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A couple of weeks ago I visited my Dad and he surprisingly told me that the world is supposed to end on 21 December 2001.  After laughing at him I asked him why and he spouted some nonsense about Nostradamus and the Mayan calendar and something about Planet X, and told me to go and look it up on google.

Although it seemed ridiculous I also found it quite interesting so I decided to do some research of my own, and whilst I'm not sure that I can bring myself to believe something like that there seems to be quite a lot of evidence to back it up.  Some think that 2012 will bring the end of the world, WIII, or even a human evolutionary advancement.  Just wondering if you guys have heard of any of this before, or what you think?

The Mayan Calender 

The Mayans were an intelligent culture, quite similar to the Egyptians in some respects, who once lived in Central America.  They were very interested in time and calendars, and their calendar system is in fact more accurate than the one we use today.  Their system used three calendars.  Two of these were short calendars that represented days and dates quite similarly to the Gregorian Calendar.  The third calendar is called The Long Count.  The Long Count started close to 5000 years ago, and this 5000 cycle of the Long Count Calendar us due to end on 21st December 2012...

The Mayans also believe that there have been four of these large cycles previous to the current era.  In the first animals roamed the Earth but they didn't please God and were destroyed.  In the second and third inferior types of humans were created but these didn't please God either and were destroyed.  This is one of the reasons some think that 2012 will not bring a disaster, but will instead bring some kind of human advancement or evolutionary process, and not WIII or the end of the world.

Galactic Alignment

On 21st December 2012 an event which takes place only every 25,000 years is going to happen.  The Sun and the Earth will be in perfect alignment with the centre of our Galaxy the Milky Way (which is expected be a black hole incidentally). 

Nostradamus Prophecies

Over the years Nostradamus has gained quite a reputation for prophecising many wars, disasters, and deaths throughout History.  Some of the events he's supposed to have foretold include; Adolf Hitler, 9/11, Napoleon, Princess Diana's death, the Great Fire of London, to name a few.

"From the deepest part of Western Europe
A young child will be born to poor people
Who will by his speech seduce a great multitude,
His reputation will increase in the Kingdom of the East”

This is one of his predictions from the rise of what he described as the 2nd Antichrist.  He predicted three Antichrists altogether.  The 1st is suspected to be Napoleon, the 2nd Adolf Hitler, and the third is supposed to rise when the West and East go to war, which becomes WWWIII.  Just before the war there will be a massive natural disaster which will impact the entire world, causing devastating loss and destruction. In many of his predictions there are anagrams and various numerological codes which have been used by Nostradamus scholars to predict that these events are going to happen over the next 1-20 years.  A big clue is that towards this time there will be a big increase in the frequency and intensity of disasters such as earthquakes and tsunamis  But then again, Nostradamus' prophecies have only ever come true before in hindsight. 

Global Pole Shift

Over the years it has been suggested that the Earth's magnetic poles have not always been in the same place, and in order to maintain stability it must shift every 25,000 years or so.  Albert Einstein even suggested that this was the case, and many scientists believe that we are well overdue a pole shift.  If this were to happen it would change life on Earth forever.  Some say it could happen slowly.  Gradually the poles will begin to shift, and eventually some places currently in the Artic will have a tropical climate, and previously tropical climates will be in subzero temperatures.  Most suggest however that it will be a sudden change, which would cause a global catastrophe destroying many cities and producing many natural disasters and obviously severe weather conditions.

Planet X

Since the early 1900s it has been suggested that there is a theoretical object in a large elliptical orbit around the sun.  There are several noted discrepancies in the orbit of several planets in out solar system that some scientists claim can only be caused by an extremely large object in this predicted orbit.  It is theorised that the cycle of this "Planet X" orbit lasts 3600 years, and that other disasters on Earth can be linked to this objects position in the solar system.  It is suggest that Planet X will re-enter out solar system some time in 2009-2012 and that this might possible cause the pole shift mentioned earlier.


