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ok this hand has been goin through my head a lot. playing at £10 pot limit rebuy tourny at local casino tonight. 1000 starting chips blinds 100/100 (not a great structure i know). the opponent in question is usually very loose and aggressive, but has been quite subdued tonight as has not see many cards and not hitting any flops. he has generally been checking if missing the flop and hasnt lead out on many flops so far during the night.
anyway the following hand comes up. with blinds 100/100 he makes it 400 UTG. this is only his second raise of the night havin previously shown JJ. i have about 7k and call wiv  Ks Qs along with 2 other callers.
the flop comes down  Kh 6h 4c. im thinkin i like this flop, but suddenly this guy announces all in. as its pot limit he can only go 1700 but has about 800 behind. this is the strongest bet he has made all night and im thinking for a while about what he could have. he has bet out extremely strong for the first time and obviously likes his hand a lot. i take an age and go through every scenario in my head. basically, i dont think he has KJ cos he wouldnt have raised UTG, but this isnt impossible. after a while i decide the only hands i could put him on are  AK or AA with the small possibility of KK or KQ also.
i finally decide to muck as im fairly certain im beat. i really wanna know wot he has and fold face up to get a reaction. immediately the table start screaming the usual "how can u fold that, ur obviously miles ahead" etc etc.
wot opinions do people have of this hand. im sorry if any details arent clear or if description is too vaugue

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You would need one of them to get me off this hand...

Um ok if we have on such a tight range preflop, why are we calling the raise in the first place? Fold preflop, as played insta shove the flop he may well have alot of pairs here qq-77.

 ;all-in;

yep..either fold pre-flop if you are really scared or shows some balls when you do hit. (sounds a bit harsh maybe but what are you hoping to hit when calling pre-flop with that? )

To be honest I wouldn't even have called his preflop bet.

post flop?


He could have had QQ JJ or AQ and be making a continuation bet or as you say he could have AK, AA. So it's a tough decision post flop but that's why I'd have folded pre-flop because when you call a raise with KQ you are never comfortable with hitting just top pair as you always suspect the raiser has AQ, AK, AA or KK.

So I'd have folded pre-flop

classic

you think an all-in on that flop means strength 100% of the time? LOLZ.
by the sounds of it he needs to double up pretty desperately. so why would he shove the flop with top set?! LOLZ. or aces? only if he's a donk petrified of getting outdrawn.
i think you're miles ahead. and you shouldn't be calling with this hand preflop against his range unless you're going to call such a move as this.

Ok

I think calling a standard raise with a suited K-Q is perfectly acceptable, particularly when the raise comes from an opponent who is missing. However, the fact that we are in a multi-way pot and not heads-up with this guy changes the complexion of the hand.

You are holding two high cards which are not monsters, but you are also going to the flop with suited and connecting cards. The POTENTIAL of your hand in a four-way pot is something which is appealing for me. You could hit a big flop or big draw and take down a big pot. So I definitely call here.

The texture of the flop is clear. Your draw possibilities have gone, so the hand is now nowhere near as strong as it could have been.

I think that it is important to decide what your expectations are with this hand before you call the pre-flop bet. So was top pair going to be good enough for you? Also, don't forget the other two players. Someone could already have a set, or flush draw and be ready to come back over the top.

The other point though is that you have made some useful observations about UTG. He is subdued and not hitting flops. So you should welcome getting involved in a pot with someone like this. His aggressive over-bet could be frustration rather than strength. I find that if you have had a quiet spell....when a strong hand shows up....you want to make the most of it. But he wants everyone out of the pot here.

If he had been playing a lot of pots and getting out-drawn I could see him doing this with A-K to protect his made hand. But to be subdued and then over-bet makes me want to get involved here. He could definitely have a pair of queens or a heart draw and is just shipping it.

I would be a lot happier if it was heads-up, but in spite of the other two players, I think I am going to set our out-of-form friend all-in here.

i guess its hard to explain the situation on a forum cos noone knows the player or wot hes like or the situation. i appreciate the comments people have made. but yes he is a donk that doesnt cotinuation bet unless he hits. people love a pot bet at this casino. they feel as its pot limit thats the best bet to make, and it terms of this player in question, it means a lot of strength. i mentioned he had only been betting when hitting and checking when missing. i dont make a habit of folding top pair 2nd kicker as easily as this but as the situation was i felt i made the correct play. i was playing good last night and my analysis and reading had been goin well.
maybe i was wrong

with regards to calling pre flop, i usually do fold as this hand can lead to trouble. but i have a nice drawing hand and plenty of chips in a multi way pot and decided to assess the situation when the flop comes down

AgentChip, if this was your read of the situation and you were confident your opponent had the goods, based on other information, then folding was the best play.

Agent chip i understand your thinking and ok if the opponent is as you described i can see why you played it the way you did.

I think this whole cold calling with kq (suited or not) is not a great idea unless your opponent is sufficiently loose to have him dominated  sometimes . Our hand is hardly ever disguised, it is often dominated in raised pots. It only plays multi way when we hit the flop and everyone else misses generally.

This is the danger with KQ, calling a raise preflop of that amount with the chips you have is not the best play in the world, but neither is it the worse play in the world.

I take it you were last 2 act? as you folded face up. So calling is ok in multiway, but I would release with TP, I am looking to hit the str8 or 2 pair here.

He has put the decision on you. Most tight players want to shove on a flushing board when they hit it or have overpair.

Tight you say? Fold for me