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Title: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2009, 12:16:07 AM
EDIT - If you have a technical issue with holdem manager, this thread will probably not help you. You are best contacting holdem manager support or posting on their support forum.



This is a thread to teach players how to best go about using HoldemManager for Sit n Gos. I'll try to formally add something to it every Thursday, but feel free to chime in with your own thoughts in the meantime.

You can download HoldemManager from their website. www.holdemmanager.net
It does cost $80, but they do a 15 days free trial.

If you play $22 tournaments or under, you can get a version of it that only costs $55 (it still has all the features, but you won't be able to upload any higher buy-in tournaments unless you upgrade for another $25)

I'm not on any comission by the way, I just like the program. :)


HoldemManager gathers information on your hands, as well as the hands your opponents are playing.  The feature I want to talk about first is the HUD.

A HUD displays some of the statistics that HoldemManager has gathered for us and transposes them directly onto the poker table where we are playing.
 
Using HUDs opens up a whole world of wierd and wonderful stats that we could possibly use while in play. We're not going to worry about them all just now because too much information is most definately a bad thing. We're just going to focus on two of them to begin with...

VPIP and Preflop Raise

These two are your big ones, pretty much every strategy post on the 2+2 STT forums begin by describing these two numbers for a player
People might say the button was 45/12 or the small blind was 14/7 etc etc

What they're referring to is the VPIP/PFR stats that they have observed for that player.

VPIP (sometimes know as  VP$IP) stands for Voluntarily put money in the pot.
Expressed as a percentage, this tells you how many hands a person has played.

PFR stands for Pre flop raise. It too is expressed as a percentage, and tells you how many hands the player had chosen to raise pre flop.

Note: PFR will never be larger than VPIP. Whenever someone raises pre-flop, it will not only increase their PFR%, but it also counts as them having VPIP-ed too.


These two numbers alone, the VPIP and PFR, give a strong indication as to what hands a player is playing pre flop.


Note : Stats don't make desicions for us, they can be misleading, inaccurate and it's dangerous to rely on them too much if we don’t know what we’re doing.
Don’t panic though, if used properly, they can give us clues that help build a bigger picture that we can apply to our desicion making process.





Instructions to configure our first basic HUD.

On the main holdem manager window go to the "HUD Options" tab and select the first option, "Player Preferences"

Select and remove almost everything from the right hand window under where it says "display these stats"
The only things we want to keep are Abb. Name, Hands, and then on a new line, VPIP and Preflop raise.


Abb. name means abbreviated name and this is just so you know which stats go with which player so we don't get mixed up at first.

Hands is simply the amount of hands that HoldemManager has observed for that player.
We need this to see how accurate the other two numbers are likely to be.

For example, a player who we have seen for only 10 hands and has a VPIP of 50%, may just be a tight player having a good run of cards.
On the other hand, a player we have observed for 250 hands and has a VPIP of 50%, we can be certain that they are very loose.

TOP TIP : The HUD boxes where the numbers appear on your FullTilt screen can be moved about to a place you think best by right click dragging.


Next time I’m going to talk about interpreting the VPIP and PFR numbers, and I’ll also talk a little about using the "additional HUD filters".


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: celtic on January 16, 2009, 12:17:41 AM
link spelt wrong imo.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2009, 12:20:02 AM
cheers


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: 20Years on January 16, 2009, 05:24:23 AM
nice so this means i will know how to actually use HEM!!! :) about time!


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 16, 2009, 08:37:11 AM
Tank are you going to go through which numbers you have displayed on your HUD, as I have been messing about with them this week and would be interested what you have on yours?

At the moment mine are

Line 1 VPIP/PFR/AGGfactor/No. of hands

Line 2 Steal from Sb%/ Fold bb to steal %/ Cbet flop %/ Went to showdown.

Tourney support is meant to be out today, it is like Christmas all over again.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: kinboshi on January 16, 2009, 08:52:08 AM
Tanks Tank.  Should be a very useful thread for a lot of people.

:)up


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 16, 2009, 11:32:03 PM

Tourney support is meant to be out today, it is like Christmas all over again.


Let's hope it's worth the wait. :)



This is what my HUD looks like at the moment, but I'm not entirely happy and it's still very much a work in progress.

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/janHUD.jpg)

I'm tinkering with the pops and such too.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: jizzemm on January 17, 2009, 04:18:06 AM
Tanks Tank.  Should be a very useful thread for a lot of people.

:)up


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Robert HM on January 17, 2009, 08:06:18 AM
Tanks Tank.  Should be a very useful thread for a lot of people.

:)up


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Jim-D on January 17, 2009, 07:15:30 PM
I downloaded the 15 day free trial but when i open the software it's telling me i have 0 of 15 days remaining and is telling me to register

Any idea what i do?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 17, 2009, 07:27:47 PM
Send them an email ldo


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: david3103 on January 20, 2009, 12:49:59 PM
Tanks Tank.  Should be a very useful thread for a lot of people.

:)up

+ another 1

I bought this and even at it's simplest level of seeing the VPIP for a player it's helping loads
Can't wait for the next instalment


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 22, 2009, 10:56:23 AM
Filtering the HUD


You may have heard it said that HUDs are a lot more useful in cash games than in tournaments. I can't argue with that because it's complety true.

Before we talk about using stats gathered by HUDs in tournaments, we need to understand why this is.

In the early levels of a tournament most players will be playing very few hands. In the later levels, especially near the bubble and heads up, the same players may be playing close to every hand. Blinds will change size in a tournament, and, as we get nearer the money, the value of chips will too meaning that people's stack sizes will dramatically affect the dynamic of the table.


To try and combat at least some of these problems, we filter hands for the number of players at the table. This helps us make the data a little more relevant.

A  problem now though, is we have even less of a sample size than before. Choosing how to set up our filter is a balancing act between including enough hands, and making sure the stats we get from those hands are not too irrelevant.


Setting up the HUD filters.


In HoldemManager, we click on the HUD options tab ,  then select additional HUD filters.


Some players set theirs up something like this...

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/HUDfilter01.jpg)

The problem here is when you are playing someone for the first time, as players are eliminated we keep moving from having some information on them (eg, when we’ve been 7-9 handed for a few rounds) to having no information on them at all (as soon as we get to six handed).

Here’s how I set mine up at the moment...

EDIT : I no longer agree with this set-up. See this post...
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=39562.msg896310#msg896310

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/HUDfilter02.jpg)

Note that as players are eliminated, the only point we will be left with no stats on a player is when we get to the heads up stage.

You could use either example, but I recommend having a wee think and changing things around to what you feel might work best for you.



More Problems.


Filtering hands in this manner does not solve all the issues, far from it.

If you think about your own bubble play for example. How many hands will you play if you have the comfortable chip lead, the blinds are high and the rest of the players are nitty. Compare this to how many hands you may play if there are medium sized blinds, you are in second place, and the other three players are quite loose.

Let’s say my HUD has been gathering stats in both these games and I'm playing another with you now. The figures  that I see for your VPIP and PFR may bear absolutely no relation to how you are going to play this bubble.

So we can see our poor stats are really up against it. We have to not only contend with small sample sizes made even smaller by filtering for what stage of the tournament we are at, but the few hands we do have may be misleading us anyway,  due to shifting dynamics of the tournament, and even the shifting moods of a player.



Don't do drugs, Stay in School


So with the above in mind, I’ll mention again that it would be wrong to use statistics gathered by HoldemManager or a similar HUD as a basis for making desicions in and of themselves. Rather, they should be seen as one more block that can aid you in the desicion making process.

If you want to get better and improve your feel and instinct for STTs, there is no substitute for good old fashioned observation.



You can still do some Drugs.


It’s not all doom and gloom, I will be back to post the second half of today’s post in the afternoon, to give a couple of ideas of how the stats can help us.
I’ll also walk you through one real life example of how I used someone’s VPIP and PFR in a hand that I played last night.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 22, 2009, 01:12:11 PM
Fwiw my Hud is filtered

2-3
4-6
7-9

With no overlaps, as you have pointed out there are shortfalls in most filtering system, with sample sizes and changing dynamics. I try to make an effort in game to spot stand out tight or loose stats from early levels, so i can remember that for the mid and late game.

Good post so far Tank.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 22, 2009, 04:33:31 PM
Using VPIP/PFR : Early stages.




Tight players

Even after only a hundred or so hands, you can usually identify the tight players with a reasonable degree of accuracy just using the VPIP/PFR stats.