I could go on and on forever about this there are so many things relating to it..  The Bible makes references, as does Merlin, and numerous other supposed "seers" throughout history.  Some even describe "men flying in giant metal birds" which on its own is enough to make you wonder.  Web Bot, something invented to try and predict changes in the stock market by using the internet and is supposed to have predicted 9/11 has predicted something major occurring in 2012.  It's all a little spooky load of nonsense really...

A couple of weeks ago I visited my Dad and he surprisingly told me that the world is supposed to end on 21 December 2001. 

Lol, edited  ;nana;

Nostradamus also said that a man named MADAS would end the world. That's 'Sadam' backwards.

We know what happened there.

gg

Nostradamus also said that a man named MADAS would end the world. That's 'Sadam' backwards.

We know what happened there.

gg

I think the name he refers to is MABUS which some have taken to mean Sadam.  Some also think it could mean George Bush, Barack Obama, Osama Bin Laden, or a leader from the East not yet known to us.  

Yes, because all those names sound a lot like MABUS. It makes perfect sense really....in fact it's quite scary how similar it is.

I shall call Nostradamus "Frank" from now on...it's close enough and I'm sure he wouldn't mind...in fact, I shall call everybody quoting him Frank from now on, I'm bound to be right sooner or later.

My Grandads name is Frank,never heard him quote Nostradamus though. ;)

Yes, because all those names sound a lot like MABUS. It makes perfect sense really....in fact it's quite scary how similar it is.

I shall call Nostradamus "Frank" from now on...it's close enough and I'm sure he wouldn't mind...in fact, I shall call everybody quoting him Frank from now on, I'm bound to be right sooner or later.

Did he predict Dewi's "Fry-up" thread?

It's surprising how many names he gets right actually.  This is a prediction about the death of Princess Diana:  

The last son of the man with the Prophet’s name (Mohammed)
Will bring Diana to her day of rest.
At a distance they wander in frenetic grief
Delivering a great people from ruin.’

Rule # 1. If people believe tosh like this,. NEVER try to argue with them. You cannot win, they grab hold of these things & it captures their imaginatioin completely.

It's precisely the same mindset as "Online poker is rigged".

Each to their own.

Rule # 1. If people believe tosh like this,. NEVER try to argue with them. You cannot win, they grab hold of these things & it captures their imaginatioin completely.

It's precisely the same mindset as "Online poker is rigged".

ah well, at least we all get a chance to go to the olympics before that fateful day.

The Mayans used to sacrifice people in order for their crops to grow, rain to fall, and to ensure the sun rose in the morning.

They got completely wrong as well.

We could give that a shot though...starting with the Crow

I agree with boldie(sigh)

I got a book out from the library about him, probably about 8 years ago now,

Theres a book about boldie!!!!!!?

yep, full of predictions I made...I am hoping to start up a cult soon...one where there's no annoying kids allowed, no Christmas and it's Boxing day every day of the year.

Boldie, there is no doubt.  You are a cult.

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-  The Mayans (who were wrong about a lot of things, but even more accurate about calendars than we are) have ended their calendar on 21st Dec 2012.  Why?  We don't know, but a lot of other cycles in their calendars are like ours, related to the goings on in the heavens.  Some think the end of the long count is merely counting down to the galactic alignment, but then what is the significance of counting in 5000 year cycles?
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All calendars are man made, every number in all of them is an artificial construct.

A 5000 year cycle is no more significant than a 1000 year cycle or a 100 year cycle.

What they all do have in common is that groups have linked significant events to all of them, all the time, throughout history - purely based on the fact that they're particularly large and round numbers. :D :D :D :D :D

Yes...but:

A day = a cycle of the Earth's rotation.
A month (roughly) = A cycle of the moon around the Earth.
A year = a cycle of the Earth's rotation around the Sun.

Ok, we get the numbers to fit and add in some units to make time keeping easier, but it's all based on astrological events.  In fact the only units we make up are small ones.  So a 5000 year cycle probably has some significance.

