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don_mercer = donk.
lendusachip = super lag.
zoesmom = pretty tight. 

PokerStars Game #9732052178: Tournament #49385750, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/05/03 - 16:43:48 (ET)
Table '49385750 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: don_mercer (910 in chips)
Seat 4: temp0r2k (1775 in chips)
Seat 5: lendusachip (4345 in chips)
Seat 6: zoesmom (6470 in chips)
don_mercer: posts the ante 25
temp0r2k: posts the ante 25
lendusachip: posts the ante 25
zoesmom: posts the ante 25
lendusachip: posts small blind 200
zoesmom: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to temp0r2k [Qs Ks]
don_mercer: raises 485 to 885 and is all-in

what is the most profitable move here given the opponents and chip stacks?

definate  ;all-in;

i'd prob fold

Very interesting, I was about to post a similar problem, I think these situations in Sit and Goes are very common (i.e. two big stacks, you're to act in third with <<10bbs and the 4th place player has one foot past the rail...)

zoesmom should call with any two cards, but as a tight player... they might just make a (bad) fold. And you might kick yourself later if you pass now and allow the shortstack to get those chips. Or you could get involved, only for the LAG to come along as well, and find yourself in a live pot you don't want to be in.

Horror situation: you move in behind the shortie and zoesmom finds an AQ or something similar and calls as well. Shortie fluke-triples with live cards and you're out 4th.

But then, if you pass, you might be out 4th anyway, and at least you have a hand right now.

Folding is the worst of the 3 here, i think calling and pushing are quite close. Im leaning towards calling to try and get some cooperation from the other players. UTG is a donk therefore we have their range beat i would have thought..

Once the flop comes down im calling all in if anyone makes a move at the pot, as we are totally tied to the pot.

His range is huge not because he's a donk but because he is very shortstacked. He should push with any two here.
I could easily find a fold here against most players in this situation as the blinds with a hand decent hand have to call and it would be half my stack. If I think the blinds will call I fold. If not..I'll push. Calling is by far the worst option for me.

I agree with the first line yeah he should push wide because of his stack and in actual fact cos he's donk, he prob doesn't push wide enough here. This is not an atc push tho.The bottom 25% it is worth gambling and hoping for a better bb.

I still think folding is horrible our hand is way too strong not to have him crushed and letting other people do our dirty work with inferior hands to ours make no sense. With our stack not bubbling is priority number one, the chance of utg beating more than 1 player are minimal.

You don't want to call with the super LAG acting behind you likely to push you off pre-flop for sport.

I think it's between pushing and folding

Im not folding ever here once i have called, are you taking the mick, look at the stack sizes?

Him having no fold equity is unlikely to stop him raising as he doesn't know that.

Yes a call fold would be daft, but people do it, and a super LAG may raise there with not much.


Which I suppose leads to the interesting question of whether or not you want the 3 way action in which you'd need the 3rd best hand in order to bubble?

looks a pretty straightforward shove to me, folding is not an option

agree with that.

Looks like a no brainer all-in to me.

;iagree;

im gonna disagree, instant fold.

1. nothing invested
2. any big bllind would call
3. especially as raiser is a donk
4. extra especially by a looney chip leader

push every day and double on sunday!

and thats the team fasch motto

should of made a poll really shouldnt i?

fergus: i'm guessing you're not an SnG player btw?

anyway here's the result..

PokerStars Game #9732052178: Tournament #49385750, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/05/03 - 16:43:48 (ET)
Table '49385750 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: don_mercer (910 in chips)
Seat 4: temp0r2k (1775 in chips)
Seat 5: lendusachip (4345 in chips)
Seat 6: zoesmom (6470 in chips)
don_mercer: posts the ante 25
temp0r2k: posts the ante 25
lendusachip: posts the ante 25
zoesmom: posts the ante 25
lendusachip: posts small blind 200
zoesmom: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to temp0r2k [Qs Ks]
don_mercer: raises 485 to 885 and is all-in
temp0r2k: raises 865 to 1750 and is all-in
lendusachip: folds
zoesmom: calls 1350
*** FLOP *** [Th 3c 2h]
*** TURN *** [Th 3c 2h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Th 3c 2h Qc] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zoesmom: shows [Kd Js] (a pair of Jacks)
temp0r2k: shows [Qs Ks] (a pair of Queens)
temp0r2k collected 1730 from side pot
don_mercer: shows [6d As] (high card Ace)
temp0r2k collected 2955 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4685 Main pot 2955. Side pot 1730. | Rake 0
Board [Th 3c 2h Qc Jh]
Seat 2: don_mercer showed [6d As] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: temp0r2k (button) showed [Qs Ks] and won (4685) with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: lendusachip (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: zoesmom (big blind) showed [Kd Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks

yea i am, but when on the bubble in 3rd place the main objective is to let 4th place gamble first, and cash yourself.

Is not going all-in with KQs here in itself a gamble tho...

i dont know if im reading that right tank, im saying kq is a gamble and i wouldnt take that spot to gamble, id let mr 4th try his   luck first

ah i see what ur saying now


i think folding is less of a gamble

 ;tightend;

Andy this must be the first time you have ever knocked back a chance to gamble!

Your liable to push with 7-2 in that position just for the craic!

yea well my answer was when i play my "A" game


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