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Play begins at 2pm as we battle down from 56 players to the final 9...

Who are your? Pick three, one big stack (over 60k), a medium stack (over 30k) and a small stack (under 30k).

Mine are Andreas Hoivold, Jack Powell and Nicky Evans.

Day 1a

Dinh Doat Le 83075
 Ramsey Ajram 77025
 Bernard Litman 70850
 Priyan De Mel 60425
 Kjetil Naess 53175
 Jon Omara 49050
 Ian Frazer 48750
 James Fuller 48300
 Jack Powell 42425
 Nathan Lee 39950
 Keir Ratcliff 39550
 Michael Ellis 38150
 Cuong Tran 37250
 Matt Perrins 36875
 Stephen Kirk 30500
 Michael Greco 29400
 David Johnson 29400
 Andrew Miles 29250
 Philippa Flanders 28175
 Ryan Fronda 26575
 Paul Lammas 23950
 Robert Winkworth 23375
 David Rudling 23000
 Daniel Toffel 21900
 Michael Wernick 20625
 Timothy Flanders 20075
 Antony Phillips 12250
 Marc Goodwin 10325

Day 1b

Iwan Jones  - 114775
Mohamed Muse  - 109950
Andreas Hoivold  - 108125
Nicholas Holbrook  - 107250
Craig Bignall  - 100450
Ian Woodley  - 84000
Steve Jelinek  - 52050
Mark Wilson  - 51375
Richard Lewidon  - 51125
Julian Thew  - 46875
Paul King  - 45500
Christopher Cousins  - 44600
Kirit Patel  - 40325
Jerome Oshea  - 39775
Kerry Taylor  - 38925
Warren Wooldridge  - 34725
James Sudworth  - 33150
Gary Cooper  - 32925
Martyn Cavanagh  - 32700
Nicky Lee Evans  - 29725
Ewan Le Marquand  - 24225
Alan Trueick  - 21225
Panicos Ellinas  - 19725
Simon Wickenden  - 17825
Will Kassouf  - 10125
Sami Yusuf  - 9450

go ooooooooooon nicky.

KERRY TAYLOR.......STEVE JELLYNECK.......IWAN JONES........MICKY ELLIS.........IAN FRAZER..........NATHEN LEE

RYAN FRONDA........MICKY WERNICK..........JULIAN THEW..........AND MY CHOICE FOR THE WINNER  IAN WOODLEY

not only are they all big dangers but all over 33yrs old

thanks very much for these updates,they are a godsend for us poor fookers who for one reason or the other cant be there.

goooooooooo  NICKY MFKIN EVANSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Woodley, Thewy and Dave Johnsony for me

Hoivold, Thewy and my housemate Nicky Evans for me.

Nicky is definitely one of the top up and coming young players around to my mind. His record in live tournaments considering the relatively small volume he has played is ridiculously good.

Plus he's the hardest man I know who cries watching X Factor.

After losing that 80k pot with a set of Aces yesterday, he is in surprisingly good spirits coming back with 25 BB which he is well capable of grafting into a challenging stack.

Fear the Evans IMO.

(http://blondepoker.com/blondepedia/images/photos/photo_9519.jpg)

Shameless 'i know nicky evans' brag imo

done a book for day 2. hope to take some ££££££££

hmmmmmm.....

[ ]this is true!

[ ] rod would know, he has been up b4 11pm in the past 4 months!

where are the prices Trigg you degen!?!

Priyan De Mel ,
Christopher Cousins ,
Nicky Lee Evans,

aint got a danny who they are.....

in my pocket, wont have time to write them out here before i head down.

ive just done prices to final and last longer match bets..oh and age of winner u can ring me if u want a bet.

gl to Tony phillips,Julian Thew and Nicky

btw JC has been spying on trigg all night......

he just bursts into my room and says "mate i nearlly went blind last night, went downstairs to get a drink and there was a naked beached whale unconscious on the sofa"

shame on u JC and trigg! no shame imo.......

Priyan good aggro

Chris, local, useful won't get intimidated one of the best local boys, for sure the most improved over the last year or 2.

Nick, best stable manager in the country, runs ridic good live, can't win HU to save his life.

cheers :)up


 good choice then..

Love to see Thewy or Iwan Jones win it.

Just been through list to see how many under 31 year olds there are in there ;)

Come on trigg - get this book up :)

[  ] it put me in the mood for a bacon sandwich.

Good work getting this picture of the stable btw flops.

(http://blondepoker.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24691&g2_serialNumber=2)

Excellent Pic,

Knave isnt in the stable and Rich & I are, but i think this kind of makes it funnier.

what about Kjetil Naess - the guy who said you were the best tournament player he had ever seen?

Finally decided to join Blonde. Anyway good luck to Ramsey, Tony, Mike Ellis and Andreas.

James Mitchell

jon o'mara ftw imo, and also to tilt the most people

Players are debagging the chips now.

Seating Plan

1/1 Michael Ellis
1/2 Mark Wilson
1/3 Warren Wooldridge
1/4 Kirit Patel
1/5 Robert Winkworth
1/6 Richard Lewidon
1/7 Nathan Lee
1/8 Gary Cooper
1/9 Panicos Ellinas

2/1 Kerry Taylor
2/2 Ramsey Ajram
2/3 Simon Wickenden
2/4 Ryan Fronda
2/5 Steve Jelinek
2/6 Jon Omara
2/7 James Fuller
2/8 David Rudling
2/9 Andy Miles

3/1 Alan Trueick
3/2 Marc Goodwin
3/3 Kjetil Naess
3/4 Julian Thew
3/5 Christopher Cousins
3/6 Ewan Le Marquand
3/7 James Sudworth
3/8 Matt Perrins
3/9 Craig Brignall

4/1 Tim Flanders
4/2 Pippa Flanders
4/3 Dinh Doat Le
4/4 Andreas Hoivold
4/5 Iwan Jones
4/6 Mickey Wernick
4/7 Ian Woodley
4/8 Tony Phillips
4/9 Nicky Evans

5/1 Keir Ratcliff
5/2 Ian Frazer
5/3 Cuong Tran
5/4 Bernard Litman
5/5 Martyn Cavanagh
5/6 Sami Yusuf
5/7 Jerome O'Shea
5/8 Mo Muse
5/9 Paul Lammas

6/1 Michael Greco
6/2 Daniel Toffel
6/3 Stephen Kirk
6/4 Will Kassouf
6/5 Jack Powell
6/6 Priyan De Mel
6/7 Paul King
6/8 David Johnson
6/9 Nicholas Holbrook

Wow tough table

4/1 Tim Flanders
4/2 Pippa Flanders
4/3 Dinh Doat Le
4/4 Andreas Hoivold
4/5 Iwan Jones
4/6 Mickey Wernick
4/7 Ian Woodley
4/8 Tony Phillips
4/9 Nicky Evans

 ;welcome;

Geo

 :hello: and  ;welcome; to the Nut House!

Incidentally 22 players will be paid.

OBV....go on my son!!!!

Marc Goodwin pushes from the button and Julian Thew calls in the big blind.

Thew: Ac 7d

Goodwin: Qh 8h

5h 9c 4h Th Jd

Goodwin up to 20k.

"I can take my coat off now."

Marc Goodwin can now put his coat back on.

Alan Trueick raises to 4k, Goodwin moves all-in. Call.

Trueick: Th Ts

Goodwin: Ks Kd

3c 8c Td 3h 2h

OUCH!!!  That's harsh.

Sick- is it me or does Goodwin always seem to run bad??? (I know he's won an event or two but the amount of times I see him coolered or suffer bad beat is amazing)

Come on Paul King and James Sudworth (nothing to do with my bets with Trigg obv)

+1

Julian Thew is out.

He raises to 3,200 in mid position, Matt Perrins in the small blind makes it 10,000. Thewy calls.

Ks 8d 6d

Perrins bets 7,600. Thewy moves in for about 25,000. A quick call.

Perrins: Ad Kh

Thewy: Qd Jd

Turn: 7h

River: 3c

Perrins has Thew just covered and knocks him out.