So the guys who have stats of 10/8 and 13/10 after 100 hands are nearly always tight aggressive.
People who have stats like 15/9 and 16/8 are probably tight aggressive too, but are taking advantage of the low blinds to see flops with pocket pairs.

You could argue that a loose player could appear like they have tight stats because they are having a dry run of cards. While this may be true, in general a loose player is playing a lot of hands simply because he wants to play a lot of hands; this will not be affected too much by what he is dealt.


Loose players

The above is not as true for identifying loose players. A player whose true stats are 15/9 players could well look like a 32/19 player after a small sample if they are being dealt a lot of good cards.

The best way to identify the loose players for sure is to see what hands they are bringing to showdown.

Say you haven’t been able to do this though, if you have a sample size of more than 300 hands in the 7-9 handed stage then you can be reasonably confident that the 32/19 player is playing a loose aggressive style, and isn’t just getting a hot run of cards.

TOP TIP –
If you are sharkscoping a player to find out if they are good or not but find they have an insufficient sample size for you to make such a judgement, you can combine whether they are up or down over a small sample with what their VPIP/PFR tells us to help get a better idea.




An example


We are 9 handed, all players have around about the starting stack, t1500
The blinds are 25/50 and you are in the cutoff seat with TT.
The action goes like this, UTG limps, UTG+1 raises to 225,  3 folds...
How to proceed?

What does the HUD tell us?

Our HUD is currently showing stats for 7-10 handed play.
The HUD shows that...
UTG has a VPIP/PFR of 29/4 after 250 hands.
UTG+1 has a VPIP/PFR of 11/8 after a sample size of 500 hands.


We can see straight away that UTG plays quite a few hands, and so we’re not going to worry too much about him. Our danger man is the UTG+1 player (ldo..coz he’s raised init?)

TOP TIP - You can hover your mouse button over a player’s VPIP or PFR stat to open a pop-up window that gives a breakdown of how often a player is calling or raising from each position. These pop ups can be customized too, there's a different screen depending on what stat you hover over.

The positional breakdown won’t be too useful, as it dilutes sample size even more, I wouldn't even look at it unless I had over 1k hands.
We can be safe to assume, however, that tight players have a degree of positional awareness, and will raise much less often in early position than their stat suggests.

In this example, because of the UTG+1 player’s position, we don’t think he’s going to be raising nearly as much as 8% of the time.
There is also the fact that he is not opening the pot, rather raising an already limped pot.

I’d use the available info the estimate that he has some rather good cards indeed. TT+, AQ+
In fact, there is a good chance the player doesn’t  raise AQo there.
(I don’t raise AQo in his position, and I probably limp TT and JJ.)

Without thinking too hard. I’m going to fold the TT here.


Nit

Do you agree?

Perhaps you think it’s super standard and would fold JJ here too. Or maybe you think we’re being far too nitty and should re-raise for value. I welcome all criticism as it's an oppurtunity for me to learn too.

This thread welcomes discussion on that, and of course, if anyone has any examples themselves of how you might use the VPIP/PFR stats in the early stages of a comp, they'd be cool to look at so please post away.


Cop out

I seem to be running a bit short on time as I’ve got something to do at 4.30, but will try and be back tomorrow to talk about the using these stats in the later stages of the comp.

It’s far more exciting, and my example is a real hand with pictures and everything!


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Jim-D on January 23, 2009, 10:41:16 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 23, 2009, 10:51:27 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?

It does as of this week and it is pretty good as well imo. They have incorporated a lot of tourney manager into holdem manager basically.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Jim-D on January 23, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
Thanks Longy, Just in time for my assault on the tables


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: jizzemm on January 29, 2009, 04:25:42 PM
Holdem Manager or PT3 or something else ???

looking to download something new, used PT2, and that was fine, HM i have tried to instal in the past and i could not do it, or more to the point I could not get it to load hands.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 30, 2009, 03:35:25 PM
Was busy yesterday, I'll update this thread today.



Holdem Manager or PT3 or something else ???

looking to download something new, used PT2, and that was fine, HM i have tried to instal in the past and i could not do it, or more to the point I could not get it to load hands.

Not tried both, but the reports I've heard suggest that Holdem Manager is softer on your computer's processor, for hands that do dishes.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on January 31, 2009, 04:03:06 AM

Was busy yesterday, I'll update this thread today.


Will I bollox

Tomorrow perhaps


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 12:48:38 PM
Will update on Wednesdays from now on coz my Wednesday schedule is light and my Thursday schedule is heavy.



Using VPIP/PFR : Late Stages

As discussed previously, players will change their hand ranges considerably in different game conditions. We filter hands for the amount of players at table, but not for what people's stack sizes are, or indeed the blind levels.

The likelyhood of innacurate figures is even greater in the later stages, either the VPIP or the PFR by themselves is not to be trusted as much.

Despite the figures being less reliable on their own, I believe that using the information from them in the later stages will gain us much more tournament equity than at the beggining.


What I mostly concentrate on, is not either stat by itself, but rather the difference between the two. (VPIP minus PFR)

If the VPIP minus PFR is high, the likelyhood of someone being a habitual 'high blind limper' is also high.


High blind limping

High blind limping is open-calling pre-flop when the blinds are large.

This is almost always a bad thing to do in sit n gos. Good players should be raising to give them a chance of winning the blinds (often an all-in raise), or folding to conserve precious chips.
Trying to see lots of inexpensive flops when the blinds are high is a losing strategy.

A high blind limper is a great thing to have at your table for two reasons...

Firstly, their playing more hands in this manner generates action at the table by allowing other players to see a cheap flop (they might both hit something, and of course, when another player gets knocked out, while our stack stands still, our equity generally skyrockets)
Secondly, they provide us with a lot of spots where we can steal their chips and we can increase our own stack and equity that way.


Spot!

If you've played online poker for about five minutes (or live poker for about an hour) you'll know that dominating your opponent pre-flop doesn't always guarantee a victory, far from it.

Simply playing tight so that your hands are generally better than your opponents is not always enough to be a winning plater. The chips we gain from winning are not often worth the chips we'll lose when the villain binks their flush on the river.
Yes it's generally good for our bank balance to have the best hand, but the equity it might get us may not necessary compensate for the blinds we had to post while we were waiting for that good hand.

We should all be familiar with the tournament player who loses money even though "I always seem to get it in with the best hand"
The poker world is full of them, and they will bemoan their bad luck till the cows go home.

We make more money in tournaments by picking spots where we can signifacantly improve our chip position without having to go to a showdown. To avoid running the gauntlet of five community cards and donks binking their kickers.
When I'm talking about a spot, I'm talking about an oppurtunity to do just this, to win pots without showdown.

Most of these spots will be when the pot is unopened, you can raise or push all-in, and you only have to worry about the people to your left calling.
Raising or pushing over a pot that has already been opened by one or more limpers is also sometimes an option. These pots can be a little more dangerous, but they can also be much more lucrative.


Limped pots

When this happens, it's really good to know how often the player who has limped is limping. From this we can suss out how wide their likely range of cards is and (based on other reads) the likelyhood of getting called were we to push.

If their VPIP minus PFR is large, they are limping a whole lot. We should always be on the lookout for potential spots, especially when our stack is in danger of getting too low.

If their VPIP minus PFR is pretty low, we have to wonder why the hell are they limping? Could be a good chance that they have a fantastic hand and are looking to trap you.

Successfully stealing the blinds in an open pot will increase our stack by 1.5 big blinds.
Successfully stealing the blinds in a limped pot will increase our stack by 2.5 big blinds, or even more if there are multiple limper.

The risks might be slightly larger, but so are the rewards. We should always be on the lookout for prime spots to push over limpers.
 

Using this.


I think the best way to demonstrate how to apply this will be to give you some examples of hand historys where I've been in a spot where I can potentially push over one or more limpers, some are kinda marginal and I've deliberately included these so that you see how the opponents VPIP-PFR has influenced my decision and tipped the balance.

Feel free to disagree with any of the desicions I make in the hands I'm about to post. (The first one in particular may be rather dodgy, indeed I am pretty sure I did the wrong thing.)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 01:05:20 PM
This is a screenshot I've taken of a hand I played a couple of weeks ago.

We are on the button at the 80/160 blind level. Ayemate is the UTG player who has limped.

In my HUD, the number of hands played is on the first line.
The first two numbers on the second line are that players VPIP and PFR respectively.

