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Title: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: kinboshi on October 17, 2007, 01:42:55 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7047244.stm

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Individuals can no longer be held responsible for obesity and government must act to stop Britain "sleepwalking" into a crisis, a report has concluded.

The largest ever UK study into obesity, backed by government and compiled by 250 experts, said excess weight was now the norm in our "obesogenic" society.

Dramatic and comprehensive action was required to stop the majority of us becoming obese by 2050, they said.

The government pledged to draw up a strategy to address the issue.

But the report authors admitted proof that any anti-obesity policy worked "was scant".

 ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: TightEnd on October 17, 2007, 01:46:11 PM
Mine is entirely down to me, my character,life experiences and my weaknesses

I don't agree with this report in one of its key findings which is that obesity is down to society not the individual.

Whilst yes people have sedentary lifestyles, there is a lot of fast food available and a lack of time etc it still, to my mind, a matter for the individual


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2007, 01:46:43 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7047244.stm

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Individuals can no longer be held responsible for obesity and government must act to stop Britain "sleepwalking" into a crisis, a report has concluded.

The largest ever UK study into obesity, backed by government and compiled by 250 experts, said excess weight was now the norm in our "obesogenic" society.

Dramatic and comprehensive action was required to stop the majority of us becoming obese by 2050, they said.

The government pledged to draw up a strategy to address the issue.

But the report authors admitted proof that any anti-obesity policy worked "was scant".

 ;carlocitrone;

I agree...the government makes people eat loads of junk food and is forcing them to be lazy slobs. I am also quite sure there is someone moving people's pie arm towards their mouth constantly.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 01:47:55 PM

PUT THE FORK DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE CAKE


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: TightEnd on October 17, 2007, 01:51:27 PM

PUT THE FORK DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE CAKE


Adam, whilst I don't really want to get involved in specifics it isn't as easy as that for a lot of people

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20030527-000010.html

gives one quick overview of some of the complications involved.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: lazaroonie on October 17, 2007, 01:52:36 PM
you can be guaranteed a new tax is on the way....



Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AndrewT on October 17, 2007, 01:55:41 PM
For almost the entire time humans have been on this planet, we've lived in an almost constant state of famine - not knowing when the next food will be found. This meant we developed an urge to eat as much as we can when food is available. Only relatively recently has food been so plentiful that we haven't had to hunt it/kill it/forage for it ourselves. Combine this with the fact that all that hunting/foraging was good exercise and that most people don't even do any manual labour at all anymore and it's no wonder that Britain is full of people who can only wonder at what their feet look like.

For experts to say that obesity is not the individual's fault is, frankly, mind-boggling, and is a further sign that the real threat to British society is the Government backed drive to absolve the population of responsibility for their actions.

The welfare state is there for those who try and fail at life, not for those who don't try.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 17, 2007, 02:10:31 PM
Admittedly there are some conditions that make losing weight a very hard thing to do, but for most people, a little willpower, excersise and a good diet will enable them to lose weight.

4 months before my 18th birthday I was just over 18 stone, on my birthday I was 11.5 stone.

Due to being free of Nicotine for over 12 weeks now I have put on a little weight, but by putting my mind to it I should be able to lose it again.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: matt674 on October 17, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
 ;iagree;

Its not my fault, i blame the local chinese / local indian / local cake shop / Mr Kipling / Neighbourhood ice cream man for all making food that makes me obese taste so nice!! :D


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Indestructable on October 17, 2007, 02:33:38 PM
My weakness is not so much the food, but lack of excercise. I spend most of my day sitting down ie in a car, at my desk and my outside interests include sitting in a cinema, theatre, sitting in front of my pc, playing poker etc.
i make a token gesture at excercise and the odd game of golf/squash but I have decided to bite the bullet and sign up for classes or a fitness trainer, basically some way of pushing me in the right direction.
Also to stop making excuses like I will wait until after my holiday or after christmas etc there is allways another excuse around the corner.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: matt674 on October 17, 2007, 02:36:10 PM
My weakness is not so much the food, but lack of excercise. I spend most of my day sitting down ie in a car, at my desk and my outside interests include sitting in a cinema, theatre, sitting in front of my pc, playing poker etc.
i make a token gesture at excercise and the odd game of golf/squash but I have decided to bite the bullet and sign up for classes or a fitness trainer, basically some way of pushing me in the right direction.
Also to stop making excuses like I will wait until after my holiday or after christmas etc there is allways another excuse around the corner.

you could always go on  tv game shows like "the krypton factor" and "gladiators" instead of "the weakest link" and "eggheads"!!