Overheard Iwan (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=180) Jones (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=180) tell Andy (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=32) Miles (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=32) about a hand between himself and Tim (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=433) Flanders (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=433), something about Iwan having missed with 2c 3c and betting the river on a J-T-9-Q-4 board with two clubs and getting called by Tim (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=433) Flanders (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=433)' 7-6... That darn diddly Flanders thought he had been holding 8-7...

Lol, love the picture.

What are the payouts?

1st -- £70,520
2nd -- £43,480
3rd -- £28,790
4th -- £18,560
5th -- £13,860
6th -- £11,520
7th -- £9,160
8th -- £6,820
9th -- £4,700
10th -- £3,520
11th -- £2,940
12th to 14th -- £2,350
15th to 22nd -- £1,760

David Johnson raises to 3,800 UTG. Nicholas Holbrook calls next to him.

Th 6s 2c

Bet, raise, all-in, call.

Johnson: Kc Ks

Holbrook: Tc Td

Turn: 6h

River: 7s

Holbrook scalps another.

Paul Lammas looks to be another early casualty.

Table of dooooooom.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Legion_of_Doom.jpg)

Oops, sorry that's the Legion of Doom. My bad. Although the guy third from the left does look like Ian Woodley. Here's the real table.

(http://blondepoker.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24692&g2_serialNumber=1)

What a rush it must be to be on that table.

Tony Phillips and Warren Wooldridge are both out.

Andreas Hoivold raises to 3,100. Nicky Evans moves in for 20,800. Pippa Flanders moves in behind from the big blind for 12,000. Hoivold folds.

Evans: 9h 8s

Flanders Ahrt Ac

Kd 2s 4d Qd 3c

Evans down to 8k. Flanders up to 25k.

Next hand, Hoivold raises to 3,100 UTG. Evans moves all-in. Autocall.

Hoivold: Qs Qd

Evans: Kh Kd

3d 2d 9s 8c 8d

Flushy, "Why couldn't we have that board last time?"

lol wp sir. ;applause;

Nicky Evans is out. He pushed with Ad 6s and Dinh Doat Le called flipping the Ahrt and then the Kd...

3s 8d Qs Jd 2s

Gary Cooper has doubled through Mark Wilson with the old Aces vs Kings.

what happened to tony phillips........ exit hand please

Is the young lad nicky evans a local ? does he call himself THE FISH ?

He started off short and got knocked out by Ian Woodley. He only had 10BB's coming today. I didn't see the hand.

more updates on dinh doat le pls guy thank you

On a 9d 6c 3s board, it's checked to original raiser Pippa Flanders who moves in for 25k into a pot of about 15k. Ajram Ramsey calls and Will Kassouf (who I liken to being a young Albert Sapiano) folds.

Ramsey: 6d 6c

Flanders: Ahrt Qh and drawing dead.

Ramsey over the 100k mark. Flanders, P is out.

HE CANT BE LIKE ALBERT.......HE IS ON HIS OWN !!!

any update on jon omara

 It's actually Ramsey (1st name) Ajram (2nd name). tell him I was only 5th so now I'm watching and relying on him please Chris.

nc

Mickey Wernick is out. Pushed UTG for about 9k/10k, Andreas Hoivold reraised in the small blind to force big blind Paul King out.

Hoivold: Aspades Kh

Wernick: Td Ts

Qd Qc Kc 5d 9h


On the far table, Ian Frazer bets 4.4k on the 6h Qs 2h 7h board, Mo Muse asks how much he has left, it's around 30k. Muse just calls and then calls 8k more on the Ad river. Frazer flips Ahrt 4h for the nuts.

Dinh Doat Le -- 110k (next to Andreas Hoivold on a similar amount)

(http://blondepoker.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24694&g2_serialNumber=1)

Noted. Stupid seating sheets.

all in pre

Tony  Ad 8h
Woodley  Kc Js

board  Kd 3d 6d Jc Jd

Jon Omara -- 42k

Ramsey Ajram has dropped to about 60k after Will Kassouf called his raise with Kh 4h against Ajram's Ahrt Tc and they proceeded to get it in on a Jh 8h 7h. Bricks on the turn and river and Kassouf, who folds maybe once an orbit, is up to 90k as a result.

Geek! (http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/images/smilies/geek.gif)

Good luck in the million NEIL !!!  YOU KEED TO BE 3RD TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK

hey snoopy u still down for the challenge we talked about at dtd?

 Thanks Steve. Been in Melbourne less than 72 hrs and played two tournaments. twelve hour day in the first one to miss the money by a few spots. twelve hour day in the bounty tournament yesterday. Came back as one of the lowest stacks of 32, made the final eight second in chips, went to chip leader and then lost for pots and went out 5th for $31k Aussie.

 I think I need at least a third from Ramsey to get me out of it in Brighton. At least making the final meant I wasn't free to play the $100k event today. They're down to six and four get paid.

After 3-betting Paul King's button raise from the big blind, getting King to relinquish deuces, Ramsey Ajram reraised Mike Ellis' 4.7k EP raise to 12.9k. Ellis moved in for addition 20k or so and Ajram snap-called.

Ajram: Kd Kc

Ellis: Ad Td

Kh 3d Ts 5c Jd

Ajram back over the 100k mark.

Unlucky Neil, which day are you playing in the main event? Also I still haven't decided if I'll go to Deauville, but I'll let you know.

James Mitchell

Neil, you gotta slow down.......well done on the 5th place........... at least someone in your little firms doing there bit a,
starts 2morra down there dont it ??? i see you are 200-1

Yes, currently revising via my VHS collection. I didn't do this much work for my degree.

good you will need to work hard,Joe is gonna crush you imo

 
 Hi James. Got to play tomorrow or Monday if I want to also play the heads-up tournie. I'll probably spend tomorrow attempting to get rid of this flu I keep thinking has gone when I wake up (felt really rough throughout that final), and play Monday.

 Let me know about deaville. Hope you're doing ok.

Players are now on a break.

Will Kassouf limps for 1,600. Tim Flanders makes it 4,000 which causes some of the quickest passing seen since the Brazilian World Cup team of 1970. Kassouf calls.

7s 5h 7d

Check, check.

8d

Kassouf bets 7,500. Flanders moves in for 25,900 more. Kassouf thinks long and hard, speculating on if Flanders would raise with 8-7 or 9-6. He folds. Flanders shows Ac Aspades.

As the great Pete Tong would say, "We continue..."

Floppy please pass on best wishes to Iwan - one time big man!!

Kjetil Naess has doubled up through Matt Perrins with Jacks against Ace King.

Perrins then knocked out Christopher Cousins and Ewan Le Marquand, both of whom pushed preflop with Ac 6c and Jc Jd respectively. Perrins handily finding Aspades Ahrt at the right moment which held on the Ks 7s 6h 5s 9d board.

Paul King limps UTG for 2k, Ramsey Ajram raises to 7.7k two seats down. Next to him, Will Kassouf raises to 21k, it's passed around back to Ajram who thinks for ages before 4betting to 71k. Kassouf looks pained and begins to think saying, "Well I know I've got the second best hand at the moment..."

That doesn't stop him folding though, he continues to think for ages. Paul Lammas says to me, "I wouldn't be surprised if he has Kings here," this alludes to the fact earlier, apparently he practically slowrolled against Ramsey with Kh 4h on the Jh 8h 7h taking ages to call all-in.

Ian Woodley, gets annoyed with how long it's taking and calls a clock. With 30 seconds left Kassouf folds Ks Kh face up, but before the rail can contemplate what's happening, the table is broken and everyone heads to a different table.

Snoops you said Kassouf was like albert.....albert could never and i mean never pass kk

Kirit Patel has been knocked out by Richard Lewidon, his A-9 failing to hit against T-T.

Nicholas Holbrook raises to 4,600 from early position and Steve Jelinek calls from the cut-off.

Qh Ad 3d

Check check.

Tc

Holbrook bets a smallish 3.5k, slightly odd look from Jelinek, but he calls.

Jh

Holbrook thinks for about 10 seconds and checks. Jelinek quickly fires out 10k. Holbrook tanks for a bit before folding Aspades face up, Jelinek shows 5h 5s.