So I have 158 hands on Ayemate.
He has VPIP of 22% and PFR of 5%

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/K9sshove-1.jpg)

Additional reads.

I have seen Ayemate limp and fold to a raise preflop before. I have also seen him fold to a re-raise.

obtenir argent is a good player, he is short so looking for a good spot himself, and he knows how I play. Despite this, I don't think he will call we too wide from the small blind with this many players at the table (he has a bit more time) and with the blinds still in the medium/large rather than large category. There are other regulars I play who would call me much wider in this spot.

The big blind I don't have too much info on, but have no reason to suspect they will call me super loose.

I think both blinds (even though obtenir knows me) will call me tighter than had I open shoved, because they also have to worry about UTG.


So it's definately a spot worth thinking about, but is K9s good enough to push here?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 01:38:04 PM
Here's two hand history's from a tournament I played at the weekend. The hands happen one after the other.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager (http://www.holdemmanager.net)
NL Holdem $60/$120 Blinds

Hero
SB ($770)
BB ($3,045)
UTG ($1,675)
UTG+1 ($1,385)
UTG+2 ($1,385)
CO ($3,265)
BTN ($1,975)

Dealt to Hero  3c 3d

UTG fold
UTG+1 fold
UTG+2 call 120,
CO fold
BTN call 120
Hero raises to $770
BB fold
UTG+2 fold
BTN fold



Grabbed by Holdem Manager (http://www.holdemmanager.net)
NL Holdem $80/$160 Blinds

SB ($2,925)
BB ($1,675)
UTG ($1,385)
UTG+1 ($1,265)
UTG+2 ($3,265)
CO ($1,855)
Hero BTN ($1,130)

Dealt to Hero  Kh Jc

UTG fold
UTG+1 call
UTG+2 call
CO fold
Hero raises to $1,130
SB fold
BB fold
UTG+1 fold
UTG+2 fold




You can see how winning these pots was a massive boost. I've doubled up from t770 to t1690 in two hands without having to win a showdown.

I was pretty lucky to find these spots, and they're both pretty clear cut, but I've put them here to illustrate how important they are.

As for VPIPs and PFRs, I jotted down what they were for the players invlolved in these hands. 33/10, 17/10 and 26/11
so they are both limping a lot.

If one of the players who opened the pot had a VPIP/PFR of something like 15/12 or 24/26 then I would not have pushed all-in on either hand. It is just too likely that the player limping is trapping.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: byronkincaid on February 04, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?

It does as of this week and it is pretty good as well imo. They have incorporated a lot of tourney manager into holdem manager basically.

i updated today but can't work out how to do this??? I click on the "tourney" tab and I should have a "results" tab underneath it? I haven't, I've got reports/preflop cards/hands/sessions/graphs like I do if I'm in the "Cash" tab. If I click on sessions or graphs it says "not currently available for tourneys"

confuzzed :(



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 01:48:06 PM
Here's a spot which I believe is not quite an ATC shove (profitable to go all-in with 'any two cards') but almost.

I like this one because the HUD made all the difference.
UTG's VPIP/PFR was 29/3 (and wasn't the type of player who would call my shove with QJo)

If UTG's stats were 23/10 or something like that, I probably would have passed.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager (http://www.holdemmanager.net)
NL Holdem $100/$200

SB ($2,265)
BB ($3,520)
UTG ($1,525)
UTG+1 ($1,830)
Hero CO ($1,340)
BTN ($3,020)

Dealt to Hero  3c 6c

UTG call
UTG+1 fold
Hero raises to $1,340
BTN fold
SB fold
BB fold
UTG fold


Those 500 chips were very helpful.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 02:21:22 PM
Couple more hands with screenshots coz I think they're better. Easier to visualize the situation because, well, you don't have to.

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/58shove-2.jpg)

Here we see villain has limped from the CO at the 50/100 blind level.

I'm in the small blind with 58s. Instead of insta-folding, I can see from the CO's HUD stats of 40/16 that he is limping loads, and that this is probably an ok spot for a steal.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
The next hand we go back to what we were talking about last week. It's from the early levels.

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/994bet.jpg)

I'm UTG+1 with 99 and I've chosen to limp. (A raise would have been ok too, and I'd raise here some of the time)

The CO has made it 180 to go.

This is usually an annoying spot where I'm not too sure what to do. We're not deep enough to flat, going all-in might be ok against the right opponent, but against a pretty tight player it's a losing play.

I can see that the CO has been raising a lot (his stats are 33/19) so I can go ahead and make the raise all-in with a with a reasonable degree of confidence that I'm making the right move.

Note the very small sample size of only 42 hands though, this is the first time I've seen this player. There is a chance he's a tight player having a run of cards, but not too big a chance that it stops me shoving here.



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 02:32:01 PM
Lastly, going back to that K9s hand.

I went all-in, and although everyone folded, I'm pretty sure I made a -EV play.
UTG was just not loose enough to warrant that move.

The VPIP minus PFR on the screen was misleading me.

I play regular speed sit n gos and at the 80/160 level we have usually lost 3 or 4 players already. We are still 8 handed here though, so the 22/5 figure for UTG will include all the early blind play where limping with a lot of hands (such as small pocket pairs) is common, (and often a good play, don't believe anything you've read in an article by The Dean).
I cannot confidently put UTG on being a high blind limper with the stats currently displayed.

If we were 6-handed and UTG was still displaying a stat of arounf 22/5 this may have been an ok play. (but still pretty marginal)

Probably not the best of examples then, but hopefully it will have given you something to think about.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on February 04, 2009, 03:06:33 PM
This is interesting stuff Tank thanks.

I was just curious after reading this last example. You say that the vpip/pfr figure has to be interpreted differently depending on whether you are 6 or 8 handed.

Does HEM filter the figures and adjust them as players drop out or does this have to be done manually?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 03:13:41 PM
This is interesting stuff Tank thanks.

I was just curious after reading this last example. You say that the vpip/pfr figure has to be interpreted differently depending on whether you are 6 or 8 handed.

Does HEM filter the figures and adjust them as players drop out or does this have to be done manually?

You set the figures manually in additional HUD options. Once set up though, Holdem manager will automatically display the relevant stats.
(or it will 5 seconds after the hand after the player has been eliminated, coz it won't be till then that HoldemManager knows the player has gone.)

Some screenshots, examples of 2 possible ways to set it up is somewhere on page one of this thread I think, near the bottom.

I'm probably going to change mine now.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 03:25:35 PM
I've changed my 6 handed filter to 5-6 handed instead of the 5-8 handed that it was at before.

Otherwise, the 7 and 8 handed stats from full-ish table early play will contaminate my stats when 6-handed and mislead me into thinking players are limping more at high blinds when they are not.

So I'll have no info on a new player as soon as we go to 6-handed play, but the trade-off is that as soon as we get to 6 handed (Which doesn't happen too often before 50/100) I'm free to use the stats to help identify high blind limpers and not before.


This is a good example of why I've started this thread. It gives me an oppurtunity to learn new stuff.
I wouldn't have picked up on that if I hadn't been working on this thread and thinking about stuff.
The K9 error was 8-handed (so no excuse, it was just spewy) but I've probably been making a few mistakes when 6-handed too. I quite probably have incorrectly pegged people as high blind limpers and shoved too marginally over their limps.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?

It does as of this week and it is pretty good as well imo. They have incorporated a lot of tourney manager into holdem manager basically.

i updated today but can't work out how to do this??? I click on the "tourney" tab and I should have a "results" tab underneath it? I haven't, I've got reports/preflop cards/hands/sessions/graphs like I do if I'm in the "Cash" tab. If I click on sessions or graphs it says "not currently available for tourneys"

confuzzed :(



Not able to help you out with this I'm afraid because I'm still looking into the new features myself. (or just about to even)
Longy might know, else the HE manager forum is pretty good. The techhies there have reportedly been super quick of late in replying to questions and resolving problems posted on the forum. (or so someone was saying on the 2+2 STT strat forum a couple of days ago)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on February 04, 2009, 03:41:02 PM
Does it filter between 6 handed and 10 handed games?

Also do you know of any compatibility issues with iPoker and Vista?

I've always wanted one of these HUD thingy's but have never got round to it. I'm very tempted now because I can see how these figures could be useful.



