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Title: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 01:28:36 PM The last week I've been experimenting with MTT SNGs. I've had some encouraging results, but the variance is high, and I wanted to do this proposal to take the edge off the variance, and to give me some direction with this, as I found my previous heads up thing worthwhile because it kept me disciplined and motivated or whatever.
The proposal... A $2750 roll to play 45 man and 90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt The staking period will last for a duration of exactly 1000 games I will be playing the $24+2 games (perhaps mixed in with some $10+1 and $12+1 games when traffic is slower). If the roll dips to $1500, I would dip to the $10+1 and $11+1 games. I wouldn't play below this level. More details... A 20% ROI is a realistic goal, and would be a good winrate. Hopefully 1000 games will be enough to ride out the variance to some extent. I'm hoping I'll be able to get an accurate idea of how much I can make per game. I'm not sure how long this will take. I can play up to 11 tables at a time. If I play a full day I can get in around 60/70 games. In theory I could probs do this in 2 weeks if I played nothing else. However, I might spend say half of my time playing something else on top of this with my own wad. Just to clarify, that would be completely seperate from this roll, wouldn't be be on Full Tilt, and wouldn't be MTT SNGs that I was playing. You can be assured that I will complete the 1000 games whatever happens though, and within a decent timeframe. Feel free to Sharkscope Epitomised (pokerstars) and Fido7Dido (FT) to see my results so far. You'll have to filter the pokerstars username to 45 man tourneys or whatever. I was doing so awesome then hit a huge downswing on there. Bare in mind in my last session on Full Tilt, the software died, I couldn't get back on and I got blinded out on some final tables (FML) before I managed to get Amatay to take over. I've written about my experiences over the last week or so on my blog http://atkinator.blogspot.com ... I realise my results aren't exactly Earth shattering, but you can be reasonable assured that I'm not gonna donk off the whole roll! The deal... Quite simply, at the end of the 1000 games, the profits will be split 50:50 between me and the stakers. (If it goes well, I will do some kind of random Blonde staking, rather than offering a specific % this time) I will post daily results on this thread, and people can keep up with my progress on Sharkscope. Obviously transfer on FT is preferred, but Bank Transfers and PokerStars transfers are okay too. I'd like to get cracking with this ASAP, so it will need to be swift. Will be selling in 5% chunks, at $137.50. 10% is obviously $275. As an example (Just to clarify) if the roll ended up at $6000, a 5% investor would get $206.25 back. Please note, like last time I did this, I will be buying a piece of myself. I will count as a staker like everyone else, and it will not affect the percentage split. I think the fact that I have a decent amount of my own money on the line is good for investors so you are sure I will take this seriously... Feel free to ask any questions or whatever. I'm gonna put a 10% cap on investment (for each individual) to begin with, just to potentially get as many ppl involved with this as possible (purely for interest in the thread and motivational puropses) If there isn't all that much interest and someone happens to want a big chunk, I'll consider changing this, we'll see how things go. The investors... 40% - Myself - Paid (obv) 10% - GreekStein - Paid 10% - Woodsey - Paid 10% - Eck - Paid 10% - DaveShoelace - Paid 10% - Dino1980 - Paid 10% - Bongo - Paid 5% - Amatay - Paid Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on June 25, 2009, 01:32:01 PM I cap
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Eck on June 25, 2009, 01:32:16 PM ffs
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Woodsey on June 25, 2009, 01:33:06 PM 10%
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 01:35:43 PM Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Eck on June 25, 2009, 01:36:39 PM Thought Cos had took the rest 10% please. Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 01:37:55 PM Thought Cos had took the rest 10% please. Ah gotcha lol, np Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 01:41:30 PM If anyone's interested in what might become available, it would be cool if you posted now so I know who to come to first...
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Bongo on June 25, 2009, 02:25:38 PM me please
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 05:31:32 PM Ok Bongo nice one you got it, will send a PM now...