Yeah, Snoops, what were you thinking? ???

hi flops, update on mo muse please.

Is James Fuller still in? How's he doing?

Alex.... still alive then?

Mo Muse is good news surely?

He's on about 75k, but just folded a button raise to a repop from Jack Powell in the big blind.

Priyan De Mel has doubled through Iwan Jones to about 80k with Ahrt Kd vs 9d 9c, all-in preflop.

A board of binkage for De Mel, coming Jc Ks 4h 7c 8d.

Daniel Toffel is out.

On a 5s Ac 6s Aspades 6c board, Kjetil Naess calls a bet from Panicos Ellinas. Ellinas shows 6h 6d. "Is that all?" says the Norwegian as he mucks.

Hi Flops,

belated thanks for the pic of Rich Lewindon yesterday - more please if possible purely for the fact that he looked really uncomfortable at you taking it! any chance of his chip count if you can plz.

Great updates as usual.

hi flops - great updates. Is James sudworth still in?

Mo Muse has about 100k still, I've not seen him in many pots so far today, but I'm reliably informed he is a nutter. :)

Jon Omara is out. James Sudworth raises the button to 4,600 and Omara moves in for 13.4k more. Reluctant but eventual call.

Omara, "What have you got?"

Sudworth, "Just a rag ace. A-5. You?"

Omara, "I've only looked at one..."

It's play your cards right time, higher than a five? A squeeze from Omara.....Oh dear, he has A-2.

7c Aspades 5s Jh 5d

Omara is hence eliminated by the similarly short stacked Sudworth.

"At least he didn't have A-7..." said Iwan Jones.

About 44k. Pictures to follow, the camera battery needed recharging, it usually lasts two and a bit days at an update.

Goooooooooooo Jack aka Doc fun.       ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;

Any update on his stack guys?

hey flops

Any chance of a count on Martin Cavanagh please?

gl finalling james sudworth! :D

Couple of big hits for Ian Frazer.

First he calls a raise from James Sudworth and calls a 10k bet on the Qd 3h Ts flop.

Sudworth checks the Td turn and Frazer bets 15k, Sudworth moves in for another 26k and Frazer eventually folds. Sudworth shows Ahrt Ac.

A couple of hands later and Frazer raises from the cutoff with Nathan Lee calling from the blinds.

Td Qs Js

Lee leads out for 5k, call.

6c

Check. Frazer now bets 12k and Lee calls.

6s

Lee checks dark and says, "I'm calling anything." Frazer, "I might want you to call!" He checks though.

Lee shows Ac Jc, it's good.

Paul King is out. Jh 9h from the button into Will Kassouf's Aspades Kh.

Bit of a long post coming up.

Is Nick Evans still in?

Involving TD ruling, Ian Frazer and Prian?

Steve, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Are you sure it wasn't something NoflopsHomer said?

You're not boozing are you?

So there's a board of Ahrt Ts 7d Ad 3d and Ian Frazer has moved all-in.

Priyan De Mel says, "I've got to call you."

Now, Iwan Jones says because of a situation yesterday involving Dubai apparently saying something similar, that's binding as a call. Either Jones or Frazer calls for a ruling, I don't know which, it all happened so fast.

Anyway, TD Ian comes over and declares it is binding as a call and Priyan is forced to call with 7s 5c, obviously something he didn't want to do as Frazer had Aspades 9d to win the pot.

But Priyan De Mel has taken exception to what he perceives was Iwan Jones getting involved in the hand. After the ruling was made, Priyan and Iwan continued to row, Priyan clearly miffed about losing the pot and the ruling decision and Jones' involvement when he's not in the hand.

(http://blondepoker.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24696&g2_serialNumber=1)

The two continue to argue over the next couple of hands, so much so that TD Ian has to come back and say that they have to stop arguing otherwise they'll get a penalty. The ruling has been made and they are not allowed to discuss it anymore.

(http://blondepoker.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24698&g2_serialNumber=1)

Eventually we get back to playing poker but I still think there's a fair amount of ill-feeling involved.

Oh, and Ian Frazer doubled up to about 60k/70k, in case you forgot!

Do you have a DeLorean?

No, went out earlier. A-6 into Dinh Doat Le's A-K

Something like that ;)

Sorry, during all the fracas. He limp shoved A-5 into A-K for 24BB's, blind on blind.

According to TD Ian, this would also be binding if a ruling was called.

This does forces more responsibility on the players to keep the rules consistent.

My advice is simply that people just shouldn't say anything!

Martyn (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=270) Cavanagh (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=270) -- 35k

Richard Lewindon has doubled through Ian (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=173) Frazer (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=173) with Ac Jc against 9c 9s on an Ad 4c Ks 5d 8h to about 80k. Frazer is now almost as grumpy as Priyan De Mel...

Richard Lewindon doubles up again, through Iwan (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=180) Jones (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=180) with Ks Kd vs Ac Aspades

Board: 6c Ts Kh 4c Jh

Lewindon has about 140k, Jones down to just 20k.

(http://blondepoker.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24700&g2_serialNumber=1)

gogogogo Ramsey

45 minute dinner break

im sure u'll find that the killer in ure face is richard lewindon not lewingdon. WHATS UP LEWI SHIP THIS 1/1

Iwan Jones asked if I would post that the TD said he did absolutely nothing wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                             
Sorry snoops it was your mate flops. still cant get over how one could compare anyone to alberto.

i wish i had been drinking.

Chip Counts courtesy of Jon Raab.

1   1   James (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) Sudworth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189)   83000
1   2   Bernard (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48) Litman (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48)   149400
1   3   Priyan De Mel   45800
1   4   Ian (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=173) Frazer (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=173)   42500
1   5   Michael (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=279) Greco (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=279)   23500
1   6   Richard Lewidon   149300
1   7   Nathan Lee   144300
1   8   Gary Cooper   96700
1   9   Iwan (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=180) Jones (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=180)   17800

2   1   Kerry (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1869) Taylor (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1869)   94400
2   2   Nicholas Holbrook   184100
2   3   Andreas (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) Hoivold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467)   106300
2   4   Tim (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=433) Flanders (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=433)   114900
2   6   Dinh Doat Le   137400
2   7   James Fuller   41900
2   8   Keir Ratcliff   117400
2   9   Martyn (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=270) Cavanagh (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=270)   43300

3   1   Alan Trueick   42500
3   3   Kjetil Naess   98600
3   4   Ian (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=176) Woodley (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=176)   44300
3   5   Ramsey Arjam   190600
3   6   Will (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1844) Kassouf (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1844)   45200
3   7   Mohamed Muse   92500
3   8   Matt Perrins   170300
3   9   Craig Brignall   81400

Hats off to Iwan Jones. Alot of players would think "it doesn't involve me, I shouldn't say anything." However, is a situation where Frazer obviously cannot say anything himself as it may give something away, and Iwan is good enough to recgonise this, know for sure what is fair, and his intervention there is a real help.

If you are an experienced player, you just KNOW you cannot say anything like "I've got to call you," as an innocent remark.

Wp Mr Jones

Is Trigg starting to sweat it or is the book evening itself out?

I dunno this is tricky spot personally i dont like someone getting involved in a hand that he/she ist in but i also realise a seasoned pro shouldt be sayin ive got to call you. He obv was sayin this for some reaction but i dont think he'll be doing it again in a hurry lol

Lets have some of Nick 'the riverdog' holbrook hands guys. you've not listed any yet he's got 180k!!!

go nick and pri 'the ruling' demel

My take on it is that Iwan is only doing that as he's a really good guy with a sense of fair play, and knew what was right in the situation.

He realises that Frazer is tongue tied in the situation (whatever he says could give something away), and so knew that a third party had to flag it up to the TD. The TD doesn't have to take Iwan's word on its own, but calling him over now allows the TD to hear the story from three parties that he should listen to- that is Frazer, Priam, and the dealer.

