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Title: cash game hand Post by: matt674 on August 13, 2007, 11:38:43 PM Please someone explain this call to me - i don't normally play cash and now i know why..........
PokerStars Game #11471556584: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/08/13 - 18:33:39 (ET) Table 'Tethys V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: Willi123 ($432.10 in chips) Seat 2: matt674 ($753.70 in chips) Seat 3: futilewar ($385.50 in chips) Seat 4: machinehead6 ($331.40 in chips) Seat 5: capaneo ($1105.60 in chips) Seat 6: illu1212 ($80 in chips) Seat 7: mrdeanie ($624.90 in chips) capaneo: posts small blind $2 illu1212: posts big blind $4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to matt674 [Qs Qh] UWantToBeMe! leaves the table mrdeanie: calls $4 Willi123: calls $4 matt674: raises $20 to $24 newtraderpq2 joins the table at seat #9 futilewar: folds machinehead6: folds capaneo: raises $51 to $75 illu1212: folds mrdeanie: folds Willi123: folds matt674: calls $51 *** FLOP *** [6d 2c 6c] capaneo: bets $125 matt674: raises $553.70 to $678.70 and is all-in capaneo: calls $553.70 *** TURN *** [6d 2c 6c] [3h] chepaschuqui joins the table at seat #8 *** RIVER *** [6d 2c 6c 3h] [Ac] *** SHOW DOWN *** capaneo: shows [Td As] (two pair, Aces and Sixes) matt674: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Queens and Sixes) capaneo collected $1516.40 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $1519.40 | Rake $3 Board [6d 2c 6c 3h Ac] Seat 1: Willi123 folded before Flop Seat 2: matt674 showed [Qs Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes Seat 3: futilewar folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: machinehead6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: capaneo (small blind) showed [Td Aspades] and won ($1516.40) with two pair, Aces and Sixes Seat 6: illu1212 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: mrdeanie folded before Flop Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: The_nun on August 13, 2007, 11:43:16 PM well...
Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: Graham C on August 13, 2007, 11:44:18 PM absolutely sick play.
Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: BigArmo on August 13, 2007, 11:47:01 PM I don't get it ?
Very Very SICK ;frustrated; Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: matt674 on August 13, 2007, 11:47:27 PM best bet is i'd only been sat there for about 15 minutes - started with $400 but soon built it up to $750 because of some really bad players.
I'd actually ticked the box that says "sit out next blind" because i'd decided that was enough profit for the evening when this hand happened :'( Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: AlexMartin on August 14, 2007, 12:10:33 AM thats as bad a beat as iv seen, so wrong.
Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: Smart Money on August 14, 2007, 03:00:17 PM Obviously his call is about as bad as you'll ever see, however you shouldn't be trying to build a near-400BB pot with just a pair of Queens!
Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: matt674 on August 14, 2007, 03:16:48 PM So how would have been the best way to play the hand? I usually steer well clear of cash games as i'm a tournament monkey but my thought process during the hand was.
There have been two limpers so with my $4 that puts $18 in the pot - i dont particularly want to play QQ in a family pot so i raise the pot to force the limpers to pass. Now i get reraised by the only player at the table with a bigger stack than me - he has been showing agression in the other hands while i've been at the table but usually he has been overbetting the pot preflop and everyone has passed so he hasnt shown that many hands down. I decide that flat calling is probably the best option and then i can reassess when the flop comes down. Once the flop comes 6-2-6 he comes out firing again, which i expected him to but i figure i have the best hand - so how is the best way to play it from here? Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: AlexMartin on August 14, 2007, 04:31:03 PM So how would have been the best way to play the hand? I usually steer well clear of cash games as i'm a tournament monkey but my thought process during the hand was. There have been two limpers so with my $4 that puts $18 in the pot - i dont particularly want to play QQ in a family pot so i raise the pot to force the limpers to pass. Now i get reraised by the only player at the table with a bigger stack than me - he has been showing agression in the other hands while i've been at the table but usually he has been overbetting the pot preflop and everyone has passed so he hasnt shown that many hands down. I decide that flat calling is probably the best option and then i can reassess when the flop comes down. Once the flop comes 6-2-6 he comes out firing again, which i expected him to but i figure i have the best hand - so how is the best way to play it from here? against him, exactly how you played it. I like to re-raise on the flop with your hand, but lots of others like the cally way of doing things. Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: boldie on August 14, 2007, 08:27:24 PM So how would have been the best way to play the hand? I usually steer well clear of cash games as i'm a tournament monkey but my thought process during the hand was. There have been two limpers so with my $4 that puts $18 in the pot - i dont particularly want to play QQ in a family pot so i raise the pot to force the limpers to pass. Now i get reraised by the only player at the table with a bigger stack than me - he has been showing agression in the other hands while i've been at the table but usually he has been overbetting the pot preflop and everyone has passed so he hasnt shown that many hands down. I decide that flat calling is probably the best option and then i can reassess when the flop comes down. Once the flop comes 6-2-6 he comes out firing again, which i expected him to but i figure i have the best hand - so how is the best way to play it from here? against him, exactly how you played it. I like to re-raise on the flop with your hand, but lots of others like the cally way of doing things. I agree, you played it exactly right and it's a sick sick loss Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: Graham C on August 14, 2007, 10:09:15 PM is it safe to mention the 50p yet?