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: scotty2hatty on June 25, 2009, 05:39:28 PM Will be selling in 5% chunks, at $137.50. 10% is obviously $275. As an example (Just to clarify) if the roll ended up at $6000, a 5% investor would get $206.25 back. Great proposal MC, good luck with this. Can you just tell me how u ended up with the $206.25 figure? I calculated a different figure. Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 05:43:31 PM Will be selling in 5% chunks, at $137.50. 10% is obviously $275. As an example (Just to clarify) if the roll ended up at $6000, a 5% investor would get $206.25 back. Great proposal MC, good luck with this. Can you just tell me how u ended up with the $206.25 figure? I calculated a different figure. Oops looks like I did my maths wrong, you're right, it's $212.50 137.5+(1500*0.05) = 212.50 You thought of applying for Countdown Scotty? ;) Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Amatay on June 25, 2009, 07:20:16 PM 10% if any left pls
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 07:50:49 PM 10% if any left pls I'm sorry mate it's sold out. I really should have saved you some :( As a thank you for yesterday I'll let you buy 5% of my 40 if you like? Let me know when we can do those sweat sessions, I want to make sure you have all your software set up before July 1st!!! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: scotty2hatty on June 25, 2009, 10:11:30 PM Will be selling in 5% chunks, at $137.50. 10% is obviously $275. As an example (Just to clarify) if the roll ended up at $6000, a 5% investor would get $206.25 back. Great proposal MC, good luck with this. Can you just tell me how u ended up with the $206.25 figure? I calculated a different figure. Oops looks like I did my maths wrong, you're right, it's $212.50 137.5+(1500*0.05) = 212.50 You thought of applying for Countdown Scotty? ;) LOL, I'm awesome at the numbers part of Countdown but suck so bad at letters. Anyways, that's still not the figure I came up with :P Why isn't it 137.50+(3250*0.05) = £300? I'm obv missing something. GL Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Bongo on June 25, 2009, 10:21:37 PM Starts at 2750.
6000 - 2750 = 3250 profit. 50% goes to MC for his time, leaves 1625. 1625 * 0.05 = 81.25. Original stake = 137.50. Total returned = 218.75 Just another completely different figure ;marks; Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 10:49:21 PM Starts at 2750. 6000 - 2750 = 3250 profit. 50% goes to MC for his time, leaves 1625. 1625 * 0.05 = 81.25. Original stake = 137.50. Total returned = 218.75 Just another completely different figure ;marks; Lol, I was using a starting roll of $3000 for my calculations cos that's what I originally had in mind. ;djinn; Scotty, you're assuming I give 100% of my profits away with that calculation!!! Bongo has got it right... Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 25, 2009, 11:18:50 PM Everyone has paid up, thanks guys...
All set for kick-off, will start tomorrow! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: mondatoo on June 26, 2009, 12:28:40 AM Best of luck
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on June 26, 2009, 04:20:13 AM Blatant I have 567 Full Tilt Points brag post.
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 26, 2009, 06:09:45 PM Blatant I have 567 Full Tilt Points brag post. Lol, woop woop! Title: Day One Post by: MC on June 26, 2009, 06:16:15 PM Great start, was feeling the pain of the two 5th places til I binked a 90-man (sweet!). Going out later so this is all I will be able to manage for the day (blatant "I'm going out" brag tank? lol)
Obviously this is above expectation, so expect variance to hit in, but still nice to start positive! Starting bankroll: $2750 Current bankroll: $3232.60 Title: Re: Day One Post by: thetank on June 26, 2009, 06:21:43 PM Going out later so this is all I will be able to manage for the day (blatant "I'm going out" brag tank? lol) Depends where you live innit If it's Birmingham then it's probably not a brag post Title: Re: Day One Post by: MC on June 26, 2009, 07:26:21 PM Going out later so this is all I will be able to manage for the day (blatant "I'm going out" brag tank? lol) Depends where you live innit If it's Birmingham then it's probably not a brag post Lol, I live in Lincoln, not a terrible night out and it's a mate's birthday so should be decent Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: George2Loose on June 27, 2009, 01:55:10 PM bollox completely missed this
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 27, 2009, 06:11:49 PM Sorry you missed out George.
