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Poker in the Pub Sales Executive

Job Role
Team Europe is seeking to recruit 4 energetic and enthusiastic sales executives to obtain at least 20 new pubs, clubs or similar organisations each month and introduce them to the “Poker in the Pub” league. The key geographic locations are the North West, North East, Scotland and Yorkshire but we may expand this if the right candidate applies. The sales executive should be able to provide excellent customer service at any given time (which may mean the occasional evening) and within a given geographic location. 

All other products in our Poker range must be promoted.

Our perfect candidate
Ideally we are looking for a poker enthusiast who plays the game and is willing to introduce the game to teams of prospective players within pubs, clubs and similar organisations. Our ideal candidate must be willing to work under their own initiative, be confident and preferably have a sales background. The person must also be able to compile reports and feedback a situation analysis report at any given time to HQ. There will be targets set so they must be results driven and of a mind to exceed expectations. They must be fully computer literate and own a home computer with internet access. They must be willing to make at least 40 appointments a week and to build a client and prospect list.

The sales executive will be provided with a car, insurance and thus they will need to have a driving license.

Hours
Monday – Friday – 10am to 5pm, plus evenings where necessary. The total number of hours per week should be no less than 40.

Salary 
Basic £14,000 p.a. plus commission   OTE £20,000

Benefits
Brand new company car, insurance and expenses

Holiday Entitlement
16 days p.a. plus bank holidays

More details will be given upon application.

Thanks

Dave

that's a pretty poor salary for a good sales person isn't it?

Is that not below the national Minimun by law?

nope - minimum by law i believe is 20 days

16 days + bank holidays = 24 days

The law has just been changed so tight companies cant cheat people out of holidays and include the free bank holidays your entilted to. Its 21+the bank holidays now, or very soon to be.

Man who would work for a comany offering that..lol gl.

Sounds like a fun job, but the salary is rubbish for the right candidate...unless they're desperate for a new car.  Pity.

WOW

Well I must admit I did not expect this response. As a salesperson I would hope that the salary would not be the income you would expect, the commision should make it a decent wage, but then I wonder what is viewed as a decent wage? As for holidays I have never had a problem with this as a starting set of days and to be honest I will look at changing it if it appears unfair. I want people who can see the benefits and grow what is still a new idea and if this expands and the responsibility of the role grows then I will review the salary.

Hi Rivercard, do you have any more information about the 'Poker in the pub' in general? Website etc, just out of curiosity... Didnt someone on Dragons Den have an idea similar to this?

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We're not having a go, it's just that good performing salepeople almost certainly have higher On Target Earnings than 20K, that's all. Where I used to work if a salesdude was earning 20K he got the sack. I'm sure you'll find someone, whether they are any good or not............

Sales salaries are funny things.  They are related to the difficulty of selling the product either because it is very expensive e.g. an IT system and a lot of knowledge and negotiotion is necessary or it requires a lot of calls for one sale e.g. life assurance.  Alternatively the product might be easy to sell but low margin, so there really isn't any requirement for high powered sales technique.  I suspect that this job is the easy to sell but low margin kind, so someone reasonably personable without a great deal of sales experience would probably think this was an ok job and do well in it.

it's adverts like this that make me realise how lucky I am to have my nice civil service job :)

Have to say the wage is shocking for a sales person,  my minimum salary in sales was £20-25k basic plus added benefits
car, lots of hols etc normally ote 40k+

Only good salesperson you will get for that money is an 18 year old poker enthusiast

and its a great opportunity for a young person with lots of drive to make the sales. will also allow the person to become more familiar with the world of poker. good luck with the recruitment:)

Just shows the way things have degenerated around here, the guy is advertising a job, if someone is interested then they can apply.
Otherwise why have a pop??
Daft

basically because its a **** wage :)

Holiday entitlement is illegal. Sorry if thats acceptable to you.