In a ideal world, the dealer would have the confidence to either make a ruling himself straight away or call the TD straight away, but that does not happen at the GUKPT. Iwan Jones wasn't giving an opinion about an ambiguos situation, it was very clear what had happened. He knew he was flagging up something that was blatantly unfair, and that the right outcome might be lost in confusion if he didn't say so.


He won't have wanted to at all, as it's not in anyone's interests to have a charged atmosphere at the table, but was brave enough to do the right thing.

Iwan is a friend, and its his option to call for a rule from the tourny/d,but i think ian frazer should have asked if he felt it was a call verbal.

Iwan Jones has pushed 3 times but yet to be called.

James Fuller pushes from the button. Martyn Cavangh calls for most of his stack.

Fuller: Tc 8s

Cavanagh: Ahrt Ts

Aspades 7s Ac 7h 5h

Fuller OUT.

Alan Trueick knocks out Ian Woodley soon after with Ahrt Kh vs Kc 6d with a Td 3h 9c 8h 5d board.

Stop! Bubbletime!

;mc;

i disagree, because ure assuming jones has nothing to gain from teh call being enforced. before i say anything, i dont know jones at all and have no knowledge of his character.

 how do u know that he doesnt call the floor selectively in this spot, for only the times when it benefits him? people say stuff like that all the time, but if he finds a spot where he thinks priam is just saying it to say it, but no he can angleshoot an enforced call and have a good player lose chips then its to his benefit. he's a player in the game, at the table in a tournamnet where every pot that happens affects his tournament. its not like hes just some innocent party thats on a brigade to enforce the rules to the letter, he has an active interest in the hand even tho hes not in it.

Priyan De Mel is the bubble, he pushed with A-Q from the button and Ian Frazer called with 6-6. No help for either and everyone is in the money now...

Like you say - you don't known "Jones"

Im not saying what Jones did was right or wrong but surely poker etiquette dictates that if you're not in the hand you shouldn't be talking?

De Mel should know better making such statements- Frazier should have called for the ruling if he believed it to be a call

With the board reading 8d 4s Qh 2h Js, Mo Muse checks to Ramsay Ajram who bets 15,500 into a pot of around 40,000. Muse, who is in an awkward spot on the table given that he hardly has any space to keep his chips behind the line, tells the dealer, "I'm just going to count them ok?" before pushing the chips in front of the line and duly counting out his stack.

"Has he called?" said Ajram, looking a tiny bit uncomfortable and the dealer shakes his head. Muse hasn't seen this change in body language, but duly then makes the call.

A disappointed Ajram says, "One pair," turning over Kc 2c. Muse scoops the pot with 8d 6s.

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I believe Frazer and Jones both called for a ruling.

Michael Greco has doubled his short 17k stack through Richard Lewindon (Got out of the habit of putting the 'g' in).

Lewindon: Aspades Ts

Greco: Ahrt Js

7d 4c 6s 2c Kh

It's only a drop in the ocean of Lewindon's stack who is still very comfortable near the top of the chip counts. Greco moves from a micro-short stack to a short stack.

It dont matter whatever people think,the one thing for sure is, the rules of poker state the final word is that of the t/d,and any player on the table is entitled to call for him/her.

Iwan Jones is out, he pushed in with Ks Qc and got called by Richard Lewindon's Ad Kd.

9d 5s 8s 6d Js

All the chips Lewindon just lost to Greco, he's gained back, plus an extra 10k more.

Jams Sudworth chip count pls noflops?

Excellent job as usual

ok sure. so ure implying that jones is squeeky clean, would never have an ill thought, would only say something here because deep in his soul he wants the correct decision to be made and has no thought whatsoever of the effect of the ruling, and he would do the same if it meant that it would actually cost him chips or put him in a much worse spot for later in the tournament

What Iwan did here is clearly the right thing to do, as shown by the TD's decision. What if he doesn't intervene? Then the wrong ruling would almost certainly have been reached. The rules are there and were applied correctly on this occassion because of Iwan's intervention. It's unfortunate for Priyan obviously but hard to criticise Iwan.

Yes but probably not in so many words ;)

Even though a player might not be involved in this particular hand I say he has every right to clarify exactly what the TD's views are because the outcome could affect ALL players in any future hand should the situation arise again. He's not in the hand but he's in the game. He's asking for clarification of the official ruling not for permission to sleep with the other guy's wife. And the only reason he has to do this is cos the dealer is probably staring into space and dribbling over the cards rather than tuning into the fecking game.

One thing I do know for certain - if Iwan wanted to protect his position as you may be implying the last person he would want to see "gifted" chips so near the bubble is the super aggressive Ian Frazer.

Ramsey Ajram raises to 7.7k but folds to the 19.6k reraise from Matt Perrins.

Andreas Hoivold raises to 7.2k and get a call from Martyn Cavanagh in the big blind, but Cavanagh folds to a suspiciously small 6.8k bet on the Ahrt Qd Qs flop.

Michael Greco has doubled up again, through Ian Frazer this time. Aspades Qd vs Ahrt Jd with the board coming J-K-Q-K-2, suddenly he seems a lot happier.

i lold

Probably about 110k.

are you folding or asking foe the lords advice ?

blinds 1.5k/3k (200) everyone folds to Priyan in SB he calls with  7s 5c and Ian checks in BB

 Ad 7d 3d

Priyan 4k, Ian calls

 Tc

Priyan check, Ian 4k, Priyan call

 Aspades

Priyan checks, Ian is thinking what to bet and Priyan says ''I'll have to call''

Now a ruling is called and TD says ''yes its binding, whatever he bets you have to call'' so Ian moves in 37k into like 24k pot and Priyan forced to call, sounds a bit harsh to me.

wow    didnt learn

meanwhilst glglglglglg to Kerry, Nicholas, Dinh, Kier, Martyn, Andreas

and Ramsey FTW!

Our remaining 3 tables (I manage to blind Ian Frazer with the flash in the middle one):

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that looks a nice stack in front of nathen lee

Is this the same hand? Does sound a bit harsh. Isn't this just table talk?

Keir Ratcliff pushes for 66k over the top of Dinh Doat Le's 16k raise but doesn't get a call.

The next hand Ratcliff himself raises and Tim Flanders pushes in the big blind, instantly getting called.

Flanders: Ac 9c

Ratcliff: Ad Aspades

2c 7h 2s 8h 7d

Flanders out in 20th place.

It's about 170k

how many runners in £250 freezeout?

Yep same hand, Priyan not too bothered about Ian taking full advantage of the ruling, just annoyed someone else called for the ruling even though no betting had taken place on the river.

;bp;

Probably biggest of the comp.

Bernard Litman raises from the button and Ramsey Ajram calls in the big blind.

Kc 3s Ks

Check, Bernard bets 15k. Call.

8c

Check, Bernard bets 40k. Another call.

6c

Check for a third time from Ramsey. Bernard bets 45k. Ramsey calls again.

Bernard shows Kd 8s to win a 200k+ pot.

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If he says, "I might have to call," he gives himself an out. "I have to call," is a definitive statement.

The lighting in that casino is so dull,but there again theres a few dodgy little rooms in brighton.

Dinh Doat Le limps in on the cut-off and Martyn Cavanagh completes the small blind. Alan Trueick raises an additional 25,000 from the big blind and Le moves all-in for about 100,000. Cavanagh folds and Trueick calls with Ahrt Qh, in fine shape vs Le's Qd Td. No help for either and Le gets knocked down to just 3.6k with Trueick hitting the 200k mark.

Le gets knocked out by Keir Ratcliffe in the next hand.

We're down to 2 tables, as Ramsey Ajram takes out Will Kassouf with 6-2 vs A-Q.

This is a fucking ridiculous ruling by the TD.

Unless the rule that any table talk goes has changed in 2009 Priyan has been robbed.

And for someone not involved in the pot to ask for the ruling makes it even worse (if that's possible).

Agree 1,000,000 % great post.

Jones should concentrate on HIS hands and De Mel should keep quiet, but the onus was on Frazer to ask for a ruling, not one of his buddies. I also think it was a very poor decision by the TD, but he has the final say.

True.

