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this is my very first hand so no idea on styles of play


Full Tilt Poker Game #3837387579: Table Blackhawk (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:21:28 ET - 2007/10/12
Seat 1: Edgy811 ($100)
Seat 2: khimira ($73.95)
Seat 3: Fazzah ($110.50)
Seat 4: ROB502 ($33.65)
Seat 5: Miami Magi ($136.70)
Seat 6: Soda_Popinsky ($134.05)
Fazzah posts the small blind of $0.50
ROB502 posts the big blind of $1
Edgy811 posts $1
khimira: ahahah
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Edgy811 [6s 6d]
Miami Magi folds
Soda_Popinsky folds
Edgy811 raises to $3.50
Fazzah raises to $6
ROB502 calls $5
Edgy811 calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [9d 8s 6c]
Fazzah has 15 seconds left to act
Fazzah bets $17
ROB502 raises to $27.65, and is all in


wot do people think is the best way to play the hand from here

thanks in advance

I pretty much insta shove the lot on the flop, preflop looks standard to me.

insta call he has overpair.

Valuepush :)

Yeah i'm going bust here.

call

flat call then get it in on the turn whatever comes.
this is looking like a pretty nice situation however if it's your FIRST HAND you really shouldn't be raising a hand so tricky to play post-flop against unknown oppo.

it's 6 max, open raise any pair from any position.

i only play 6 max. but i'm still not aggressing like this till i've seen 20 hands.

would you raise aces?

flat call you want action off the sb who has an OP, reraising all in will only scare him off if he knows what hes doing.

I was thinking exactly the same thing

yes.

I think cold calling will also scare him if he knows what he's doing.  There are a zillion scare cards that can hit on the turn, so its going to be very difficult to create a sidepot.  How about reraising a small amount, enough to re-open the betting - you never know he might push (ok he'd have to be very bad).  If he calls, we've made a bit.  A small v-bet on the turn might get a bit more, but it's going to be a struggle.  Maybe just pushing and hoping he puts you on a draw is best.  Incidentally this hand is a good illustration of how these poxy short stacks can cost you indirectly.

To byron, I don't think you can profitably openraise with any pair with a shortstack to act after you.  You just get reraised or called when you c-bet too often.  I will leave if there is a shortstack acting after me in my half of the table, unless the game is super easy.
 

I'm not really disagreeing with you, it's just you said 66 is tricky to play post flop OOP but I personally find it pretty easy, a lot easier than AA for example, admitedly because it's much easier to get away from of course. Just a minor point.

I dont like the flatcall because half the deck is scary on the turn, the shortstacks raise isn't enough to re-open the betting, so the origional raiser can only call on the flop (assuming you call)  and then ur gonna be shipping it into a dry sidepot on the turn and he would generally expect you to check away turns if u are on a draw and it comes a big ol blank.

Also raising here is perfectly ok, no idea whats going on about not raising just because its your first hand at the table/short stack behind. If you cant beat a shortstack at 50/1 when u got a pair , your in trouble.

the sb more than likely has a OP or over cards. i wouldnt be worried about giving free cards to the sb as a straight danger card wouldn't help him anyway.

you aren't worried about a danger card helping him, your worried about the card stopping him from stacking off.

but theres more chance of him stacking off by calling then pushing. push 100% auto fold, call gain equity if one of the 15 danger cards doesnt come. 

if ur opponent is stupid enough to stack off on a blank turn with a dry sidepot he is certainly stupid enuff to call a flop raise

after a thought, i decided on shoving. i was sure the sb had overpair and was gonna accomodate wiv a call, but after using his time bank, he folded.

the BB had  Kh Ks

i do like the idea of just calling the flop but the BB got in the way of the hand with his very short stack