own volition been helping this group of people on this forum from almost it's inception and what you seem to omit is that he himself is one of these people that has been hurt and disgusted by this.

For the record i agree entirely with IFM about putting people that hurt children in general population and not protecting them on the muppet wing, you hurt a child you deserve everything you get.

I do cheat slightly!! I have one of those state of the art laptops that can translate peoples voices into computer text, one download of babymonkey language translator later and voila ;D

To be honest, there's fuck all you can say in situations like these.

You just have to realise that the world can be a truly messed-up place sometimes. Then you have to get on with life.

End of story...

I'm sorry tikay.  I hugely respect you, & your views.  Ifm is probably a great guy. I'm sure in a private conversation in a pub we could have an open & honest discussion / argument about it.

But in your post you ask who knows the facts.  I'm afraid that's irrelevant.

Publicly condemning someone for the actions of someone else is wrong.  If he believes that she was complicit, he should take his proof / beliefs to the police & let them investigate.

In this counry we still have that old fashioned idea of innocence until proven guilty.

This Mikky bloke is obviously guilty.  That is all we know, and that is all we should be discussing.

Exactly, well said.

I think the 'general population' bit refers to where he should be in prison.  From what I read he was saying don't protect the offender from the rest of the cons - and let them deal out their justice.  I'm pretty sure he wasn't advocating him being free.

Just in case there's any confusion here.

It's true though.

You can debate until the cows come home about what happened, who's to blame and about how shocked you are. But the harsh reality of it is that things like this will ALWAYS go on. And you will never, ever be able to make any sense of them.

Personally I think this thread should be closed.

...It'll just cause arguments.

IMF has posted his thoughts on the subject. Indeed there is the issue of one being allowed to make a potentially slanderless statement but that is for the site owners to make a decide whether it should be removed. I however disagree just because someone is a "much loved member of the forum" that they should not be questioned or even "attacked" on an issue. Reminds me of when several people told me not to question MikkyT for what I thought was an inapprioriprate sexiest comment because they informed me MikkyT is a top bloke and would never mean it in such a bad way. Guess being a much cared member buys you some protection. Being a popular/much cared member of the forum is not a justifyable reason why somebody should never be questioned on something that they have said.

Some people will call it as we see it and sod the popularity contest which I think is a good thing as long as it kept civil and not become a bitchfest or break any legal issues such as slander.

No, really, if The Mods had any sense, this thread will be deleted.

Oh, I may have misunderstood, sorry.

FWIW, & notwithstanding my view of lynch mobs, I am very content in my mind that Mikky will be propely "looked after" by his fellow Cons inside.
Ifm & I are, really, of the same mind here - we utterly denounce child abuse, no caveats. We just come at how to deal with the aftermath, & what others did & did not know, from different angles. That won't cause us to fall out - I hope.

Almost certainly.

Which is not what I actually think about him, but was my immediate response to his post.

I feel so far out of my depth here.  I tried to offer an objective view from someone a couple of steps away from the people concerned.

I feel I have overstepped the mark myself.

So please, ifm, accept my apologies.

What I was trying to say is that we KNOW who is guilty. We don't know anything else about the people concerned.  As such we should keep our condemnation towards him, & not bring other people into it.

Long ago when I had a proper job, working for the DHSS there was this geezer. He was a bit strange, everyone thought, but perfectly polite, diligent and could have a laugh with the rest of us.

About a year after I left the job I read in the local paper he was a paedophile and convicted of even more (if that's possible) vile assaults than MikkyT. He was sentenced to life in prison.

I felt sick and slightly guilty. Was there something I could have done? Should I have noticed something? The truth of the matter is, people like this are very good at covering their tracks and people veryclose to them are usually totally unaware of what they are doing. To accuse Poppet of shielding him is distasteful in the extreme.

Since Jake was born, I have become much more aggressive in my defence of kids. But, I still believe paedophiles are ill, not criminals. They should be treated, not punished. And obviously kept away from children until there is a 0% chance of them repeating what they did.

they do,ergo  it is !!

indefensible imo.

I would start a new thread... but I still haven't worked out how to post pictures  ;hide;

I hope it does.

Like I said, i'm new here, and I dont know anybody that's involved in this, but talking about it is fruitless.

Great post

And what a (no offence dealer) silly thing to call for the thread to be closed. This is a forum and in turn in the section, named general discussion. Its great to see people point of view on what is in reailty a horriffic post. This is far far from over as other accusations have been thrown into debate which must be either proven or disproven.
There would not be much to say about any of the posts made by everyone on here if i came along everytime and said, "thats just the way it is so there!"

give me a phone when the time is right i will TALK you through it, it will only take a few seconds

That and we all have differing views on what constituent as justice. I'm petty liberal on most subjects but kidddie fiddles I'm not. Therefore the red mist and the desire to give retribution of a physical nature will always be there for me.  ;nemesis;  ;snoopy'sguns;

It is NOT our current intention to Lock or remove this thread. Argument & debate is fine, so long as it's civil, & within the law.

We ALL, equally, condemn Mikky's disgusting behaviour, & the Law has found him Guilty, so we can say it how it is.

I don't think any of us know what he told Poppet, truth or lies, or what she did or did not believe. She is a kid, I think she is straight, & was hoping for a Career looking after kids. So in my mind, I don't think it is likely that she would "protect" him - but I don't know, &  doubt if anyone other than Mikky or Poppet do.

I dont know where to start on this, apart from I hope Mikky dies a slow agonising death. You may think thats harsh but as a parent and someone whos closest friends 12yr old daughter was raped by a convicted rapist it is nothing. That animal deserves no protection(segregation ) from the prison popoulation. Where was the protection for those 2 innocent boys?

Kieth you are not alone in thinking you would kill anyone who would harm your child, its a natural parental reaction.

Thankfully I never met MT(cant bring myself to use his name) and Ive never spoken to poppet so I cant comment on that issue  .
A few of you who made friends with the animal are probably feeling sick, sad and totally betrayed by the bastard, but spare a thought for the mother of these boys who also was decieved by the animal and allowed him into her home. Your sense of betrayal and hurt is no where near hers. She will never forgive herself.

   
 

WHAT?!?!?! The guy managed to take in a woman & abuse her kids, but people who knew him through the board should have seen through him?

Basically there's someone from this board who's found out someone she was close to wasn't what she thought. To then accuse her of knowingly covering for him is disgraceful unless there's some proof.

That's NOTHING to do with a popularity contest & all to do with not hurting people who've already been hurt.

the only other accuastion thown into the mix have been how much another member of the forum knew about the reason mikky was in jail

i do not think that member would have a clue as to the real reason he was in jail and more than likely was told by mikky exactly what kev and others had thought he was in for

You misunderstand why I think it should be closed.

Healthy debate is fine. But a few things have been said here which aren't exactly going to calm the situation down.

I hardly think that issues as sensitive these are, or were ever, meant to be dissected via the Internet, where it's all to easy to say things without the safety of having to say them to someones face.

Hi All,,

As one of the owners of Blonde we are sickened by this man's actions. We will be forwarding on the original thread to the relevant authorities. It would have been wrong of us to close this link in the first instance. We all have a voice and it needs to be heard. I hope for some it has allowed you to vent, weep, and feel the real sorrow, we as a community feel, for the children and families that this monster has ruined.

God bless the children.

If you feel we should now end this thread we will.  Your posts will be the answer.! ! ! ! My keyboard is wet with tears and I am not ashamed of feeling sick.

Sorry, but the Thread remains open unless it get seriously out of hand.

Debate is fine.

Myself & the Mods have recently been described as "the blonde Nazis" on another Forum because we try to keep this place decent & civil, but debate is, & always was, fine.

I'm not sure what the upside of posting pics of your kids is. If there's a one in a zillion chance that someone will see it and take an interest in your child then the downside outways it imo.

Also there's a chance that being poker players one of us may one day win the WSOP or similar and then kidnapping becomes a concern although admittedly a small one, I haven't heard of kidnaps in this country for ages but poker is obv a worldwide phenomena these days.

There's also the fact that I haven't got a clue how to post pics of course:)

Well IFM seems to have pretty intricate(if somewhat dilluted) knowlege about mikkyt being arrested in relation hitting hes own children, but he didnt SPECIFICALY say it was poppet so everyone is guessing, it could be very easily cleared up and i imagine it will be in the near future.

On the contrary, I think this is a really well run forum, compared to a few of the others i've been on.

It's your gaff mate. I just dont like to see people having a pop at each other like.

he speaks French too?!

But they werent designed to calm things down, this thread has not been active for 12 hours yet as far as im concerned i cetainl havent said anything i wouldnt say to anybodys face and i dont think anybody else has either. There is much more to this again and m sure will take a long time to die down. You stated you're a newbie, that doesnt matter you have as much right to comment on this as anyone but i just had to express my opposition n the thread so mods dont think people want it to be closed.

Well the way I read ifm's Post, (on page 4 or 5 of this thread) I thought he DID specifically name someone. If I read it wrong - & it seemed most of us took it the same say - I  apologise to ifm. My reading of his Post was that he named names, & I felt we needed to get some balance on that.

We would be grateful if ifm's Post was not "quoted" in Posts, it's there for all to see, but I see no need to muddy the water still further right now.

You maybe right Byron. But, I feel I have alot of frieds on Blonde and I want to share pictures of Jake with them. You can't live life not trusting everyone. Unfortuantely occassionally you will be let down.

WHAT?!?!?! My point is about the use of the words "a much cared for member of the forum" like it is a reason for not to question. Why should somebody withhold there views just because they are "a much cared for member of the forum". Everybodys accountable come what may. I don't know whether Poppet has done anything wrong or not, that was an acquisation made by IMF. As I already said in an earlier post that we should not jump to any conclusions and Poppet should be allowed to respond to IFM claims. Maybe IFM knows something we don't. Maybe he has just made an outrageous acquisition. It is upto Poppet how she wants to deal with what IMF has said about her.

I'm not really sure what your point is as mine was against the words "a much cared for member of the forum" like they made a difference. Surely as a mod you aware that on occassions certain cliques like to collectively round on other posters and back there good buddies such as some people did for the former "much cared for member of the forum" MikkyT.

See. I told you.

mais oui, en peu! erm ooo aaaahhhhh ooooo


 ;iagree;

Your opinion was noted.

My sentiments exactly.

This debate isn't helpful. I'll leave it with the following:

If you look back to the post where MikkyT's real whereabouts (prison) came out you'll see that Poppet took plenty of stick - it's nothing to do with "much cared for member of the forum" or what 'clique' someone is in. If someone came on making allegations that you'd sheilded a child molester without any evidence I'd defend you as much as Poppet, Tikay, or someone who'd only posted once.

Can I just say, that Blonde Forum is very well moderated and people are allowed to express themselves through debate as long asa it remains civil. The Owners and Mods of this forum are happy with the way this thread is going.
If you dont like it, dont click on the thread

What a terrible day, my thoughts are with the children and families affected by all this. Blonde will get through this but this is certainly the worst thing that has ever happened to this community and to be honest i can't think of anything worse. I don't think the mud slinging is helping, I think we should let Poppet explain herself and then judge.

Stop this "who said what" attitude.  You ,me or anyone else posting on this topice is not important. What matters are that we all care about what happened.

Keith you hit the nail on the head re pictures of Jake. When you walked into the casino that first night and showed us all his picture you stood ten feet tall and it was better than winning the WSOP. My wall at work is covered in pictures of my kids and I will not let some bas----d ruin my way of life, or my pride in my family.

Not at all I merely used it as an example of how blinded some people are on here about what great mates they are via this vitual medium. No bee, no bonet, I just find it laughable at how great mates everybody are and protective of eachother without really knowing there so called friends. But then some people may be great friends and just crap judges of character.

You do have a habit of making assumptions don't you. What a wonderful skill.   ::)

p.s. feel free to pm me as I don't indeed to post on this thread anymore

At the risk of fanning the flames can I make a couple of points.

I think that what ifm said was wrong & should be retracted, but I think I overstepped the mark in what I said about him.

I think we must try and avoid this becoming a thread where we start taking our anger out on each other.

When I first read the media reports I might have misread them, but the attacks mentioned seemed terrible in their violence, but I didn't see where this moved over to sexual attacks.  Therefore I think there is a lot that we haven't been told about this case.

If it is that complex, I worry about us oversimplifying things just to suit ourselves.  This man is obviously a deep, sick, individual.  He has been capable of disguising his disgusting urges from everybody, until one brave youngster had the bravery to talk about him.   If he could hide  his sickness from everyone he knew, we should be careful not to blame ourselves, or other people for not being able to spot it.

From some of the recent posts I fear that we are in danger of taking out our anger on each other, not on the guilty party.

Totally sick.

I just don't seem to have much luck. Paedo number 2 i have befriended in poker. The sport is horrible, full of sick, twisted fuckers.