Cos thought I should post this up... Cos says: yo how did first day go atkinjames James says: has been going sweet until this 16-match baron run I've just had so sick when you can't win a hand pretty hard to deal with getting fucked over on several different tables repeatedly but i guess that's something i'll have to get used to Cos says: ridic varianceaments James says: yeah man $3467 the roll is at which is actually above expectation so shouldn't complain about running bad i guess need to think of it in terms of like $5 a game I play and ignore the swings basically all the good players have between 15-45% ROI, 20% being pretty much the standard 20% ROI is like $5 a game Cos says: what did the roll start at? James says: $2750 Cos says: so thats pretty sick isnt it? James says: yeah lol it's pretty sick, 56% ROI Cos says: u win a couple of games yday? James says: yeah binked a 90 man it's def promising man, i think i can make more money than i do at heads up and i think i can play more games - because bar the horrible variance, they're kind of enjoyable think i've played enough to know i'm not just running good over the last coupla weeks Cos says: just make sure u take breaks when u get fed up but well done man good start post this stuff on the thread will help motivate u everyone will give u well dones etc James says: yeah man, cheers... the 5 minute breaks on Full Tilt are really beneficial and i'm stopping this session after 16 losses cos I can't take the pain lol Cos says: lol James says: only 942 games to go! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on June 27, 2009, 06:31:36 PM I meant post your progress rather than our msn conversations lol but wd good start mate.
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 27, 2009, 06:40:01 PM I meant post your progress rather than our msn conversations lol but wd good start mate. Do I prefer... [X] Writing something once? [ ] Writing something twice? :) but thanks hehe Title: Day Two Post by: MC on June 28, 2009, 03:10:24 PM As mentioned, went on such a sick run in my second session, I think I won about 2 all-in showdowns in 16 matches or something. I was perhaps being punished for potentially not making the most of a couple of final tables I made earlier in the day :(
Starting bankroll: $3232.60 (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1503/blondeday2.jpg) (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/blondeday2.jpg/) Current bankroll: $3467.00 Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Bongo on June 28, 2009, 05:06:03 PM Nice one mate :)up
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: KarmaDope on June 28, 2009, 05:55:58 PM James, what program/site are you using for those stats?
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 28, 2009, 08:34:27 PM James, what program/site are you using for those stats? The top bit is taken from Hold 'em Manager, and the bottom bit is recent results on Sharkscope... I downloaded some mods for Full Tilt today, it looks sweet now, so much better! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 28, 2009, 11:21:15 PM [ ] I enjoyed this hand
($24+2, 90 man final table) No-Limit Hold'em, $3000.00 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) CO ($80133) Button ($34040) Fido7Dido (SB) ($16150) BB ($19015) UTG ($57844) MP1 ($13770) MP2 ($49048) Preflop: Fido7Dido is SB with K(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif), K(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif) 3 folds, CO calls $3000, 1 fold, Fido7Dido bets $14250, BB raises $15615, CO calls $15615 Flop: ($52980) 2(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif), 4(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif), A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif) (3 players) Turn: ($52980) 3(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif) (3 players) River: ($52980) 7(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif) (3 players) Total pot: $52980 Results: Fido7Dido had K(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif), K(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif) (one pair, Kings). BB had 5(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif), 5(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif) (straight, five high). CO had 10(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif), Q(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif) (high card, Ace). Outcome: BB won $55780 Title: Day Three Post by: MC on June 29, 2009, 12:21:21 PM Didn't get that many games in yesterday, still have a 45% ROI, so running above expectation overall. I've been using Sharkscope HUD and there's usually about 3 winning players on each table, ROI's are in the 15-30% region, I still think 20% is the realistic goal...
Starting bankroll: $3467.00 Current bankroll: $3517.00 Title: Day Four Post by: MC on June 30, 2009, 01:26:47 PM Was intending to do a big evening session. But Full Tilt decided to crash on me mid game, so I loaded up the Beta version and finished off the games I'd started. Then spent the rest of the night doing all I could to clean my computer and following recommended steps to prevent lag. If I didn't run HEM I guess I wouldn't have a problem, but sometimes it just gives you a push in the right direction on the borderline decisions and don't really want to give it up.