Lol.

We are doomed. Spend all your money, quick.

has this got something to do with why it's getting harder to get a mortgage? the banks don't want to lend on a 25 year term to people who'll be dead in 4

Yes...but:

A day = a cycle of the Earth's rotation.
A month (roughly) = A cycle of the moon around the Earth.
A year = a cycle of the Earth's rotation around the Sun.

Ok, we get the numbers to fit and add in some units to make time keeping easier, but it's all based on astrological events.  In fact the only units we make up are small ones.  So a 5000 year cycle probably has some significance.

Wikipedia has a good article about time under the definition for second which shows how artificial time is - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second)

But roughly speaking our way of measuring time has always been essentially based on trying to find something in nature which is so uniform, predictable and measurable that we can use it as a base unit.

So when you say that -  "A year = a cycle of the Earth's rotation around the Sun." - that is precisely the right way round, the earth going around the sun has absolutely no significance in any way other than what we assign to it. Our definition of time has arisen out of various historical imperatives, but if things had gone differently we would be using other measurements instead - and every 100, 1000 or 5000 of them would have groups of people believing that they were significant.

All of this fails to tell me why my toast always land butter side down. :(

I expect it's because Nostadamus predicted it. In code, of course.

-  On 21st December 2012 there will be an alignment of the Sun, the Earth, and the centre of our galaxy which only happens once every 25,000 years.  No one has been around long enough to see what, if anything happens when this event occurs.

Some think the end of the long count is merely counting down to the galactic alignment

- According to many scientists and even Einstein himself, the Earth is well overdue a global pole shift.  In fact, scientists have even proven that it has happened before!  Some even suggest that this is how Atlantis came to be lost.  Could it be related to the alignment of the galaxy?

ldo what else would it be? I thought you were a science teacher how can you of all people get roped into this tosh?

Given that the earth is older than 25k years i am guessing it won't be the end of the world....


ldo what else would it be? I thought you were a science teacher how can you of all people get roped into this tosh?


Yes its quite a well known fact the poles have switched before, and it will happen again, it however will not end the world.....and it certainly can't sink a city....i would expect it has fuck all to do with the alignment of the galaxy.

Erm...she's a music teacher Flushy...

"Go back to ancient times and everyone thought the world was flat, and when it was suggested otherwise everyone cried out with laughter at this "ridiculous" theory.  Why?  Because it was something that to begin with their minds just couldn't comprehend.  Personally I think it is very small-minded to assume that current science is all there is and to dismiss things that don't seem possible as ridiculous.  Not so long ago we didn't even know that particles were made up of atoms so just imagine what we might discover in the future. "  

I think you are fighting a losing battle on this subject here Pocketlady. I believe in keeping an open mind to any theory and not to scoff at any outrageous assumptions.

What is evident is that in the last millennium the human race has evolved quicker than ever and it took WW1 to start that.  With all the human evolving intelligence has also brought more evil into the world, therefore, the predictions of 2012 could very well come true!

On a personal note, I am considered being a bit scatty at times so you can scoff at me as much as you like, I am used to it!

Oh boy, I didn't even notice the "They all thought the earth was flat"argument...it's a beaut..mainly because it's collosally wrong. Nobody ever thought the earth was flat...I really wish they would stop saying that in schools.

Almost every year is predicted by someone somewhere to be the end of the world. I can remember a number of predicted doomsdays coming and going in the last 10 -15 years in particular. I would expect the 2012 prediction to go the same way.

If anyone fancies a bet on the world ending in 2012 (or any other year) I am happy to lay at any price u want if you wish to ship me your stake. ;)

I expect it's because Nostadamus predicted it. In code, of course.

i just thought barack obama is an anogram for BOMB AMERICA

Erm...she's a music teacher Flushy...

Ah ok i dunno where i got science from! At least i can rest easy though that this won't be taught to kids in her school now!