For those of you who used to post on the Betfair Poker Forum you will have known 'Squiddy'.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2005/12/14/fb095a87-029e-4dd5-93bc-2712164abdbc.lpf

I shared a hotel room with this sick fuck at the first Betfair game. I also shared a beer or 2 with Mikky at the EPT Deauville in 2006. I feel sick that i know these people and like Rod said, i feel i have to share some of the guilt as i know/knew them.

sick sick sick

I am surprised that any negative comments about Poppet have been made.  I am sure She would not have known the truth, any person regardless of how they felt about their partner/friend would not protect them under these circumstances. Every single member of the Blonde forum has been taken for a fool by Mikky, even some very intelligent forum members who were friends with him where not aware. It would have been impossible to know the real truth about what he was up to. Sadly the people who do these terrible crimes are also good at making others believe what they want them to.  Poppet would have been the first to tell the forum had she known the truth.   The fact is, she is probably more shocked than anyone of us right now.

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Approxiamately 0% of the blame can be put on poppet.

TBC'd!

Ok i see to have caused a bit of a storm, oddly i actually took the time to think about what i posted before doing so!
I was very angry on a few levels.
Firstly i opened the thread expecting to know what it contained, i had kept a confidence remember that poppet had said Mikky was awaiting trial for hitting his kids pissed and drugged up one night during an argument with his ex.
Secondly my kids pics are in that thread.
Thirdly i had met the guy and my skin crawled when i read what he had done.
Fourthly i know 2 women who were abused as kids and i have seen from closehand the effect that has in later life.

I admit i had rashly jumped from one conclusion to another, Poppet had lied originally about the whole granny thing because she was protecting him then onto that she lied about what he actually was arrested for.
i accept that she may never have known the full extent of what he was arrested for and i appologise if that is the case, probably not good enough i know but there is little else i can do.

As some have pointed out "general population" means when you are NOT seggregated in prison, i believe that the fear of regular beatings by the rest of the prison population would be an added deterrant to these perverts. I also believe in castrating the monsters but that's personal politics.

I saw Poppet recently at Luton and asked her what had happened to MikkyT. Her answers were, I felt, genuine and the truth in her eyes. I don't think for a moment that she was lying to me - and what she thought was happening to him was a long way from what was really going on.

She told me that MikkyT had been arrested because of a fight at his Missus house where he had accidentally stamped on his childs head during a tussle/argument.

Poppet seemed genuinely shocked by that as it was but hopeful that what she had heard wasn't as bad as it was painted.

I don't know Poppet that well but I don't think that she had any idea of the nature of the true offence.

I have suffered abuse when younger, I would not defend anyone in this matter if it wasn't justified, I hope I'm right.

 :goodpost: ifm.

Nobody will bear any grudge I'm sure.

im sorry can someone point something out for me,
the police statment said that he watched kids porn,(fuck i feel sick writing it)
was he convicted for messing around with kids or just whacking and hitting them ?????/im so sorry ive had to ask it really upsets me to even think of what he did i just wanted to know what hes been found guilty of ?

I think he was convicted for:

Michael Thomas, 29, a prisoner in Barlinnie, admitted using lewd and libidinous practices towards the boys, aged seven and eight.

According to the news article anyway...

He admitted a charge of 'lewd and libidinous practices' towards the boys and also to having 13 images of child pornography on his computer.

Fair play to you sir.

Read the link on madasahatstands post (page1). Tells the whole thing on the sick paedo bastard

Just reread the entire thread and instead of arguments and retributions I think Red sums it up the best the reaction we should have to this awful news.

Read it and think.

I already read it, it was at the start of the thread

Without disparaging toms post these are all givens for any decent normal human being.

I dont know what you assume of the averege blondite to write: "read it and think" 8 pages later.

The fact that there were 8 more pages suggests Red's post wasn't read and thought about by enough people.

What????????

no it does'nt!!!!

How patronising!

how about you all let people react how they want to react, and not expect them to react how you want them to react

Fair enough.

All I was trying to say was blaming Poppet and arguing over details is pretty pointless.

But you're right, my post was patronising and a waste of time.

This is incredibly upsetting news. My thoughts go out to the family and I hope they are able to move on and lead a happy life.

I'm not sure whether or not I met MikkyT at BB3. I hope I didn't.

Just got in and read this thread.

This has left me utterly speechless..

and very sad

Thankfully I never had the misfortune to meet this sick individual...........

 ;frustrated;

 ;nemesis;

I also happen to think Reds post is post of the year. can always rely on him to be the voice of reason.

As a father (of 2 young kids, still under 4) who tried to post pictures of them at the request of this sick twat, I dont think it is "unreasonable" or "un-blonde" for me be openly furious and sickened in equal measure.   I appreciate some people wont agree with my fury and disgust, but I do not understand anyone telling me what to think or say about the episode.  I am not interested in receiving praise or otherwise for my thoughts, I just want to get them out.

Even before I clicked on this thread I didn't think paedos deserve protection, or our reason.  They deserve anything the get over and above the sentence handed out to them.

this thread is so sad, for so many reasons - the idea that blondes could "fall out" with each other over this louse, is probably the saddest.

The people we should be feeling sorry for are our Blonde friends who were taken in by this guy, and offered him friendship. These are the ones who will be hurting most this evening. Direct your energies towards them - send them a pm, tell them you are there for them.

People are frightened of paedophelia. This is the reason for the perfectly natural reaction of threatning violence against its perpetrators. it makes you feel safe.

Safer than Mikky will be in B-Hall of the BarL anyway, thats for sure.

We all have views, and it is important to share and discuss them. Lets just keep it civil.

Well said  :goodpost:

Good post mate - I appologise for getting all angry too. It's so emotive a subject though.

And I totally agree - he gets what he deserves if the general population get to him.

i have read the whole thread nearly twice i just wanted to make sure 100%

I started this thread, and i have watched it grow over the last 16 or so hours.  When I decided to post this information, it was purely out of parental vigilance, I have had MikkyT in my home and he has had contact with my kids, He stayed over for 3 days on the trot at one point and this was the serious concern for both my wife and I when looking back.

I truely never suspected Mikky to be capable of such horrific acts.

All i really want to say is Please dont argue guys, the debates are great as always on blonde but to argue and infight makes no sense, we are all probably feeling a bit raw at the moment and to be honest that will fade and heal with time.

I see some people have mentioned Poppet and how she lied to cover up for Mikky being a Paedo, I truely dont believe she knew the extent of the trouble Mikky was in and I believe if she knew what Mikky was really all about then she would not have given the story of him being with his unwell nan.

As you can probably tell from the structure of this post my head is still halfway up my arse cos i still have not come to accept the news properly and I am having a bit of a " how could i not know" moment.

Peace out and please be civil.

Billy I only bumped into Mikky a few times in the Riverboat and CinCins, as well as the interactions on here, and while I formed the opinion that the T could well stand for Twat, not for a second would I have imagined he was capable of these actions.

You certainly shouldn't be feeling bad about yourself. You did someone a good turn, and have subsequently discovered it was far from deserved.

Absolutely disgusting, i cant believe i shared so many tables with this sicko, and even started a thread about going to lunch with him and poppet when she was up in glasgow visiting us(with group pictures of us all having a great time together!! totally sickened!




Billy - As i said on the phone earlier mate, there is nothing that anyone could have done, as we were all totally stumped by this.

And can you tell Gail, that Janet is thinking about her and the kids through all this.

Geez a phone later mate if you want

Dave

 :goodpost:

Well said Dave.

She was asked to say that Mikky was with his Nan by Mikky but she believed (as I understood it) that he was on remand waiting for his case to be heard re possible domestic violence (as mentioned before) rather than anything like this. I assume he strung her along with that story.
From what I know of Poppet she is a lovely young girl and eager to get on with people, I'm sure her only crime is naivety.

I can't say that I sit easily with conversations of the type that are happening on here happening whilst a trial is still in progress (the court hasn't yet made it's ruling - so it is technically still in progress), and as people have been giving information that could be construed by the court as impinging on the integrity of the trial (tenuous I know - but you wouldn't want to be the people that made the trial fall over would you?). I'd suggest to the mods and owners to be very careful about what is allowed to be discussed on here, and even what stays on here. Am I talking out of thin air? No, and anyone that knows me knows that I know what I am talking about (some of you probably grudgingly admit that - not that I am bothered, to be honest).

It's awful, shocking and nasty. Having to deal with a predator in the midst of a community is never anything short of horrific, and if it is someone that you know on a personal level then it does leave you feeling shocked, hurt, sickened and a bit like a fool to have "not realised".

You can't tell though, 92% of convicted predators have NEVER had a criminal conviction or even a police warning - looks like Mikky was a bit of a stats breaker there.

I've been in this situation twice - people I know have been discovered to be predators. There's always a lot of soul searching going on, and then anger, and then incredulation.

A large part of my job is to find and prevent predators from infiltrating the website I work for. I am specially trained. Did I see it in this case? No.

Blonde is strong. Look after each other in this horrible time. 

Heid, i thought i read he had been convicted and proven guilty to serve 6 yrs

He has been convicted and sentenced...

"A 29-YEAR-OLD man was jailed for six years yesterday for abusing two boys.

There were shouts of "scum" as Michael Thomas was led from the dock at the High Court in Edinburgh to start his prison sentence.

Lord Hodge told Thomas: "Your behaviour towards these children was wholly unacceptable and will cause lasting damage.

"You are assessed as posing a high risk of reoffending and a high risk of harm."

He ordered Thomas to be put on the sex offenders' register and kept under supervision for a further six years after his release. "

20 March 2007
PERVERT JAILED FOR ATTACKS ON BOYS
A 29-YEAR-OLD man was jailed for six years yesterday for abusing two boys.

There were shouts of "scum" as Michael Thomas was led from the dock at the High Court in Edinburgh to start his prison sentence.

Lord Hodge told Thomas: "Your behaviour towards these children was wholly unacceptable and will cause lasting damage.

"You are assessed as posing a high risk of reoffending and a high risk of harm."

He ordered Thomas to be put on the sex offenders' register and kept under supervision for a further six years after his release.

Thomas assaulted and sexually abused the boys at a flat in Paisley and an address in Lanarkshire in 2005 and last year.


One victim told how Thomas put his feet around his neck, effectively choking him.


The other boy said he pushed his head into a sink of water and slapped him on the leg with a wire.


After the abuse was reported to police, officers seized a computer from Thomas's home in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, and found 13 indecent pictures of children.


Thomas pleaded guilty and his lawyer, Frank Gallagher, told the court: "He fully appreciates there is no alternative but to impose a substantial custodial sentence."


Last night the boys' mother said her sons had been "traumatised" by Thomas, who yelled "I'm sorry, I'm sorry" at her outside court.


She said the boys were now seeing psychologists and had started wetting their beds.


She said: "This man stole a big part of my kids' lives. I don't think six years is enough. He should be spending at least 10 years in jail."

Was it Maureen? The report I read from the top of the thread was that the judge was taking leave to get reports before sentencing?

If that's the case, then legally it's a more open route to let people say what they want - wide open in fact. But I'd still suggest caution for allowing people to hope he gets the shite kicked out of him in prison - if he was injured - again it could be used in court, certainly if the person saying it was known to him.

My feelings on the above are not relevant in this.. I am merely being objective.

See.. that's what happens when you lot make sucj big threads.. takes me ages to read em .. the courts move faster than I read!

Thankfully, I haven't had any dealings with this individual on Blonde.

All I can say is I know what it's like from the victim's point of view. When I was nine years old, I was kidnapped, beaten, and very nearly raped. The guy who did this was 16 years old at the time. One image I always remember is having a knife thrown at my head, and managing to duck just in time as it smashed into a television behind me. He also threated and twice attempted to kill me. Luckily, I managed to escape after about three hours of this constant abuse. There wasn't a single part of my body that wasn't covered in bruises. I was too embarrassed to tell my parents the full extent of my ordeal. These days, I'm much more open about what happened. For his crime, my attacker got six months in a youth prison, whilst I've had to live with the emotional scars it has left for the rest of my life. It's probably the main reason why I'm wary of strangers and rarely make an effort to make new friends. He's the only person in the world, who if I met again face to face, I would kill in an instant. And I wouldn't need a knife to do it.

MickkyT only gets six years for his actions. The children and families he's hurt have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.

Hello Everyone, I have only just been informed about this thread, I have read through it and thought I better explain myself, I knew this day would come sooner or later. Please try to bear with me whilst I come to terms with it myself...

As most of you know I was close to Mikky during Sept/Oct 2006. I visited him at his house and believed he was a good friend, and a good person. I noticed he'd been offline for a while at the end of Oct and he called me from prison telling me he'd been accused of HURTING the children, he told me he was drunk and didn't have a story so he didn't know what he'd done. He said the kids had got up one morning and gone straight to their Grans and then she came to pick up his daughter too. Then he was arrested.

He wrote to me a few times and said his Nan was ill, he asked me to tell you, the blonde forum, that he was visiting her in Liverpool. As his friend, I stupidly tried to protect him and only confided in a few close friends about it. I asked for advice and they said that all I could do was wait for the truth to come out and deal with the consequences.