Anyway, ran super good in essence, could've been better with two 60:40 spots to win that 90 man as well, but not to be... Bare in mind I'm gonna face some sick downswings, because this ROI isn't sustainable. No-one I've sharkscoped has an ROI as high as mine is currently over a big sample. Starting bankroll: $3517.00 Games played (today): 10 Games played (total): 84 Current bankroll: $4030.40 Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: boldie on June 30, 2009, 01:42:47 PM very nice start.
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on June 30, 2009, 01:55:49 PM Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Graham C on June 30, 2009, 02:32:14 PM Do the SS stats include bounties taken? I'm only curious as I've been playing a few of the smaller stakes ones recently.
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on June 30, 2009, 02:47:09 PM Thanks guys!
Do the SS stats include bounties taken? I'm only curious as I've been playing a few of the smaller stakes ones recently. Nah man they don't. If you look in the graphic they consider the 90 mans as $20 tournaments. They are actually $24+2, but $4 goes into the bounty pot. Hold 'em Manager picks up the bounties though so the stats at the top are correct... Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: sweet potata! on June 30, 2009, 02:52:05 PM Good luck with this man, it seems a great idea to me its practically printing money for you i would imagine. I play a few of them myself i had you at my table a couple of times in the last couple of days. I promise i wont take you out though if we play again!
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Bongo on June 30, 2009, 02:52:21 PM Sick start mate!
Hope silo posting hasn't bokked you! ;grr; Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Graham C on June 30, 2009, 03:18:03 PM Cheers MC, will get HEM on the go
Hope silo posting hasn't bokked you! ;grr; gtfo, you too!!!! :D Title: Re: Day Four Post by: thetank on June 30, 2009, 04:27:11 PM If I didn't run HEM I guess I wouldn't have a problem, but sometimes it just gives you a push in the right direction on the borderline decisions and don't really want to give it up. If you started a new database would that make things run quicker? Title: Re: Day Four Post by: MC on June 30, 2009, 04:58:00 PM If I didn't run HEM I guess I wouldn't have a problem, but sometimes it just gives you a push in the right direction on the borderline decisions and don't really want to give it up. If you started a new database would that make things run quicker? That's worth a try, cheers tank Will keep you all updated on the extent of Silo's bokkage later on, lol... Title: Day Five Post by: MC on July 01, 2009, 12:55:20 PM So did Silo end up bokking me?.....
.....maybe My first real shot a putting some volume in. Things could have gone so much better with me going deep in the last 5 games I played but only scoring a 2nd and a 3rd, am pretty pissed off with how I played late on in those, and feel I could've pulled off a profit for the day. Having said that it could all have been so much worse. I ran really bad in my first session, and just couldn't win a hand. Looked like I was freefalling but managed to bink a first place to turn it around. ROI is becoming more realistic, 33% now. Still optimistic generally, and I'm still eager to play which is a good sign for me in keeping this going for 1000 games and beyond that... Starting bankroll: $4030.40 (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1f872710f3.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) Games played (today): 10 Games played (total): 84 Current bankroll: $3817.60 Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: boldie on July 01, 2009, 01:10:42 PM That's Silo for ya.
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Graham C on July 01, 2009, 03:02:32 PM Bare in mind I'm gonna face some sick downswings, because this ROI isn't sustainable. No-one I've sharkscoped has an ROI as high as mine is currently over a big sample. QFTMFT Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: gatso on July 01, 2009, 05:10:31 PM Bare in mind I'm gonna face some sick downswings, because Silo won't stop posting on my thread QFTMFT Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 01, 2009, 05:33:20 PM Had to wait ~5 minutes for that gag to scroll into place.
