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Mr Rookie sir... personally I would not have played this hand. I absolutely hate looking down and finding a small pocket pair (when I'm playing poker that is....)

Always found it one of the hardest hands to play.

But then again, maybe that's why I'm not quite up there mixing it with the pros....

i would never play this hand as strongly as this, for me it's a straight choice:-

fold.....it only cost 600, no probs
call......try to flop the set or outplay him on the flop (my favourite, though depends on the amount of any raise), i check call most bets on the flop here (scares the bejesus out of most players :D)

easy pass for me
with 2,2 I might get a late position first eaise in or limp into a family pot for a set but I'm almost never calling a raise or re raising with them. but then I'm a rock and you're a maniac.

it's an easy pass for me, but then I'm not as aggressive as Brian


if you accept he doesn't want to pass to a button raise, which could be any handl

I think a raise to 10k is far far more preferable to a flat call if you IGNORE THE PASS..discuss

so are you going all in on any flop if the guy calls your raise?

any rag flop, probably


maybe

what was the turn?
i call the original raise, flat call a bet (other than a huge one) on the flop, if a bigger card hits the turn he's gonna slow down, then i push.
If the turn is a J Q or K he will fold.
That is what i meant by outplaying him on the flop

Sorry to be different but I think you've made quite a good move here. I really cant see how he's managed to call with A10!

He's announced "let's gamble" so I guess he read you correctly for an underpair but why couldn't you have had AQ or AK?

Ok in hindsight your move with 22 was maybe a little too risky but it still doesn't explain how the hell he made such a good call.

I guess some of it is who you make the move against and this guy was obviously good enough to call in the right spot. If you'd turned over AK though he'd have looked silly.

Mate, the truth is you should start playing real hands - like 2 3 of spades!  8)

what was the turn?
i call the original raise, flat call a bet (other than a huge one) on the flop, if a bigger card hits the turn he's gonna slow down, then i push.
If the turn is a J Q or K he will fold.
That is what i meant by outplaying him on the flop

Rookie says "Mick", it's Mick McCloskey. How on earth he makes that call with A-T I don't know!

As for Rookie, I just can't get over a Bracelet Winner - American at that - actually having the humility to seek hand advice on here, & admitting he MAY have played it wrong. Top bloke. Needs to wear socks though.

I know this guy moves, or calls w/ any part of the board post flop, he is getting short as I am, I am relly tring to find a way to get him off any non-premium hand pre-flop, that is how I was thinking at the time, if he has the goods than good luck to him the rest of the way.

fold!

growl and stare at the raiser, mutter something about this being the last time he messes with your blinds and tell him you hate laying down a big hand like this. - then muck... and continue to muck with similar holdings until you find a proper hand with which to go to war.


remember its all about  4c 7d

I like the move and indeed you were ahead. Calling is absolutely out of the question in my opinion you are clearly pot commited, a reraise does look to be a stronger move but the opponent must realise you will commit to any flop. So in short any move you make here commits you for all your chips. With 22 this not a situation I would want to be in . So I think a fold here and pray for a better opportunity , you still have enough to make people pass and nick some blinds and you are coming into blind stealing territory position wise.
Still max kudos for the move, the move of a aggressive champion :)up . I have no idea where he found a call from with A 10 .

just my thoughts

Call is not an option.

Folding is an option but i don't like it.

Raise, this is my preferd option, the question is how much.

Against a respnable player i move in, so make it a 15k bet into a 8k pot and let him decide if he wants to continue, this is still a big enough bet to get him to lay down (another reason for doing this, i don't want to wait a round and be in the situation when i have 17k and someone has raised 6k and now i can't get them to pass)

Against a good opponent i make it 10k more, give him 2-1 on the call to see a flop, he will then realise you are dying for action and have to pass a good hand.

How you were called by AT here is beyond me, i think it is a horrible call, risking your life on AT to a re-raise is pure madness. He was probably praying you just had a small pair. If you turn over AJ AQ AK he is in a world of pain and lets face it those are the 3 aces you are re-raising with in this spot.


You were unlucky you ran into a bad call and then lost the 50-50, that is poker as they say.

If he had laid down AT then you would have been on 25k and have a chance to steal a little without cripling yourself, a well timed move, just a pity the raiser never got sent the script.