I thought those consequences would be along the lines of "Poppet is a liar"... I never, in my wildest dreams thought that I would ever be accused of covering up for a dirty child abuser. Maybe it's natural to think that of me? But I am telling you all now, I would never ever cover up for anyone, even if I was madly in love with someone. Child abuse is not acceptable, or in any way forgiveable... I know, because I experienced it when I was 5 years old and remember it vividly.

So I can imagine how those poor children feel, and unfortunately, it will probably haunt them forever, which is why I believe Mikky deserves longer inside.

It sickens me to think that I stayed at his house, and even used the computer that had digusting hidden images somewhere on it. I was stupid, foolish and naive...and I wish I had never met the guy.

I am no longer in contact with him, he called me in Feb but I didn't answer, and he wrote to me about 2 weeks ago and I didn't reply. If I ever write to him again it will only be to tell him exactly what I think of him.

If anyone wants any other answers I am happy to give them because I know I didn't hide anything and I will be honest about anything anyone asks me.

I apologise for lying about Mikky being at his Grans, but back then I just saw it as protecting a 'friend'.

Poppet

i belive you luv ,i dont think for one minute youd protect someone like that.....

Thank you, and also thank you to everyone that has stood by me and supported me. It means a lot.

does anyone else belive on here or are you to scared to admit it ????

i dont even know you,and i can tell by any of your posts, your very naive,there is nothing wrong with this........
this young girl has come on here and said her piece,i really think sometimes you guys are too hard.....if im wrong then im wrong...but serious guys,,,,i can tell you now.,., she didnt know........

What a sad sad day, to wake up and read this, like everyone I'm horrified.

Just a word for Poppet, I'm in my 40's have worked all over the world in the craziest of places and met so many diverse people it's unbelievable. I am still taken in by people who I believe are genuine, I always give people the benefit of the doubt and it drives my wife crazy.
I maintain though that this is the only way to be, if I was suspicious and untrusting of everyone I would never get anywhere and the very good friends I have around the world I wouldn't have. I wouldn't change it for the world despite being let down and hurt often.
Keep your heart and your mind open, dont let this change you or for that matter don't let it change any of us in the Blonde family.

As a father my heart goes out to the family I wish there was something we could do to help! Any suggestions are welcome.

I think in the absence of any evidence to the contrary you have to take Poppet at her word. Anything else is just pure speculation.

All i can say from a poker players view which means life revolves around money is donate donate donate! There are plenty of charities we could all donate too! Maybe NSPCC?? im sure it would be possible to pool money together on here somehow!

Lets not forget this kid was brave enough to come forward but 1000's of kids cant coz of the horrible abuse, we can play our part in stopping it aswell!

i agree

u come across as a nice girl

put this down as a notch to life experience,but don't let it affect you too much.....

he seems to have manipulated a lot of people in his time...I hear these type do

im friends with poppet and have told her the same -

naive - yes
dumb - possibly

an evil or horrible person  = def. not imo

smithy loves poppet.,.,.a happy ending ???? (sort of?)lol.,.,
serious guys i didnt like to say it but sorry poppet you are a bit soft lol my sisters the same she talks to anyone in the street.,.,shes crackers.,.,.chin up poppet.,.you got sucked in by a piece of dirt, now you wiped it of you feet and walk with clean shoes.,.,.,.,.hey that was good wasnt it ??

Yes mate that might be an idea. I applaud the work the NSPCC or the SSPCC do but I always find it difficult to justify giving to these types of charities when the running and administration costs take  90%+ of the money donated, I will give it some thought though.

i can say it now im leaving.,.,dont give it to game for life

Also, I;d just like to try and explain something else. When Mikky told me he'd been accused of hurting the kids, and said he was drunk so couldn't remember I remember thinking it was just his ex pissing about cos he'd told me all this stuff about her and led me to believe she was a psycho, so I sort of thought "oh well it's just her being a bitch as usual". I never met his kids but I heard him talk to them before and he sounded very calm and friendly, and patient with them that I never believed he would harm children. So, I was naive in that sense too.

When I told Mikky about my experience when I was younger, he cried.... I don't get that

Excellent, those were just the ones that came to mind first. If anybody knows of any others then please post. Im sure veryone will donate after how personally this has effected us all!

come on blonde people i feel sick to my stomach about what has happened.,.,but would you let one bad apple spoil the barrel,i had pics up on his thread of my boy andim fuming,i know i didnt know him but i chatted with him on here a few times and thought he was a prick.,.,.,but that was my opinion.,.,.
""""COME ON BLONDES CHIN UP""""

OR I WILL DO A DRAWING THAT WILL FRIGHTEN THE LIFE OUT OF YOUR KIDS IF YOU SHOW THEM.,.,.,lets all cheer up.,.,i cant leave this site till you all put this behind you and move on.,.,.its happened hes in prison.,.,he wont get back on here with the real ironside watching.,.,.cheer up now.,.,or else i will DRAW,.,.,

How do these things work?   Does 6 years mean 6 years, or will that be three years if he behaves in Prison?   Or as his crime is one of the most serious, he will actually get 6 years?      ( Not sure if that makes sense.  My brain is tiring right now )

Poppet, I don't think you had to come on and explain yourself at all but fair play to you for doing so in what comes across as a very open and honest post.

No surprise there, if there's two things that have always characterised the way you conduct yourself on blonde they've been simplicity and honesty. In a forum full of duplicitous poker players used to playing their cards close to their chest this sticks out a country mile!

I'm sure you're hurting at the news more so than most of the people who've posted their disgust, especially given your experiences and previous friendship with mikky.

I'd take any negative comments made with a pinch of salt. People often come out with things they don't mean in the aftermath of shocking events like this.

Most people will feel a lot of sympathy for you, as well as for the kids and other victims involved in this.

Best of luck to you in everything :)

 :)up :)up

normally if you get 6 years you do half with good behaviour thats 99% of the time plus any time hes been on remand will be deducted from his sentence,with what he did im not sure if they have to do the full whack.,.,

Last year the NSPCC spent 58% of it's budget on running and administration costs.

This doesn't compare very favourably with some other charities who spend as little as 20%.

The NSPCC's justification of this is that most of this extra cost covers the advertising and marketing costs behind raising awareness campaigns which don't necessarily also raise money.

I'm not expressing an opinion but I thought this might help people in a wider sense make their own mind up about the merits of donating to the NSPCC as opposed to other charities.

I believe it means he will be elligible for 'parole' in 3 years time and of course he will be on good behaviour. He will be registed on the sex offender register then will be under a supervision period when he is released, possibly with an electronic tag (depending on how dangerous they think he is) thn around 5-6 years the supervision order will be lifted and will be allowed to move or do anyhing he wants agin (of course will be banned from ever working in a job involving children but thats it)!!!!!!!!!!!! He will be allowed to buy a house next to a school, the new neighbours may never be informed about his convictions and he will start a new life. Its disgusting!!!

Poppet, I don't think you had to come on and explain yourself at all but fair play to you for doing so in what comes across as a very open and honest post.

No surprise there, if there's two things that have always characterised the way you conduct yourself on blonde they've been simplicity and honesty. In a forum full of duplicitous poker players used to playing their cards close to their chest this sticks out a country mile!

I'm sure you're hurting at the news more so than most of the people who've posted their disgust, especially given your experiences and previous friendship with mikky.

I'd take any negative comments made with a pinch of salt. People often come out with things they don't mean in the aftermath of shocking events like this.

Most people will feel a lot of sympathy for you, as well as for the kids and other victims involved in this.

Best of luck to you in everything



 :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: ;iagree; ;iagree; ;iagree;greatpost thats what i meant but im chit at typing

poppett ive never met you,however i just wanted to add that you have nothing imo to be ashamed of and you were taken for a ride and i am sure that the people of blonde do not think you tried to cover for michael in any devious way.Thank you for replying to the thred.

I think it's half your time if your sentenced to under 5 years 2/3 if over.

Correct - taking into account time on remand he will be in normally for less than 3 years.

I thought these things were a lot harsher than that.  It just doesn't seem right that a person can do something like that and possibly be back enjoying life in only 3 years.  Wasn't the Government going to introduce a thing which prevented offenders like this from ever being near Kids?   I know that is almost impossible, but the idea that an offender could move into an area that puts Kids in danger is crazy.  I have no intention of having Kids, so I will never have to worry about my own, but it must be a constant worry for all Parents.  When you don't have Kids, it is never someone you even consider to be honest

What an upsetting thread, I didn't doubt you for a minute and thanks for replying.

he was sent down in a scotish court which means a scottish sentance which could see him on the streets in 2 years

i thought you could spell?

I would guess that it will be almost impossible for him to find a job, very difficult to get to see his children, his computer skills (he was a computer somethingorother yeah?) will be out of date, online poker will be much tougher and I'm not even sure if he's that good now and he won't have a bankroll, nobody will want to know him and nobody will want him living near them.

all the best sofa

thought u were leaving


u cant..

'just when u thought u were out,they suck u back in'..mafia style


lol

lol last day sunday to many mates in the gukpt.,.,and i really felt i should try to cheer the forum up after this shit day.,.,

who told you that rbbish i am the only person i know more illerate than you

im leaving i can say what i like to mods and admin fook off hehe.,.,

Sofa, don't leave!

hey we are adults we are used to it

fuck that where's my table?

now come on pop


he has made his decision


'the lady aint for turning'

you can fook off too lol.,.

I'll miss him though! :(

WHAT!! Only one third of the time sentenced? that disgusting!!!!!

True.  I meant able to start over.   I just assumed it would be tougher than possibly three years.  I may be wrong, but the  current system where an act like this is removed from a persons life history after 6 years is not a good thing. It should be a constant thing on every document they encounter in their daily lives. For example a passport should have a coding that details an incident such as this.  Even a simple lettering such as SO on the inside cover would possibly prevent Children in vulnerable countries being put in danger. There wouldn't be the free movement by the offender after 6 years, if they knew that they were under constant surveillance by  this way. Travel abroad, etc would not be allowed. If however they needed to travel for medical treatment abroad, this would be granted with an agreement with the police of that country that they are to check in each morning, etc or possibly they must wear a tag while being a guest in that country

see how soft you are.,.,.,im a mafia boss who sticks horses heads in bed for fun.,.,.,and you love me.,.,i dunno havent you learnt anything.,.,
 ;D

there is no hard and fast rule but its possible

its also possilbe that he could serve all 6 years but that is unlikely

Seriously i bumped the where's mikkyt thread a bit back as i got to wondering about the length of time he was missing, Met him once and okay he was a bit of a knob but this has left me feeling sick all day. As a father i don't want to imagine what i would feel like if it was my child.


Sorry for the ramble too late at night. but poppet i don't think you are liable for anything than being young and naive

OK ive havent logged on for a few days and have just read this thread and I just dont get it?

I know I am going to be shot down from all angles but I would like to put my point of view forward.

I met and spoke to Mikky at the last Blonde Bash and to me he seemed like a nice guy as many others have agreed.

Why has he been given 6yrs?

He has been accused of choking a kid with his feet round his neck...doesnt this sound like playful banter that has been twisted? If he really wanted to harm the kid he would have used his hands.

Slapped on the leg with a wire? Surely "slapped" says that he did not whip the kid with the wire and it was perhaps just a playful "slap"

Even dipping his head in a sinkful of water while he was washing can be seen as playful banter.

13 indecent pics is nothing...if he is a paedophile he would have had hundreds/thousands...im sure many of us have clicked on links not knowing until after what we clicked on.

Stepping on the kids head I agree is nasty but then again could have been accidental in the heat of the moment.

Did he have any previous that anyone was aware of?

Like I said I expect a backlash from my post but I just dont get why he got 6yrs

you dont get 6 years for playfull banter and you dont admit guilt in a court if you think it was playful banter you admit guilt to get a lighter sentance

Suzanne, he admitted it all. If it was just playful he would've said so in court.

He has not admitted to sexual assualt...thats my point

He admitted sexual assault?

He admitted to sexual abuse as well as the assaults you've mentioned Suzanne.

he pleaded guilty to secaul assult in court

hi suzanne,how u doing?


u articulated my thoughts too,I just didnt have the nerve to post

i put my thoughts to possibly facts have been left out and indeed he has carried out a deviant act ( sexual nature )


I'd rather not know to be honest...

your spellings chit

So's yours.

The charge doesn't quite fit with what was described - to me this suggests that some details were left out. Probably an editorial decisioin that they were too unsavoury.

The Papers would not report the details anyway. Its not in the public's interest

but i get it wrong on purpose to wind yall.,.,.,.up lol

Yeh off coarse ewe doo!

i gt itwrong cause i am using my lappy while lying on my back in bed under doctors orders

but if i was up and about it would be much worse

lol

WHOOOSSSSHH




DOUBLE WHOOSH

Thats my point...6yrs does not justify what we have been told.

Well he obviously got it for a reason and he was warned about it before he went to court because he wrote to me saying he expected 5/6 years.

We'll never know the full story.

...details were left out...

Ok fair enough

I still want to know what he has done apart from what has been in the papers?

