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Title: How Do You Play This?
Post by: UpTheMariners on September 18, 2007, 04:32:13 AM
CCUUURRSE - VP$IP 24/ PFR 17/TAF 14

FullTiltPoker Game #3592670320: Table Racel (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:41:44 ET - 2007/09/17
Seat 1: CCUUURRSE ($234.30)
Seat 2: MomsVisa ($235.25)
Seat 3: ImNotSoLucky ($245.50)
Seat 4: travatan ($48.70)
Seat 5: Pelopidas ($216.55)
Seat 6: UpTheMariners ($200)
CCUUURRSE posts the small blind of $1
MomsVisa posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [Jd Kh]
ImNotSoLucky folds
travatan folds
Pelopidas folds
UpTheMariners raises to $7
CCUUURRSE has 15 seconds left to act
CCUUURRSE calls $6
MomsVisa calls $5
*** FLOP *** [4d Kd Ks]
CCUUURRSE bets $21
MomsVisa folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners has requested TIME
UpTheMariners calls $21
*** TURN *** [4d Kd Ks] [3h]
CCUUURRSE checks
UpTheMariners bets $40
CCUUURRSE raises to $206.30, and is all in
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners has requested TIME


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: boldie on September 18, 2007, 05:50:11 AM
I Call.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: LeKnave on September 18, 2007, 05:55:34 AM
I Call.

Yeah so do i.  I may raise on the flop to like $65.

But i would certainly call it off here.  He probs has like 77 or a flush draw.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 03:27:47 PM

instacall vs a player this aggy - hes prob got a flush draw.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: AlexMartin on September 18, 2007, 03:34:35 PM
i raise the flop, as played i fold.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: bolt pp on September 18, 2007, 05:18:21 PM
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i raise the flop

then fold if he shoves here?


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: ifm on September 18, 2007, 05:30:52 PM
Love the name momsvisa :D


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: temp0r on September 18, 2007, 06:35:12 PM
the same + a call on the end. there's not only the possibility that he's semi bluffing with the flush draw but he could also have sweet fuck all if he puts you on a flush draw and knows you're tight enough to fold here.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: deputydawg on September 18, 2007, 06:48:43 PM
CCUUURRSE - VP$IP 24/ PFR 17/TAF 14

FullTiltPoker Game #3592670320: Table Racel (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:41:44 ET - 2007/09/17
Seat 1: CCUUURRSE ($234.30)
Seat 2: MomsVisa ($235.25)
Seat 3: ImNotSoLucky ($245.50)
Seat 4: travatan ($48.70)
Seat 5: Pelopidas ($216.55)
Seat 6: UpTheMariners ($200)
CCUUURRSE posts the small blind of $1
MomsVisa posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [Jd Kh]
ImNotSoLucky folds
travatan folds
Pelopidas folds
UpTheMariners raises to $7
CCUUURRSE has 15 seconds left to act
CCUUURRSE calls $6
MomsVisa calls $5
*** FLOP *** [4d Kd Ks]
CCUUURRSE bets $21
MomsVisa folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners has requested TIME
UpTheMariners calls $21
*** TURN *** [4d Kd Ks] [3h]
CCUUURRSE checks
UpTheMariners bets $40
CCUUURRSE raises to $206.30, and is all in
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners has requested TIME

How much more time will they allow on Full Tilt before you need to decide but I reckon hurry up and call?


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: UpTheMariners on September 18, 2007, 07:22:42 PM
would he push all in on the turn with a flush draw?


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: doubleup on September 18, 2007, 07:25:57 PM
would he push all in on the turn with a flush draw?

Yes if he thinks you will fold and your weak (I like it actually) flop play makes him think you might.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: weedgie on September 20, 2007, 12:44:30 AM
fold


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: Tragic on September 20, 2007, 02:30:15 AM
What do you put him on on the flop to flat call and then pass to the blank turn? If you are going to do this why not info raise on the flop? As you have played it you now bring the possibility he has picked up on weakness into the equation. However I think I call here his range includes more hands you beat than not and you can always  Jc on the river vs KQ.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: AlexMartin on September 20, 2007, 08:52:49 AM
What do you put him on on the flop to flat call and then pass to the blank turn? If you are going to do this why not info raise on the flop? As you have played it you now bring the possibility he has picked up on weakness into the equation. However I think I call here his range includes more hands you beat than not and you can always  Jc on the river vs KQ.

