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Title: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Royal Flush on May 30, 2007, 10:23:36 PM
Last 50 of the 20k on DTD, average stack is 10k, you are 5th overall.



Seat 1: Kimmoo (8190 in chips)
Seat 2: Daniello (7371 in chips)
Seat 3: Jeri (3815 in chips)
Seat 4: Lund- (25075 in chips)
Seat 5: Flushy (21008.50 in chips)
Seat 7: butch_dk (7600 in chips)
Seat 9: Snowcone (14765 in chips)
Seat 10: PIGLET82 (11136.50 in chips)
Daniello: posts the ante 50
Jeri: posts the ante 50
Lund-: posts the ante 50
Flushy: posts the ante 50
butch_dk: posts the ante 50
Snowcone: posts the ante 50
PIGLET82: posts the ante 50
Kimmoo: posts the ante 50
Daniello: posts small blind 200
Jeri: posts big blind 400
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Flushy [4h 5h]
Lund-: calls 400
Flushy: calls 400
butch_dk: folds
Snowcone: folds
PIGLET82: folds
Kimmoo: folds
Daniello: folds
Jeri: checks
----- FLOP ----- [7s 6c Jh]
Jeri: checks
Lund-: bets 800
Flushy: calls 800
Jeri: folds
----- TURN ----- [7s 6c Jh][8s]
Lund-: bets 2000
Flushy: raises to 6000
Lund-: raises to 10000
Flushy: raises to 19758.50 and is all-in
Lund-: calls 9758.50
----- RIVER ----- [7s 6c Jh 8s][3d]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Flushy: shows [4h 5h] (A Straight, Eight high)
Lund-: shows [Tc 9c] (A Straight, Jack high)
Lund- collected 42917 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 42917 Main pot 42917 Rake 0
Board [7s 6c Jh 8s 3d]
Seat 1: Kimmoo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Daniello (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jeri (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Lund- showed [Tc 9c] and won (42917) with A Straight, Jack high
Seat 5: Flushy showed [4h 5h] and lost with A Straight, Eight high
Seat 7: butch_dk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Snowcone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: PIGLET82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: nirvana on May 30, 2007, 10:38:22 PM
Serious question James, how long from his raise to 10K did it take you to go all in ? Insta.... ?


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Dewi_cool on May 30, 2007, 10:39:24 PM
Should have raised pre flop


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Royal Flush on May 30, 2007, 10:46:59 PM
Serious question James, how long from his raise to 10K did it take you to go all in ? Insta.... ?

No i nearly folded, been playing a lot of PLO lately and feel i should have got away from this, but i think thats just my PLO head on.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 30, 2007, 10:51:27 PM
Should have raised pre flop

He insta-limped.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Bongo on May 30, 2007, 10:58:59 PM
Should have raised pre flop

He insta-limped.

Does tantrum know?


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: boldie on May 31, 2007, 12:00:40 AM
in omaha it's an easy fold..in NL holdem...cold decked I'm afraid. I ain't folding this here


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on May 31, 2007, 12:08:25 AM
instafold


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: M3boy on May 31, 2007, 04:43:35 AM
Can you get away from this?

Ummmm, yes.

FOLD prelfop simple


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Royal Flush on May 31, 2007, 06:54:15 AM
in omaha it's an easy fold..in NL holdem...cold decked I'm afraid. I ain't folding this here

yay, if you go broke here i have no worries i played it right, cheers.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Tragic on May 31, 2007, 12:09:59 PM
UTG limp, just as easy he has 66 77, fold it or raise it pre. Find out where u are against UTG limped, if he calls hope to hit or for the flop to be high and bet out.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Royal Flush on May 31, 2007, 12:54:48 PM
UTG limp, just as easy he has 66 77, fold it or raise it pre. Find out where u are against UTG limped, if he calls hope to hit or for the flop to be high and bet out.

Raise to find out where i am pre flop? I have 5 high, i know where i am.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: booder on May 31, 2007, 01:03:09 PM
UTG limp, just as easy he has 66 77, fold it or raise it pre. Find out where u are against UTG limped, if he calls hope to hit or for the flop to be high and bet out.

Raise to find out where i am pre flop? I have 5 high, i know where i am.



 rotflmfao


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: boldie on May 31, 2007, 01:40:28 PM
UTG limp, just as easy he has 66 77, fold it or raise it pre. Find out where u are against UTG limped, if he calls hope to hit or for the flop to be high and bet out.

Raise to find out where i am pre flop? I have 5 high, i know where i am.


lmao


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: tantrum on May 31, 2007, 01:46:56 PM
in omaha it's an easy fold..in NL holdem...cold decked I'm afraid. I ain't folding this here

yay, if you go broke here i have no worries i played it right, cheers.