Is there any way of finding out?

nope

Well then, unless he contacts me or someone else we won't know.

Personally, I don't want to know any more than I already do Poppet.

We know.....

What was reported in the papers, including quotes from the Court.

That to get 6 years inside, & be placed on the Sex Offenders register for 6 years, it must be extremely serious.

That's more than enough for me, I just want to move on, & for the abused kids to start to enjoy their life, free at last from the fear they have lived with.

Yes, I agree. I don't want to know the details of it.

Sorry im quite pissedf but that is wrong i font like judgeing people by the new or whatever but errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

stomach pump?

I tried posting on here wrecked one night, was so funny and i had about 4 pms to reply to so cant think what state they were sent in!!!

Wouldn't it just be far better if this was the end of this thread and nobody put another post on here. At least this would be the end of the sordid tale and we can forget about it and the person involved.

Don't even bother posting an agreement to this message just leave it from now on and the post will slip away forever............

Yes, let's stick our heads in the sand and pretend it never happened. That'll do a lot of good.

Seeing as the prisons are full to the brim with offenders anyway, he might spend even less time in prison. The guy who attacked me only got six months, and he was a repeat offender as well. I don't want to know what a person has done to get a six year sentence.

If it's any consolation Poppet, I believe you. I think you're young and naive, and a little too trusting, but guilty of nothing more than that. I'm saddened to hear that you've been through a similar experience too.

re the posts about the sentancing, how long he will serve etc.  Let's not forget that (if I recall correctly) 1 in 6 children will be the victim of sexual abuse.  That's almost 10 million people in the population at the moment who have suffered.  I would put money on the fact the the vast majority of the perpetrators of that abuse have not paid for their crimes.  There will be a myriad of reasons why these people have not been reported.  In this case, as I said a while back, one of the little boys involved very bravely did the right thing and told an adult, who called the police.

Yes, Mikky's crimes were sick.  If there's one glimmer of hope in the reports, it's that he admitted his crimes and appeared to show remorse and guilt (I suspect Poppet that guilt is also the reason he cried when you told him of your experiences).  Let's hope in this case the system works as it should and Mikky comes out in a few years having learned his lesson.  Whatever happens, it's got to be preferential to the people that never get found out and destroy 100s of lives without facing the consequences.

Apologies if this is a bit of a garbled post.

have just read through the whole thread, and this in one of the reasons blonde works so well, it brings "local news" to a much wider audience:

many of you have said you met the man at some point or another and had NO IDEA he was that type of person. Can you imagine him being released in a few years, being relocated to your area, meeting up with him again and taking him in as he spun some kind of "sob story", something i think he sounds very capable of doing.

I APPLAUD BLONDE and it's MEMBERS for bringing this to the attention of all.

As for Poppet, why should she know anymore about the man than the rest of you that had met him, she IMO was obviously taken in by whatever stories he told her, and being as many have put, naive, young, maybe lonely was an easy target for his "affections" These type of people are very clever at manipulating people they regard as a "soft touch"

I admire Poppet for coming on and explaining herself, good luck in the future Poppet.

Just my thoughts. I could go on all day about the bastards that commit these sort of crimes!!!!

Its early and I am work, so not that happy, so be warned

Suzanne said it was only 13 pictures - ONLY - Please tell ME you are kidding

ANYONE WHO DOWNLOADS 1 PICTURE IS A SICK PERVERT, LET ALONE 13 - PLUS WHAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUT BY THE MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not a horrible person, and will buy you a drink at BB - but as a parent I am just flabbergasted at that comment

I know what she means though, count the images on your average website and it's a hell of a lot more than 13.  When you hear about  other offenders in the news, they have thousands of images.

Clearly I'm not defending it, I just know where Suzanne is coming from here.

Glad to see you're still about Poppet and I hope you're ok :)

One picture is enough and i ive never clicked a link by mistake and went into anything resembling the photos that he must have. i think you need to know what your looking for to be able to do that. as for 6 years sentance. this is a large sentance for the crime he committed. some of these people only get 2 years so the crime must have been bad. i really dont want to know any details either. the sentance coupled with the fact he pleaded guilty indicates that its very serious. the judge usually takes a view to the positive if you plead guilty
the guy is a seriously dangerous person.  one positive as claw said, it that he apparently shouted sorry. this is highly unusual for a beast. they usually deny it and blame it on the child, or the booze or the drugs etc. that said, doesnt mean he wont do it again. sick fecker........ someone mentioned they thought this kind of person had an illness. these mpeople know exactly what they are doing. they are control freaks and will groom children for years and years. they are sick yes, but not ill. 'i couldnt help it cause im ill'. bollox!! i strangely feel more angry about this today than i did yesterday for some reason. i wont share my violent thoughts as enough violence has taken place. i just hope the children are young enough to forget

what a fecking world we live in :(

Totally agree, but im digusted at the comment that you want to know the details. It was sexual assault against children, isnt that enough ,that you want to know the exact details FFS

I don't think he meant it like that. Just wondering what the hell he could've done to get 6 years. I wouldn't know if that's a short or long sentence, but people seem to be shocked it's so long.

And some of us are shocked it's not much longer. He could potentially be out in 3 years, hope he doesn't plan to come to bb15.  ;nemesis;

I was agreeing with smithy, but you are way off if you think people are shocked at it being so long, they are shocked he only
got 6 yrs.The bastard should have got life.
Could it be for the sake of the 2 children in the effort for them to try and get over this horrendous ordeal that the exact details were ommited from the news,thankfully.

WOW, its sick. its bad enough what he has done but to then ask for pictures of kids to be posted i think is getting everybody even more angry/pissed off because it means he has used blonde. Im not even sure if what im writing makes sense.

I honestly cant remember if i posted any of my kids, i hope not.

Suzanne, the guy pleaded GUILTY in court to sexual assaults/attacks or whatever it was what more do you need to know, I dont think 6 years is enough, the kids involved will probably be suffering longer that.


on a side issue why is sofa king leaving

He's not he thinks he is but noone is going to let him so its all in his head!! >:?

If you have posted pics of your kids, they were posted for the right reasons and posted because you were proud of them :)  As The Camel said earlier, we stick them up because from time to time, they do things that are amazing and they should be shared.   For this to stop us sharing out proudest moments would be wrong.

Not sure about Sofa, but his latest artwork is the bet yet :D

There was a guy on R5 recently, he was from one of the police units who work to track these kinds of people down.  Anyway, he said that it is possible to click on a link by accident, however if it happens more than a few times then it must be deliberate. He said, you have to be actively looking for these things.  Mikky MUST have been looking for this stuff, there can't have been any error if you read what the papers said .

Just read this whole thread with a tear in my eye. My son Jakob is 8 and is my entire reason for being and if anyone was to ever hurt him the only trial would be mine.

 Whatever Mikky has done he will not have a "soft" term and will not be up for parole after the 2-3 years as everyone expects, quite a high % of these scumbags don't ever make it out of jail after taking the easy option and doing themselves in (one can only pray he does to save any other children's lives from being ruined on his release). Whenever he gets near any of the general population he will be spat on, slapped,knifed (if they get chance) as nonces are the lowest denominator and a kind of unwritten rule between the other prisoners to make his life as miserable as possible whenever they get chance.

Poppet you have been daft in covering for a mate but I am 100% sure you didn't know about what he had been up to.

Suzanne - your comments disgust me and I like IFM always say it as I see it. My ex wife has had various "friends" since our divorce and if any of them "slapped" Jakob on his legs with wire, held his head under water or stood on his head then they would get exactly the same back from me and I'm the best part of 19 stone and 6ft 4 so you wouldn't want me standing on your head. I also would be likely to keep holding their head under the water. Playfull/ boisterous fighting? WTF? Are you really saying that that is acceptable? If you are I really hope you don't have or ever have kids yourself. 6 years IMO is about the tenth anyone harming/sexually abusing kids deserves- they should never see the light of day again and should never be allowed the chance to get near another child.

I am sorry for spoiling a "nice debate" Tikay but I am disgusted anybody could even think, "whats he got 6 years for". Remember people like Huntley and many others like him started with small inappropriate things that some would consider acceptable but most sane people would see as a warning. Those poor kids Mikyt has abused will never have a normal childhood and will live the rest of their lives with the mental scars, some of the kids abused by him may even turn into the abusers themselves in years to come as it has been proved a very high percentage of abusers were abused themselves as youngsters.

 The thread were Mikky asked for pictures of your kids should be kept and should referred to the child protection agencies as it may be used to increase his sentence if he was seen to be actively seeking children's images online (this was one of the offences Squiddy on the betfair forum was charged with).

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=21753.0

Note the first ever drawing of a Giraffe-hippo-zebra-kangaroo hybrid.

I spend at least 12 hours a day on the Internet, have done for over 7 years now, and have never clicked or seen a link that links to images of children like that.

Once, I received a spam email that suggested that there was a site containing pictures of children.  I reported it to the police, forwarded it on to the officer involved and then deleted the email.

It is possible that someone was on a porn site, and was duped into clicking a link that took them to a site showing indecent images of children.  But someone who was duped would delete those images instantly and make sure it never happened again. 

On another note, Poppet - I believe what you've said - and I don't think for one second that you'd even consider shielding a child molester.  He conned you like he conned others, don't beat yourself up about it.  The piece of crap is locked up, and will hopefully get what he deserves.
 

To add on to what Kinboshi said, it IS possible for somehow to be redirected to a site offering these images but it is just about 99% impossible nowadays with AV and spamware programs for these to automatically download these images. It involves input from the administraor to do such things so if hey say they found 13 images on his computer that means he has downloaded them and stored them. End Of!!!!!

I have a friend who works for NCH, which is a children's charity which is actually as big as the NSPCC. I bet very few of you will have heard of it. This is because they have always strived to spend as much of the money they raise as possible in the homes and projects that they run. There is quite a bit of resentment against the NSPCC, who spend a huge amount of money every year on emotional blackmail TV adverts and advertising campaigns in order to raise their profile, and yet manage to actually get less money to children who need it.

I don't think the admin costs are near 90%, but I'm always wary of charities which run TV campaigns (animal charities are hugely guilty of this, and they have more money than they know what to do with).

Ariston I think you and me would get on very well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your post is everything I agree with

I agree, I have never clicked something by accident either.  I guess it depends what you type into your google.  I type in Poker, wikipedia, VideoJug,  youtube, touring cars, NASCAR, motorsports, BBC Sport, Hotmail, BBC news, Euronews, IMDB, Boxing, Tennis, DTM, Radical Sports Cars, Gus Hansen earnings, Jean Alesi 1997 career stats, Photoreading, Political History, Austrailian V8 SuperCars, BlondePoker STT techniques ( was trying to track down Wardonkeys 3 part guide, lol. ). A peak into my viewing habits over the last 24 hrs  :D  My sites would not run the risk of finding any dodgy material.  Anyway, thats what the guy on the radio said.  I can't really see how it would be possible to stumble upon this stuff by accident. It must be deliberate in my opinion.

Yeh jonMW said that the actual admin cost is 58% for the NSPCC and around only 20% gets to those who need it!!! Absoultely ridiculous isnt it!

I've done some work in the past for the NCH - and yes, they do good work and don't have massive marketing budgets.
(http://www.nch.org.uk/)

There's also Barnardo's, and the one that I would say could be the most appropriate - Childline (http://www.childline.org.uk)

Is everyone going to chip in or what?

I woud NEVER Donate to NSPCC, these "corporate-style" Charities hack me off with their huge admin costs. But when you go to the smaller charirties, you do have to be very careful, some of them are not what they seem.

Childline's money - where it comes from, where it goes:

http://www.childline.org.uk/Whereyourmoneygoes.asp

Me? Yes, but not yet. Let the dust settle first.

I am amazed that after reading the reports of the case (judges comments in particular) that certain people are trying to quibble over the number of pictures he had, or wondering if he hit kids with wire as banter.  FFS!!!  I'd expect these weak excuses and pointless questions if he had just been copnvicted of affray, or theft...but he admitted to being a violient ****ing paedophile in court! 

I'm not going to post on this thread or read it anymore, because its starting to disgust me, over and above the acts commited by this predatory paedophile.   

Great post Ariston.

Being a father of 3 grown lads and now grandfather to 2 beauties, I have read this thread with a very heavy heart. I do not intend to use the thread to have a rant as I believe that I could not compare to some of the brilliant posts that have already appeared here. I only want to say 2 things.

1. Well done to all for their support towards Poppett and may I add mine.

2. A point which I believe should be made is regarding whether we should be removing this post soonest. IMO we have made some very valid points and raised a considerable debate on some of them. My reasons for asking that the post is be removed is quite simple. In this day and age, unfortunately even the most heinous of convicted criminals can access computers when in prison.

My worry to that end is that this thread will grow to become one of the largest on the forum. We all praise people (quite rightly) who start threads which spark such a debate or generate so much interest that they are measured by the length of the thread and considered a classic. I applaud Newmanseye for creating this one and this is no way aimed at them personally. I would just hate the thought that the subject of this thread could access this and take gratification from this as is so often the case with these sickos.