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Graham C on July 01, 2009, 05:42:44 PM yeah me too, not funny imo ;)
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: boldie on July 01, 2009, 06:08:54 PM Had to wait ~5 minutes for that gag to scroll into place. [X] worth it Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 01, 2009, 07:12:48 PM Had to wait ~5 minutes for that gag to scroll into place. [X] worth it Lololol +1 I'm only kiddin' Silo, I don't believe in all that bokking stuff. I like being spurred on :) Fun hand of the day: ***** Hand History for Game 13139952861 ***** (Full Tilt) $60000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 01, 02:08:02 ET 2009 Table 24 2 KO Sit Go (97452699) Table 9 (Real Money) Seat 5 is the button Seat 1: TANKKKK ( $15030.00 USD ) Seat 2: flapjacklips ( $1615.00 USD ) Seat 3: imamackem ( $14270.00 USD ) Seat 4: oOPokerJok3rOo ( $6980.00 USD ) Seat 5: oambegga ( $4526.00 USD ) Seat 6: calliator ( $9760.00 USD ) Seat 7: Fido7Dido ( $6020.00 USD ) Seat 8: KenShiro01 ( $19087.00 USD ) Seat 9: seebass74 ( $9815.00 USD ) calliator posts small blind [$300.00 USD]. Fido7Dido posts big blind [$600.00 USD]. TANKKKK posts ante of [$75.00 USD]. + All post ante of [$75.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Fido7Dido [ Ac Qh ] KenShiro01 folds seebass74 raises [$1800.00 USD] TANKKKK folds flapjacklips folds imamackem folds oOPokerJok3rOo folds oambegga calls [$1800.00 USD] calliator folds Fido7Dido raises [$5345.00 USD] seebass74 raises [$7940.00 USD] oambegga calls [$2651.00 USD] seebass74 shows [Ad, Th ] oambegga shows [Td, Ahrt ] Fido7Dido shows [Ac, Qh ] seebass74 wins $3795.00 USD ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Tc, Jh ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ] ** Dealing River ** [ 4s ] seebass74 wins $2988.00 USD from main pot seebass74 wins $7164.00 USD from main pot oambegga wins $7164.00 USD from main pot Title: Swongs Post by: MC on July 01, 2009, 08:02:51 PM This graph is for the last 2 days. Perhaps what it doesn't depict is that if I lost the last 9 games I entered in the last session, I'd have been -$1000 for those 2 days...fortunately I picked up 3 big cashes...but just goes to show the potential swings in a short space of time, even though only a $26 buy-in...
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 01, 2009, 10:24:40 PM [ ] Big swongs
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 01, 2009, 10:38:47 PM [ ] Big swongs Lol, guess I'm used to less variance games, cos a 40 buy-in swong seems big to me! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 01, 2009, 10:46:57 PM Maybe big in terms of buy-ins but probably not that big in terms of your $/hour
keep winning :) Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 01, 2009, 11:02:59 PM To be fair, those swongs probably are quite big.
What with whatchimecallit the other day who plays the 45 mans on Pokeystars saying that $500 was his biggest ever swong over many thousand games. Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 02, 2009, 12:11:38 AM To be fair, those swongs probably are quite big. What with whatchimecallit the other day who plays the 45 mans on Pokeystars saying that $500 was his biggest ever swong over many thousand games. Yeah, mbn! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 02, 2009, 12:16:49 AM + I'm probs just bitter bunny who believes that anything you can get out of in less than a week isn't a hole.
Title: Day Six Post by: MC on July 02, 2009, 01:38:41 PM + I'm probs just bitter bunny who believes that anything you can get out of in less than a week isn't a hole. Lol, I know what you mean man... So like I said, yesterday was a day that was going really horribly, was losing every single coinflip was what I remember at the time, but then had 3 good results at the end of the session to make it a good day... Starting bankroll: $3817.60 (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7956/blondeday6.jpg) Games played (today): 30 Games played (total): 163 Current bankroll: $4149.20 Title: Day Seven Post by: MC on July 04, 2009, 12:25:46 PM Didn't play on Thursday, and just one session yesterday. It went well, but perhaps missed an opportunity to have an awesome session as things were going my way more often than average.
Starting bankroll: $4149.20 Games played (today): 18 Games played (total): 181 Current bankroll: $4375.60 Title: Day Eight Post by: MC on July 05, 2009, 04:37:27 PM (http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Family-Guy-Puke-A-Thon-family-guy-2772560-513-386.gif)
Ran so bad on final tables yesterday; bubbling and shallow cashing whenever I got there. Usually by getting undersetted. 90 mans went gross as well, no finals in 19 games. Winrate wise, I guess it's put me more on track with what you'd expect. ROI is at 16% now, so actually potentially a little below expectation now, but won't let this downswing get me down. Starting bankroll: $4375.60 (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8182/blondeday8.jpg) Games played (today): 48 Games played (total): 229 Current bankroll: $3655.20 Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 05, 2009, 05:58:40 PM Ugh
Good luck in the next session. Run better hopefully. Which do you prefer 90 or 45? Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on July 05, 2009, 08:02:10 PM ul for last session James.