Everyone's saying calling is not an option but i don't understand why a stop n go isn't a good move here. I hate being stopped and goed, if you can tell me some way around it I'll be very grateful.

Call is not an option.

Folding is an option but i don't like it.

Raise, this is my preferd option, the question is how much.

Against a respnable player i move in, so make it a 15k bet into a 8k pot and let him decide if he wants to continue, this is still a big enough bet to get him to lay down (another reason for doing this, i don't want to wait a round and be in the situation when i have 17k and someone has raised 6k and now i can't get them to pass)

Against a good opponent i make it 10k more, give him 2-1 on the call to see a flop, he will then realise you are dying for action and have to pass a good hand.

How you were called by AT here is beyond me, i think it is a horrible call, risking your life on AT to a re-raise is pure madness. He was probably praying you just had a small pair. If you turn over AJ AQ AK he is in a world of pain and lets face it those are the 3 aces you are re-raising with in this spot.


You were unlucky you ran into a bad call and then lost the 50-50, that is poker as they say.

If he had laid down AT then you would have been on 25k and have a chance to steal a little without cripling yourself, a well timed move, just a pity the raiser never got sent the script.

Flushy why do you think it was a terrible call with Ace 10 ? Maybe he deserves credit for putting him on a low pair?

You are not short enough for a stop and go to be optimal.

Say for example he raised with J8s, to steal the blinds, now the flop comes J83, 873, J96 or any combination of that sort of flop, you move in and he is calling. If you raise pre flop you take the pot away from J8.

Call is not an option.

Folding is an option but i don't like it.

Raise, this is my preferd option, the question is how much.

Against a respnable player i move in, so make it a 15k bet into a 8k pot and let him decide if he wants to continue, this is still a big enough bet to get him to lay down (another reason for doing this, i don't want to wait a round and be in the situation when i have 17k and someone has raised 6k and now i can't get them to pass)

Against a good opponent i make it 10k more, give him 2-1 on the call to see a flop, he will then realise you are dying for action and have to pass a good hand.

well said, thanks for the opinion

How you were called by AT here is beyond me, i think it is a horrible call, risking your life on AT to a re-raise is pure madness. He was probably praying you just had a small pair. If you turn over AJ AQ AK he is in a world of pain and lets face it those are the 3 aces you are re-raising with in this spot.


You were unlucky you ran into a bad call and then lost the 50-50, that is poker as they say.

If he had laid down AT then you would have been on 25k and have a chance to steal a little without cripling yourself, a well timed move, just a pity the raiser never got sent the script.

Flushy why do you think it was a terrible call with Ace 10 ? Maybe he deserves credit for putting him on a low pair?

No noubt he put Brian on a 'range'

This range would have included PP's from QQ-22, although he knows it's more likley the 88-QQ. Also the face aces, AK AQ AJ. It drives me mad when players say "i put you on a small pair" because the small pair is played the same as AK AQ AJ here, i.e. all in.

So to call with AT, you are hoping it's the small pair rather than the pair, and i can't name many world class players calling off thier stacks hooping that they are just a slight dog.

An arguement could be made that if you know a player well you may know he is liable to push back with A9/A8 etc, however Brian said he had been playing tight and i don't think he has much of a reputation in Ireland given that i don't think he has played there before!!

mmmm...Obviously not knowing whats comin on the flop, I'd have just called to see what the flop brought me and if there wasn't a  2 then i'd have just check,checked all the way but if he/she had called after the flop,turn or river then i'd have folded. But please don't take any advise from me, believe me..I'm more of a rookie than you. Goodluck on sunday m8.      TJ

But Rookie, WHATS THE NEWS FROM THE €400 Final?

OK so he knew who you were, but you had been playing tight, so surely he must have taken this into account. Having said that you say you were playing tight, but is that tight or is it "rookie tight"??

Right move by you, wrong call by him.

Brian please bring us back another Gem of a hand to discuss.

****FISH ALERT*****

Although I'm up against the big guns here, I really don't understand the view that a re-raise is the answer. My thinking is:

1. A fold is fine - but you need to win a hand in the next orbit and a half or you are the target for everyone;

2. A call with a view to folding unless you hit your set is awful. The odds just aren't there to try for a 7.5 to 1 shot;

3.A call intending to outplay him after the flop out of position with next to nothing when you think he's good? No thanks.

