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10 handed table on blonde, blinds $0.50/$1, I have $205, BB has me covered, and has been playing tight, only pot of note was him getting his entire stack in with AA against the table idiot (who was also responsible for my double up).

I limp UTG+2 with 2 black fives.
SB makes up, BB checks.

Flop comes:
 7s 8s 5d

SB Check
BB Bets $3
I raise to $9

SB folds
BB raises to $33

What do you do?

allin

Would love to say fold but am pushing as well!

Disconnect protect?

Only kidding, of course, wouldn't condone that sort of behaviour. This looks nasty though. I'm not sure a tight full-ring player calls a shove here unless you're behind - don't think you really want to be playing for deep stacks on the flop with this. He's very unlikely to have 3-bet the flop with a draw, unless, maybe, it's flush + straight draw. It could be an overpair that he doesn't want to get too involved with prefop (99 - JJ). But most of the time I think it's top 2 pair/set/flopped straight, which isn't the greatest range for you.

If it is one of these hands, then I think you gain an advantage by seeing the turn. You might well raise the flop and call a 3-bet with a flush draw or possibly a straight draw here, which means that any spade or connecting card could slow him down on the turn. You also gain fold equity on the turn and/or river against a higher set and maybe even against the made straight. If it's set over set then you might at least get it to showdown without getting your whole stack in the middle. If it's overpair/two pair then he probably feels he has to bet the turn, giving you more value against those hands than a $200 shove, which probably causes him to fold.

I'm sure I'll get shot down for that, but this just looks like he's got a monster (though everyone's got a set against me at the moment, so I'm probably a bit paranoid).

Call + hope board pairs, stacks are deep enough to make this the near optimal play v a nit.

What if board doesn't pair and he bets say $50 at you on the turn? Shove?

Problem with the board pairing (unless it's a 5) is that you're still behind to plenty of his range, while a vulnerable overpair probably shuts down. I think the best card is probably a spade, which makes it hard for a set/two pair/straight to call an all-in raise, no..?

I made a slight mistake originally - he raised to $33, not $30.

Anyway I called the bet, deciding to see the turn card and how he acted (I had position after all). I didn't really want to get my entire stack in as I don't think many of the hands I beat would call, but the ones that beat me probably aren't going to fold - and having 200BBs the downside is higher than it usually is!

Turn card was Td

So board now reads

 7s 8s 5d Td

I hold  5s 5c and I have 170 back. Foe has me covered.

He bets $50 (was it you Moskvich?!)

Now what?

Tough position.  What's he got?

Big pocket pair?  Unlikely as he didn't raise pre-flop and he's unlikely to want to see a flop 3-way.

Two big spades?  Again unlikely in my opinion.

64 or 69?  Could be, he didn't raise pre-flop and it would fit his MO as he's trying to get rid of you if you have the flush draw.

77 or 88 - also a possibility. 

78 could also fit in with his betting, but I would have thought the ten on the turn might slow him down if that's his holding - but he might not think it helped you, and he still thinks he's ahead


If you've got him tagged as a tight player who doesn't bet like this without a hand then it's probably a fold for me - and wait for a better situation.  With another player, it might well be a shove.  Either that or rip out your internet connection and go for the DP ;D!!

 9s Ts ??????

he has a str8 here. - you should fold even though it is making you puke.

i personally shove the flop, putting him on big pp, if he has higher set so be it.  Then again i struggle at the cash games!

That's what I did, just wondered if it was a good move or if it was way too tight of me!

 ;iagree;

something about brokements, unraised potaments and and the nuts...................(aments) and NEVERaments :)up

very tough spot, think it stinks of flopped straight, I think you have to fold the turn... But say you did call and he has a straight, you still have 10 outs...

I don't think so, no... Do you know who it was?

your behind and haven't the odds to call for a pair up - so fold is ok

Oh to have that kind of discipline :)

stinks of a made straight to me, im a bit of a nit would have played the straight the same as him and a straight flush draw. might have slowed down with 2pair on the turn just depends what i thought about the guy i was up against!!  think it was a good fold tbh.

That's the thing - i'd only played one big hand previously on the table, and then I had a set and had raised the flop with it (I also called the 3 bet there, but that was because I was trapping the live one), so if he was paying attention he knows I would play a set like that...

Seeing as I haven't been called a nit by everyone I think I played it ok.

If you're really interested Moskvich I could dig out the HH and find the guys username.

Not desperately, just asked as there's obviously a few regulars who almost 100% wouldn't do this unless they've got you beat.

"vmdatinaid"

This is where it turns out he's a fish and I get called a mug!  :D

No, he/she ain't no fish. Tight and super-aggressive, and winning comfortably when I've played with him. Nearly half those profits have come directly from me however... lol. Always seems to be sitting there with a big stack though.