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Title: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 07, 2009, 11:23:58 AM
Right dont have the actual hand history because Im at work but heres what I remember

12.5k guaranteed $5 rebuy on ipokes

Ive been playing very tight, got some good value out of my big hands and just trying not to spew and blow up as normal.

51 people remaining from 1197 blinds are 3000/6000 ante 500 (not sure about the ante) average stack is 110k i have 66k villain has 68k

Were 8 handed and im dealt  Ad Ac utg + 1
I raise to 18k
Villain calls in the cutoff, blinds fold.

Flop comes down  6c Ks Kh

Whats my line here? Do I lead out? Check it to him?
Theres already nearly 50k in the pot and I have 48k back.

Thoughts please.



Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: TheChipPrince on April 07, 2009, 11:27:18 AM
Bet 25k or shove, happy with either.  Check-raise, check-call assuming he sets you in is fine also...

Whatever and however you can get the money in, there's not much you can do wrong here to be honest, no turn card will become a scare card...


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: daviebhoy on April 07, 2009, 11:29:11 AM
We want to get it allin here and have him call when he is behind. This flop isn't the greatest for us and there are no draws so I would check and hope he bluffs at it. No harm in giving a free card here so hope he hits the turn or river and get it all in then. If he has a K you are out - no point worrying about that as you are not folding. With stacks as they are getting all the chips in the middle is not an issue. We just dont want him folding.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 07, 2009, 12:05:25 PM
Just shove pre.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: gatso on April 07, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
Just shove pre.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: TheChipPrince on April 07, 2009, 12:12:22 PM

Surely we're more likely to get action if we make a standard raise?


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 07, 2009, 12:15:00 PM

Surely we're more likely to get action if we make a standard raise?

This.

I thought about shoving pre, but surely a lot of hands i want invoved would fold to a shove?


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: EvilPie on April 07, 2009, 12:26:31 PM
Limp pre.

Hopefully someone will try to squeeze. If you've been tight someone might just think you're weak.

If you get a multiway pot check and someone's bound to try to nick it.

Snap them off and hope that you've not been muffed.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: gatso on April 07, 2009, 12:29:12 PM
I thought about shoving pre, but surely a lot of hands i want invoved would fold to a shove?

how many hands fold to a shortstack shove but call a 3x open from an 11x stack?

not enough to make up for the loss of value from those that call both the shove and the standard open but give up on most flops costing you 8xBB each time


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: daviebhoy on April 07, 2009, 12:29:48 PM
I don't see anything wrong with pushing/limping or standard raise pre. Totally table dependant.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 07, 2009, 12:38:36 PM
Snap them off and hope that you've not been muffed.

Muffaments


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: GreekStein on April 07, 2009, 12:59:38 PM
I don't like limping pre as you'll entice people to limp behind you and prob only gonna get it in with someone you would more easily if you raised anyway. You don't really wanna see a multiway pot here either and it's gonna be hard to get paid oop unless we give them too good an opportunity to outdraw us. Players in these tournies are happy to limp behind with anything thats not a big pair/premium once u've limped but they'd prob call a raise from you so let's build a pot and get it in on basically any flop. We've got to play the hand for a full double up here imo.

I tend to make it a little less than 3bb here - like 15.5/16k.

As played after the flop I think you should make a weak lead to entice your opponent to shove any two. I prob gay bet like 10.5k. If he has a king gl to him - we can't ever pass here.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: Autobetkev on April 07, 2009, 01:17:04 PM
I don't like limping pre as you'll entice people to limp behind you and prob only gonna get it in with someone you would more easily if you raised anyway. You don't really wanna see a multiway pot here either and it's gonna be hard to get paid oop unless we give them too good an opportunity to outdraw us. Players in these tournies are happy to limp behind with anything thats not a big pair/premium once u've limped but they'd prob call a raise from you so let's build a pot and get it in on basically any flop. We've got to play the hand for a full double up here imo.

I tend to make it a little less than 3bb here - like 15.5/16k.

As played after the flop I think you should make a weak lead to entice your opponent to shove any two. I prob gay bet like 10.5k. If he has a king gl to him - we can't ever pass here.


+1


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: LOJ on April 07, 2009, 02:22:13 PM
Bet 25k or shove, happy with either.  Check-raise, check-call assuming he sets you in is fine also...

Whatever and however you can get the money in, there's not much you can do wrong here to be honest, no turn card will become a scare card...


^^ this


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: Longy on April 07, 2009, 02:33:41 PM
15k pre. Unless villians behind you know your game really well, then we can pull a reverse tell and shove pre.

Whatever you do on the flop, it is pretty difficult to muff it. I think i make a really weak lead here, but there is nothing wrong with checking here on such a dry board with villian drawing to 2 outs at best.



Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: gatso on April 07, 2009, 05:00:29 PM
I'd just like to point out that while I'm suggesting the pf shove as the best course of action I reallly don't have a problem with any other way that's been suggested. it's almost impossible to play AA badly with an 11x stack as long as your chips get in the middle at some point


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 07, 2009, 05:35:53 PM
I like to shove here,  there are many worse hands that will call you on iPoker.  Problem is that obviously now many the combos that would call pre here have spanked that flop. 


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: celtic on April 07, 2009, 05:55:37 PM
blatant i got humped by kj thread imo.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: LeKnave on April 07, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
i defo dont shove pre on ipoker here. just make it 14,775.

as for the flop i most likely tank shove it.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 07, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
blatant i got humped by kj thread imo.

Yeah i got humped. Slightly results related topic like most.

I think it was the fact I had managed not to blow up for four hours made this harder to take in the eye.

Then this happens. I think shit, bet he has a king, i check, he bets, i shove, he snaps and i can sense his hand in the air as he flips KQ.

I know a king makes up so little of his range here I cant fold. I just wanted to ship something so I could pretend to be a shrewdie for a night  ;D

Thanks for all your thoughts.


Title: Re: AA on a paired board deep in the Ipoker 12.5k
Post by: AlexMartin on April 08, 2009, 12:57:31 AM
15k pre. Unless villians behind you know your game really well, then we can pull a reverse tell and shove pre.

Whatever you do on the flop, it is pretty difficult to muff it. I think i make a really weak lead here, but there is nothing wrong with checking here on such a dry board with villian drawing to 2 outs at best.



100% re pre imo.

flop is incredibly villain dependant, usually in wa/wb situations checking is infinitely better w/o history.