I've often heard ''be careful, I'll call'' or ''i'll call you'' etc usually from someone trying to deter the other guy from betting but have then seen them pass. I guess it was just one of those situations and usually Ian would have bet like 10-15k and Priyan would have probably called, just unfortunate there was a big ruling called and he had to call a 37k shove.

I've only played with Iwan a couple of times but he's struck me as being about as straight a guy you'd ever wish to meet. That's probably what this ultimately boils down to imo

As I said, play your own hands. End off

Any up dates on Richard lewindon?
The guys a KILLA!!

I spose you have to be careful with these statements but I've heard plenty of table banter like this in the past and no one has ever involved a TD.

Martyn Cavanagh raises to 11k from early position. Andreas Hoivold makes it 27k a couple of seats down, passed back to Martyn who gives Andreas a long stare. Andreas gives him a friendly wave back. Cavangh calls.

Qs Qh 7c

Check from the Welshman, Hoivold bets 23k. Cavangh quickly moves in. Hoivold calls just as fast, turning over Ahrt Qd, Cavanagh flips Jh Jc.

4s

7s

Hoivold has another 86k or so back, just covering his opponent and Martyn Cavanagh is knocked out.

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agree with camel how can u be forced?u can alsp say i cant fold that hand  does it mean u have to all?balloxs every casino have shity rules that makes me sick

camel ,west ham rule

Get it quietly Steve!

I think it's unfair to chastise a player for calling a ruling despite not being a hand. If people want clarifications on anything, I don't see how it's bad etiquette.

I DID

And it's very easy to be robbed if you leave your front door wide open.

He's on about 130k

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It's obviously a crazy ruling, this isn't how is was reported earlier though. The initial report said Frazer shoved after the river had been dealt and Priyan said "I've got to call you", totally different to what actually happened.

ul Martyn, constantly getting close

I just put myself in that postion, and thought how would i feel REALLY pissed off :). As has already been said, people do say things at the table and it classed as banter unless its abusive.  Good job on the updates by the way

it's a grosvenor rule and right or wrong has been for a long time. I've seen it enforced at several venues around the country

Sorry, this was how it was recounted to me originally. Apologies about that.

To clarify Ian Frazer was picking up chips on the river, as did Priyan, who said "I'll have to call," to Frazer. Which was when the ruling was made.

I totally disagree with George2L and Jambo here. As poker players all that we should want is that the correct ruling is made in every situation. The TD has made a mistake here but regardless of that all players at a table should do their best to ensure fair play at all times, that's all Iwan appears to be doing here.

arghhh that Bernard Litman is such a pain in the arse, really aggro and looks so shifty, but apparantly ''always has the goods''

Definetley got the better of me on day 1 , gl too him.

does lewindon grind tornys online? if so whts his scrnname?

glglglgl to james666

The key thing here, disragarding Iwan's involvement, is should verbal declarations be binding? Under the current Grosvenor rules they are. Of course, verbal statements may be ambigous, in which case, they are not binding, e.g 'It's likely I will call', 'I might call', etc. 'I will call' or words to that specific effect that are unambiguous are taken as declarations of intent, and are therefore ruled to be binding under the current set of rules. Rules are not set in stone, they can be changed and the Grosvenor rules committee does listen to opinions of players when considering contentious issues like this. Rest assured it will be discussed at our next meeting and before then we will investigate the verbal declaration rules of other organisations and take on board the comments of players.

Ramsey Ajram raises to 10,300 from the hijack. Andreas (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) Hoivold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) bumps it up to 28,300. Ramsey stares at Andreas and the Norwegian gives him the 'thumbs up'.

Ajram passes, he's been 3bet a lot recently, particularly by Matt Perrin.

Players on a short break.

In this instance he is speculating about a future event which may or may not even happen, it can't possibly be binding.

Not so. If someone says 'If you bet, I will call', they are making a conditional statement of intent. If that person bets, the condition applies.

Evening Jonathan,

I agree rules are rules, , but why did the TD not enforce/apply the rules instead of another player. The point I am making that in all poker games there is banter at tables, which does not require the player to make a play based on anything said.

It's a tough one imho. Depends what context. I can fully understand why in the above scenario the call would be binding else someone could use it as a tactic to stop someone betting but the way I understand the report it sounds like there was table talk going on. Frazier uses it well with the best of them

^^perhaps that's a bit OTT, but I have to agree in that I dislike the ruling

Hey Jon, well done for picking up the trophy at the European Poker Awards.

Talking about trophys, have they been scrapped for winners of GUKPT events this year?

If there is a split pot and nobody notices I pipe up. Sometimes the guy who thought he won gets narked. But it is what it is imo. Should I just let the error ride and keep quiet cos I'm not in the hand?

Nathan Lee raises to 20k on the button. Gary Cooper decides it's High Noon again and pushes for an additional 49.9k. Keir Ratcliffe folds with a grimace. Lee also folds after a moments dwell despite trying to get some info from Cooper by trying to get him to call.

Cooper shows Jh Tc.

"Awww, no, I folded A-J!" says Ratclife.

I understand what your saying, but i think its completely diffrent. Cards speak, but when someone is heads up in a play I dint agree with interference.

The hand is over at this point. I'm talking about chat during the hand

The main events still have them, the side events have bottles of champagne according to Jon Raab.

My veiw is, the three strongest t/d are marty wilson,barry monday,and jeff from the vic,and i dont think they would have ruled this way................. are you not allowed to tell lies these days ??

Hi James,

It was the TD that made the ruling, not another player. The other player only called for the ruling.

There can still be banter at the tables as there are lots of ways to banter other than making false statements of intent. In this instance, it was not banter. Approaching the bubble in a £1,000 tournament is when things are getting serious.

An exit I missed earlier, Ian Frazer went out with A-J against James Sudworth's A-Q.

Chip counts about to come up.

I understood the TD made the decision. I just thougt if he was at the table why did another player ask for the ruling. I also appreciate these things are always harder to quantifiy if your not there.

Cheers

James

Andreas Hoivold raises to 16k. Bernard Litman calls.

6c Ts 2s

Litman leads out for 15k.

"Have you got some of that?" asks Andreas.

"I have no idea," says Bernard.

Andreas calls.

2c

Bernard bets 30k, call. The pot is getting big.

4h

Check from Bernard, Andreas bets a very small 35k. Bernard folds. Hoivold must be over 300k now.

Chip counts at the break, courtesy of BlueSquare.

Table   Seat   Player   End of Level 15
1   1   James (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) Sudworth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189)   170600
1   2   Kerry Taylor   227100
1   3   Nicholas Holbrook   268400
1   4   Michael (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=279) Greco (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=279)   63300
1   6   Richard Lewidon   122300
1   7   Nathan Lee   159700
1   8   Gary Cooper   76700
1   9   Keir Ratcliff   132000
2   1   Alan Trueick   41900
2   2   Bernard (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48) Litman (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48)   234600
2   3   Kjetil Naess   63700
2   4   Ramsey Arjam   116100
2   5   Andreas (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) Hoivold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467)   265600
2   6   Mohamed Muse   109500
2   7   Matt Perrins   144600
2   8   Craig Brignall   147300

You are allowed to lie about the strength of you hand, but not when it comes to you betting intentions. In some places they even have a ridiculous rule that you can only lie about the strength of your hand and will penalised if you tell the truth.

In response to LeKnave's post - Lewindon is primarily a cash player on Crypto. Normally plays £1/2 to £2/5 (has played up to £25-50) but has been playing tournies on there and doing well lately. Name is Loser18.

Thanks Sunny.

Sadly, there are only trophies for the main events this year. Bottles of Champagne for the winners of side events. Credit crunch excuse invoked.

i went to school with lewi and taught him everything i know about mtts, so hes a total killer in this game now. BEWARE

thats what the judge told me

It's High Noon for Gary Cooper. He raised to 18k from the cutoff and James Sudworth min-reraised to 30k. Cooper pushed or another 60k or so Sudworth instantly called.

Sudworth: Kd Kc

Cooper: Aspades 9c

Kh 5h 6d 2d 4d

A couple of the other players at the table murmur that it must be nice.

Andreas is a great player. I think he could have a fantastic year

The TD was not standing over the table at the time, but was alerted to it when the floor was called for.