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
There are check boxes in the player preferences window on the top left hand side where you can choose to include or exclude HU, six handed, full ring and tournament hands. You can also toggle between using NL or fixed limit data with these boxes.
To be honest I'm not sure whether this works for 6-pac STTs and full ring STTs coz I never use that part of the program. (being a one trick pony)


I ain't used it on i-poker personally, but I'm pretty sure it's compatible. I have used it on Vista with no issues.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: AlexMartin on February 04, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
wp for doing this tank sir


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on February 04, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
There are check boxes in the player preferences window on the top left hand side where you can choose to include or exclude HU, six handed, full ring and tournament hands. You can also toggle between using NL or fixed limit data with these boxes.
To be honest I'm not sure whether this works for 6-pac STTs and full ring STTs coz I never use that part of the program. (being a one trick pony)


I ain't used it on i-poker personally, but I'm pretty sure it's compatible. I have used it on Vista with no issues.

Thanks mate. Much appreciated.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: cambo on February 04, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
ive had a nightmare with this hm over last few days, i mailed stars and they sent me every hand ive ever played there, tried to import them -gt some in and it says i have 11k hands for me but i can only access 1k hands etc etc , spent to many hrs trying to sort it, just gonna take the lappy over to cauncks and he can fix it hopefully

well done on the thread tank ill refer bk to it quite a bit


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on February 04, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
Just got started this afternoon.

First impressions are good. Even managed to steal someone's BB with a little raise.

I did find it quite off putting though as I was trying to alter things while playing. Obviously this is just teething problems.

Thumbs up so far. No problems with installation or importing HH's etc.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on February 04, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?

It does as of this week and it is pretty good as well imo. They have incorporated a lot of tourney manager into holdem manager basically.

i updated today but can't work out how to do this??? I click on the "tourney" tab and I should have a "results" tab underneath it? I haven't, I've got reports/preflop cards/hands/sessions/graphs like I do if I'm in the "Cash" tab. If I click on sessions or graphs it says "not currently available for tourneys"

confuzzed :(



Hmmm not had this problem and i have installed all the new betas for 1.08. As tank i would post the bug on their forum or email them and they will respond pretty quickly.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on February 04, 2009, 08:33:12 PM
Interesting stuff tank, i am going to run a few of these hand in sngwiz as my initial reaction with 36s and 85s hands was i really don't like the look of those. Even though we know villians limp a lot doesn't mean they aren't going to snap off your shove, with small pairs, broadway and ax hands. I would need a read they limp fold a good % of the time before shoving those hands and when doing things like that it is important to look at the players left to act behind you and know whether they will call loose.

I think the k9s isn't that bad, but would probably pass it in game. I like it more than some of the other hands at first glance, off to do some work with sngwiz.

Excellent post btw, it is rare I see something posted about sngs these days that is new to me.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: byronkincaid on February 04, 2009, 08:52:10 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?

It does as of this week and it is pretty good as well imo. They have incorporated a lot of tourney manager into holdem manager basically.

i updated today but can't work out how to do this??? I click on the "tourney" tab and I should have a "results" tab underneath it? I haven't, I've got reports/preflop cards/hands/sessions/graphs like I do if I'm in the "Cash" tab. If I click on sessions or graphs it says "not currently available for tourneys"

confuzzed :(



Hmmm not had this problem and i have installed all the new betas for 1.08. As tank i would post the bug on their forum or email them and they will respond pretty quickly.

ah didn't realise it was only in the beta version, got it now thx

so if I play a sng it automatically knows what buyin it was? no manual importing malarky?



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 04, 2009, 09:11:49 PM
Interesting stuff tank, i am going to run a few of these hand in sngwiz as my initial reaction with 36s and 85s hands was i really don't like the look of those. Even though we know villians limp a lot doesn't mean they aren't going to snap off your shove, with small pairs, broadway and ax hands. I would need a read they limp fold a good % of the time before shoving those hands and when doing things like that it is important to look at the players left to act behind you and know whether they will call loose.

I think the k9s isn't that bad, but would probably pass it in game. I like it more than some of the other hands at first glance, off to do some work with sngwiz.

Excellent post btw, it is rare I see something posted about sngs these days that is new to me.

Easy to be new when you're talking bollox.  :D

I certainly welcome the criticism, apart from the 33 and KJo hands, I've picked what I thought were a few marginal spots, but they may well turn out to be out and out mistakes.

They're quite tough ones to Wiz I find, with only being able to choose a range of cards with Wiz ( a range that is designed to represent hands people like to shove with rather than a limping range), and not being able to pick individual hands that you think opponent might be limping with.
For example, I might think an opponent will limp with 9Ts, but to include this hand in Wiz, I have to adjust his range to 38% and include stuff like K4o, even though I think same opponent will snap fold that.
If I think an opponent is limping with 98o and the like, it's even harder to analyze with Wiz as to include that hand you need to slide the range all the way to 58% that will, again, include stuff I think same opponent would snap fold like J2s and Q2o.
Then there's the quandry of the eliminate range too, you can take off their best cards (that you think they would have raised with) but you can't leave in AA or KK that they'll sometimes limp with. These are the first two it'll take off.

Just defending myself a little before Wiz laughs at me for making a -2.50% shove or something like that. ;)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on February 04, 2009, 09:39:38 PM
Does Holdemmanager track all your sit n go results, roi, itm and $'s won/lost?

It does as of this week and it is pretty good as well imo. They have incorporated a lot of tourney manager into holdem manager basically.

i updated today but can't work out how to do this??? I click on the "tourney" tab and I should have a "results" tab underneath it? I haven't, I've got reports/preflop cards/hands/sessions/graphs like I do if I'm in the "Cash" tab. If I click on sessions or graphs it says "not currently available for tourneys"

confuzzed :(



Hmmm not had this problem and i have installed all the new betas for 1.08. As tank i would post the bug on their forum or email them and they will respond pretty quickly.

ah didn't realise it was only in the beta version, got it now thx

so if I play a sng it automatically knows what buyin it was? no manual importing malarky?



Yes it does, which is pretty sweet. No more mailing stars to get your last 1000 sngs.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on February 05, 2009, 12:52:25 AM
Hi guys, not sure if someone can help me or not.    I've a new computer and installed HEM again on it but starting with a new database so I don't mind losing the info from my old comp at the moment.

I'm 99% sure I set it all up correct but it doesn't seem to import hands that well, in fact I'm not sure how I got the hands in there that I have because whenever I click on Auto Import or Import from file, it says it's importing but no hands get recognised.  Also, when clicking Auto Import, the HUD table window opens but no tables are in it, then it disapears.

I definately have HH's set to save locally from the poker clients, the files are all there.

Any ideas on where/what to check?  I haven't a clue what else to check.  I thought it maybe something to do with the database thing you need to download and install but if it were that, I don't think i'd have any hands in there would I?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Moskvich on February 05, 2009, 06:35:06 PM
Short answer is I don't really know, but long answer - is it anything to do with running stuff as an administrator? I think I may have had this issue when playing on Full Tilt, because I wasn't running FTP as administrator. Not sure of details or why this happened, but you never know, it might help...


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on February 05, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
Think it was the user access control.   All sorted :)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 11, 2009, 08:03:05 PM
Two quick features I want to talk about this week. You may well know of these already, but this is supposedly a beginner’s guide to getting the most out of holdem manager, so I’m going to talk about them anyway.


Hand Historys.


The hand history windows corresponding to each table starts up automatically the first time you launched your HUD. It’s likely you might have closed them down because you didn’t have the room on your monitor to display them permanently.

If you have done this, that’s fair enough. I don’t have them up there all the time either, monitor real estate is always at a preimium.
 
Out of site, out of mind though. It’s easy to forget they are there, and it’s important that you know how to recall them quickly should you need them.
When you miss hands because you were busy with other tables or whatever, questions such as, “how much did he flat call pre flop with that J9o?” and “wtf just happened there” need to be answered.

One of the HUD elements displays the amount of the last 3 pots at the table, and who one them.
You can make sure it’s part of your HUD by going into HUD Options/Player Preferences.

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/tablestats.jpg)

If you select at least one hand to appear this box will appear on your HUD...

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/hudelement.jpg)

Left clicking on any of the hands on this box will resurrect the hand history window.
If it’s a different hand you want to look at, you can swich to a different hand with the drop down menu at the top of that new window.

TOP TIP :
If you want to copy and paste a hand, for posting in a forum, you can do so with one click by using the buttons at the top right of the hand history window. (Clicking does the ctrl+c bit for you, all that is left is the ctrl+v bit.)

