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taken from another forum I thought this scenario was quite interesting..

situation:

You are Jim Jiggles
your current online roll is 2k

you sattelititeded your way into the sunday mill, and are deep.

payout is:
1st 200,000
2nd 102,000
3rd 84,000
4th 40,000


* There is talk at the table to make a deal 3 way, since short stack is only 2BB's

Now its 4 way, and the stacks are as follows:
Villain 1 - 13million
you 12.5 million
villain 2 - 8.5 million
Villain 3 - 1.2 million


Blinds are 300,000 / 600,000

you are BB, chip leader (villain 1) is SB
short stack is UTG
and Villain 2 is button.

it folds to you and chip leader goes all in. (I know, he's a retard, but thats how he has been playing)
you have KK.

who does what?

i call, then say no deal bitches!

Standard

Pass.

you HAVE to fold. it's horrible but you can't afford to risk it. wait for the shorty to get knocked out and take the deal.

Have you ever made it to 4 handed without chopping?
 :o
 ;applause;

Pre click the check/fold box.  Don't let that stupid brain thing start nagging away with thoughts of '' well if I double up ....''

A call could potentially cost you well over $50,000.  With a 'roll of $2K, that's a tad more than I'd be wanting to gamble, even if he told me he had A2 & I could shoot him if he's lying.

i call

i'm with flushy

I would call then try to avoid puking with fear as the board is dealt.

OOOOOOH this is like Bullseye  ;D

<<Im my best Jim Bowen accent>> "You've got $40,000, that's safe. You've go the time it takes the timer to count down from 30 seconds to decide what to do"


GAMBLE!!!!!!!!

The three way deal is not guarenteed and the short stack could still double through on the next two hands.

It's sqweaky bum time but you have to call.

Call :). 40k is still alot, if you win,which you probably will, sod the deal and nab the 200k. I'd probably puke whatever happened. If you get sucked out on, get those serious insults ready for the chatbox.

If you called and won your chips would be worth about 160 -170k.  With a deal after the short stack goes out prob worth about 130k.  So if you are on average 3-1 fav it makes sense to call, but you have to take account of how you could use the "guaranteed" money i.e. if 100k gave you the bankroll to play at a higher level where you could win 50k more in the next 6 months, it would make sense to fold.  

CALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL probs.

Toughie tho.

Right now, at this moment in time, id fold. But if i was minted obv call.

I once passed Aces preflop in a live tournament at a final table to move the prize ladder - and the sums involved were nowhere near the amounts in the question.........................

By mid 2003 i'd only been playing the game for about 9 months, only online and nothing serious money wise because the clapped out steam powered PC i had inherited wasn't powerful enough to download a decent poker site in less than a week. Therefore my poker was restricted to playing the limit poker on pokerroom. One day at work i had to go downstairs to talk to someone in a different department and i noticed a poker magazine on their desk and began to talk to them about poker. He told me that if i wanted to play online that the best site was Pokerstars for tournaments and he also told me about the £10 rebuy tourneys at the Grosvenor Riverside in Salford on a Wednesday and Sunday night.

My first live game was good considering i had no idea about betting as all the games on pokerroom were limit and this was pot limit but i soon picked it up and was quite happy with my play even though i didnt cash. That night i couldn't sleep as cards and hands were rushing thru my head and i decided that i had to go back and soon. So on the Sunday night back i went for my second tourney. Not sure how but i made the final table with about average chips and off we went. Being a newcomer at the table i never thought to ask how the prizepool worked or what was on offer (though i later discovered that the card room manager wrote it on a piece of paper for all to see! :D) and i remember incurring the wrath of one of the regulars by reraising a short stack all in player from the small blind when apparently it was "poker etiquette" to just call and allow the big blind to also call and knock him out. I had 77 at the time and made a set on the flop which soon quietened the regular down but i tried not to let it phase me for the rest of the game.

Then when we were down to 8 we had an unbelievable hand. UTG raised the pot and by doing so virtually put himself all in, next to speak reraised all in, next player passed then a short stack called all in. The cut off passed then the button went all in too, the decision was on me in the small blind and i look down to see AA. It would cost me all my chips to call and i have the big blind behind me who is short stacked and may go all in and then the UTG original raiser who is pot commited and will probably call all in. I decided that against 5 all in players that i could fold and move several places up the prize ladder, so i passed  :o

Sure enough BB and UTG go all in for a 5 way all in pot and after about 10 minutes when the dealer had sorted out who won what we ended up losing 3 players and as it turned out my AA would have actually held up!!! Not long after that hand we lost another player and the 4 of us remaining decided to do a deal. Now at the time i had no idea how to do deals - and chances are because of that the other 3 players may have took advantage of me, but then at the time i got offered nearly £1000 and i couldnt believe i could agree to walk out with that much money having only bought in for £11 and one £10 rebuy. I'd never had so much cash all in one go and decided that i should invest the money in a laptop so i could do away with the wind up steam powered PC - and so that weekend off i went and blew half of my hard earned winnings. I also downloaded Pokerstars and doing a few tournament buy ins trying to adjust to the super quick software and tournaments where i could bet all my chips in one go i seemed to get the hang of it and the rest is history.

