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Love this call against the Scandi. And Doyle's last quote says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQukgklLKtI&mode=related&search=

doyles right, what retarded bet

the call is an out and out gamble

he must think its 50/50 at best

I hate the call i don't care if its doyle. The bet is an overbet but he rates to have the best hand alot here, loads of fold equity and a2 doesn't play great post flop.

The call is alot worse than the overbet IMO.

FYP

Finland isn't really Scandanavia.  The call had all the symptoms of someone sick of being outplayed and desparately grasping a chance to gamble. 

They're playing poker, not solitaire.

I think that clears it up.

Great call IMHO,  He called when he was ahead, and he stayed ahead.

the raise even,was retarded

A shocking call, was very happy when i first saw this knowing Doyle still came 3rd.

good call, put chips in whilst he was ahead, and it held up

I might add Doyle was clearly getting outplayed by the other 2, he made i think 3 comments about being fed up of the bullying going on, with this in mind although his equity in the pot against the Antonious range is likely to be well below 50% he maybe fancied it lessened the real edge Antonious had, a bad player making a call with 40% equity can actually be a good play.

I love his "We're playing poker son, not solitaire"...I think this is one of his great calls of all time.

Nail on head!  total joke of a call.

yeeeeah he should stick to them cash games. couldnt be anymore a EV- call. a desperate gamble indeed.

OMG sorry to offend those of you that thought this was a good call but LOL.
Donkeys.

 ;iagree;

TBH I think Antonius  looks uncomfortable as he pushes all in, infact I think we was going to automaticaly check but decided to push "rather than risk it". I could be reading his body language wrong but i doubt it, He was already puching the chips to the dealer as to motion a check but he paused, then quick contemplation and a push, to say gimme your chips.

Now one of Doyles maxims is that he will call of all his money with a weak hand if he thinks he is ahead, Patrik should have known this, So removing the -EV play long term, which we all know long term its a bad play but given that situation I say its a good read on a player and a great call.

Hang on so you agree -ev call, but then say its a great call. Ummm im confused. Its either one or the other, surely.

Ok I suppose I see your point, but surely any form of tell just widens his range and 3's plays bad against alot of ranges and doesn't affect ev that much the wider it gets. Also you factor this in the ranges to assess whether it -ev or not. Its oxymoron to say this call is -ev but its a great call.

Also how much this tell gives away is debatable, Patrik is a top player and probably give away alot of false tells as well.

The call is only -EV in the long term over X many hands played out time and time again, Doyle is known to gamble with a weak hand if he thinks he is coin flipping.  Like I said, if Doyle caught a tell or saw that Patrik was not comfy pushing then yes it was a good call for that one particular hand.

In most situations its a bad call but in that one situation it was the correct call, as for false tells, there were more than one tell in the way Patrik played, The pause, the sheepish allin, the holding of all motion as he waits, for the call / fold.

It may be an oxymoron to say its - EV and its a great call but from a situational stand point thats exactly what it is.

BTW i could be totally wrong and Doyle decided "Fkk IT " and just called cos he was fed up, but after watching Patriks body language I think Doyle picked up something.

It would be interesting if someone had ever interviewed him on this hand, just to see what he said.

How can you pick up opn something holding 33?

OMG is this a joke!!!

I believe Patrik had some oreo's with him and kept splashing the pot, while putting on some Russian accent. Obv

 :D

I agree with everyones having opinions etc.

What alarms me Newmanseye is that you say Patrik looked uncomfortable when he put his chips in. Approx 0% of the worlds population can get a physical read from Patrik on the strength of his hand. It is also hard to read someone for a deuce in their hand no matter how bad their body control would be.

Horrible call, but an understandable one. I probably stick the lot in with 3s because unless your lucky there aint gona be many situations you can get your chips in against PA better than 50/50 (Presuming that most of the time you would be racing here with 3s)

I never said he read him for a deuce, or that patrik was telegraphing a deuce, but in my opinion he looked less than confident when he pushed his chips in, from the moment Doyle makes up the bet till PA pushes he looks like he does not want a call.

I maintain that Doyle probably thought he was racing and was happy to do so as is one of his maxims.

Whats so ALARMING about that?

shocking

remind me never to swap a %.

Wilfully entering a race when 3 handed is not the best situation to get into.

M3Boy probably wishes he said the same thing.

I think you can say this is a dodgy call overall but if you compere it to
1-chris fergusons call versus t.j coultier a9o v aq

2-johnny chan call a7o versus helmuths 99

3-johnny chan call a9o versus frank henderson 44

4-t.j.coultier a3o call versus bill smith 33

all final hands in the wsop it can maybe seen slighly differently

Now i don't know how these hand were played out, and how the betting went etc.

Ax plays alot better calling an all heads up than 3's does, as ax is ahead of alot of the range they are calling, for example it plays better against all of the following hands, kq,kj,k10,k9,qj,q10,kk-44.Also the top 3 might even get lucky and be dominating a smaller ace.

im pretty sure 2 was a raise helmuth reraise chan shove and a call. i think chan would have had a playable stack if he folds.

3 and 4 im sure were calls of shoves.

1 im not so sure but i think it was raise ferguson,shove, call.

and then theres the infamous mr tony g,s call with a3o after limping from sb 4 handed. i say infamous in reference to the so called trash talk that followed

Far better to chop than to race.

pmsl

Its just crazy that a regular hobby player can say they picked up a read on Patrik Antonius imo.

I am a Super SLAG tourney player. If someone tells me to get the lot in on hand 1 of the world series and id be 49% to win the hand my chips would be there in a flash.

So, Mr Martin, wind your neck in!