When I'm playing a sesh, I like to have a notepad window open. Whenever I'm not too sure about a hand, I'll copy the hand history in the above manner and paste it to the notebook so I can review all such hands before the start of my next session.

There are other ways to mark hands for later review, (the top left hand corner of that hand history window for instance) but this is the method I use.



Big Stat Window

You’ve probably noticed a small pop-up comes up when you hover the mouse over a stat, and then disappears when you move the mouse again.
You’ve probably also noticed that huge massive pop-up screen with loads of info on it that comes up when you click on one of the HUD boxes accidentally. It blocks the whole table and tilts the life out of you till you manage to get rid of it by clicking again.

We'll call this the big stat window.

If we want to actually look at this window for longer than 2 seconds, there’s a problem because there’s usually some sort of poker game going on behind it that we need to keep an eye on.

It is useful to know that you can right click drag this pop-up. The same as you would right click drag any of the permanent HUD boxes.
Assuming you have some spare room on your monitor, you can now peruse this pop-up at your lesisure, without it blocking your view of the game in progress.

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/tigmong/bigstat.jpg)

You’ll see numbers in brackets on this pop-up. That is the sample size you have for that particular stat.
If there are no brackets, then you have a sample size of over 100.

In the above example, taken from a losing regular from 827 hands of 7-9 handed play, we see that his PFR from the big blind is 6%. This is from a sample size of 99. (99 times he's been in the big blind with the option to raise, and he has elected to do so 6% of the time)
We also see that he has raised 8% of the time from the small blind. There is no bracketed figure after this number, this means the sample size is over 100.

(You might need to scroll blonde to the right to see what I'm talking about. The above two stats are on the right hand side of the screenshot.)



While not as immediately useful as the ability to look at hand historys, occasionaly looking at all the info in the big stat window while the game is in progress helps us slowly get more used to the stats and what they mean.

What I mean by this, is when you are playing such and such a player at the table, you can correlate your read on him (based on your observations of his playing style) to the stats.

In time, after we’ve done this with enough similar opponents, the hope is you’ll get a better idea for when it’s ok to flip things around, and start to get a read on players based on a given stat, crucially at what sample size it’s safe to draw conlusions with that sort of thing.

I like to have one of these windows open when I am winding down my session and only have one or two games left in progress. I've also started opening one at the beginning of my session too.



Next week...

Speaking of stats, back next week to have a talk about Aggression factor and what some of the numbers might mean.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: totalise on February 12, 2009, 12:56:32 AM
this is a really gr8 thread tank, well done and thanks for spending all the time doing it.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 18, 2009, 07:29:17 AM
Aggression factor

Your aggression factor is a number derived from the following simple formula...

(# times you bet + # times you raise) divided by (# times you call)

Both checking and folding have no affect on this number.

So it’s just a simple divosry sum where.
# times you bet + # times you raise = numerator
# times you call = denominator

Note : If the HUD has never seen a player call, because we can’t have a denominator of 0, their aggression factor will be displayed as ‘inf’ (infinity)




What does it do?


The idea behind aggression factor you would think is simply to quantify how aggressive someone is, hence the name.
As is pertains to STTs (I have literally no clue when it comes to cash games) I would suggest that you certainly don't think of aggression factor in these terms.

Bigger number = more aggressive player = they bluff more = I'll call them more.

It’s easy to fall into the following trap.
(Do not do this btw)

You have a hand that you would usually fold to a large bet. You notice that opponent has an aggression factor of 8 after about 100 hands and this is pretty high.Instead of insta-mucking you decide to hero call. His stat says he’s aggressive and that should mean he bluffs a lot right?

We have to remember how this number came about though. His high aggression factor may not be from a large numerator (betting and raising a lot), but rather from the sum just having a small denominator (the player not calling much)

In other words, we may be just as likely to be up against a nut peddler than a habitual bluffer. For this reason I would advise you don’t use aggression factor to indicate how often someone bluffs.
 
Other reasons not to use it in this manner.

First off, our old friends sample size and differing tournament dynamics possibly giving us a skewed figure. (In this case, the number gets as high as infinity!)

Secondly, it’s probably in our nature to want to make sick calls (coz that means we’re good at the pokah) and to look to the stats for some reason to call that may not be there. The Hero Call thread is not for STT players because of the ever present disparity between cEV and $EV.

If you’re in a situation where you’re unsure what the correct move is. A bad call in an STT will typically lose you a lot more EV than a good call will gain you. Lean towards folding when we’re not sure.


So what can we use it for?

If someone has a very low aggression factor, it’s fairly safe to proceed as if they were a calling station, because that’s what they probably are.

If someone has an aggression factor of less than 1 for instance, this means they’ve been calling more than betting and raising combined. So long as the sample size is over 50 or so hands, it’s a pretty safe bet to think them a calling station until you receive evidence to the contrary.





That’s the lot for this week. I can’t talk much more because I’m short on time.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: rossfourfive on February 18, 2009, 12:26:41 PM
Quality thread tank, ty for writing it up. I'd be interested in the pros cons of using HEM over PT as i'm playing more STTs just now so would consider getting HEM if it's better for STTs than PT. Anyone tried both? What do you prefer?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on February 25, 2009, 11:12:51 AM
Nothing this week.  ;booder;

Got to write an icky English essay instead. Poetry... fml
Back next week, ship it crucial.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on March 28, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
Quicky, can't seem to find the answer, but does the tourney bit know what your prize money was, or can I tell it?   In the $ section it has 1 which I assume refers to a sng I won last night.  Does it work out the  money side of things or just finishing positions?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on March 28, 2009, 08:13:44 PM
Quicky, can't seem to find the answer, but does the tourney bit know what your prize money was, or can I tell it?   In the $ section it has 1 which I assume refers to a sng I won last night.  Does it work out the  money side of things or just finishing positions?

HEM should give you the correct prize money as well, it has done for all the sngs in my db.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on March 28, 2009, 08:19:56 PM
Hmmm, some strange things going on in my HEM.  How does it know the prize money though, there's nothing in the HH files to say what you win, or how many people are in the tourney.



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on March 28, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
Hmmm, some strange things going on in my HEM.  How does it know the prize money though, there's nothing in the HH files to say what you win, or how many people are in the tourney.



What type of sng was it?

HEM recognises what type of sng it is, then simply reads off where you finish and therefore knows what your payout should be.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on March 28, 2009, 08:45:05 PM
My fault, it is working.  I've just realised I had two old sng's in there from a bit back. Just cashed in one and it updated correctly.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Jim-D on March 29, 2009, 10:34:59 AM
In the tourney section, it's showing 16 STT's unfinished? any idea why that is and what i can do to maybe amend it?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on March 29, 2009, 10:42:26 AM
In the tourney section, it's showing 16 STT's unfinished? any idea why that is and what i can do to maybe amend it?

I get that if i disconnect during a set, i just enter them all manually if you right click on the tourney. Then tick on the player is finished as well as any prize you might have won.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Jim-D on March 29, 2009, 11:23:53 AM
In the tourney section, it's showing 16 STT's unfinished? any idea why that is and what i can do to maybe amend it?

I get that if i disconnect during a set, i just enter them all manually if you right click on the tourney. Then tick on the player is finished as well as any prize you might have won.

Thanks mate


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Eck on March 29, 2009, 02:56:32 PM
Tried for about an hour and a half to get this piece of shit to install and have got fucking nowhere fast. Giving up and deleting it all again.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Tractor on March 29, 2009, 03:38:23 PM
When i try replaying a hand in the player it doent show there money just something like 100000 for each player (this is cash btw) obv i have not set something up right, any ideas?


Cheers


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: pokerfan on April 13, 2009, 09:13:45 PM
Downloaded HEM today and having a nightmare connecting to postgreSQL i have covered every step in the faq`s and trawled the forum for info. This is the last thing i can try but havnt got a scooby how to find it pls help.

"If youve just recently had a problem where it says Failed to establish a connection to ‘127.0.0.1’ then its most likely due to an update microsoft released for defender. Please try the following to fix it"

1: Go to "C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc" and open the "hosts" file with
notepad



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Tractor on April 13, 2009, 09:18:25 PM
Downloaded HEM today and having a nightmare connecting to postgreSQL i have covered every step in the faq`s and trawled the forum for info. This is the last thing i can try but havnt got a scooby how to find it pls help.