 ;whistle;


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 17, 2007, 02:42:02 PM
My weakness is not so much the food, but lack of excercise. I spend most of my day sitting down ie in a car, at my desk and my outside interests include sitting in a cinema, theatre, sitting in front of my pc, playing poker etc.
i make a token gesture at excercise and the odd game of golf/squash but I have decided to bite the bullet and sign up for classes or a fitness trainer, basically some way of pushing me in the right direction.
Also to stop making excuses like I will wait until after my holiday or after christmas etc there is allways another excuse around the corner.

you could always go on  tv game shows like "the krypton factor" and "gladiators" instead of "the weakest link" and "eggheads"!!

 ;whistle;

Now Ed on "Takeshi's Castle" or that new "Ninja Warrior" would be classic TV !


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Indestructable on October 17, 2007, 02:42:59 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2007, 02:45:47 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D

lol..but be honest..you wouldn't say no, would you?


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: MPOWER on October 17, 2007, 02:47:55 PM
it's not the individual's fault?

Who's fault is fat kids ?

Regards

M
 


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: byronkincaid on October 17, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
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4 months before my 18th birthday I was just over 18 stone, on my birthday I was 11.5 stone

Amphetamines?


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 17, 2007, 02:51:09 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D

There is a reason for that...


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AndrewT on October 17, 2007, 02:51:23 PM
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4 months before my 18th birthday I was just over 18 stone, on my birthday I was 11.5 stone

Amphetamines?

He just shaved the beard off - 6.5 stones right there.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 17, 2007, 02:52:15 PM
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4 months before my 18th birthday I was just over 18 stone, on my birthday I was 11.5 stone

Amphetamines?

No, high intake of Caffeine, very reduced Salt and virtually no fat intake.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 17, 2007, 02:53:02 PM
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4 months before my 18th birthday I was just over 18 stone, on my birthday I was 11.5 stone

Amphetamines?

He just shaved the beard off - 6.5 stones right there.

Behave, the Beard is only 2.24 stones.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Sark79 on October 17, 2007, 03:39:38 PM
;iagree;

Its not my fault, i blame the local chinese / local indian / local cake shop / Mr Kipling / Neighbourhood ice cream man for all making food that makes me obese taste so nice!! :D


Do monkeys eat fast food?





Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Longy on October 17, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
I am overweight and it is certainly my own fault, blaming it on how society is, is just a cop out.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Indestructable on October 17, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D

lol..but be honest..you wouldn't say no, would you?

No.  :D


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 17, 2007, 04:20:53 PM
willpower

I think this is the key word and whether you think people are born with a lack of it or simply choose not to utilise it.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Dingdell on October 17, 2007, 05:15:53 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D

You'd probably be the most famous celebrity on it!  :)


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: matt674 on October 17, 2007, 05:21:50 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D

You'd probably be the most famous celebrity on it!  :)

don't encourage him!! :D


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 17, 2007, 05:23:52 PM
I love takeshi's castle, but don't think my body would be up to it. Especilaly the rollers game.
At least you didn't mention Celebrity fat club.  :D

You'd probably be the least famous celebrity on it!  :)

FYP


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: celtic on October 17, 2007, 07:29:33 PM
What about the kids from under privilidged backgrounds whose parents cant afford fresh fruit, veg etc and rely heavily on ready meals / frozen dinners, frozen vegetables etc cos they are cheaper? Is it their fault?


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: raab11 on October 17, 2007, 07:31:17 PM
What about the kids from under privilidged backgrounds whose parents cant afford fresh fruit, veg etc and rely heavily on ready meals / frozen dinners, frozen vegetables etc cos they are cheaper? Is it their fault?

ready meals are NOT cheaper than fresh fruit and veg


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2007, 07:40:37 PM
What about the kids from under privilidged backgrounds whose parents cant afford fresh fruit, veg etc and rely heavily on ready meals / frozen dinners, frozen vegetables etc cos they are cheaper? Is it their fault?

those parents are lazy arse morons who quite obviously don't comprehend the concept of "looking at the prices on the box". Fresh food is cheaper and always has been.

Blah, that silly "but some people don't have enough money to buy fresh" excuse is doing my head in.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Colchester Kev on October 17, 2007, 07:46:01 PM
It aint rocket science, although it took me a lot of years to realise ... But, I have worked out that if i eat pies and chips and cakes, I put weight on ... If i dont eat them, I lose weight. It ereally is that simple.

And for once I agree with Adam, PUT DOWN THE FORK AND STEP AWAY FROM THE CAKE !! :)


Or how about the obese bloke that went to the doctors and asked for an operation to help him lose weight ... The doc chopped off his legs !!   The patient asked how that will make him lose weight ??  The Doc says, it will stop you walking to the bloody fridge !!


