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Title: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: jpean on October 11, 2007, 11:03:08 PM Hi people,
in cash games, there is some kind of hands that I have a special kind to play, and I don't no if I'm right in my mind : you have a flop like 9h 7h 8s and you have something like 6h 2h in your hands. so you have a straight draw with a flush draw. so against all no-2-hearts hands you have 14-15 outs so you are favorite around 50-55% even if you opponent has a big pocket, or a set. or top pair with a big kicker. On these hands, when I feel that my oppenent is ok to put money in the pot, I llike going all in because of the odds. Am I right or am I acting like a fish doing that ? Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: kinboshi on October 11, 2007, 11:07:33 PM You're never going to be that much of a dog if you go all-in. Of course, the bigger flush takes away a lot of your outs, but you still have quite a few.
If you have the open-ended straight flush draw, then you're in even better shape. Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: jpean on October 11, 2007, 11:17:13 PM You're never going to be that much of a dog if you go all-in. Sorry, I'm french, and I don't understand at all what does mean this sentence. Can you explain it please ? another thing I did'nt say. usually, there is some money in the pot on the flop, so the pot odds in your favor growth including that fact, isn't it ? Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: kinboshi on October 11, 2007, 11:22:08 PM You're not going to be that much of an underdog.
Against a set, you'll be a slight underdog (a slight favourite to lose), against two pair I think you'll be a slight favourite to win. dog = underdog When two hands face off, the underdog is the one that's less likely to win than the other. Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: AdamG on October 11, 2007, 11:29:21 PM i like big reraises / all ins with open ended straight flush draws & 2 overs, did it today against my mate and he folds top pair , but im favourite to win anyway!
im holding : Js Qs 9s Ts 3h flop i lead he raise, i shove...he waits and folds. 2 overs, 6 outs 9 spades, 15outs 8 or K (not spade) 6, 21outs.... 2 cards to come. Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: jpean on October 11, 2007, 11:33:31 PM so going all in with a straight draw and a flush draw is not similar to going with a straight flush draw ???
or , like in your exemple, it's because you have 2 over cards in addition with your draw? Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: kinboshi on October 11, 2007, 11:34:39 PM It makes a subtle difference, but in your example you are still in a strong position.
Title: Re: flush draw plus straight draw on the flop Post by: AdamG on October 12, 2007, 12:54:27 AM so going all in with a straight draw and a flush draw is not similar to going with a straight flush draw ??? or , like in your exemple, it's because you have 2 over cards in addition with your draw? the 2 overcards give u 6 extra outs ( if he has any pair from flop - long as his kicker aint 1 of ur cards ) |