It is tough to fold low end of the str8 isn't it Flushy? ;D


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: temp0r on May 31, 2007, 03:06:37 PM
why are you limping behind the only guy on the table who can hurt you with a tricky hand? okay you have position on him but if you get callers behind you then it's a horrible situation.
also. i'm guessing this was some super tight table else you wouldn't be doing this right? i mean if there was a single aggressive player down the button end of the table then they'd be smart enough to raise here probably.
i think it's a simple fold because i don't want to be in the pot with this guy unless i know i have him dominated. once we're there though i'd want to raise the flop and find out where i'm at early. i think thats the crucial bit about this hand. obviously i don't mind staying involved becuase if we're playing such a hand there's no way we can fold that flop. but i think a call there is kinda weak. what are your implied odds when you don't even know what he's holding?
and the river. well. unless he had 45 aswell then there's nothing you can beat that he's re-raising with so why not just call? or maybe fold?! i can't see him limping with JJ. 88 is sort of possible but i'd still think most players wouldn't re-raise with it.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: boldie on May 31, 2007, 03:19:46 PM

and the river. well. unless he had 45 aswell then there's nothing you can beat that he's re-raising with so why not just call? or maybe fold?! i can't see him limping with JJ. 88 is sort of possible but i'd still think most players wouldn't re-raise with it.

Damn and I thought I was tight. the guy could be reraising all in with just about every set. I really don't see why you would not shove your chips in the middle here. (unless you know for a fact the guy has a higher straight and there's nothing from the betting to suggest that he made that (other than him moving all in but if you're afraid of someone always having the nuts when they move in you should take up knitting...no offense ))


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: temp0r on May 31, 2007, 04:21:22 PM
he didn't raise all-in though did he... he made a donkish value bet that wasn't exactly asking flushy to fold..


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Tragic on May 31, 2007, 05:53:06 PM
You know you have 45, brilliant. Do you know what he has? A raise helps to eliminate some of the shit that eventually proved ur downfall in this hand, keeping in hands u have nice implied odds against. Ultra passive play with suited connectors doesn't get u very far. U get a flop like this and don't reraise?


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: boldie on May 31, 2007, 06:16:56 PM
he didn't raise all-in though did he... he made a donkish value bet that wasn't exactly asking flushy to fold..

fair point. my chips would still be in the middle here though. I have seen plenty people make that bet with top set


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: nirvana on May 31, 2007, 08:09:32 PM
I love some of the tone of the admonishment flushy's getting here :-) :-)

"Ultra passive play with suited connectors doesn't get u very far. U get a flop like this and don't reraise?"

Quite right. What ! What !

xx


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: boldie on May 31, 2007, 08:10:39 PM
I love some of the tone of the admonishment flushy's getting here :-) :-)

"Ultra passive play with suited connectors doesn't get u very far. U get a flop like this and don't reraise?"

Quite right. What ! What !

xx

yeah  i was thinking the same.

like your sig btw.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: nirvana on May 31, 2007, 08:15:02 PM
By the way Boldie, agree with you that you'd have to be the type to see demons everywhere to fold .. but, think he coulda found a call to the last raise and had tuppence ha'penny left to go on and win with



Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Royal Flush on May 31, 2007, 08:35:13 PM
By the way Boldie, agree with you that you'd have to be the type to see demons everywhere to fold .. but, think he coulda found a call to the last raise and had tuppence ha'penny left to go on and win with



He jams the river though surely.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: M3boy on May 31, 2007, 08:40:07 PM
You are missing the point though James.

You have entered into a pot with 4 5 against the one player that can hurt you.

I do not like the limp one llittle bit.

As for what to do on the flop/turn I cannot comment as I would not be in that position in the first place


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Tragic on May 31, 2007, 09:12:10 PM
LOL I didn't mean it to come across like that, one of the reasons ur playing 45 agaisnt this guy imo is that he has plenty of chips to give you, but if you are going to play it play it strong; at least when u flop the draw passive route is not for me.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Tragic on May 31, 2007, 09:18:10 PM
If you are the kind of play as Flushy obviously is who likes to play hands like this at this stage and gamble with other big stacks for a shot at the win, then you can't play 45 like this is what i'm trying to say. It just makes no sense, the reason u play 45 is to win a big pot yet after the flop you play it so passively, bet - 3 bet the flop or check raise it if ur shooting for a huge stack or to take the pot. If you aren't, why the hell are you playing it in the first place :(.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Royal Flush on May 31, 2007, 09:24:32 PM
I had position and thought i would try to make a near nut hand against a fellow big stack, i didnt want to raise myself out of the pot on the flop.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: maldini32 on May 31, 2007, 10:32:23 PM
Cold decked, and i play 4 5 suited all day wit my stack in that stuation. But thats just me and i have no wsop bracelets.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: nirvana on May 31, 2007, 11:47:44 PM
By the way Boldie, agree with you that you'd have to be the type to see demons everywhere to fold .. but, think he coulda found a call to the last raise and had tuppence ha'penny left to go on and win with



He jams the river though surely.

A very good point ! Last time I pose as hand analyst :-)


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Boba Fett on June 02, 2007, 01:17:53 AM
Avoidable, maybe you should stick to Omaha?


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: AlexMartin on June 02, 2007, 01:37:00 AM
Every decision is fine imo. I dont want to avoid big stacks, i want them to double me.
Cant just wait for kings then have some ahole find aces all the time.


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: Pab on June 02, 2007, 01:43:13 AM
I would have passed preflop in this given situation, in later position I possibly limp or more likely raise and isolate the limper with position. Pre-flop tendacies obviously differ player to player, once u have limped pre and see that board, please slap yourslef if you consider passing


Title: Re: Cold decked or avoidable?
Post by: AlexMartin on June 02, 2007, 01:45:23 AM
And take me to Barca next year, ill get em..... ;nemesis;


and for substantially less than E4k.