"If youve just recently had a problem where it says Failed to establish a connection to ‘127.0.0.1’ then its most likely due to an update microsoft released for defender. Please try the following to fix it"

1: Go to "C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc" and open the "hosts" file with
notepad



Thats the same error i got and havent managed to fix it :(
Good Luck!


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: pokerfan on April 13, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
Downloaded HEM today and having a nightmare connecting to postgreSQL i have covered every step in the faq`s and trawled the forum for info. This is the last thing i can try but havnt got a scooby how to find it pls help.

"If youve just recently had a problem where it says Failed to establish a connection to ‘127.0.0.1’ then its most likely due to an update microsoft released for defender. Please try the following to fix it"

1: Go to "C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc" and open the "hosts" file with
notepad



Thats the same error i got and havent managed to fix it :(
Good Luck!
Im in weeeeeee. left this 1 till last cause i didnt get it but now i do.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: kinboshi on April 13, 2009, 09:48:32 PM
Editing your hosts file is easy, but it's even easier with this free program if you need it:

http://www.download.com/Win-Hosts-File-Editor/3000-2381-10495369.html?part=dl-WinHostsF&subj=dl&tag=button


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: dino1980 on April 26, 2009, 01:51:31 PM
Can anyone help with a sng prob i have?

Basically for Ipoker Stts my profts/loss on the tourneys tab are just filtered by the BB level. Looking at the convo between Silo/Longy in this thread it should be possible to display the real $ won or lost (not the chip value profit/loss which it shows currently). If this is correct anyone have a clue how i sort this?

I'm running HEM v1.07 fwiw.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on April 29, 2009, 04:08:31 PM
Can anyone help with a sng prob i have?

Basically for Ipoker Stts my profts/loss on the tourneys tab are just filtered by the BB level. Looking at the convo between Silo/Longy in this thread it should be possible to display the real $ won or lost (not the chip value profit/loss which it shows currently). If this is correct anyone have a clue how i sort this?

I'm running HEM v1.07 fwiw.

This is your problem, update to 1.08 beta and reinstall your hands in a new db.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: AndrewT on April 29, 2009, 04:25:30 PM
1.08 final out now.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: dino1980 on April 29, 2009, 05:45:01 PM
Thanks for your replies, Longy + Andrew will get the updated version.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Moskvich on April 29, 2009, 07:59:56 PM
Downloaded HEM today and having a nightmare connecting to postgreSQL i have covered every step in the faq`s and trawled the forum for info. This is the last thing i can try but havnt got a scooby how to find it pls help.

"If youve just recently had a problem where it says Failed to establish a connection to ‘127.0.0.1’ then its most likely due to an update microsoft released for defender. Please try the following to fix it"

1: Go to "C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc" and open the "hosts" file with
notepad



Thats the same error i got and havent managed to fix it :(
Good Luck!


And me - hadn't used my HEM for a while, now getting this message. Looks from the forums like it's a bit of a nightmare to fix. Anyone had any success, got any tips...? Is re-downloading from scratch an option..?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: KarmaDope on May 03, 2009, 08:40:42 PM
Just d/l HEM and set it up for both cash and tourney use.

Have noted that when I move tables in an MTT, the HUD starts my stats from 0 again - how do I change it so I can carry my stats over on the HUD, so to speak?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: gatso on May 03, 2009, 08:50:17 PM
Just d/l HEM and set it up for both cash and tourney use.

Have noted that when I move tables in an MTT, the HUD starts my stats from 0 again - how do I change it so I can carry my stats over on the HUD, so to speak?

your own stats or other people's on the table?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: KarmaDope on May 03, 2009, 09:08:36 PM
Just d/l HEM and set it up for both cash and tourney use.

Have noted that when I move tables in an MTT, the HUD starts my stats from 0 again - how do I change it so I can carry my stats over on the HUD, so to speak?

your own stats or other people's on the table?

my own stats lol


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Moskvich on May 09, 2009, 03:04:08 AM
Just d/l HEM and set it up for both cash and tourney use.

Have noted that when I move tables in an MTT, the HUD starts my stats from 0 again - how do I change it so I can carry my stats over on the HUD, so to speak?

your own stats or other people's on the table?

my own stats lol

Is it not more valuable to have the stats just for the new table? Your stats from the last table are surely irrelevant once you've moved. You just want to be able to keep an eye on your image at the new table, no?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on May 19, 2009, 11:45:08 PM
I've a small HUD issue, obviously when I sit at multiple tables, I don't sit in the same seat all the time, but my HUD for my stats isn't tracking where I'm at, if I'm in seat one on table 1, my stats on other tables is in seat 1, did I explain that ok?  Can I change this?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: dino1980 on May 20, 2009, 02:04:17 AM
I've a small HUD issue, obviously when I sit at multiple tables, I don't sit in the same seat all the time, but my HUD for my stats isn't tracking where I'm at, if I'm in seat one on table 1, my stats on other tables is in seat 1, did I explain that ok?  Can I change this?

Silo, go to Hud Options>Seating Preferences

For each site that you've got a hero name for, you can set your seating preference. If i'm playing on tilt or stars i always sit in the central seat as this makes it easier when mulit-tabling. I know this is not possilbe when on Ipoker, for that site, i just drag my stats box to one side of the table.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Graham C on May 20, 2009, 09:49:29 AM
ty Dino, will do that when I get home :)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: valensi_uk on May 29, 2009, 04:37:56 PM
just a quickie

i have holdem manager set up at home on my laptop but i also play at work.....is there any way that HM picks up all the details and hand histories from my works computer???


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: valensi_uk on June 01, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
bump  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on June 01, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
I honestly don't know the answer to this but my hunch is that you are going to have to move the hand histories over instead of hem doing it for you.These kind of things are best asked on their forums.


http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: dino1980 on June 01, 2009, 12:54:05 PM
just a quickie

i have holdem manager set up at home on my laptop but i also play at work.....is there any way that HM picks up all the details and hand histories from my works computer???

Yeah i often play at work without using HEM as my work comp appears to have a problem with hte postgres stuff, anyway... i just copy and paste the HHs onto a memory stick then put them onto my comp at home.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: mondatoo on August 18, 2009, 10:50:47 PM
Had to re-install hm on a new comp for the 2nd time FML.Anyway think i'm close to done but have a problem,i think i have it setup correctly as hands are importing and i have it setup for my screename but for some reason the hud isn't actually starting up, table manager doesn't load up so no stats show.Anyone any idea what i might be missing ? Thanks


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on August 19, 2009, 02:01:02 AM
Which version of Windows are you using on your second PC?

Assuming as it's new you're using XP (edit:  I mean Vista obv) , there are a few things you can try. From the look of the HE Manager support forum it's relatively common.

Try disabling User Acount Control if you've not done so already. As I understand it, HE Manager in its latest manifestation will not work with this windows XP feature activated.

I had this problem when I installed Holdem Manager on my new PC and reckon it was because I installed HE Manager before I setup the PostSQL thingiebobie and I think doing things in that order seems to muck up the world.

A simple uninstall/reinstall solved that.


There's a good HUD Troubleshooting page in the Holdem Manager FAQs, go through it carefully and then try a reinstall and see how you get on.




Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: gatso on August 19, 2009, 02:07:17 AM

Assuming as it's new you're using XP


why? is it 2001 again?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on August 19, 2009, 02:10:45 AM
Vista, I meant vista.

This is why I can't give teccie advice.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: gatso on August 19, 2009, 02:11:11 AM

Try disabling User Acount Control if you've not done so already. As I understand it, HE Manager in its latest manifestation will not work with this windows XP feature activated.


this sounds about right. PT has the same thing

you can turn user a/c control back on again once you've done the uninstall/reinstall


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: mondatoo on August 19, 2009, 07:50:52 AM
Cheers tank/gatso

Will try this when i get in


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: mondatoo on August 20, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
I'm actually using Xp because i think vista's shit,drive c is called vista (used to have vista on this laptop) does the user access thing still happen and if so where do i find it thanks


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: gatso on August 21, 2009, 12:26:08 AM
I'm actually using Xp because i think vista's shit,drive c is called vista (used to have vista on this laptop) does the user access thing still happen and if so where do i find it thanks

you won't have it. it was introduced with vista so back to square one I'm afraid


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: mondatoo on August 24, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
I'm actually using Xp because i think vista's shit,drive c is called vista (used to have vista on this laptop) does the user access thing still happen and if so where do i find it thanks

you won't have it. it was introduced with vista so back to square one I'm afraid

Sigh FML


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: mondatoo on August 24, 2009, 06:53:47 PM
Working now,cheers


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: fatcatstu on November 05, 2009, 05:27:44 PM
Hik, same problem as a guy earlier, HEM doesnt seem to like getting the HH's from my PC.