Apologies if anyone thinks I am being unrealistic.

Chin up Poppett.

Geo.

I have no idea why people are rabbitting on about this still.

The guy took you all for mugs in the first place, and now you're all having a pop at each other because of him, even though the sick fucks been sent down for 6 years.

It beggars belief.

quite the wordsmith , aren't you

He did though. Not that it's anyones fault, because you obviously couldn't see it coming.

The guy took you all for mugs in the first place

So what do you suggest, we spurn the friendship of every blonde just in case they are a paedo?

and now you're all having a pop at each other because of him

This is a Forum, the whole idea is that we debate things.

In point of fact, if we try & take out he emotive side, & it's a stunningly fascinating thread, demonstrating the huge diversity of opinions on what most would consider an open & shut case. As in poker as in life, as in blonde, as in life.

Clarification

The admin cost for the NSPCC was 58% last year - they spent 42% on those who need it.
Some other charities spend as little as 20% on admin.

But the NSPCC suggest that they play a bigger role in raising public awareness than those charities do.

Just because the bastard was welcomed onto this forum with open arms, like every other member may I add,no way whatsoever does that make people on here mugs.

 ;oopsy;

it occurs to me that instead of donatating to known kids charities, blonde members who are inclined to give money take up a collection to be given directly to the family that they might use it for a summer holiday etc...

Now you are talking.....

That, I like, & would support.

And given whats happene in the past via blonde fund-raising, it makes absolute sense.

how about a collection at bb4 for this?

we could get a well respect blonde member to collect the money and find a way to pass onto the family.


i for one will donate every penny masde from the book im laying on the heads up.

Good idea but how? I suppose if someone from Blonde were to go to the police and ask if they could pass on a message to the family? Perhaps someone relatively senior in the police could take the cash and pass it on? The family are going to want to stay anonymous surely? Need to be certain that the money is going to the right people. def a good idea if it can be sorted.

Good point Byron, but I believe Newmanseye (who made the OP) & Tank both know the family, as Mikky spent time (not prison time, I hasten to add...) with both of them. Clearly, they both now have problems with Mikky himself but not, I imagine, with the family.

It would have to be handled very delicately though.

I'm not sure if the mother of the victims would really want to know that the case of the abuse of her sons had been a topic of discussion on an internet forum.

For those who think that 13 images is not a lot. Bear in mind that every picture, is a picture and record of a child being abused. Every viewing is a repeat abuse against that child.

http://www.iwf.org.uk/howto/page.1.htm

I've worked closely with this charity. look at the page, scroll down and watch the TV ad on the right hand side, and then come back and say that 13 images isn't a lot.

Yes, that's true.

It's a very difficult & awkward situation, indeed.

Contrary to some beliefs, this is why it has been a good decision to keep open this thread if we can contribute to helping those boys get over their ordeal in any way possible.

For anyone who cannot still see the reasoning in this or cannot contribute in any constructive way may I suggest you no longer click on the link.
It really is that SIMPLE.

Could I also suggest that we give 50% of  BB4 tourny money to the boys, Im up for 100% but I dont know if everyone would be but 50% is reasonable

Do you honestly believe that anything anyone says on here can make it any amount better for those poor kids?

That's either complete naivety or ignorance.

Resolving to take action is, I beleive, what I KNOW IT is referring to, not words.

Please ease up on calling those with contrary opinions to yourself ignorant.

A thought

A $5 rebuy MTT where the proceeds go to the kids, so everyone could give a little, or more, & there'd still be bragging rights.

Or possibly a forum vs forum game ?

If you read what I posted, you would see how we might make these boys life a little bit more enjoyable by helping them get away on holiday. Of cause words cant help but if we could help anyother way, whats the harm in that.
I also pointed out if anyone doesnt agree with the thread, dont click on it. SIMPLE

I would happily donate 100% of anything I win at bB4 (optimism rules, OK?), but it's quite complicated. The Mods are currently trying to formulate something, please await news.

It's a lovely thought, it really is, but I think what those kids really need is tlc, & a good Dad. That wll help mask the memories.

Kids are remarkably robust beings, & I'm sure they can recover. I know one who had THE worst experience as a child anyone can imagine, & then some, but he used that adversity to his advantage & went on to lead a wonderful life. He'd learned how to deal with the adversity that life inevitably throws up better than any "normal" child.

Disasters in the world we live in have a knack of turning out better than we can ever imagine. After Torrey Canyon you'd have thought the world was gonna end, 2 years later the eco-systems had recovered 100%.

It's the same with forest fires - it takes just a few years for Mother Nature to strut her stuff.

Lets hope those kids recover equally quickly - and I bet they do.

Contributing to aiding their suffering does not involve keeping open a thread where all and sundry can hear about the gory details of their ordeal.

It's voyeuristic, nosey, and frankly, quite worrying.

There's no gory details on the thread, and no details beyond what is in the public domain.

People feel tainted by the association with MT - they have the right to discuss how they want to try an make up for that. If you disagree, that's your peroggative, but try not to be prescriptive on how people are to react.

These boys identities are anonomous as far as I believe?
What this thread has also achieved is letting people know SIKKY T is a paedophile and not to be trusted. Unfortunately in this Country these sick bastards identities are protected and would have no idea if he moved next door to me. I WOULD NOW.

Yes Sir, we hear your oft-repeated opinion.

However, we have thought this through long & hard, & we have determined to keep the Thread alive, & unlocked, as it is something which affects many blondes directly, all things considered.

I really disagree wth making a donation to the family.

I feel in some way it will look more like compensation, we as a community have to distance ourself from what he did, and it was in no fault in anyway due to anybody else on here or anywhere else.

It makes a lot more sense to donate to a charity to help other abused children who maybe dont have that strength to tell someone like this little boy did.

I donated money today to childline (only a few pounds really) but would be more than happy to add to a collection done at BB4 but i wont unless it goes to a charity. Money wont help that family and it wont make them feel any better.

By all accounts SICKKY T was a computor expert, so that dispels that thought of notion. More like he didnt have time to delete them like the rest

Because some members of this forum were associated with SICKKY T on a personal basis, I think they would personally like to help this specific family,remembering how some people feel terrible how they were duped by the animal, we can also donate some to a charity too. I just feel if Blonde members can personally do something for this family it would help members here who feel personally betrayed and hurt by this whole sick incident

It seems to be more inline with the blonde community spirit. Hope it makes sense in what im trying to say

Like KingPoker, I don't entirely agree with giving money to the family of these boys. 

They have already got everything they need to help them get on with their lives - a loving family who have ensured that Mikky was brought to justice.  Sadly many kids aren't so lucky, with familly members either being responsible for these acts themselves or, worse, burying their heads in the sand and letting it continue for years on end.

I would respectfully suggest that any money anyone wants to donate to help victims of child abuse should go somewhere where it will help the kids who are continuing to live through ongoing abuse, for example, by raising awareness of signs that a child might be a victim of sexual abuse (the vast majority will NOT tell anyone what is happening to them)

I agree Claire.

I disagree

and thinks its a great gesture

and will throw a few bob in wotever pot u organise

i agree. not sure why but it just wouldn't feel right to give money directly. childline or something similar would be my preference

I agree with the above. I dont think that them or their families should have to be reminded of MikkyTBag in any way.

And whatever they buy with the money may keep that association real for them.

I'm with KP.

It's shocking what happened to these children, and I for one cannot imagine what they are going through.

Fortunately, their abuse is over (the mental and emotional scars will remain however) - which is why I think that Childline should be the recipient of any donation from Blonde.  One of these children was brave enough to speak to their Gran and tell her what was happening.

Other children aren't so fortunate. 

A child suffering is one of the saddest things in the world.  Anyone suffering is horrible, but a child is helpless.  The work Childline does gives those who have no one to turn to some hope.  There are other charities that do this as well.  If we can give some money to prevent this appalling abuse happening to other children then at least some good can come out of this evil.

Perhaps if money is raised, someone who knows the family can ask an uncle or grandmother or something whether they would want the money or prfer it was donated to a charity (or hospital) that helps abused kids.

Had this through from childline after i donated. I hink the bit in bold should persuade people to help them in their outstanding work.

Thank you so much for your kind donation. Your support is coming just when we need it the most.

As you probably know, we face a huge struggle to answer all the calls that children make to us. We worry about the children who ring ChildLine but can?t get through - they may have nowhere else to turn, and they may never call back.

This year ChildLine celebrates its 20th birthday. Part of ChildLine's 20th birthday goal is to raise ?20 million so we can increase the percentage of children we answer from 57% to 80%. This will allow us to increase the number of children we help over the next two years until we are helping over 1,000 more children every day. Your very generous gift is helping us work towards this traget. Thank you.

If you would like to receive our e-newsletter to update you on the vital work you are helping us do with vulnerable children, please send an email with yes in the subject heading to rclayton@childline.org.uk

As a parent I have not even been able to read the article, I have however read the posts and am sickened that my daughter actally spent time with this person, yes I am Poppets Mum

I was hurt to read that people thought Sophie was coving up for Mikky but she was telling me the same things that she was posting on here, things that Mikky had told her and she believed. Sophie is niave and gullable and she also always see's the best in people, I think she was just swept along by what she was told and she had no reason to doubt him, people older than Sophie were fooled into thinking he was a nice guy too.

Thank you to all of you that have supported Sophie but can I just ask of one thing, I hope this tread does not run and run and be the whole topic of converstion at BB4, my understanding of this event is that it is fun and jolly and I have heard nothing but good feedback, please let Sophie enjoy her poker, she has explained herself very openly and honestly  and I am immensly proud of her!

Diane

i feel sick.

truly,  somone who u know without u even thinking they could do this has.!

at least the little s*t admited some of the things. altho this was purley on the way to get his sentence shortened


aprt from the victims i also feel sorry for  the tank newmanseye and poppet who were very close to him than any of us

As i said in a previous post, these people are in general very "clever" come across as real "Mr/Mrs NICE," people here at blonde who had any contact with this guy are certainly NOT MUGS, they just took the guy (as we do with most people) at face value.

They come from all walks of life, and they are very clever at being cunning and manipulative, this is their way (in most cases) of gaining the childrens (and sometimes parents) trust in the first place.

I donate on an annual basis to Barnardos as they are very close to my heart from my childhood.(public werent as aware of things in the sixties)

Just my thoughts

 i take it this beast is history on here??

 stop having a go at poppet ffs , she is guilty of nothing

 i KNOW your telling the truth poppet dont listen to any of them

First of all I would like to say to smithy,I KNOW IT and Ariston if i made a comment that upset you im sorry but I only commented on the facts as I see them.

I did not realize that he had admitted to sexual assualt as the links first posts (that I saw) didnt suggest it.

My comment on the 13 pic was based on the fact that my 9 yr old daughter is a HUGE Britney Spears fan and she was upset when she fould out she had shaved her hair and when she did google search a VERY nasty pic came up which I assume was deleted from google fairly quickly but nevertheless she saw it. I would assume a perv would have a lot more than 13 images.

Im cant figure out how to scroll back to add quotes so bear with me.

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Suzanne - your comments disgust me and I like IFM always say it as I see it. My ex wife has had various "friends" since our divorce and if any of them "slapped" Jakob on his legs with wire, held his head under water or stood on his head then they would get exactly the same back from me and I'm the best part of 19 stone and 6ft 4 so you wouldn't want me standing on your head. I also would be likely to keep holding their head under the water. Playfull/ boisterous fighting? WTF? Are you really saying that that is acceptable? If you are I really hope you don't have or ever have kids yourself. 6 years IMO is about the tenth anyone harming/sexually abusing kids deserves- they should never see the light of day again and should never be allowed the chance to get near another child.


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Ok so picture the situation...your ex wife/girlfriend hates the sight of you and the only way she can get rid of you is if you have abused ur kid. She questions how his/her day went with daddy at the swimming pool..he/she says "we had good fun...he pushed me under the water"

Next weekend he takes them to a park and some kids are skipping..he asks if his son/daughter can join in...kid says no coz there is no-one to turn the rope...he offers and guess what..hes accused of whipping the kid with a rope...do I have to go on?

My point was that the crimes he was acussed of did not warrent a six year sentence, he has to either have had a history or did some serious damage to these kids.

Before you get on your high horse saying i dont know what im talking about...first of all I was sexually abused by my grandfather for most of my childhood.

I promised myself that I would NEVER let my kids be abused. I had a son of 5yrs when I met my second partner, 3 years later we had a son and 18 months later we had a daughter. My daughter was 6 weeks old when the police knocked on the door and arrested him for sexually abusing his daughter from his first marriage. I had no idea and I had lived with the guy for 4+ years.

He went to court on 3 charges and pleaded not guilty to 2 charges and admited "oh yes ...I did do the 3rd one"

He was in jail for a whole 3 weeks and got let off with a suspended sentence.

I tried eveything to get rid of him coz I hated his guts but was actually put under pressure from social services to keep in touch otherwise he would go "underground" and they would not be able to track him.