I do feel a bit sorry for Rivercard here, like Ifm said, he comes here advertising a job and gets a load of stick.  Sure the money may not be great but you are only comparing that with what you can get with a larger company.  I'm sure if Poker in the Pub was huge multinational, they'd be paying more.

You quite often see posts from people wanting to get involved in the business.  They often are willing to work for next to nothing, this is an ideal opportunity for them.

The money aint great but you might attract the right kind of people by posting on here. GL in your search.

Seconded, the criticism has probably done the job of putting off anyone who may have been interested.
Dont take it personally. Regretfully as this forum gets larger, you could probably have posted £40k and someone would have had a pop.

Good luck with the expansion of Poker in the Pub, which unfortunately doesnt yet stretch to Jersey !!

It's free advertising!!!! what do you expect?

Firstly, anything's that's posted on a public forum is open for debate, IRRESPECTIVE of what it's initial purpose is.

Secondly it would be extremely naive of rivercard to post a job vacancy in the poker industry on the biggest poker forum in Europe and not expect it's specifics to be scrutinised and discussed by it's poker enchanted members so i don't know why he  or anyone else is in the least bit surprised or disappointed at subsequent posts.

LOL, If I put up a post saying I want a poker coach to get me pwning 2/4 and I'm prepared to pay £7 an hour, and someone says hey man you're gonna need to pay more than that for a good coach. Are they having a pop at me or giving some advice? I'd say it's advice (be it good or bad) or having a discussion, on what happens to be a discussion forum.

fwiw rivercarddude seems to be one of the few people who are genuinely trying to get new players into the game and for that I wish him the very best of luck,

£7 per hour I am available and I have played poker on the telly so must be good. Just call 0800 INDESTRUCTABLE.  8)

PS good luck with the vacancy.

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I know him well.....Steve Bellis was that man from Wrexham & The Nuts Poker League, he had all the Dragons fighting to give him money......when he looked into the contracts on offer he didn't take there money after all the offers. He came back from a holiday in the USA with the idea. The league now nation wide & is doing really well too & I don't see why there isn't room for a competitor, so good luck with the business.

There are times when salary isn't the most important thing to a lot of people.........to get paid for doing something you enjoy can be worth a few grand....IMHO

Was The Nuts PL the original one?

Brilliant!!!
If it's illegal then it won't matter will it? It will HAVE to be brought in line.
As a matter of fact it is NOT illegal as someone kindly pointed out to you earlier, at least check this stuff out. I'll give you a clue though........todays date is 26th JUNE 2007  ;)

I was actually referring to the general tone of the criticism though not necessarily the content

Yeh....I think so?

There have been lots of small leagues around for quite a while, but it has only really been in the last year and a half that anyone has attempted to take it to a national level. As for the wage there are plenty of people who would be quite happy earning 20k a year doing something they enjoy.

The nuts poker league started about the same time, he actually approached PITP for joining the leagues prior to going on dragons den.

If people are complaining about the salary then they have no idea what they are talking about. one of the posters hit it on the nose earlier.... sales jobs are paid depending on the difficulty of the sale amongst other things. I did sales for some time for a phone company, and there basic was a lot worse but the product was an easy sell. Its not some top IT equipment thats being sold here... its entertainment!

for a brand new car + insurance and the basic wage your already in a damn good position, and £20,000 isn't the maximum its a guestimate.

How can anyone complain about something their not interested in, if you dont want or need the job then why comment. Just because your paid more or get more holiday doesn't mean its an automatic entitlement. No-one is dumb enough to advertise a job with anything that is contrary to employment law... therefore if a certain amount of holiday is advertised and thats fine!

Just my 2 cents lol :)

Like someone has already outlined you put this on a forum its open to debate.

Forget about the pay, the holidays are soon to be an illegall amount and the mere fact they offer so little and think thats acceptable is telling on the company and how they treat their workers.

If everyone accepted and didn't speak out against jobs that offered very low holiday entiltments then we would be like America where your lucky to get 2 weeks total.