Congrats on the award too btw.

Still no rule as weird as the underraising heads up at the vic imo...lol

OK

Maybe you should get to know him better before suggesting he is as straight a guy as we would like to meet. I disagree with you.

I was about to write a post about how Matt Perrins does not seem to raise preflop but is constantly 3-betting Ramsey Ajram, Andreas Hoivold and Mo Muse with good success. Then suddenly he makes the first raise in a while and Kjetil Naess moves in and quickly gets called.

Naess: Kc Qd

Perrins: Ad Ahrt

4d 8s Tc 7d Th

Perrins is now on about 250k.

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I'm waiting for Lee and Perrins to get on the same table. :)

Alan Trueick is out in 14th place.

He was very short and pushed in the small blind with 7-3, but Bernard Litman woke up with A-J in the big blind.

Can you please wish Mo "Billy" Muse good luck from sunny but cold Florida?

thanks

Jeff Buffenbarger

PS:  Can you ask him who is looking after his dog tonite? 

JEFF B-  hope your well

Bad news, Mo Muse fans.

Mo Muse raises from the cutoff and Matt Perrins reraises from the button committing Muse. Muse goes for it and Perrins calls the remaining change.

Muse: Aspades Jd

Perrins: Th Ts

6d 3d Tc...(Mo grimaces at this card)...6c Qc

He's out in 13th place winning £2,350.

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Trans-atlantic Bokking!!!

Yikes, only venturing an opinion...

Stacks in trouble as we get to the 4k/8k level.

Michael Greco -- 35k
Ramsey Ajram -- 90k
Richard Lewindon -- 100k

I guess Mo will looking after his dog tonite....whoooooooopppppsssssss

No more bokking!!!!!!!

Good luck to everyone still in........with my bokking skills the comp should be over in an hour....

PS  Hi Steve B i hope you are well.

Any chance of rough chip counts/ player pictures!!! and payouts from 9 upwards

thanks guys awesome posts.

Bernard Litman raises to 30k and Matt Perrins calls in the big blind.

9c 5c 6s

Perrins checks, Litman goes for his chips, but instead of counting out a specific amount, he simply grabs all his yellow 5k chips and sticks them in the middle for about a 180k bet. Perrins folds sharpishly.

James Sudworth looks to be the chip leader with about 400k

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Will try now.

1st -- £70,520
2nd -- £43,480
3rd -- £28,790
4th -- £18,560
5th -- £13,860
6th -- £11,520
7th -- £9,160
8th -- £6,820
9th -- £4,700
10th -- £3,520
11th -- £2,940
12th to 14th -- £2,350
15th to 22nd -- £1,760

Rough chip counts.

Kerry (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1869) Taylor (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1869) -- 240k
Nicholas Holbrook -- 150k
Michael (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=279) Greco (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=279) -- 35k
Richard Lewindon -- 88k
Nathan Lee -- 141k
Keir Ratcliff -- 216k

James (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) Sudworth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) -- 350k
Bernard (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48) Litman (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48) -- 300k
Ramsey Ajram -- 125k
Andreas (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) Hoivold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) -- 240k
Matt Perrin -- 300k (Just 3bet Hoivold off another button raise)
Craig Bignall -- 131k

(Just added these all up and I'm about 34k under the 2.35 million chips meant to be in play)

Can you tell richard lewidon to take those DJK spots pls.

You're once again doing a grand job here Floppy.

I've really been struck this week by the number of young players in this event. So many more than last year and it's translated in a position where we're probably going to end up with a final table dominated by younger players. Some of these guys I've never heard of, but I've been very impressed by Matt Perrins and James Sudworth in particular. In fact, I'd say whoever makes this final, I don't think there will be many easy chips for anyone.

Michael Greco is out. He was all-in with Kd Jh and failed to spiked versus Kerry Taylor's Ahrt 8c on a 4-6-7-2-5 board.

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Message passed on.

Yeah i noticed a tougher field. Mainly due to the younger players who can actually play tournament poker.

Final table of 9 or 10 mate?

can you tell nick that he owes me 10 % for wearing my hat! and its a putrid hat

9 players. We need to lose two more.

Despite the good poker, the quality of the rail has not improved...

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James Sudworth raises to 21k, Ramsey Ajram pushes for 131k total.

A traditional dwell before Sudworth announces he's going to flip a coin to decide. "Heads I call, tails I fold."

The coin comes up tails and he mucks, but begs Ajram to show his hand.

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Eventually he gets his wish. Ajram shows Ac Tc

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Lol...

He's not called Nick 'the river dogg' Holbrook for nothing

Huge pot between Kerry Taylor and Nicholas Holbrook.

;bp;

No! Bigger!

Taylor raised to 25k and Holbrook called.

5c Ts 3c

Taylor bets 40k, Holbrook raises to 125k. Taylor moves all-in.

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Holbrook thinks for ages before eventually calling for his stack. He hates what he sees.

Taylor: Kd Kc

Holbrook: Jc Jh

Td

Jh

And with that two outer, Holbrook's friends go ballistic as Taylor can only stand there in shock. He's virtually felted and goes shortly after in 11th place.

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He's the new chip leader with around 500k.

Bubble pls Sudworth (anti bok)

If he finals I scoooooooooop

wht price did the mug give u?

?? do tell

Got 50 quid on at 3/1

Also had 50 quid on Paul King vs Thewy at 6/5

gg triggs eye.

Chip counts (which I stole from the dealer before Jonathan (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1666) Raab (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1666) got there)

Craig Brignall -- 96.1k
Nicholas Holbrook -- 502k
Richard Lewidon -- 88.2k
Nathan Lee -- 158.8k
Keir Ratcliff -- 162.6k

James (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) Sudworth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) -- 296.2k
Bernard (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48) Litman (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=48) -- 240.4k
Ramsey Ajram -- 180.8k
Andreas (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) Hoivold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=467) -- 348.6k
Matt Perrins -- 282.7k

Blinds about to go to 5k/10k with a 500 ante. Squeaky bum time for Brignall and Lewidon in particular.

Hi Guys,

I don't normally write on blonde but am so pissed off and upset at the ruling given to me I want to make a few things clear and get it off my chest. When we get to the river, I check,  Ian is thinking of betting and gets some chips in his hand, I take some chips in my hand and look at him, he looks at me as if to say what u doing? As we have been having banter throughout our blinds I say a off the cuff remark "I got to call".  Now please note there is nothing to call, NO BET HAS BEEN MADE YET, he is getting free information of me, am I weak or strong and I am trying to get him to put a small bet to call.  I have done nothing wrong here this is normal table talk.  Now at this moment Iwan says to Ian, "Ian that is binding, yesterday Dubai did the same thing, ask for a ruling, too many guys are saying things like this, its not on",  at which stage Ian pipes up and says yes I would like a ruling. He had no intention of asking for a ruling before Iwan said anything 100%.  

The inexperienced floor guy(bald young guy with Tattos, so wish Dena was there this would have never got to TD level) comes across does not even ask the dealer anything and listens to what Ian, myself and Iwan(still involved) have to say, he immediately says I will have to call any bet made as " I got to call" is a verbally binding(EVEN BEFORE THE BET HAS BEEN MADE!!!) Of course all this information is coming mainly not from Ian but Iwan whom is referring back to the ruling made a few days ago and whom is still very much involved in the whole thing even thou it has NOTHING to do with him(Guess he is helping his poor friend whom does not have a backbone and is very shy LOLLOLOLO).  Now at this stage Ian immediately goes all in.  I cant believe what has happened and ask for TD to come over.  When he comes across thou I can not believe what I am hearing as the younger guy(whom made the ruling) while bringing over the TD has given his version of events which is unfair as he also whats his ruling to be correct.  The TD does not even speak to the dealer to get the facts or listen to my side of the story sees Ian's chips over the line which were not there when the ruling was made and says I have to call.  The dealer whom is very experienced young girl glasses deals quickly and knows the game is not consulted once.