Boldie, I am happy to admit that yes, the interpretations of his quatrains are often altered and twisted to fit to historical events. And from what you've said about the Diana prediction I posted, yes you are right.  I've actually put quite a few of the quatrains through a translator (admittedly not that one...whoops), mainly the ones supposedly to do with our future,  because I knew a lot of them would be twisted to fit, and some of them have been and some haven't.  But the trouble is that all of the prophecies were left undated which means that people are going to have to guess as to when these things happened/are going to happen, and very often they are wrong, but that does not mean that they will never be right.

What is evident is that in the last millennium the human race has evolved quicker than ever and it took WW1 to start that.  With all the human evolving intelligence has also brought more evil into the world, therefore, the predictions of 2012 could very well come true!

On a personal note, I am considered being a bit scatty at times so you can scoff at me as much as you like, I am used to it!

Scoff : The human race has not evolved a significant amount during the last 100 years. Evolution is a process of random mutation and natural selection that takes millions of years to take effect.

We have advanced our technology, and are perhaps more enlightened as a result. However, on a base level, behind a veil of ignorance, I don't believe we're significantly more intelligent than those who went before us.

You are correct in saying "We have advanced our technology, and are perhaps more enlightened as a result."  You have put this more eloquently than I did, I should not have used the word 'evolved'. We are not more intelligent than those before us it is through education for all that we have advanced.

When I said scoff, I was referring to how some people on this forum are dismissing people's theories as rubbish.

Indeed, it IS Mrs Jam, my sincere apologies & grovelness.

Just been ticked off by her Daughter, via PM, sigh.

Sorry MRS Jam!

Ticked of for getting the wrong sex and not because you have your own opinon I hasten to add lol.   Anyhoo, I love ticking of my lil Mr Kendall, it's that dominant aspect you know .......    rotflmfao

Now, where was we ... ah yes, talking about Quantum Leaps I believe   ;)

Scoff : The human race has not evolved a significant amount during the last 100 years. Evolution is a process of random mutation and natural selection that takes millions of years to take effect.

We have advanced our technology, and are perhaps more enlightened as a result. However, on a base level, behind a veil of ignorance, I don't believe we're significantly more intelligent than those who went before us.

The human brain has evolved significantly in the past 100 years though surely?..have 10,000 years of nothing but bows, arrows, candles and huge catapults but since electricity and shit look how far with come in the past 100 years in comparison to virtually fuck all happening in the thousands of years previously.

Imagine the human brain as a line of sharkscope and for thouands or years were grinding a slow profit at $5sng's then we win a £5kHU match, that HU match is the last hundred years.

Unless of course folk were just lazy and didnt want a technological revolution because they were having too much fun sleeping with their cousins whilst drinking gin and stoning 8 year olds to death for doing algebra!

I highly doubt that the human brain has evolved a lot in 100 years, firstly because 100 years is such a small space of time that it seems unlikely that within 2 gernerations, were gonna see massive evolutionary advances in the phsyical form.

There is never going to be a linear advancement of learning/technology, and your evidence of evidence is merely a reaction to any advances made in the non-cranial spheres.

As for the rest of the thread, I find it amusing that  people get attached to drunks from many centuries ago being able to predict the future. One of two things will happen:

a) our esteemed future-predicter is right, and we will all die in 2012
b) he is wrong, and we wont

if a is the case, then there is no point worrying about it, and if b is the case, then there is no point worrying about it.

now i understand that back in them days folk were a bit preoccupied with throwing shit out of the window and plague and stuff but them organisers have feature like you put in a time and what you're gonna be doing and it flashes up in advanced so you dont forget!!!!

but it didnt mater cos we were all too busy having inter family relations and beating up french people.

Indeed, it IS Mrs Jam, my sincere apologies & grovelness.

Just been ticked off by her Daughter, via PM, sigh.

Sorry MRS Jam!

