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Game #4374287293: $20K Guaranteed THU (ID5347523) $100+$9 - Hold'em NL (10/20) - 2007/08/23 - 20:03:19 (UK)
Table "5347523 - 13" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Char09076 (2500 in chips)
Seat 2: Foamer (2480 in chips)
Seat 3: Daniel-R (2510 in chips)
Seat 4: Dean037 sits out
Seat 5: JockScott (2700 in chips)
Seat 6: adamg001 sits out
Seat 7: The_sam (2480 in chips)
Seat 8: Stewman (2330 in chips)
Seat 9: Tanurass sits out
Seat 10: Luckywiz (2870 in chips)
adamg001: posts small blind 10
The_sam: posts big blind 20
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Foamer [4s 7s]
Stewman: calls 20
Tanurass: folds
Luckywiz: folds
adamg001 sits back
Char09076: raises to 60
Foamer: calls 60
Daniel-R: folds
Dean037: folds
JockScott: folds
adamg001: folds
The_sam: calls 40
Stewman: calls 40
----- FLOP ----- [2h 7c 6s]
The_sam: checks
Stewman: checks
Char09076: bets 60
Foamer: calls 60
The_sam: folds
Stewman: folds
----- TURN ----- [2h 7c 6s][8s]
Char09076: bets 120
Foamer: raises to 480
Char09076: calls 360
----- RIVER ----- [2h 7c 6s 8s][5h]
Char09076: bets 1900 and is all-in
Foamer: ?

instacall

i call too

I'm folding that, stinks of a 9...   

99

I'm folding here,no-one pushes with the arse end of the straight here

I called, I couldn't believe he had 99 else he'd have bet more on the flop vs multiple opponents. My turn raise represents real strength here so surely he puts a smaller bet in to have sets/two pairs pay him off on the river. The shove just makes no sense to me even with a nine, I don't think he puts me on the straight either because I'd have probably raised less on the turn. Even less likely give how the hand plays is him having a 4, 54 suited shoves the turn I think and any other 4 doesn't shove the river, as Sharpy said for obvious reasons.

All these factors added up to me calling. He showed JTo.

Good/Bad call?

Ballsy call this early in the tourny....I couldn't

Smells like Nines. As someone else said, very few players stuff it all in on a river like that.

I'm surprised you didn't raise the flop as there aren't too many turn cards you're going to like.

Who bets 1/4 pot with nines there vs 3 opponents? I thought that bet signified he was incredibly strong or incredibly weak.

I would have raised then to find out how strong he was, put him to the test as they say. What are you hoping for with 7-4? Surely top pair's good enough to stick in a raise, especially with a hand so vulnerable to a turn card.

I probably raise the flop too tbh.

But the way the hand is played out i have to call the river there.

He called a re-raise on the Turn, so very unlikely he has nothing. An overpair would surely check? I'm very surprised to see J-T there.

Not if he puts you on a set/two pair etc.. He could also have Ax of spades, if the x is 9 then bl.

An overpair may check, but at the same time, doesnt a 9 value bet rather than shove?

He did have nothing.  I call on the river but raise flop.

To be honest, I'd say A-9 was a more feasible option than 9-9.

I'd raise the flop and consider calling (and praying) on the Turn, although a lot of players do just shovel it in with the made hand too.

Good call though.


I don't know the answer to this as I don't play online multis, but do many players who believe their opponent has a set or two pair push hoping they'll fold?

Probably a call you have to make going so deep with this hand considering you aren't behind to a whole bunch of hands...ballsy though.

However, a note about your general strategy here NoFlops. It looks like we have a flat-call UTG..then a raise..and you calling the raise with 4-7..lots of active players behind and of course the UTG limper. If you went on to loose this hand it would be a pretty sorry way to bow out of the comp so early. More often than not though you are going to get re-popped pre-flop, probably from UTG man, and have to fold. This is a sure-fire way to leak chips and become uncompetitive right from the get-go. If you do get to see the flop many an awkward decision awaits with this hand.

At this stage of a tournament a reraise pre is only coming from someone with an absolute monster; it's actually fairly rare to UTG limp a massive hand at this stage of the competition anyway it doesn't serve a whole lot of purpose as you advertise your hand with a reraise and still don't win that many chips. These are the stages of a tournament you want to get involved, see flops, and use your superior skill to outplay opponents and accumulate chips. Why wait for big hands or high blinds and put even more focus on your cards?

I appreciate the point you make Tragic but if your starting requirements are this low when calling raises what criteria do you use to actually fold a hand? The comment..." you want to get involved, see flops, and use your superior skill to outplay opponents and accumulate chips" would apply to every and any hand....and all the skill in the world isn't going to stop you check-folding a hell of a lot post-flop. In this example Homer has run into a donk but a better player is showing the 9 here every day of the week....this is not called the idiot end of the straight for nothing.

Homer has no information about his opponents as yet and so to make general assumptions about what UTG man plays like , or what any of the other players are capable of, is a bit hit and hope really. The skill factor is more relevant when we know more and I think this is a better strategy than rushing in blind just to get involved. You will loose more chips than you win playing 7-4...I guarantee it.