In my opinion too many times have I seen a wrong ruling made as the TD does not want to undermine his staff(he has to support them i guess) he should not be influenced by the person whom has made the ruling in the 1st place as it is his ruling we are disputing(how is he going to portray the story). He should come to the table and hear the story from the dealer who has heard and seen everything and then maybe the players after if he wants.  The TD did not not listen and evaluate the situation just went on what he heard from Iwan and the younger floor guy.  If he did he would had seen that no bet had been made when the comment was made and that common sense would say to give me a warning and let Ian make his bet and me to decide what to do.  Since he did not look at the situation and wanted to flex his muscles he has come out making a totally ridiculous ruling and looking very unprofessional(no one has said he made the right ruling from all blonde member to even experienced players like Dave Colclough etc etc)

Anyway mistakes are made but what really get to me is Iwans involvement in the whole matter.  He knows very well that he should never be talking or getting involved in a hand he is not playing himself.  As u have all pointed out he is a seasoned pro he knows what goes and doesn't and he has stepped over the line big time helping his friend win a big pot and getting an massive advantage in the hand.  I don't know why Iwan got involved whether he was pissed off I won the race AK v his 9's or I was a threat or in he had a bad experience on another table earlier.  It does not matter thou as he should know better he cost me my tournament and my chance of winning.  I was finally knocked out by Ian with my own chips final nail in the coffin...

With regard to the controversial hand anyone at the table can call for a ruling, Iwan ventured an opinion (which in his own words maybe he didn't need to) that he agreed with Ian but that the only way they could solve it was to call for a ruling. Nothing wrong with that otherwise you have the potential for it to develop into a stand up argument. The ruling itself i personally think is a bit shit but Frazer took full advantage of it as it was recounted to me. Apparently he picked up 12k to bet the river as he did this Priyan picked up the same amount to call, Frazer didn't put the chips over the line and stopped and looked at Priyan, it was then that he made his statement. The ruling was called and now Frazer moves in for a massive overbet (37k?). Priyan left himself open to it but pretty gross use of the situation by Frazer as he now trebled his bet.

So if you were me. you think what Iwan did was correct and you would be happy?

Matt Perrins raises preflop and James Sudworth calls. (Think it was 27kish)

9s 5d 4c

Perrins bets 29k. Dwell...and call.

4d

Perrins thinks for a minute and checks. Sudworth fires out 60k. Perrins doesn't fold instantly, he thinks for a couple of minutes and I really feel for a moment he's going to push all-in for another 160k on top which might get Sudworth off the hand...but he folds. He's down to about 220k, Sudworth up to 350k

On the other table, Richard Lewindon pushes from the button and takes the blinds.

So Dave, if you were me you would be happy with Iwan getting invovled?

Prian just ask for your money back,im sure the casino will help,if not try Iwan or maybe Ian...........lolllll

Ok as an ex cardroom supervisor at Walsall i know some of the Grosvenor rules are a little shitty.
All talk goes whether its the truth or not which itself opens up to lots of arguments but basically if someone says they are going to call even if no one has bet yet then they have to call.
 We had 1 incident where it really kicked off.....a guy puts a small bet in on the turn ...the next guy is thinking when the bettor says "if you re raise me i shall pass" ... the guy then rerasies ...the original bettor then moved all-in supervisor was called and the guy was made to pass...as he had stone cold nuts he was a little pissed off but basically the answer is say nothing
I accept that a bit of banter is part of the game but a lot of people have been playing long enough to just keep quiet and play the game

Richard Lewindon moves all-in on Nicholas Holbrook's big blind for 99k but Craig Brignall can't bring himself to call off his stack in the small blind.

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A couple of hands later and Brignall moves on Lewidon's big blind. Touche. Lewindon, "I've got crap, but it might better than your crap." Lewindon folds what he says was K-7.

come on ramseyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Try if you can to ignore the fact that a pretty shit ruling has been made here, i don't think you can be enforced to call an unquantifiable amount.

I've seen it many times where there are 5 minute arguments at the table and nobody thinks to call the floor as that is almost ineveitably the only way to solve it. It's annoying and a complete waste of time. If Iwan's involvement was just to defuse and speed up the process he's acted correctly and sensibly and couldn't find any fault with him.
I'd be more peeved with Frazer if he completely took advantage of the situation and changed the amount he was going to bet. Not that he broke any rules by doing that it just isn't great form.

Shipppppit Ramsey

James (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) Sudworth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) and Ramsey Ajram tangle

2s 4c 9h

Ajram bets 35k, Sudworth check/raises to 85k. Arjam pushes for another 85k or so and Sudworth quickly folds. Ajram shows A-5 off, which was obviously ahead.

Even if the ruling is right by the rules it's a terrible one and needs to be changed.

Absolutely

Still waiting for the deadlock to be broken.

On Nicholas Holbrook's table, all the other stacks are fairly short now and each looking for spots to push, whereas on the other table James Sudworth and Ramsey Ajram in particular are really battling out trying to grab as many chips as they can. Bernard Litman is sitting back a bit while Matt Perrins and Andreas Hoivold as still raising but not as aggressively as before.

weeeeeeeeeeeeee shipppppppppppppp

It is an appalling decision.

typical of the goons who get put in positions of power having done no courses/training whatsoever. Only learn the rules from their bosses, who 70% of the time make up the ruling anyway.

In what other industry would a decision of such financial magnitude be left to someone who hasn't even taken a course in the subject he was proclaiming to be an expert in?

Banking or Government? :)

Self-bok.

Craig Brignall raises to 90k (basically all-in) from the small blind. Nicholas Holbrook takes a while to set him in, which is surprisingly when he eventually does with Aspades Td, Brignall turns up Qh 6d.

7d 5d Kd 9d 2c

Craig Brignall goes out in 10th place winning £3,520.

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Chip counts of the final table to follow...

Lee and Perrins to set next to each other please one time.

The finance sector !!!

Someone said earlier that Jeff from the Vic would not have made that ruling .....well its a grosvenor rule and he was on the rules committee when the rule was brought in so draw your own conclusions

Bottom line is that the correct ruling was made based on Grosvenor rules its just that the rules are shit!!!

Iwan and Ian didn't do anything they werent within their right to do BUT i still think its poor form from both. ul Priyan

Final counts (No seat draw yet)

James Sudworth -- 331k
Bernard Litman -- 194k
Ramsey Ajram -- 291.5k
Andreas Hoivold -- 268.5k
Matt Perrins -- 264.5k
Nicholas Holbrook -- 622k
Richard Lewidon -- 99k
Nathan Lee -- 159k
Keir Ratcliff -- 128k

such nitrolls.

glglglggl to James (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) Sudworth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=189) 2mo. run gooooooooot.

I think its a ridiculous ruling because what Priyan did is not enforced anywhere else, even in Grosvenors and I wasn't aware it was even against the rules. People make these comments all the time and its preposterous that at this stage its enforced. Also if a bad decision is made earlier in the tournament it shouldn't dictate the same mistake being made later for continuity. I really feel for Priyan here and I think hes been treated very poorly.



...also gogoogogogo Ramsey

How many times are questionable decisions made in tournaments? I would say we all agree it's pretty common. So why would someone put themselves in an ambiguous position when the stakes are so high...and put themselves at the mercy of these poor decision makers?

worst decission i have ecver heard of !!!!

total q

Players are being called back for 2pm for a 3pm start probably with the blinds starting at 5k/10k again.

I'm off for some food.

See you tomorrow.

 ;sleep;

;stickaforkinme;

Ok like most arguments both parties have fairly different versions of it to tell. Dunno which is right probably somewhere inbetween as is often the case. Not prepared to get into an argument as to who is describing the situation most accuarately. Your piece does make the call for a ruling sound a little premature.
Still hate the ruling.

great updates flops. thankyou.


gl Lewindon 2moro!

As I said earlier, the rule itself is going to be discussed in great detail and all the intricacies of the situations that may arise out of it will be considered before we make any decision about what to do with it in the future.

great updates again floppy - you're doing a sterling job!