The showdown came on my daughters 4th birthday when he turned up drunk, he verbally abused everyone and totally ruined the day. I threw him out the house and was glad to get the kids in bed. Luckily my mother stayed the night because he came back, he cut the phone lines outside and after hours of banginging on the door he broke the back door in. He came in and wrecked the house, the kids upstairs were screaming and I was trying my best to calm him down and survive, a neighour must have phoned the police because he panicked when he heard the sirens. He asked me to back him up saying it was all a mistake and when I told him to go to hell he tried to kill me. His hands were round my throat when my oldest (then 12 yr old) stabbed him in the back with his penknife and he ran off.

My daughter is 10 years old now and to be honest I dont think I will ever trust a man again, I will stay single and make sure no one will ever touch my kids.

I have only just seen this thread, and am sickened by it all.

In our old House, our next door neighbour was an elderly gentleman who was very friendly. He always talked to the kids, gave them sweets, gave us alcohol, invited us to his parties etc.....

Then one day we find out he had sexually abused two little girls in our street. From memory he got 4 years.

The world is a sick place.

My thoughts go out to the children involved , their families, and anyone who had contact with MT - especially Sophie.

You all know me and Charmaine have 6 kids - and I for one hope he never makes it out of Prison.

Jesus suz


real sorry to hear that

very harrowing stuff

I understand that you have to put your kids 1st.......


You think one day u might rekindle your faith in men?

This thread is getting more harrowing by the day, I would love to support a collection at bb4 but I think the correct course would be to donate the proceeds to a childrens charity. I am not sure we would be doing the right thing trying to pass this on to the family involved in this awful thing.

very sorry to hear that too suzanne, the fact is no-one will truly understand unless they have been involved in this kind of situation.

 the sad fact is that this paedophilia is far more rife on the streets of Britain than many of us like to consider , out of sight out of matter et al.

 i heard once from a top police officer that there is , on average , 1 sex offender or abuser on every street in Britain , scary reading , but the important thing is

 we educate our kids ( ourselves because the school is too PC , probaly scared incase they offend any sex offenders ) of any dangers , and to try our best to protect

 them , we also need help from the government to name and shame ( identify ) the threats and start treating them like the animals they are. i think TBH the

 government arent equipped or ready to deal with the problem , and are scared of the general publics reaction ( horror ) at the true scale of the poblem

PROBLEM: we live in a society where there are to many "do-gooders"

"these people (abusers/sexual/physical against children) are sick they need our help!!!!! BOLLOX

They need putting up against a wall and SHOT. end of!!!!!!

Put the money WASTED on looking after them to better use.

I totally agree with this.

The only problem is, that our Judicial system is flawed, and innocent people are convicted.

What I have never understood, is why we have a Jury/Court case at all.

By this I mean, in our day and age, lie detectors must be so much more advanced and are supposidly 99% accurate - so why not just use this to proove guilt or Innocence - this would be far far more reliable than the system we have at the moment and at a greatly reduced cost to the Tax payers. The saved money could then go into better education.

Our prisons are overcrowded, and you hear so many stories of people being let out early only to re offend.

Something needs to be done and maybe capital punishment is the way to go?

FYP

I cant disagree with this, but where its a case of "bang to rights" Then disperse of them

only just caught up and am absolutely amazed, really harrowing stuff

suz my thoughts go to you too, there are way too many sick puppies out there :(  

The voice of common sense.

Terminally ill Cancer patients are a massive drain on the resources of the NHS, why don't we just shoot them as well?

My son was a terminaly ill cancer patient James, and I have no doubt other members have loved ones who are suffering as we speak. 

Do you ever consider the feelings of others?

having a mother who was terminally with cancer and being treated by the nhs, i take great offence to your comment and am sick you would try to compare this to the fecking sick stuff we are reading on here. you may have meant this as a comparison or whatever but i reckon its bang out of order

HTF can you compare someone who is suffering with Cancer, to a child abuser?!?!

Jesus James, think before you post sometimes!!

I think that is in very poor taste. I didnt say shoot them to save money, i say get them out of society for the "crimes they have comiitted"

Ok WAIT A Moment!!!

James was being the voice of reason, and I for one happen to appreciate his point, I lost a member of my family on Monday to cancer and I took no offence because James was only saying that people are advocating MURDER !!

If anyone needs to think before they post it should be Taximan, No offence but no matter what happens, MURDER is never a fair and just solution!

So Red, Mad  et al please remember this is a forum where points of view can be shared !

I take your point Newmanseye, I do not think James was being "out of order" on purpose, I just found it the wrong choice of words.

Capital punishment was suggested on here, and people have their views on this.

Something has to be done though as our system just does not work.

Yes, Capital punishment would NOT act as a deterrent, as we see in America, but it WOULD put a stop to that person re-offending.

Maybe i didnt put my point clearly enough (my apologies) when i said shoot them, i meant in a system where they have stood trial and been found guilty, without doubt, maybe i should have said hanging (capital punishment):

I DEFY anybody who has suffered or had loved ones suffer at the hands of these people to think any differently.

I apologise again unreservedly if i offended anybody with my comments.

Billy

i take offence full stop!!  you deal with it another way

This is why i shouldn't post in the morning, i am sorry to anyone who took offence to what i said. I was trying to make a point, which i could have done a lot differently!

I would much rather people were crying out for research into rehabilitation rather than just killing offenders. Capital punishment was cited in this thread as something that would assist with overcrowding in prisons! I don't even think the person was joking.

If we could find more effective ways of rehabilitating sex offenders and drug users the world would be a much better place.

Somebody who defiles a child does not deserve a chance to be rehabilitated.

Thats just my opinion.

there is an easy way to rehabilitate the problem of drugs in our society. abolish poverty and social exclusion. sex offenders are a completely different kettle of fish. for a start most of them will never admit its a problem and most dont take responsibility for their sick behaviours. again lumping drug users and sex offenders together stinks. not as much as comparing people who are dying with sickos though

There's also the argument that some people that harbour a sexual preference for children are mentally ill, and therefore are not responsible for their actions. Amnesty International have written extensively on the topic.

It's along the same lines as an insanity plea in America for convicted killers in states which have the death penalty.

You're either for capital punishment or you're not. There's no middle ground.

I still haven't made my mind up on it....

I completely disagree that perpetrators of sexual abuse on children have an illness. i used to think it as its one way to understand or try to come to terms with someting that is so difficult. having done training in psychaitry/mental health, i know this is about control and not mental illness. other schools may disagree but there is evidence to say this is not an illness. the biggest connection research has made is that a very high percentage of perpetrators have been abused themselves as children. Its a psycholocial problem, not psychiatric in my opinion.

agreed

Fact of the matter is, most sex offenders who go to prison will be released. Do we want them to come out as they went it, or possibly more sick and twisted? I'd hope they get all the help they need and aren't release until they are safe to do so and not just when their time is served.

If they get abused whilst in prison and get what they deserve as a few of you put it then I doubt this is going to deter them from being a sexual predator, they are likely to come out even worse. Whatever happens to them insdie I fear will only help in creating a monster.

Continuing on that theme, I don't think you can incarcerate anyone and not protect them. If the sentence isn't harsh enough for you, then it should be lengthened not enforced by inmates. If abuse is allowed or condoned in some instances, it can only spread.

Possibly unpopular views, protect and provide help for a sex offender. But when he is back out and on the streets in 3 years, I think it has to be.



I like the idea of a donation to the family. But it might be too difficult without an intermediary who knows them. If there is anyone who knows them or their extended family, maybe run the proposal by them for permisson. There may have been a local collection already, we could just add to this if there had been.

Just a question to all:

A convicted child abuser serves his/her time in prison. Is successfully rehabilitated (according to the experts), is then given a new identity etc and the housed in YOUR street. (Hypothetically, you are made aware of this by the police, obviously this would never happen)

Would you be Happy?

Pathetic publications such as The News Of The World and The Sun (with fascist, right-wing, self serving, mouthpieces like John Gaunt and Richard Littlejohn at their disposal) have seen to it that Joe Public thinks it's his god given right to reign fire and brimstone down upon whosoever should infringe on his or hers "civil liberties".

Society was founded upon the notion that a delegated authority would enforce laws and administer punishment. The fact that a sex offender (wether they be paedophillic, or not) lives within a certain radius of someone, is, frankly, none of their business. If they have served their debt to society, then there is no other option but to live and let live.

If you disagree with me, then think upon this. Where does the buck stop? What kind of comparisons can you draw?Should all female members of the community be informed whenever a convicted rapist moves within a certain radius? And if not, are you putting the "value" of a womans life above that of a childs? That defies basic theological and social notions of the equality and sanctity of life.

It is not the publics duty to pass summary judgment onto an individual, for any reason, whatever the crime may be.

Now if you're talking about the individual working with children, then that's a different matter. The most basic form of rehabilitation is one of denial. It goes without saying that it's not in the publics interests to let them work in a situtation where they may spend any amount of time un-supervised with a minor.

Re: James cancer comment, I've lost both my parents to cancer sometime ago and understand he was just attempting to make a point against capital punishment in a rather clumsy and somewhat insensitive manner which could offended people who are effected by cancer. Maybe stupidity is reason enough for shooting someone  ;snoopy'sguns; ;carlocitrone;.

Re: shooting/hanging/imposing capital punishment to child offenders I really don't it's worth getting into a debate about it as whether I agree or not it's never going to happen, which is propably a good thing as miscarriages of justice do happen. Indeed discussion is needed re: the alternatives. Some have stated such offenders should be made known to the public but I suspect this would just drive such offenders even more underground and disappear from whatever monitoring programmes have been put in place. Also it has been known for vigilante groups to hound individuals on false rumours when infact a person has never committed such a crime. For me personally I think the options are either lock the door and throw away the key (cost is not important protecting the innocent is) or permanently tag such offenders once they are released into the community having served their sentance. At least this way they can always be monitored. Some may go onto re-offended (which is always a risk) but it's better a better option than to allow the free movement other than a daily visit to the cop shop to sign in.

I get the feeling the general concensus is that a convicted child abuser (the subject of this thread) serves his time and is rehabilitated then its ok for him to return to the streets?

I disagree but respect others thoughts

I don't believe that these people can ever be truly cured, however I am 100%  against the death penalty or using any kind of violence to rehabilitate them either.  It is a tough one for those in a position of power to come to a solution that will make everyone happy. 

 :goodpost:

meanwhile back in the real world.....

where did you read that sex offenders are given a new identity ?

I didnt, the question was a hypothetical one, but imo plausible, as these people ARE released and Rehoused in areas unknowing to the residents there.

My apologies again if it was a stupid question. its like MOST things in life, until something actually affects you or your family directly its very difficult to know how you would react.

As I understand it, The Sex Offenders register is for public viewing AND included address? Maybe I am wrong.

For someone who said "live and let live" - in respect of a rapist/sex offender living where they like and its none of your business, I disagree strongly!!

If a convicted thief cannot get a job invloving handling money, then why should a sex offender/rapist be ANY different??

Trust has to be earnt, not given in my opinion.

I for one would move, if I knew a sex offender/rapsit moved into my street - 100% without question!!

Now if that makes me wrong, then I am wrong.

No, I vote we ship them to Scotland.

Why should you move? You are innocent.

its not that it was just a stupid question, but an utterly pointless question based on factually incorrect and mischevious information. You dont do your own argument any favours by basing on flimsy hypothesis like this.

Just from sitting on the side lines reading this thread (2 posts above was my first in this thread) shows why Blonde is the community it is and why occassionally tiffs are seen here, the views in this thread alone show we are a very diverse bunch.
Personally that is what i love about Blonde as a "community", long may it continue.

Dealer,

3 years ago I would have agreed with almost everything you write.

Having a child changes all that.

I would bet alot of money you haven't any kids.

You would do anything (and I mean anything) to protect them.

Yes, you are wrong. It's for exclusive police use.


I also said in my post that they shouldn't be allowed to work in close proximity to children.

Well, I disagree here.

Sure, maybe if I did have kids then i'd react differently, but that would only be my own personal interests hindering my ability to make a rational judgment on whats best for society as a whole, in dealing with the issue of rehabilatation.

You have to be objective in these things, and I freely admit that it's quite difficult when the thought of your child being harmed is going through your mind.

A question for those who think that child abusing perverts should be given a second chance in society if they have deemed to have mended their ways and served their time in prison, How many of would be happy to see Sickky T post on here again in about 5 years time?.

I fail to see how that bears any relevance to the issue of rehabilitation.

Fortunately all our opinions are subjective. That's what makes us human.

me to.

This debate is losing any point it had. Stating hypothetical scenarios proves only that people think in different ways.

Fact is you live in a society that seeks to rehabilitate offenders, i for one wholly agree with this. Wether you make a personal choice to accept a rehabilitated offender is exactly that, personal choice.

My point being, There are people here who are advocating that these animals should be given a 2nd chance in life if they prove to be rehabilitated and are no longer a threat. If Sickky T was one of these so called "examples" and attempted to start posting on here, I feel the same people would scream blue murder.

