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Title: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: jjandellis on February 26, 2008, 07:08:16 PM OK, $109 EPT Sat....
Blinds 10/20, very first hand Button Raises to $80 On the SB You look down at Qc Qh and reraise to 240 BB gets out of the way Button shoves all in What do you do? (Starting stack is 1500) Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: NoflopsHomer on February 26, 2008, 07:21:43 PM Insta-call.
Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: GlasgowBandit on February 26, 2008, 07:22:50 PM Call he has JJ.
AK at best. Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: TightEnd on February 26, 2008, 07:24:07 PM floppy, insta call?
what sort of range have you got him on to insta call, beyond AA/KK and AK? Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: stewart on February 26, 2008, 07:32:38 PM if its a rebuy i call if its a freezeout i pass min he has is ak you can get away from this and find a better spot no need to go broke here
Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: NoflopsHomer on February 26, 2008, 07:41:24 PM floppy, insta call? what sort of range have you got him on to insta call, beyond AA/KK and AK? He has AK at best surely. Even in a $109 sat there are donks pushing with this and much much worse, better to gamble now against this unknown player looking at the probably good side of a coinflip at worst now than going against a good player later. If you lose, you can always play another... Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: Hairydude on February 26, 2008, 07:45:00 PM if its a rebuy i call if its a freezeout i pass min he has is ak you can get away from this and find a better spot no need to go broke here ;iagree; Without any information on the player you need to assume he has one of 4 holdings- JJ KK AA or AK, only 1 of which you are in a desirable position so I wait for a better spot- obviously he could be a complete donk but if you have no information of this I dont see how you can call Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: Geo the Sarge on February 26, 2008, 08:01:43 PM So would those of you that are choosing to fold actually push as the villain with KK/AA/AK?
not knocking, just asking and would like to hear reasons why. Geo Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: Hairydude on February 26, 2008, 08:16:48 PM So would those of you that are choosing to fold actually push as the villain with KK/AA/AK? not knocking, just asking and would like to hear reasons why. Geo In this situation; Raise, Reraise, reraise all in I do push (especially online) as you do get called a high percentage of the time, if I'm honest Preflop is probably the biggest downside of my game though. I usually push AA KK as you are getting called a lot of the time-I think a further reraise looks even more fishy than an all in. With AK(which I am hopeless at playing) I push as I expect a race- I dont like reraising further only to get called and miss the flop Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: Longy on February 26, 2008, 08:29:37 PM This is the spot where the beauty of online databases comes into play imo. When this exact situation used to come up in sngs, I used to sharkscope the player and if he was a losing player i would get it in but if not i would pass.
Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: Geo the Sarge on February 26, 2008, 08:57:39 PM So would those of you that are choosing to fold actually push as the villain with KK/AA/AK? not knocking, just asking and would like to hear reasons why. Geo In this situation; Raise, Reraise, reraise all in I do push (especially online) as you do get called a high percentage of the time, if I'm honest Preflop is probably the biggest downside of my game though. I usually push AA KK as you are getting called a lot of the time-I think a further reraise looks even more fishy than an all in. With AK(which I am hopeless at playing) I push as I expect a race- I dont like reraising further only to get called and miss the flop This is the spot where the beauty of online databases comes into play imo. When this exact situation used to come up in sngs, I used to sharkscope the player and if he was a losing player i would get it in but if not i would pass. [/quote/] Thanks guys, reason I asked is that I had similar recently against a guy who was a solid player and I was stunned when I raised early in a tourney (7k starting stack)and he pushed all in with AA. Never got a chance to ask him why. Geo Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: AlexMartin on February 27, 2008, 09:41:35 AM a) was it a rebuy, easy call if it is. f/o given its the first hand and people are dumb, i still call.
b) far more combos of AK than AA/KK and ur a 57% fave over the most likely holding. Title: Re: Very First Hand of a Tourney Post by: LuckyLloyd on February 27, 2008, 01:01:26 PM callcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcallcall
Talk of passing to this line 75BBs deep in the first hand is ABSURD!! |