I don't like the ruling either.  I was involved in a similar hand in Friday's side event.  I had the nuts on the river and it was checked to me.  I was just about to bet 400 into the pot when the other guy said 'call' so I stuck in a bit more, and he folded.  The dealer confirmed with him that he'd said 'call' and he said he had, when I was going to bet 400.  I didn't call for a ruling because as I saw it no chips had passed the line as he had said it and I didn't think for a minute he would be held to it - I also think it would have been very harsh if he had, so I'm glad I didn't.

my 2 peneth on the rulling,,,i think its wrong and silly table talk is good for the game,all the times ive heard and said im going all in this hand any 2 cards.,.,.when your stacked up,.,.,,.,.,comes to me and fold.,...,.,.,lol.,.,bollox lalala..,.,

not one person have thought this but ian could have had a bag of chit,HOW DID IWAN KNOW WHAT HE WAS HOLDING?????HE COULD HAVE FOOKED IT UP FOR IAN.,.,.,.,.,
,,and making a move for 12k then when this rulling was made,,what would have pryan said if ian had no hand and was moving with no hand,,,DONT BLAME IWAN FOR A BAD RULING,,I know hes a mate but it could have worked in your favour if ian had spanners ,,,then ian would have been having ago at iwan for opening his mouth,,..,.
point is did iwan know what ian was holding????????/if he did and it was a strong hand then i think iwan and ian are out of order,,,but there should be no-way that iwan should know his hand...

technically it couldnt have, as if tht were the case Ian would just check and Pryan wins no additional bet on the river where he would have won the extra bet when picking off the bluff.

lol biggest joke rule ive ever seen or heard about in a long while. total bollox.

after hearing about this earlier, Steve holden pulled off the move when a guy limped the button, and steve said raise. he guy said hes gonna call, steve then moved all in and the guy laughed when steve said he had to call and mucked. A ruling was needed and 90 mins later they counted steve's stack and took the same chips of the other guy a local whom fluhsy knows. There was alot of arguing here as the team had set a precident earlier with the pryian hand. It got a bit daft tbh.

i dont know if i tried to explain it correct,,,,

ill try again

say ian got spanners when all cards are out,he then goes to make a small 12k bet to get pryan off the pot,and then pryan says ill have to call,
STOP,,,,,,,, THAT BET STANDS SAYS IWAN,ian goes quiet here ,,,if he had a chit hand he would have had a go at iwan saying why did you say that??????now knowing he is going to be called????

ok he didnt have a chit hand,but iwan dont know this,now ian takes advantage of the ruling as his hand must me strong......

does this make a little more sence?????

[  ] yes

I have played with Iwan numerous times and have no doubt he has impeccable integrity. Applying the same rulings throughout the whole of a tournament is something I feel is very important.
However, if the situation unfolded as Priyan has said I would be thoroughly incensed. The ruling is almost too ridiculous to discuss. The TD gave a long speech before the competition started but I did not hear him talk about this new (never seen it applied anywhere else in the world) and farcical ruiling that states that `anything you say when you have cards will be taken literally and enforced even when you are not the one to act'. The GKUPT's are generally very well run, but this is a shameful situation.

just to make a comment about that ruling i think Frasier used is experienced and new he was totally wrong and out of order to me he cheated and Jones should keep is mouth shut he is not involved in the hand end of pryan was cheated and justice was done when Jones and Frasier are both out

When I first gave my views was when we thought that Priyan had said "I've got to call" after the all-in bet has been made. However, if this was not the case, this changes everything.
The most shocking part of the decision for me was the farce of the TD coming across when the ruling had been half made, seeing Frazer's chips all over the line, and thinking that this was the state of play when Priyan made his comment. The TD has got to have the know-how and authority to establish the facts of the situation and make a ruling he believes in, rather than making a decision on part of the evidence, or wanting to back  up rhe rest of his team.

If it really is the case that this technically is the correct ruling now, that almost makes the situation worse. Either the situation has changed and the players were not told. Or a number of situations I have seen in the past years should have been enforced but never were, as the TD has made a bizarre and secret decision to suddnenly clamp down on a situation that everyone was familiar with.

I really don't think anyone should question Iwan Jones' integrity; when he said what he did, he could not even have known who it would benefit, and his comment was probably out of frustration of the same kind of ruling randomly being enforced and not enforced over the previous couple of days. But vul Priyan,must be so hard to take.

I really don't think anyone should question Iwan Jones' integrity; when he said what he did, he could not even have known who it would benefit, and his comment was probably out of frustration of the same kind of ruling randomly being enforced and not enforced over the previous couple of days. But vul Priyan,must be so hard to take.


THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY,WHO WOULD IT BENEFIT????? IF IWAN DIDNT KNOW EITHER HAND???

IWAN I THINK WOULD HAVE CALLED IT ON ANYONE,THATS THE WAY HE IS.
SOMETIMES HE'S A PAIN AND OTHER TIMES HES A TOP GUY.
BUT HE DO KNOW THE RULES,AND THEY MUST BE FOLLOWED(EVEN IF ITS A SHIT RULE)

AS SAID BEFORE YOU CAN'T BLAME IWAN FOR YOU EXIT,YOU HAVE TO BLAME  THE RULES
I THINK ITS THE MOST RIDICULOUS RULE EVER AND IM SURE IT WILL BE AMMENDED AND BANISHED.

martyn cavanagh here iwan is my m8 and i like  priyan as well. must say i was on next table when ian said to dealer does that go. dealer says i THINK SO. i think we all no thats not much help.  iwan then says get a ruling he was not doing it to help ian or priyan. just to get on with next hand. i no he did not wont to upset any one. i no he will not like me saying this but he is upset by all this.  hi sofa u still my KING











 





   

yes m8 just got out of hand. need to sit the  dealers down and tell them all the rules. then it would not have got so bad.

This was an awful ruling.  So basically making a verbal declaration (out of turn) is binding  WTF!!!!
I was chatting to Jonathan Raab along with 4 or 5 players about this ruling and its just pure madness.  It needs taking out of ALL Grosvenor rule books and burning.

People should not be enforced to put their chips in a pot when its out of turn action.  Only if chips had passed over the line should a bet stand.

This ruling also affected the 250 freezeout for 1 hour, as I overheard somebody mentioning that this rule was also enforced on a different table to mine.

Found a few rules on the gukpt website
rule 35 All action out of turn goes. A player who bets out of turn will be penalised for that round only.
rule 44 Verbal declarations in turn are binding, verbal declarations out of turn will be binding if the action to that player has not changed when it is their turn to act, check, call or fold is not considered an action change.

I believe that rule 44 was used in this incident, however it seems still a grey area due to the fact that no amounts were mentioned.

It seems the common sense rule was thrown out of the window !!

this has been a grosvenor rule rule for years- it isn't a new rule.

I remember a few years ago Barry (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=42) Neville (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=42) in the Blackpool main event said on the river "if you bet I wll call" trying to stop the player betting. The player moved allin and Barry was forced to call the obvious nuts by the other player. This ruling was made correctly by Danny. It is the players responsibilty to be aware of the rules and currently a verbal declaration is binding (even an out of turn one). If Pryan had said "be carefull/ you bet and I will probably call etc" then it wouldnt be binding. Its not the best rule in the world but it is one of the rules so any player on the table is entitled to ask for a ruling at any stage just like any player is entitled to call for a clock etc.

Iwan as a bloke is a nice guy and doesn't mind voicing his opinion. Its hard on pryan but he has done nothing wrong here. I know he won't have done it in any malice but there is plenty of moodying and arsing about at the business end of tournaments and with blinds going up an a depleted stack he probably just wanted to get on with things. The other thing we all need to realise is a TD ruling is final even if it is incorrect. I have had many rulings made on me over the years that have been far worse than this one but the TD is there as the poker police if you like and what they say goes- end of story theres nothing can be done. If rule changes are now made because of this I'm sure plenty of people will actually thank Iwan for bringing this to the rule comities attention.

incidentally I think attacking the TD who made this ruling is a little out of orer as he has followed the rules as they stand. I think Dena, zach, Ian or any of the team would have made the same ruling. Just like at any other tournament where they follow the rules (even if the rules seem harsh they still need to be followed by the tournament staff or it would be chaos).