Also how many of these people would be ok in the Knowledge that one was living next door to them but had been deemed safe by the authorities

Objective, as I used it, means taking into consideration the variables of an argument and making an informed decision upon that which you have learned. Something thats extremely difficult to do where children are concerned.

I agree with Ace. This whole debate is kind of fruitless. It's such an emotive issue that nobody is going to be convinced otherwise of their opinion.

I hope this is just a joke in poor taste!



As for moving if a convicted Paedophile moves in to your street, Yes I aggree, I did this very thing when my old neibourhood was the area for placement of "rehabilitated" Paedos and sex offenders,  We had 18 REPORTED cases of sex offences in 7 months!  As a result both my wife and I decided to fight the system would take too long and to sell up and move on would be best.

My kids can now play with safety in the street, Whilst my actions to move were selfish and helped only my family in the long run, I could not risk the chance of my children becoming a victim of these vile bastards.

Some will argue it was wrong to move and I should have stood by the community and fought for these people to be removed, That fight was already ongoing and the answer that was returned was "if not Here , Where??".

As you can imagine this made a lot of people angry and the red mist did decend amongst some of the parents and the local constituents, Some even invoked the mob mentality and some innocent newcomers to the community were targeted wrongly.

The outcry for vengance and retribution, it can over come our basic common sense and reasoning skills to the extent that we do not fully appreciate the repercusions of OUR actions and the only people that suffer in the end are the original victims of the original crimes as they tend to get lost in the process!

Looks like i got derailled there.

OK

I do not know the individual involved and as such have no comment to make about him.

My post is related to society generally.

People who commit these crimes make up a very small section of the population. These deviants have no place in our society and as such, are removed from it, the moment their actions are uncovered.

What strikes me though is the immense power these individuals have to infect our thoughts even when they are gone. I have not read a post on this thread that condones these crimes. As such, and as a community, we are united.

There are vast legions of honest and genuine people in this world. People who have ethics and principles and who want a decent society in which to live. When cases like this are highlighted it chips away at the foundation of our society. People become suspicious and wary of others. Feelings of anger, violence and frustration bubble to the surface and people become insular and defensive.

It is perfectly natural to feel betrayed by this man if you considered him to be a Friend. My hope is that this initial anger will subside and it does not have any lasting affect on peoples view of others.

Not long ago my local Wacky Warehouse prevented parents watching their children play because of this problem. How can this be?

Every Muslim seems to be a terror suspect.

Just last night as I walked home from a local poker game at 3:00 a.m. the lone woman in front kept breaking out into a trot as she was clearly scared to death of my presence. I felt terrible.

When you are accused of being a mug to trust people who then behave like this it is natural to want to prevent it happening again. You baton down the hatches and close society out. This is where community spirit may eventually go, or where it is already going.

I would like to say this.

This individual had no place in your society and now he is gone. Once initial anger has subsided it is important to move forward, stronger and more determined than ever that the flag of decency should be waved mightily as you go. Do not allow a man such as this to have power over your thoughts and how you live your life. We are not mugs to trust each other, we are just people.

Just read this and I am shocked, I think the system has worked, he's been caught and given a big sentence (bare in mind you can atempt to kill someone and get less)


Now can we just forget him, as far as I'm concerned he's not worth any more of my effort

Great post

Exactly!!!

It's unfortunate that this is a subject blonde had to deal with butt mikkyt was a prominent member and i think it was completely to correct for billy to make the initial post.

Unfortunately after 18 pages of applicable condemnation and clarification on a couple of other matters the inevitable discussion of generic sociology has ensued pertaining to possibly the most deplorable and taboo of subject one could encounter, nothings going to get resolved and although i usually love the off topic debates we have on here i haven't posted independent of condemning mikkys actions because ive tried to remember that this is a poker forum.

I think people should be very carfull in posting on this thread hereafter and maybe consider before posting wether or not their need to be heard and have their opinion on this matter is greater than that of the inherent decency of blonde poker.

I am so sorry for your loss - I truly am!!!!!!!!!!!!

 reciprocated , so sad to hear .

How the fuck can you make a joke like that?
words defy me.

But herein lies the problem that many people have pointed out.  My ( albeit unscientific ) observations have always led me to believe that our society has a couple of problems when it comes to sentencing.

Firstly, the courts seem to punish people more for financial crimes against institutions, than they do for physical crimes against people.

Secondly, that any sentence given is rarely served in full.  It seems quite common that a 'life' sentence is about 12 -15 years, and most criminals will only serve about 50 % of their original sentence.

My fears about the disparity in all this are concerned with re offending. 

If I've robbed a bank of 10 million, which isn't found, you can stick me inside for 2 years , or 20 years. I'm not doing another bank , coz I've got no need to.

If I mug someone to get money for drugs, then the chances of my re offending vary depending on the treatment I have received inside.  If I'm still dependant, I'll re offend,if I'm clean, I won't.

BUT.

Sex offenders commit crimes because they are unhinged/ sick / perverts/ unstable , ( insert your own word or phrase ).  The problem is they WILL NOT be cured inside.  If they CANNOT be cured the reason for them committing their original offence is still there.  So how can we, as a society, ever allow them to be released back into everyday life, when there is still a very high chance that their urges  still exist.

This isn't to say that all sex offenders re offend, but, if the media are to be believed at all, then in many of the worst cases of recent years, the offender has started with lesser crimes, before committing a terrible one.

My worry is that why should the majority of decent society suffer because of the ' human rights ' of these people.

If they can be cured, fine.  But if not, keep them incarcerated until they can.  Sod the money, make less bombs if necessary, I'm sure any parent could tell Gordon Brown where it could come from.

 :goodpost:

What's really sad about this whole thing is that such a large percentage of child sex offenders were actually the victims of these self same crimes themselves. Such a tragic vicious circle it breaks my fucking heart.

yes but surely at his age he knows its wrong .

all i can say is bring back hanging for the sick fecker .

One thing which annoys me, which I'm surprised no-one else has brought up, is how a certain UK poker magazine still portrays a certain well-known American hustler as some type of poker "hero", despite that fact he was caught molesting his own grandaughter and getting away with it because of a legal loophole. If I'm ever unlucky enough the find myself playing at the same table during a tournament, I'm just getting up and walking away, regardless of how much money is at stake.

Camel started a thread on HMF about 3 years ago when he met him in a lift in las vegas and he wondered how he should have reacted.
Plenty of opinions there including mine.
Wonder how he would react now since being a father

I agree Dale, and you know the sad thing is, he hasn't had the decency to remove the comment.

Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,

the annoying thing about this is all the do gooders.

its sick ,they go on about the persons human rights .

what about the kids human rights ,it like the sick fecker ian huntley ,

all he goes on about is how bad hes getting treated .

what about the poor girls he killed ,those poor kids and there familys ,what must they have gone through.

as a loving father and grand father  i hate to think what these parents grandparents went through .

as for mikky t and the rest of the nonces ,i hope i never meet them ,or im banged up for a long time .

im sorry i seem so angry but this subject makes my blood boil .

as for sending them to scotland i think that is a sick joke ,castrate the barstewards.

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Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,



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I am, however, still entitled to comment on the fact that I find it distasteful. I am fully aware that he may not find it distasteful, and I really didn't see the need for you to comment.

imagine the abuse id take on ere if i said lets ship mikkyt and the rest of his kind to england? just a stupid sick thing to say

Firstly, maybe he hasn't removed it because it's been quoted so many times.

Secondly if that isn't the case just because someone else finds it distasteful and inappropriate that doesn't make it so, maybe he hasn't removed the comment because he doesn't agree that it's distasteful. i dont think that's a lack of decency,



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I am, however, still entitled to comment on the fact that I find it distasteful. I am fully aware that he may not find it distasteful, and I really didn't see the need for you to comment.
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I completely agree that you're entitled to comment on how distasteful you find it, i too found it to be in eminently bad taste, but that's not what you did!

you didnt question his "decency" in making the post, you questioned his decency in him not taking it down!!!

He shouldnt be bullied by others into taking it down lest he be accused of lacking decency, that's unfair, just because you, me or anyone else says it's inappropriate doesnt make it so and if it's the original posters contention that it isn't then it's correct of him to leave it up

If you had said that he lacked decency in making the original post i wouldn't have commented but to suggest that he lacks decency because he hasn't bowed to the disgust his comment has received is wrong, you dont even direct the comment at him, you make a snide comment to dale about it and it's like bullying and i dont like it.

I am, however, still entitled to comment on the fact that I find it distasteful. I am fully aware that he may not find it distasteful, and I really didn't see the need for you to comment.
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I completely agree that you're entitled to comment on how distasteful you find it, i too found it to be in eminently bad taste, but that's not what you did!

you didnt question his "decency" in making the post, you questioned his decency in him not taking it down!!!

He shouldnt be bullied by others into taking it down lest he be accused of lacking decency, that's unfair, just because you, me or anyone else says it's inappropriate doesnt make it so and if it's the original posters contention that it isn't then it's correct of him to leave it up

If you had said that he lacked decency in making the original post i wouldn't have commented but to suggest that he lacks decency because he hasn't bowed to the disgust his comment has received is wrong, you dont even direct the comment at him, you make a snide comment to dale about it and it's like bullying and i dont like it.
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I fail to see what point you are making here Bolt, you normally talk a lot of sense but this one has me baffled.
You agree that the comment is in incredibly bad taste, even more so by the fact that MT was a Liverpudlian that had moved to Scotland and it was Scottish kids he abused.
I fail to find one redeeming factor in the comment that he made, if someone can please let me know. Bullying ?? try outrage my friend.
I believe it to be a stupid, ill thought out, immature comment that was supposed to have a funny side. I always try and give people the benefit of the doubt. I hardly see the need for you to try and justify his frame of mind or how he percieves his comments, people have a right to be angry and a right to voice that anger.

I'm not taking issue with anyone saying that the post shows a lack of decency, i'm taking issue with steelys comment that the lack of decency arises from the original poster not removing his post in light of the reaction it provoked, o.k?

I know the point you were making bolt, I said in my second sentence that you found the comment distasteful.
 I doubt very much the poster has looked at the thread again or given it a second thought (maybe posting after a few beers, we have all done it) because if he had, he would have, no doubt, removed it.

Which he should have done if not for decencies sake , then at least for a politic one.

As I have said before I will give him the benefit of the doubt,  maybe you should have done the same when reading and replying to Steeleys post.

The first line of your first post:

"I fail to see what point you are making here bolt"

The first line of your second post:

"I know the point you were making Bolt"

Are you winding me up?

Oh dear!

The first line I said because I could not understand why you would make such a strange post with talk about "bullying" what bullying? Like I said before it was outrage not bullying that facilitated these comments.

 Then defending the right of someone to make a post "about moving these people to Scotland" If everybody sees that a comment "lacks decency" then guess what? Regardless of what the poster thinks. It lacks decency.

Then came the line about "snide remarks." Snide remarks are said behind someones back to undermine them, these were right out in the open hidden from no one, what were snide about them?


In my second reply I was trying to make a concillitary effort to not escalate an arguement but put my point across without causing offence.
This is obviously not a consideration you have any thought of making as the childish post above shows. A personal attck on someone because perhaps their English and written language is not as eloquant as it could be is churlish indeed.

You made a bad post and then tried to defend it and when all else failed you turned to sarcasm.
Carry on carrying on my friend if it makes you feel better, I will know better to try and have any kind of serious debate with you in the future.

Sorry to throw maybe another spanner into the works. But any of you who think MikkyT ISN'T a sick fucker then read this.

an internet gaming forum he used to post on, this happened when he was done for 'drink driving'. His comments are on page 7.

sick sick sick sick piece of shit

link removed

pm for link

Should there be a link or an article?

yup sorry, tired

I wish I hadnt read it now, I really fwwl sick about this again.

absolutly fucking disgusting. Too right 95% of people on this thread think torturing him is sufficient punishment

"then defending the right of someone to make a post"about moving to Scotland" if everybody sees that comment lacks decency, then guess what? regardless of what the poster thinks it lacks decency"

This statement is so wrong for a multitude of what I'd consider obvious reasons but wont expound upon them because you are not listening to a word I'm saying.

Then came the line about snyde remarks. snyde remarks are said behind someones back to undermine them, these were right out in the open hidden from on one, what were snyde about them.

Firstly your definition about the term snyde is incorrect, the word snyde can be used to describe all manor of pernicious, disreputable, mendacious, and duplicitous behaviour and is not a word specific to the aforementioned reference.

You ask why this is a snyde remark and I'll tell you, this is an open form where the poster in question has continual access, a dissparaging comment was made about him in the third person, simple really, third person derogatory reference in their(virtual) presence is not questionably snyde, it's the epitome of it!!!

you then go on to call me childish and churlish and make reference to my using sarcasm to somehow retract my earlier posts.

I can unequivocally state with equable veracity that in no way was my post meant to be sarcastic or insulting, the one where i highlighted your conflicting posts.