I wish Unions didn't have such a bad rep, they do have their uses..

I think you have every right to put your 2 cents in. Shame you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you on this subject should not put theirs in.

This is the General Discussion forum is it not? If you put a post up you can be pretty sure that people will discuss it.

Low salary or not,

If you find the rigt person, and they love the job........than they will never work again!

I'm pretty sure some people have posted up jobs that break employment laws but in this case it does not appear to be the case. As long as the salespeople are paid for bank hoidays then they can count as part of the minimum of 20 days for a full time employee.

"are paid for bank hoidays " (sic)


er...wrong..google is your friend.

The key geographic locations are the North West, North East, Scotland and Yorkshire

An OTE of 20k is far too much to be paying northerners ... i reckon the job is OVERPAID !! ;)

er......correct actually, the law changes in October

All im going to add is if this job was advertised for the welsh area i would jump at it.

i would rather extra money than the car

then i could take the train if i had a hangover

Are the hours flexible, is there a pension?

LMAO

Class, whoever it is

The key geographic locations are the North West, North East, Scotland and Yorkshire but we may expand this if the right candidate applies.

Lets see you jump

Thank you to everyone who has replied and to Blonde for letting me post. Just to clarify no matter were you are if you are interested please apply as we will be looking at covering the entire U/K and are looking at SPAIN.

now you're talking..how's about relocating me to Spain and buying me a house there...I'd take the job :)

Barcelona sounds good :)

I think that this falls into the "monkeys and peanuts"scenario, plus a company car nowadays is not a benefit, it's a liability.

More companies should look into travel allowances rather than the PAYE employee forking out each month on a benefit in kind

I don't know about you but I would quite like having a car for which I did not have to pay the garage bills. I am fairly sure that the bills I would not have to pay would more than cover any additional tax. Perhaps I've just got a crap car. Current ailment - windscreen wipers have stopped working. Doh!

The missus' company car, and unlimited diesel works out very well for us.  Definitely cheaper than the cost of outright purchasing or leasing the same car.  She's just got a new Honda Civic diesel.  What a cracking car by the way.  Very good engine, quick with very low emissions.  But yes, many people are worse off with a company car and might be better with an allowance.

Yeh and your car is like a prius anyway so you are doing your bit for the environment!!!


My bro gets a new seat leon cupra FR every 3 months straight off the transporter so im quite happy with his deal aswell when i get to drive it!

im one of the best salesmen around and i wouldnt get out of bed for £14'000 a year. i'll do it for £12'000 and $4000 worth of pokerstars funds. but im in reading and cant drive... DAMN IT!!!

That is one of the funniest posts i've seen this year :D
 
Thing is you're probably serious!!!!!!

With your petrol,insurance and tax paid I think Its great to have a car that you don't have to worry about. You cant do much about the government and the tax position but we think the commission more than make up for that...only time will tell. Applications are still open this week

40 appointments in 40 hours + Excellent customer service? compile reports and feedback, whats the overtime pay like :) never done sales, is that no overtime?

The appointment target was purposely set at a high level as we want potential applicants to realise this is a full time job. Sales people will not be able to just work 20 hours a week and expect to keep their job. The target we are more concerned with is the number of new venues signed up each month as this dictates the financial viability of us continuing to employ a particular salesperson.

We have also created a further benefit that really eclipses everything else about the job. Successful applicants will be given the job title of "Business Development Executive." That title must be equivalent to at least an extra 2k a year. I would quite happily work for free if I could have that title.

On a serious note. Thanks to all the applicants that have applied so far and we are looking forward to meeting some of you.

You're hired!

Cool

When do I start and what am I doing!

P.s A shoe shiner can not be given the title of Business Development Executive

Now working as Bongo's agent. If anyone needs any supermarkets opening give me a call on 0800 Bongo.


It's so quiet....

tick tock, tick tock..

No wonder there is no pay for this role, you don't do anything

OK, now taking bookings for newsagent openings

I'm waiting.....