3. A call intending a stop and go....hmmmm......need to do some more research/thinking about this one, but my gut feel is that if he's on a steal he has two cards to hit on the flop against


your one, and all his are better than yours. In addition, no-one has mentioned the possibility of the BB having a hand worth a call when he's getting good odds;



thanks for the post , well done

4.A re-raise to 10k/11k/12.5k? Who are you kidding with a 19k stack? You are pot-committed surely? He's getting 3 to 1 at 10k which is very tempting unless he puts you on premium cards only (and I think news of the WSOP will have reached Eire by now.......). I think all the money is going in either pre-flop or on the flop. Given that, an all in is surely preferable?

In summary, I think folding and praying for a genuine big hand is ok, as is the all-in. It's a toss up.

Flame away, tell me why I'm an idiot, I want to learn!

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The reason for raising less than al-in is to give the impression of a much stronger hand, everyone knows if you raise to 10k it's as good as all in, however it says 'i have a hand, i want you in the pot'

Tikay,

Ty.  I was more nervous about posting this than you would believe!

 My 'fish alert' comment was not false modesty, unfortunately.

12bb

But not when you are clearly pot committed.....I think we are into the area of double-double-counterdouble-bluffs here as to whether a smaller raise means more strenghth or less.

 It all depends on your read of the other person. I remain convinced this is a 'sh*t or bust' situation. If you are in, you are in for your whole stack at some point. If you don't fancy that, fold.

12bb

PS Can anyone explain (because I can't) why I'm arguing with a bracelet holder and all the big guns on this site.......other than to say I'm an obstinate sod  >:?

Some people don't know when they're beaten  :hello:

flushie i know and agree with what you are saying but do you think that if the head case that called with A10 wouldnt call the raise or even go over the top.

You never know, its like a stop and go, it probably wont make much diffrence, but it just might....those times it does increase the edge of a winning player that little bit more.

"head case". Mick McCluskey a head case. Absolutely not. Ahem.

well i might as well throw in my views.

personally, i don't see the point of a 12k raise. you and he both know your pot committed, might as well just move all-in.

But what about a little minimum raise? another four thousand chips in would make him think. building the pot or just trying to re-steal without risking too many chips? depends on your image really. If he reraises then you still have the option of folding, sure 10k left isnt much but the blinds have just gone round so you have some time. If he calls then it makes it easier for him to fold on the flop if he misses (unlikely but easier) but it also gives you some chance of getting away if the flop looks nasty. Of course you'd prefer him to fold, and although an extra 4k to put in to call doesnt seem much compared to the pot, it is a third of his remaining stack, so it would depend on his views on the building or restealing question. its easier to keep playing with 13k than 9k.

Its worked for me at the end of a few tournies, although my upper limit is $50 really (unless i'm feeling particularly lucky), so it might not apply.

however, i agree with a fair few other people, i'd grab my balls and move all-in.

"head case". Mick McCluskey a head case. Absolutely not. Ahem.

head case is a good educated player, but we all make a mistake and very every so often, the real questioon is how do i get him to pays and the answer may be nothing but the debate is great

i used the term loosely and i apologise. he is a good player the point i was trying to make is that it was a slightly mad call with the A10. i was just trying to point out that i dint think he actually would of folded to a reraise.

oops i hope i havent offended mr McClusky or anybody else with that statement  :blonde:

Nice name!!!

Still not sure i like the call, lol.

Nice one Mr. H. Case!

Would a smaller raise have been more effective in persuading you that you were facing a big hand rather than a re-steal? Or were you calling anyway?

To me this is the heart of blonde, I dont care if I ever sound or look stupid to anyone ..... but the point is experience and knowledge is the source of power 8)

Please, I want to see more posts, I want everyone to post something, there is no wrong answer

i used the term loosely and i apologise. he is a good player the point i was trying to make is that it was a slightly mad call with the A10. i was just trying to point out that i dint think he actually would of folded to a reraise.

oops i hope i havent offended mr McClusky or anybody else with that statement  :blonde:

I am just glad i am not the one who called him a headcase!!!!  :D :D :D :D