The very reason i made my, albeit concise, second explanation is because you led off in your post with:I FAIL TO SEE WHAT POINT YOU ARE MAKING HERE BOLT which you then show in the rest of your post by displaying not even a rudimentary understanding of what i was saying, so after i politely described for you why i had made the post about which you had questioned me, based predominantly on the above statement you lead off in your next post with...........I know the point you were making Bolt ;frustrated;  From which i derived two possibilities:

1) you're taking the piss out of me

2)You've got no idea what your talking about

Either way Ive concluded that in keeping with your closing assertion we have no further discussion or interaction on here of any nature.

Cool it down Guys please, debating is fine, but we wouldn't want to have to lock the thread for everyone to calm down.

Its for internet gamers. World of Warcraft etc

wow, just read it, very weird group of people!

Someone pm link pls..interested as i play wow.

could someone pm it top me aswell

thnx

hmmmm, just came back on here and have to apologise for upsetting some people which was not my intention.  My reply was to Red's post asking would you want a child molestor living in your road.  I would want them shipped as far away from me as possible which just happens in this case to be Scotland.  No offense intended to the Scots and in hindsight, considering the emotion this terrible situation has caused, I should have just said to ship them as far away as possible.  In no case would I want to see such a criminal living amongst law abiding people knowing that it is highly likely that they will commit a repeat offence.

I don't remember that post.

Apologies again, the memory is not serving me well.  The post was from taximan007:

Horrible situation for a lot of people in this community.  Paedophiles by there very nature have to be experts in duplicity and deception. This man must have kept this secret from friends and family for his whole life so anyone who thinks they should have seen through him; well you never had a chance really.

Its such a difficult concept to deal with, so alien to our sense of right and wrong when those least able to protect themselves are targeted in such a vile way. Hard to think of a worse crime than to rob a child of there innocence, makes one so sad and angry.
 
I must admit to being troubled by the calls for hard prison time, although as a parent of a young daughter I understand the rage the very thought of these type of offence stir in people. The more I analyse the problem the more the thought of punishing the offenders becomes an irrelevance. To me the very crux of the matter is the offenders potential to cause more damage to the previous or new victims.

If it was proven that a certain type of paedophile could only be cured by 5 years of daily beatings and a starvation diet or 5 years of intense psychological help then would it really matter which was used as long as the end result was that the individual would cause no more damage? I don’t know how this could be done but I think we need to spend more time and money finding solutions to a problem that just won’t go away.

I think my point is that the most important result from the capture of a paedophile is that they should never re-offend, whether through treatment or through permanent incarceration it does not really matter. I think most people would agree that the worse case scenario would be six years of the hardest time only to be released without being cured, with no place in society and angry more victims become almost inevitable.   

I think nobody wants a convicted child abuser living next to them, or a murdered..or a drug deal or carthief or embezzler, or two-bit junkie criminal for that matter. That does not mean that they should all be rounded up and locked in some penal colony however.

Those sorts of arguements don't really help the discussion, I'm afraid.

This is very sad.  My friend worked in a mental health assessment unit where all those arrested for abuse on children went for assessment.  There were many sick tales she told me - this is sadly another symptom of our society.  It is so difficult being a parent in these days.  All you want to do is wrap the children up and protect them - but we have to give them space and an element of freedom to grow. 

Were the children his own?

Worked 200 or so years ago........ not sure whether Australia could cope with another 2 million or so but they do have a lot more room in their outback!

true..but what about Skippy?

Just heard the news.
I'm so sorry for the families involved in this dispicable tale, and i'm really sorry to hear some of the awful experiences some of you have recounted.

Trully i'm lost for words.

I read through my letters the other day because I became conscious that I was covering up for him. He mentions being moved to another cell for his own protection and told me that he wasn't leaving his cell much nowadays because he'd been threatened and said "my cell mate found the letters detailing my offences" and he also mentioned about "assaults" but didn't mention anything about sexual assault. As I said before, what I was told was that he was accused of standing on a child when he was drunk and said he was too drunk to remember what happened. He had painted a very nasty picture of his wife and led me to believe it was her making malicious allegations.

Some of the things he mentioned in his letters may have gone over my head, so I apologise about that. I should've been paying more attention to what was said and working out what had actually gone on. Even when speaking on the phone to him he never properly told me, just said it's hard to talk because the calls are recorded.

Sorry everyone, I really am x

As far as i am concerned and I guess a lot of Blondes you have nothing to apologise for Poppet.

absolutely no need for you to apologise for anything Soph.

 ;iagree;

Why are we at each others throats and still 27 pages later going on about this?

Because we have nothing better to do.....

Standard

....and some of us have to read through all these pages, of you lot having nothing better to do!

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In all seriousness, it's got nothing to do with that. It's an emotive subject, and hits home even harder when you have children yourself.

You don't have to read through it, you choose to do so.

Oi ! Flushy stop being such a pedant or I'll start a fight !!

xx

Sophie, you must get this out of your system, and we all should be behind her in helping her to do it.

I myself played in an STT whare HE was dealing, and he and Soph were  flirting with each other.I was plesently happy for Poppet, getting some nice attention, she seemed happy by it.(With the news about her partnership she told us later,she desererved the good time she was having) and I smiled quietly to myself that two nice young people, should be enjoying each others company.

Indeed, when I got home,I showed my daughter the pictures of BB3, including the charming liverpudlian, I had met ,who although not having much money, had a ready smile and was chatty, and funny."Seems like a real charmer" my daughter commented"

What I'm trying to say is were all duped,and some of us are older and more worldly aware.Sophie deserves our understanding, not snyde remarks, she has to live with her association with this man.......................all we have to do, is comment on it.Lets put it to bed now folks.

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Thanks mate.

Oh, and bolt? I'm sorry for not having a degree in the English language and I'm really sorry if you thought I was bullying the guy. All I did was type what I was thinking, and if I continue to type what I'm thinking, I may get banned.

Soooo...basically, I'm sorry for being stupid and not articulating myself properly. Parambulate - just wanted to use the word.

Sophie, none of this is your fault. You have friends here - use them.

Night night.

PLEASE feel free to pm me bruv, dont worry about getting banned i'm not the sort of snide that reports things to the mods.

;iagree; very  :goodpost:

I meant, I may get banned by the mods. No need to pm you buddy. Ta, anyway.

this thread could run for years

29 pages in, ive read every one and not commented untill now.
Flushy, when you have children of your own it hits home hard, trust me.
Ive felt sick inside since this thread came about, yet its taken me this time to get around to posting, a respected poster on Blonde, a peodo, who would have thought it!
Sudendly life comes crashing down with a bump, we perhaps reailise how lucky some of us our, our thoughts go out to the unlucky ones.
Poppet, you have done nothing wrong in our eyes.
I just hope BB4(my first BB) is not tournished(sp) with this, and look forward to me meeting you all.

Jason  

This thread will fade away in it's own time, & no doubt another emotive issue wlll be along to replace it. Quite soon too, I fancy.

I was kind of surprised that I hit the post button a few days ago when I made that post because apart from being crap at poker I like to keep my personal problems close to heart.

First of all I would like to say to Taxi that my heart is with you mate, I know exactly what you mean but I dont want to go into detail on here.

There has and rightly so been a lot of anger voiced on this thread about paedophiles and what should be done to them and whether they should be named and shamed.

At the time that my life was torn apart the "Megans Law" petition was going round the pubs/clubs/streets and EVERYONE was signing it... there were innocent men getting beaten up and the real paedophiles went underground.

I truely believe that to name and shame will drive these beasts out of the radar and perhaps force them to group together secretly which would be much more dangerous.

First off, I hope I will be forgiven on this occasion for posting anonymously.

My experience:  I suffered sexual abuse between the ages of 3 and 13 at the hands of a cousin who was five years older than me – a child himself when it began.  I do not intend to go into the details here – it would take pages and pages for me to relive all that I went through.  I spent much of my time between the ages of 11 and 13 absolutely terrified that I might be pregnant.  It ended when it did because I finally had the courage to tell him to stop.  I told no one.  When I was 17 a situation developed where, in the heat of a moment, my cousin became concerned that I was going to tell other people what had gone on, and he tried to kill (strangle) me.  Thankfully other people were present and pulled him off, but I will never forget the feeling of passing out thinking I would never come round.  I had bruises on my neck for weeks.

I am now a mother myself.

The point of this post is twofold.  A couple of people have gone against the grain in this thread saying that they support the idea of rehabilitation for sex offenders.  They have been branded ‘do-gooders’ or, rather patronisingly IMHO, been told that they would feel differently if they had children.

My personal view is that I am totally opposed to capital punishment, lynch mobs and the like.  I fully support rehabilitation, and see no reason why someone who has served a sentence, shows true remorse,  and is deemed highly unlikely to reoffend should not be given a new identity and reintegrated into society (subject to being placed on the appropriate registers).

At the time the Megan’s law petitions were going around I happened to be passing through a small village, and was asked in a local convenience shop to sign.  I said I would not as I did not agree with it, and it was almost as if everyone in that shop at the time audibly gasped and glared at me accordingly.  I was pregnant at the time and told I would feel different once my baby was born.  I don’t.

My second point is that there is evidence to suggest that the majority of sexual abuse on young children is actually carried out not by adults but, as in my case, by older children.  Perhaps this is something the parents on here calling for castration, hanging and shooting may wish to think about.  Would you still consider those apt punishments if it was discovered, god forbid, that your 10 year old son was abusing your 5 year old daughter?

There’s no black and white here, but please let’s respect everyone’s viewpoint.

Hi there im the mother of the kids this happend to his step children.....i had no idea there were pics of my kids on here and im horrified...a friend told me and im looking to have them removed...........this is a evil man who beat me up the whole time we were married but i had no idea he was a sick pervert and i was married and lived with him for years....so none of you were to know either.......he was not in jail for driving offenes he was in for domestic abuse so thats all been lies aswell......as for the girl he was seeing sophie wake the hell up and get rid no one would be sick enough to write and be in contact with such a horrible evil man
.................any ideas please let me know how to get rid of my kids from this site
Anita

To the best of my knowledge Anita, all pics of your kids have been removed.

Personal Message sent to you Anita.

A brave post chickie and I dont blame you for going anon... I wish I had but I got a bit caught up in the moment.

My ex went through a program (cant remember the name) and I have to say to it shook him up badly, whether it worked or not I dont know, once the trust was gone I wasn't interested in finding out, I just wanted him out of my life.

Also after he did his rehab and before the final showdown "Sarah's Law" was being pushed through which I have to admit was a lot harder to dismiss and YES I did sign a petition even though I knew that if it had went through it would have meant me having to move out of the area as the locals knew who he was.

As for rehab..in my opinion...maybe it will work for some. Drug abusers/Alcoholics/Gamblers/Smokers can be reformed and never do it again but some will lapse and it may take several attempts before they finally get there.

Sorry chickie but to put it bluntly...I dont want a reformed paedophile anywhere near my kids thinking what he could be doing to them and patting himself on the back saying im a good boy now.

One lapse is another kid abused.

Anita

I hope one day your children will be able to put this terrible time behind them, more so I hope that whilst guiding and supporting them you will find time to heal yourself too and one day I hope that you will all be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel, which at this moment in time may seem so far away.

You and your children are in my thoughts and prays,  I hope your love for your children will reassure them and that you have the necessary support you need to find the courage to continue once they are sleeping.

Anita here again i would just like to clear things up on the alegations that i seem to be some sort of nutter........any fight caused between myself and this evil shit was caused by him his beatings his spending every penny his cheating.......i was terrified to leave this shit ............yes sophie im sorry you have met this man but i think my feelings will be alot different to your own my children were brought up by this man since the age of 2...and were all suffering horrifficly.....thank you all for who have replied with concern....i met a few of you in france last year and i have beat myself up so so much about being back with this bastard while this had been going on ..i lay awake at night tormenting myself.......thinking have i missed anything........and sophie if i had known you were seeing him i would have said keep away as u dont want beating to a pulp.......fact was once u were at his house(the one he thre me and my kids out of) with no where to go.........he was texting me begging me to have him back ect......hes a sick twisted bastard..................

his parents are blaming me saying its my fault,saying its me who told my kids to say this even tho there was 89 pieces of evidence and dna ect it sickens me ,,,,,,saying the fact that he paid for these images on the pc was my fault ,,,there as sick as him............all the jahovahs witnesses are protecting them..........

as for billy, thomas ect im so so sorry for you aswell as i know there has been times that he stayed with you ...........my thoughts are with you

the people who pm me with there comments thanks there appreciated .....
anita

My Mum and Dad are Jehovah's Witnesses as are both my sisters and whilst I strongly disagree with many of their beliefs and methods I know that they wouldn't protect a child abuser under any circumstances.
If this mans parents are involved with JW's then maybe they are seeking comfort and emotional help or "protection" by becoming closer to their religion like many people of different faiths do in a time of family crisis.
Obviously I don't know the specific details but I do know that all Jehovah's Witnesses aren't apologists for child abuse.