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: celtic on October 17, 2007, 07:53:41 PM
fresh veg ( and meat or fish to go with it) cheaper than ready meals?????

no chance


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 07:55:48 PM
definitely

familiy of 4
weeks worth of carrots, under £1
weeks worth of spuds, under £1
weeks worth of broccoli, under £1

chicken for 3 meals £5
mince for 1 meal £1

etc


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Colchester Kev on October 17, 2007, 07:59:42 PM
definitely

familiy of 4
weeks worth of carrots, under £1
weeks worth of spuds, under £1
weeks worth of broccoli, under £1

chicken for 3 meals £5
mince for 1 meal £1

etc


LMAO ... when was the last time you went shopping  !!!

A weeks worth ... soz mate, you are miles off with that one.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: celtic on October 17, 2007, 08:01:16 PM
weeks worth of all that, mmmmmmm that would be FRESH by day 6/7

what about the meat / fish to go with it?

week full of frozen food under a tenner for family of 4.

Probably £30 - £40 for proper dinners.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 08:01:23 PM
i shop every week for MY familiy Kev, and I'm spot on

and you freeze the meat the day you buy it, so of course it's fresh when you eat it


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: celtic on October 17, 2007, 08:03:25 PM
every week mate, and I'm spot on


where was the last place you went shopping? Happy Shopper?


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
morrisons or asda, depends on traffic in town


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Colchester Kev on October 17, 2007, 08:06:24 PM
i shop every week for MY familiy Kev, and I'm spot on

and you freeze the meat the day you buy it, so of course it's fresh when you eat it

Mate you must have 1 carrot and one spud each, cos you cannot feed a family of 4 with veg for a week for £3 quid.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 08:07:14 PM
kids are quite small, I'll grant you


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2007, 08:07:56 PM
i shop every week for MY familiy Kev, and I'm spot on

and you freeze the meat the day you buy it, so of course it's fresh when you eat it

Mate you must have 1 carrot and one spud each, cos you cannot feed a family of 4 with veg for a week for £3 quid.

but around 20£ is feasible..food only of course.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: b4matt on October 17, 2007, 08:45:24 PM
i'm just big boned...


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: The_nun on October 17, 2007, 08:47:26 PM
cough cough..


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: b4matt on October 17, 2007, 08:57:31 PM
cough cough..

oooooh r u ok? thats a nasty cough...i have some vics, shall i rub some on your chest...?x


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: byronkincaid on October 17, 2007, 09:51:58 PM
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chicken for 3 meals £5

Is cheap chicken OK to eat? Pumped full of antibiotics, free range chickens live in their own shit packed into huge barns, have seen at least 2 TV shows about this but organic chicken is now £10 for 2 breasts in my local Tescos.

Asked this on another forum and got laughed at "of course it's fine to eat"  :dontask:


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 10:01:38 PM
mainly, it's that cheap because its bogof most of the time



Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: kinboshi on October 17, 2007, 10:43:12 PM
Whole medium chicken is £2.99 in Asda.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 17, 2007, 11:06:41 PM
a chicken that can read your fortune for under £3.

bargain


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: kinboshi on October 17, 2007, 11:07:32 PM
a chicken that can read your fortune for under £3.

bargain

I knew you'd say that.
































My chicken told me.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Snatiramas on October 18, 2007, 07:23:55 AM
Who the effin hell has the right to use the word fault in this thread.............FAULT...........like somebody is guilty of something

fault noun 1 a weakness or failing in character

please if anybody can prove to me I have a weakness or failing in character that is any bigger than their own they are welcome to come and talk to me about it and I will show them why it is THEIR FAULT that my fist is in their face.

Society continues down this road of turning us all into politically correct judgemental bar stewards. Don't fall into it

Kind regards


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 18, 2007, 08:17:39 AM
bit on the aggressive side there.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: byronkincaid on October 18, 2007, 10:59:06 AM
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I will show them why it is THEIR FAULT that my fist is in their face

wow, you must be pretty tough for a fat guy!
:)


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AndrewT on October 18, 2007, 11:17:57 AM
bit on the aggressive side there.

I blame all the additives in his takeaway curries.


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: celtic on October 18, 2007, 11:42:39 AM
Phil Cooklin aggresive???????? I've seen it all now!!!!!!

Go on Phil!


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 18, 2007, 01:18:31 PM
So it's -

"Phat" = Good

"Fat" = Bad


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: AdamM on October 18, 2007, 01:27:52 PM
so is snat going to be giving out phat lips or fat lips?


Title: Re: [OT] Obesity - it's not the individual's fault?
Post by: Bainn on October 18, 2007, 01:31:17 PM
so is snat going to be giving out phat lips or fat lips?

 ;carlocitrone;