It is on auto import and every time it trys it comes up with "import errors : 34 (or what ever)"

Any ideas?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: TheChipPrince on November 19, 2009, 11:02:59 AM
Just re-read through the lot Tank, excellent thread.

8/9 months on, any other tweaks you've made to your set-up?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on November 19, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
Nah, just trying to keep on top of what I need to do to have the HUD actually work. :)

I like the idea of throughly reading the manual and playing about/experimenting to get the most out of software. I'm doing something similar at the moment with a chess program called Chessbase. I won't bore you with the details but suffice is to say I'm inspired by the possibilties that this program has to offer someone into chess and in particular chess training.

With computer programs in more general terms, I've learnt there can be a huge gap in terms of using a program to meet the basic needs of why you bought it and learning to exploit the possibilities you wouldn't have otherwise thought about based on what a particular program is capable of. Admittedly the cool shit is sometimes just bells and whistles, sometimes it's much much more and does serve a practical function.

Would recommend anyone who wants to get the most out of Holdem Manager read the manual (not all at once, just a wee bit each day) and have a play about. The more familar you get with the program, you'll advance to the stage of not thinking about how to get certain bits of information, but how to use that information to make your game better (if that makes sense?)

The manual isn't in the help tab of the actual program, but can be downloaded here.

http://www.holdemmanager.net/support.html

The time you spend on this kind of stuff will be repaid if you're using the program often. Both on the level of working out how to do the stuff you want to do quickly, and in terms of what that stuff is that you might want to do actually is. Sigh, badly worded sentenceaments


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: roscopiko on November 19, 2009, 01:08:25 PM
I know its been mentioned that its all automatically imported on here but the tourney results doesnt seem to work for me, they seem to import correctly sporadically for 6 seat and 9 seat STTs but I get empty $ results for lots of games especially on multi table STTs, MTTs and incorrect finish positions, like 8th if I go out in 8th on that table rather than say 15th.

Do you have to keep the lobby open or something (i have table ninja shutting mine) for for it to work or I am just being a pleb here?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on November 19, 2009, 01:19:42 PM
The main problem I have is my HUD doesn't automatically find my active tables.

I can get the HUD up through table finder no problem at all but it can be a bit of a pain doing this whilst 5 or 6 tabling mtts.

Anybody else had this problem or know of a fix?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: roscopiko on November 19, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
The main problem I have is my HUD doesn't automatically find my active tables.

I can get the HUD up through table finder no problem at all but it can be a bit of a pain doing this whilst 5 or 6 tabling mtts.

Anybody else had this problem or know of a fix?

Had that problem on stars but when I downloaded the new patch it seemed to sort it


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on November 19, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
The main problem I have is my HUD doesn't automatically find my active tables.

I can get the HUD up through table finder no problem at all but it can be a bit of a pain doing this whilst 5 or 6 tabling mtts.

Anybody else had this problem or know of a fix?

Had that problem on stars but when I downloaded the new patch it seemed to sort it

Thanks for that. It's stars where I have the problem.

I didn't know there was a new patch. I only installed HEM about a month ago. Is the patch more recent than this?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on November 19, 2009, 01:59:37 PM
Just updated from 1.08.04 to 1.09.02

Hopefully will sort it.

Thanks again.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: RioRodent on January 09, 2010, 10:05:01 AM
Fwiw my Hud is filtered

2-3
4-6
7-9

With no overlaps, as you have pointed out there are shortfalls in most filtering system, with sample sizes and changing dynamics. I try to make an effort in game to spot stand out tight or loose stats from early levels, so i can remember that for the mid and late game.

Good post so far Tank.

I assume this was for STTs?

Do you use this or another set up for the 45-seat SnGs? Presumably the way the the table size fluctuates independant of the blinds (until the FT) makes this sort of filtering less effective?

Cheers,
RR


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 09, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
Fwiw my Hud is filtered

2-3
4-6
7-9

With no overlaps, as you have pointed out there are shortfalls in most filtering system, with sample sizes and changing dynamics. I try to make an effort in game to spot stand out tight or loose stats from early levels, so i can remember that for the mid and late game.

Good post so far Tank.

I assume this was for STTs?

Do you use this or another set up for the 45-seat SnGs? Presumably the way the the table size fluctuates independant of the blinds (until the FT) makes this sort of filtering less effective?

Cheers,
RR

Yeah now i am playing 45's i have turned my filters off, as they just aren't as accurate as you get short handed play with 2 tables left than again at the final table and sample sizes 3 handed are useless in almost all cases.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: RioRodent on January 09, 2010, 04:18:45 PM
Fwiw my Hud is filtered

2-3
4-6
7-9

With no overlaps, as you have pointed out there are shortfalls in most filtering system, with sample sizes and changing dynamics. I try to make an effort in game to spot stand out tight or loose stats from early levels, so i can remember that for the mid and late game.

Good post so far Tank.

I assume this was for STTs?

Do you use this or another set up for the 45-seat SnGs? Presumably the way the the table size fluctuates independant of the blinds (until the FT) makes this sort of filtering less effective?

Cheers,
RR

Yeah now i am playing 45's i have turned my filters off, as they just aren't as accurate as you get short handed play with 2 tables left than again at the final table and sample sizes 3 handed are useless in almost all cases.

Thanks for the reply... inspired by your staking thread, I have been having a go at the 45-man SnGs, albeit at $3.25. There may be more questions to follow!


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: ForthThistle on January 23, 2010, 02:37:17 PM
All,
           Just got the Free trial after reading and being inspired by this thread.

I only play on Stars and pretty much only play tourney $10 max.

Would apprecite any guidance in getting the most of my 15 day trial.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on January 23, 2010, 03:18:42 PM
All,
           Just got the Free trial after reading and being inspired by this thread.

I only play on Stars and pretty much only play tourney $10 max.

Would apprecite any guidance in getting the most of my 15 day trial.

Thanks.

Don't go on a 2 week holiday.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: ForthThistle on January 23, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Thanks Evil..  Noted


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: EvilPie on January 24, 2010, 07:21:07 PM
Thanks Evil..  Noted

No problem mate. Glad to be of help.

To be honest unless you play a huge volume daily you aren't really going to get much from 15 days.

You won't play enough hands against other players to be able to build any meaningful stats so don't pay too much attention to your HUD.

I'd start by just using it to review your sessions after you've finished. Just go through the big pot hands and see if there's anywhere you think you may have gone wrong.

I guess the main tip is to play as many hands as possible but don't use the HUD just yet for helping with decisions. You need at least 50 hands to be able to take any notice and a lot more to be confident of your reads.

At the end of your 15 days have a look at all the combinations of hole cards that you've been playing. It will show you which cards are losing you money the most often. You can then look at these hands to see where you went wrong or if you just ran in to coolers. You may find that you have to change the way you play small pairs from early position for example. You may find that there's particular combinations of cards that just don't work for you in certain positions so you should be folding pre.

Remember that HEM isn't just about the HUD. The most important thing for me is reviewing afterwards to try to plug leaks. Look at your vpip/pfr/3bet and see how your stats are. This will help you see if you are doing too much limping or raising in early position.

Just checked your post and I see that you play tournaments. One place where your HUD may be useful is in blind stealing when you get short. Try to look for someone who is limping 40% or more or better still raising 30% or more. These are ideal candidates for shoving over the top of to make your steals more profitable. Someone who limps 40% of pots is unlikely to call a 10 to 15 bb shove. Someone who raises 30% of pots is unlikely to call a 15 to 20 bb shove. You can just use session stats for this rather than full stats as people can play differently on different days.

Gl with it.



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: ForthThistle on January 25, 2010, 08:12:22 PM
Thanks Mate... I will give it a bash and report back..

Thanks for taking the time to post.. Much appreciated.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: DaveShoelace on February 08, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
Does HEM support Boss (ie. DTD)?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Steve Swift on February 21, 2010, 11:02:52 AM
Thanks to all who have posted on this thread on OBV respect to Tank for the topic.