Bleugh. After he c/r the turn you are so far behind its unfunny. And if you think logically about his c/r range on the turn, unless he is a total moron, you are crushed. AA?/QQ?/AK/KQ/44/33/K10. 


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: UpTheMariners on September 20, 2007, 01:28:59 PM
What do you put him on on the flop to flat call and then pass to the blank turn? If you are going to do this why not info raise on the flop? As you have played it you now bring the possibility he has picked up on weakness into the equation. However I think I call here his range includes more hands you beat than not and you can always  Jc on the river vs KQ.

I didn't like the flop bet and I see many players do this with a made hand and with a draw. I called to see what he did on the turn. If he comes out firing again i'd fold as I don't see him calling a raise with k10 based on his/her stats. Soon as he/she slows down I think that he could be on a draw, therefore I bet as the turn is a blank.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: Tragic on September 20, 2007, 02:08:57 PM
What do you put him on on the flop to flat call and then pass to the blank turn? If you are going to do this why not info raise on the flop? As you have played it you now bring the possibility he has picked up on weakness into the equation. However I think I call here his range includes more hands you beat than not and you can always  Jc on the river vs KQ.

Bleugh. After he c/r the turn you are so far behind its unfunny. And if you think logically about his c/r range on the turn, unless he is a total moron, you are crushed. AA?/QQ?/AK/KQ/44/33/K10. 

I was including some draws in this range as other people have suggested he may have, though i'm personally not sure they're that likely. Surely AK reraised preflop? I still don't have a 100% grasp of PT stats. I also strongly doubt he bets out on the flop with 33 and i probably wouldn't with AK either.


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: Smart Money on September 22, 2007, 07:39:32 AM
Fold.

At a risk of blowing my own trumpet, CCUUURRSE is probably the only player on the Full Tilt NL200 tables that earns more than me. (Although recently he has stepped up the limits playing on Pokerstars.)

He is a 12-tabler, BUT plays a very different (and very good) game compared with most of the multi-tablers. His stats show this to some extent. (He won the Pokerstars Sunday Million 12 months ago for $187k.)

He is well aware that you may have AK (and probably hopes you do) and I would put him on 44.

Admittedly he is often very aggressive on the turn (a mixture of bluff, semi-bluff, and value raises) but he'd most likely just call here with a flush draw.

Here is a very interesting thread on him:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11092754&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1






Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: UpTheMariners on September 22, 2007, 12:48:58 PM
Fold.

At a risk of blowing my own trumpet, CCUUURRSE is probably the only player on the Full Tilt NL200 tables that earns more than me. (Although recently he has stepped up the limits playing on Pokerstars.)

He is a 12-tabler, BUT plays a very different (and very good) game compared with most of the multi-tablers. His stats show this to some extent. (He won the Pokerstars Sunday Million 12 months ago for $187k.)

He is well aware that you may have AK (and probably hopes you do) and I would put him on 44.

Admittedly he is often very aggressive on the turn (a mixture of bluff, semi-bluff, and value raises) but he'd most likely just call here with a flush draw.

Here is a very interesting thread on him:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11092754&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1






after reading this im pleased i folded


Title: Re: How Do You Play This?
Post by: Tragic on September 22, 2007, 01:22:41 PM
Fold.

At a risk of blowing my own trumpet, CCUUURRSE is probably the only player on the Full Tilt NL200 tables that earns more than me. (Although recently he has stepped up the limits playing on Pokerstars.)

He is a 12-tabler, BUT plays a very different (and very good) game compared with most of the multi-tablers. His stats show this to some extent. (He won the Pokerstars Sunday Million 12 months ago for $187k.)

He is well aware that you may have AK (and probably hopes you do) and I would put him on 44.

Admittedly he is often very aggressive on the turn (a mixture of bluff, semi-bluff, and value raises) but he'd most likely just call here with a flush draw.

Here is a very interesting thread on him:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11092754&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1






Thx alot for this really enlightening article just woke me up of my recent trance of passivity!