Apologies accepted Tikay, I go under many aliases.  Just think when the aliens come and whip you up in their flying saucers they might let you see their flight mechanisms; you may find it as interesting as train engines!  rotflmfao

You sure do. I thought your alias was "tank" or similar, no?

Many people love fatalistic premonitions.  Life (and the existence of the universe) is beyond their understanding that there must be something mystical and supernatural causing events, because it is beyond their personal incredulity that everything in the universe has just 'happened' - it must have a designer and an ultimate goal.  Without this goal, they feel as though they are worthless and insignificant.  It is actually very egocentric view to think that life, the earth and the universe is here for humankind's benefit.  We're not that important - we're just clever apes with technology.  Nothing more, nothing less.

In fact I think quite the opposite.  I believe in science and I'm not actually suggesting anything "supernatural" here.  Ok, although I find the Nostradamus prophecies very interesting, I've said before that I don't think we should all blindly believe in them.  But having said that, in the same way that I won't believe in a God until it's proved to me, I'm not going to rule out Nostradamus and prophecies as impossible.  We only use something like 10% of our brain so who's to say what's possible when we use more.  

For all the people who keep going on about the literal end of the world and the world is 45 billion years old or whatever, that's not what I'm talking about.  I've been throwing a lot of ideas around but they don't all mean the literally "the world is going to cease to exist".  They just mean the world might change a lot.

I believe that everything in the universe just "happened" and we are only a very small part of it.  What I am suggesting is about as far from egocentric as you can get.  I'm saying that because humans are a relatively new thing in the history of the universe that maybe we don't actually know everything there is to know about our world or indeed the universe.  I mean going back a few hundred thousand years and our continents aren't even where they are today.  Although it seems enough people on here think me to be a lunatic already, I also believe in life elsewhere in the universe.  That's not to say I believe in alien abuctions and ufo sightings and government cover ups etc.  I just think it's incredibly unlikely that of all the endless planets in the universe, Earth is the only one to have produced life.  It's just arrogance to think we are the only ones.  That is pretty much the only solid belief I have with regards to us, the universe, and everything.   I feel like I must say again for the 100th time that I DO NOT outright believe any of the things I've suggested on this thread.  I thought I had made it clear that I'm just discussing possibilities, and wanting people's opinions which is what I've got, but I haven't suddenly turned into some kind of crazed lunatic.  Throughout history the unlikely has become reality.  Not all of it, but some of it.  I like talking and thinking about possibilities and what the future might hold for us all.  Sorry that you guys don't.

Nostradamus may have been wrong about the future but at least he actually thought about it.

How many more times do I have to say ... Nostradamus,...

How many more times do I have to say just forget Nostradamus, because no matter what happens it can never be proved, true or not.  I've been talking about all sorts of theories, some scientific some not.  Stop getting hung up on the one that is the most difficult to believe, especially once I have said yes, ok, they might not be at all reliable.  I didn't realise until a few days ago how close minded poker players are.

because no matter what happens it can never be proved or not

eeeerrrrrrrmmm, NO!!!! you either belive that events in the future ar preordained and thus people can predict it so, or you believe in free will and think of things such as crystal balls, tarot cards and anything to do with predicting the future as being what is is, absoloute bollox!

how many times do i have to say just forget about nostradamus

You mention him 8 fucking times in your last post!!!!!!!!!

i didnt realise untill a few days ago how close minded poker players are
first sensible thing you've come out with in 7 pages.

that's unfair, kinboshi has contributed to the thread too and you haven't accused him of being close minded!!!

Since when was Kinboshi a poker player? He's lucky, he escaped that blanket insult we all got!

tikay has been dinged IMO!!!

Harsh, but fair. The ultimate insult. I got Dinged.

You sure do. I thought your alias was "tank" or similar, no?

Just me and the bus, nothing else going on here guv.

Gimmick accounts have been done to death. Innovate or stay in bed is my motto.

+1

The world will end.. But only when the Dharma initiative want it too.