Just some general questions:  I have the link from here so TY i intend to downlaod the trial. ( no way is it goner be painless form me, i don't roll that lucky )

As i play Tournies low stakes and i am one of them ai with best hand players Tank mentioned earlier, i am not sure that the hud will be of great value to me, but..... Am i right that this software can show me things like how often aa ak ect hold??

Am i also right that is shows a graph demonstratiuon how well you are running in relation to how well you should be  running!!!  God my english is pants  soz all. Or is that poker tracker.

Cheers GL all


Steve


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: smileriraq on February 21, 2010, 12:43:14 PM
great thread so far tank - you have made the transition to using the software very easy

i do have one question when i play SNG my stats are reset is this because i can view my collated stats using the software ?

also obviously as the blinds increase and the numbers dwindle how do you account for the increase in play without skewing your stats


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: titaniumbean on February 23, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
All,
           Just got the Free trial after reading and being inspired by this thread.

I only play on Stars and pretty much only play tourney $10 max.

Would apprecite any guidance in getting the most of my 15 day trial.

Thanks.

Don't go on a 2 week holiday.


This is awesome rotflmfao


WP Matt.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: dino1980 on March 28, 2010, 11:59:41 PM
Couple of quick questions:

1) Is there any column in any of the tabs that shows you on average how many tables you play at a time? I've clicked around a bit and can't find such a stat, but I'm sure PT used to have this stat

2) In the tourney>reports tab two of the columns are '$' and '$ (EV adjusted)'. The '$' column obv shows how many chips you're up or down in total, but is the '$ EV adjusted' column how many chips you theroretically should've won according to cEV? Basically am I right in thinking that if the $ev adjusted column is a higher number than the '$' column you're 'running bad'?  


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Simon Galloway on April 02, 2010, 04:29:23 PM
Basically am I right in thinking that if the $ev adjusted column is a higher number than the '$' column you're 'running bad'?  

Running bad with the cards you were dealt.  It doesn't make any allowance for the fact that your cards were significantly better or worse than an expected distribution.  I've seen players moan about getting aces cracked too often, and then on closer inspection seen that they got dealt JJ+ AQ+ 5 times an orbit.

A cursory look at the red line graph is ok once in a while to sanity-check if it is run-bad or play-bad, but some people read far too much into it imo.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: keilan303 on April 02, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
I have just moved to HEM after being a long term fan of PT (but never actually paying for it)....PT graphs are great to look at but HEM graphs look absolute balls, is there a way to tidy them up a bit?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 18, 2010, 01:37:20 AM
is anyone having problems importing files from full tilt?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Nakor on February 05, 2011, 01:10:45 PM
Just found this thread - two quick questions as I am mid session.

1)How do I get the HUD to display full database stats and not just the comp or table you are currently at or in?
2)How do you turn off the display of the previous hand?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Bully87 on April 08, 2011, 02:08:04 AM
Not long got this, quality piece of kit. Exposes my (many) flaws in my game. Well worth the money!


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Junior Senior on June 27, 2011, 11:26:21 PM
good thread - thanks! certainly a starter for 10..

ps... where is tank these days?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: thetank on June 28, 2011, 11:09:46 PM
Not so much me and the pokers these days.

Single mans game innit


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Junior Senior on June 28, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
sick... i've got a chick brag....
:-)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Pinchop73 on July 06, 2011, 09:27:00 AM
Hi.

I've recently started using this for my ssmtt adventures. I wonder if anybody could help.

When the HUD stats come up for the players at the table, they're totally scrambled up, with one persons stats next to anothers and vice versa.

I've been moving the stats around, bit its awfully infuriating doing this as I get moved tables like every 5mins. The main issue is of course that I end up spending more time organising stats into their correct locations than I do concentrating on playing poker!

Is there anything I can do so that the stat box for each player loads into the correct location everytime? Or do I just say fuck it and leave them where they load in?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on July 06, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Go to the table manager then file and click save position.

That should make the stats pop up in the same place every time.



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Junior Senior on July 07, 2011, 12:21:01 AM
when i am multi tabling and move seat the stats don't follow me.  in fact moving seats in general seems to confuse it.  If i move one box's location on one table then it moves that box on the others so they all end up all over the place. - any help?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Junior Senior on July 07, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
also what does the WYSIWYG check box do?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Pharo on July 07, 2011, 12:50:10 AM
also what does the WYSIWYG check box do?

It stands for What You See Is What You Get. it does this:

Quote
If i move one box's location on one table then it moves that box on the others so they all end up all over the place.


Not sure about your other question. Have you set up your hero names? (HUD Options>Setup Hero Names...)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Junior Senior on July 07, 2011, 01:35:34 AM
also what does the WYSIWYG check box do?

It stands for What You See Is What You Get. it does this:

Quote
If i move one box's location on one table then it moves that box on the others so they all end up all over the place.


Not sure about your other question. Have you set up your hero names? (HUD Options>Setup Hero Names...)


Hi, thanks.  I know what WYSIWYG stands for but what does it actually do?


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Pharo on July 07, 2011, 01:52:18 AM
It moves the boxes on the other tables so they all end up all over the place!


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Junior Senior on July 07, 2011, 02:44:22 PM
It moves the boxes on the other tables so they all end up all over the place!
#

so it does - turned it off now.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 06, 2012, 02:15:56 AM
Has anyone tried HEM2?

I am holding off until they have ironed out the bugs in it, the graphs look ugly as hell as well!



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Longy on January 06, 2012, 06:55:06 PM
Longy,

I saw that you had uploaded your entire HH to HEM by requesting from stars...and now I have done similar. I have only had HEM for the last 6 months or so. I cannot envisage any problems with uploading hands from before this period HOWEVER...if I upload hands from the last 6 months would HEM recognise that they were duplicates??

Many thanks

Yeah HEM will recognise, that you have duplicate hands and will not import them twice into your db.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 06, 2012, 09:36:34 PM
how do u switch off hud?

kinda bad when using it for boss


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 06, 2012, 11:01:27 PM
how do u switch off hud?

kinda bad when using it for boss
Does yours 'stick' too?? Mine doesn't seem to be able to track players as they enter/leave the table and I usually end up with junk from old players...
+
+
yup cant find a way to switch it off


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: strak33 on January 10, 2012, 04:40:43 PM
Ok here goes.

I am not good with all these sorts of things but i want/need a PLO tracker for cash games.

I am not sure if i want a HUD since it looks like it will clutter tables when 8 tabling but i do want something like pokertracker i think?

Basically i want to be able to store all my HH and review my stats etc with graphs and all that.

Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

Playing on pacific network at the moment dont know if that makes a difference.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: strak33 on January 10, 2012, 04:41:07 PM
Just realised this might be in wrong place sorry if it is.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: AndrewT on January 10, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
Holdem Manager also have an Omaha version.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: strak33 on January 10, 2012, 07:58:48 PM
Tried to trial holdem manager earlier failed at the first when it couldnt find PostreSQL or something like that. Trouble shoot that it told me to do didnt help.



Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: ForthThistle on January 13, 2012, 08:18:17 PM
All,
       Anyone know how to have the stats of all players at the table form ALL sessions.

When i start the HUD up it only shows me stats from the session in progress not any previous hands i have played with them on previous sessions. :dontask: :dontask:

Any help would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: ForthThistle on January 17, 2012, 05:37:03 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bump....


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 17, 2012, 06:09:44 PM
Ok here goes.

I am not good with all these sorts of things but i want/need a PLO tracker for cash games.

I am not sure if i want a HUD since it looks like it will clutter tables when 8 tabling but i do want something like pokertracker i think?

Basically i want to be able to store all my HH and review my stats etc with graphs and all that.

Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

Playing on pacific network at the moment dont know if that makes a difference.

The way I do it using HOLDEM MANAGER it has a app called "Table Manager" which opens as a small window automatically when your HUD loads, it lists all the tables you currently have running and next to each one is a tick box which is to display or not display the HUD, I dont have my HUD up all the time, but as soon as I need it I just select the table and up it pops


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: Lemon_squeeeze on February 16, 2012, 08:56:24 PM
Found this thread very helpful thanks :)


Title: Re: Beginners guide to Holdem Manager
Post by: horseplayer on May 10, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
thanks for this

i have just re activated an old copy of hem i bought ages ago

despite reading this thread 4 times and the hem support forum i still cant figure out how to even get the hands to import correctly!

if anybody could have an old technophobe it would be greatly appreciated

thanks