;hide; Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: Smart Money on August 15, 2007, 04:17:35 AM So how would have been the best way to play the hand? I usually steer well clear of cash games as i'm a tournament monkey but my thought process during the hand was. There have been two limpers so with my $4 that puts $18 in the pot - i dont particularly want to play QQ in a family pot so i raise the pot to force the limpers to pass. Now i get reraised by the only player at the table with a bigger stack than me - he has been showing agression in the other hands while i've been at the table but usually he has been overbetting the pot preflop and everyone has passed so he hasnt shown that many hands down. I decide that flat calling is probably the best option and then i can reassess when the flop comes down. Once the flop comes 6-2-6 he comes out firing again, which i expected him to but i figure i have the best hand - so how is the best way to play it from here? OK, well I take it back if you know your opponent well enough to be confident that you're ahead here. However, I'd still play the flop differently: 99% of the time, even the most loose cannons are going to fold to the all-in on the flop. I prefer just to stall/call because they will fire again on the turn- and you can then repeat the stall/call or jam. I love having aggressive manicas at the table. They are dead money- especially at full ring games where you can afford to be patient against them. Be prepared to lose several very small pots, and then double up when you flop your monster. Generally though, you want to play passively against them until at least the turn. Just let them keep on firing. Anyway- very, very unlucky. The game can be cruel at times!! I suffered an amazing run of bad beats myself last night- including losing to 6%, 4% and 0.66% dogs! (See my blog link below if you're interested!! :) ) Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: UpTheMariners on August 15, 2007, 04:41:44 AM keep earning those slansky dollers!!! 50p in the tin.
Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: matt674 on August 15, 2007, 01:05:02 PM However, I'd still play the flop differently: 99% of the time, even the most loose cannons are going to fold to the all-in on the flop. I prefer just to stall/call because they will fire again on the turn- and you can then repeat the stall/call or jam. But what if an A, K or club comes on the turn if you flat call? I did think about the flat call but decided with too many scare cards in the deck and with him being first to speak and likely to fire again regardless of what comes on the turn that i may be better pushing and giving him the option of folding and taking the $212 profit with no risk of losing. Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: Smart Money on August 17, 2007, 02:58:50 PM However, I'd still play the flop differently: 99% of the time, even the most loose cannons are going to fold to the all-in on the flop. I prefer just to stall/call because they will fire again on the turn- and you can then repeat the stall/call or jam. But what if an A, K or club comes on the turn if you flat call? I did think about the flat call but decided with too many scare cards in the deck and with him being first to speak and likely to fire again regardless of what comes on the turn that i may be better pushing and giving him the option of folding and taking the $212 profit with no risk of losing. Assuming we have this aggressive maniac on precisely the type of hand that he had, I'm more than happy to let him try and hit a 3-outer in order to pretty-much guarantee that he will fire another large bet on the turn. Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2007, 03:47:26 PM Anyway- very, very unlucky. The game can be cruel at times!! I suffered an amazing run of bad beats myself last night- including losing to 6%, 4% and 0.66% dogs! (See my blog link below if you're interested!! :) ) Real, fake, fake, real? Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: Scottish Dave on August 18, 2007, 01:42:15 PM 1/ can't decided so ill go for real, since the next three are fake
2/ fake 3/ fake 4/ fake 5/ real! Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: boldie on August 18, 2007, 02:00:46 PM 1 who cares?
2, who cares? 3, who cares? 4 who cares? 5..really ...who cares? answer in all cases..yes please Title: Re: cash game hand Post by: kingkev on August 18, 2007, 03:23:36 PM So how would have been the best way to play the hand? I usually steer well clear of cash games as i'm a tournament monkey but my thought process during the hand was. There have been two limpers so with my $4 that puts $18 in the pot - i dont particularly want to play QQ in a family pot so i raise the pot to force the limpers to pass. Now i get reraised by the only player at the table with a bigger stack than me - he has been showing agression in the other hands while i've been at the table but usually he has been overbetting the pot preflop and everyone has passed so he hasnt shown that many hands down. I decide that flat calling is probably the best option and then i can reassess when the flop comes down. Once the flop comes 6-2-6 he comes out firing again, which i expected him to but i figure i have the best hand - so how is the best way to play it from here? given the wide range agg players will 3bet / cont bet QQ looks huge here since you don"t know if this guy is going to fire multiple barrells post flop with the wost hand id be happy to raise and play for stacks, leaving back about 300 or the all-in overbet whichever move you think the opponent will interpret as weakest. |