I often wonder if i had called there with the AA and lost, walking out with about £200 how my poker career would have panned out....... :)


Though if asked the question now - i call every day of the week!! :D

With that bankroll, in that situation, easy fold.

Same situation, but youve got aces, who passes who calls?

i pass aces but called with kings

ok i call with aces too

Now i call.

It's interesting because I'm still torn about this one.

Essentially I'm with flushy on this; call and tell the rest of em to sod off no deal (untill your HU maybe) and pray to God he doesn't have Aces and you don't get sucked out on.
He could just be doing this to pick up the blinds and get some more chip equity for the deal (as was posted the guy is a retard for pushing here no matter what he holds) or he could have a monster and I'd be F'ed.
If I got sucked out on I would severely flip out but if I won this it would set me up for a very big payday indeed and I think you have to go for it.

I don't know if I'd have the guts for it though and might just say "F'it I'll fold and win the tourney after shorty is out and I bag myself a great deal of dosh)

with aces this is a very easy call for me.

If your bankroll is 2k winning 20 times that is a massive result already. I'd also imagine that I was the least experienced of the players at this level and would stand a reasonable shot at getting gubbed when it goes to 3 against v1 & v2. I'll be the first to admit I've never played at that level but how often are you putting this guy on aces when he does that? I'd call in an instant and take a shot for the 200k. Probably with QQ too, Aks or JJ is where I'd start having qualms and fold.

Win that pot and you are practically guaranteed $200K. Easy call.

Fold, then get a bad situation later on and you might just end up with $40K. With that small a bankroll how could you afford to take such a big risk of losing $160K?

ur in the money

u may never get in this spot again..im calling


then prepare to launch the dog over the neighbours fence

oh. i'd call with aces. still don't think those of you who say call or really putting yourselfs in the right position to think about this. probably cause alot of you have higher rolls than the player in question already.

i think the key thing about this is HE PLAYS ACES IN THIS SPOT THE SAME AS ANY OTHER HAND.

long shot yes. something you'll look back on for the rest of your LIFE and regret if you never make it to pro after calling and only making a lame 40k from that position?

yep this is the key thing..and why I wouldn't know if I'd have the balls to call him.

$40,000 is still one hell of a result for a $2,000 bankroll. and that is the worst case scenario.

Say you call and he has AA and you go out or he has Ace rag and hits the Ace. Suffice to say you'd be gutted.

But if you folded and he showed you 44 or T3 or whatever you'd be equally gutted. In fact more so as it wasn't a "bad beat" that cost you your big break but just the fact that when you were presented with your big break you bottled it pure and simple.

and if you do make it pro it wouldn't be on the basis of one big MTT win anyway.  It would be on the basis of grinding it out and winning/cashing regularly.

a) he's unlikely to show.
b) so what if he shows rags? you never seen KK outdrawn before?
c) ALOT of people turn pro off the back of a single big win. and i think doubling the profit here is pretty key to doing that.

Your hardly ready to 'go pro' if your bankroll is $2k!

That is so incorrect

 if your a playa you call , if your a pussy you fold

when exactly did i say you could?

what happened?

Pick from the following:

He called, the other guy had AA - KK hit quads but still ended 4th - they don't call it Riverstars for nothing

He folded and the short stack doubled up several times, wouldn't deal and KK ended up 4th.




(I think it is a made up scenario)

Of course it is made up, look at the payouts:

40-80-102-200!!!

lol..yeah it's made up...interesting question though.

same number of times I've seen KK bust AA. So your point is irrelevent.

Yes a lot of people turn pro after one massive result but that does not make them good players or good pros does it?

when exactly did i say it did?

You said

"long shot yes. something you'll look back on for the rest of your LIFE and regret if you never make it to pro after calling and only making a lame 40k from that position?"

Surely the implication of your statement is that winning £200,000 or £40,000 is the difference between making it pro or not? Otherwise what is the point of your comment?

My point is that wether you win 40K or 200K here it will have very little bearing on wether you make it as a pro. You can't base a lifetime of success/failure on wether you won a single tournament.

it's alot easier to go pro with 80k than 40k. no? right here i'd be aiming to maximise my chances of future success thats all i'm saying and i don't think you can do that by calling off your stack in this poistion without AA.

Its Pokerstars right?

I fold

I call all day every day.  i don't care what the stakes are to be honest pre flop all in there is no way I am passing this in a million years.  $40 k is a lot of lolly and I am sure I could have fun with that.  But I'd rather put myself in a position to win it rather than live with the though of what if!

no decision for me i call everytime

call every day of the week and twice on sundays

and then go busto just as quick.

one swallow does not a summer  make.......


my first impulse here was to fold to  ladder   due to the ss  impending presumed demise,

but given all the factors    kk 4 handed is a monster   go 4 it     


IF I HAVENT TIMED OUT    AAAAAAAARGH

but what a start, lets you know she's a top bird.