When running that badly maybe try not to play as many games, 'tomorrow is another day' and all that... Title: Day Nine Post by: MC on July 06, 2009, 05:06:53 PM I'm afraid no reprieve to the sickness. I am noticably running super bad. I really don't remember such a sustained period of not being able to win an all-in showdown. Does anyone know of any software that can analyze luck for these kind of tournaments? It seems the luck adjusted winnings doesn't work on Hold 'em Manager for these. It would be reassuring to see some stats that say I'm running super bad.
All I can say is I think I'm playing well. I know what you're saying Greeky, maybe I could have cut my sessions a bit short, but I was trying to play as much as I could over the weekend cos I think there's more donks at that time. If I'd felt I was playing worse I would have stopped, but as far as I'm aware I'm playing as well as I did the first seven days. Although obviously recent results give me doubts that I've gotten complacent or something. Even so, there's no way I'm a -66% ROI player, and that's how I've run the last 2 days. I might have a break to clear my head from this. It's a pretty sick downswing to endure. Tank, I'm not sure which one I prefer, 45/90. I played only 45s yesterday, because that's what I had been doing better in overall so far. 45s have a slower structure, but 90 mans you're more deep early so that's perhaps better for getting chips off the donks in good spots before they bust. Would anybody mind if I include PokerStars $25+2 45 man tournaments in this proposal? I'm going to assume that's cool unless any investors specifically say it's not. Just because it's so in the realms of the proposal. Obviously I wouldn't take this line asking if I could play $500 Omaha Hi-Lo Super Turbo Heads Ups or something! Starting bankroll: $3655.20 (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/614/blondeday9.jpg) Games played (today): 30 Games played (total): 229 Current bankroll: $3274.20 Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Longy on July 06, 2009, 06:16:36 PM Just look at the cEV thing in HEM will give you an idea of how bad you are running, it is in the list of options of things you can have displayed.
Title: Re: Day Nine Post by: thetank on July 06, 2009, 08:14:57 PM Well, I'm no longer arguing whether you're in a proper downswing or not. You're officially running shitty.
I know exactly how you feel because I've been in a fair few similar spots this year. Great big downswings, 1,000+ game breakeven stretches, (which is an awful lot when you only play 5 regular speed comps at a time) Got to the point where I hit a complete wall with the STTs so I looked at trying different things such as heads up and MTT SNGs. Eventually decided to move to the 45 mans on Full Tilt. They really are good games imo. Regarding shorter sessions. I don't think this is necessarily a problem. 50 games or whatever the Saturday one was, given that you have a 5 minute break every hour, doesn't sound like too big a session for a full time player such as yourself. I used to have the problem with my sessions that the losing ones would be longer and winning sessions would be shorter, but I think this has more to do with the temptation to end a winning session prematurely than being a degen and trying to plug on regardless and break even before bedtime. (Which I reckon I don't do) Maybe you're going through something similar. Deciding upon a session length before it's starts is the way to go imo. Regarding the confidence thing, totally been there. I'm a bit skeptical about all-in luck analyzers though. They never tell the whole story. Maybe posting a few bustout hands for the likes on Longy to pick over and offer suggestions. A lot of the MTT specialists could probably have something relevant to say too and there are plenty of them on blonde. My game is far from perfect, so I don't like to comment on other people's in any kind of patronizing way. Bearing in mind I'm a nit, you would probably get much more top 3 finishes than me over thousands of games. But to try and be helpful I'll point out one hand where I was a non participant at the table and it raised my eyebrow. My recall may be a little fuzzy. At 40/80 the blinds were I think, there was one limper and you limped behind in either the CO or BTN with K9s (spades). Your stack was something between 1k and 2k. A 9 high flop with one spade was checked to you by 3 players. You bet, got check raised by one of the blinds and you went all-in. The flop play was probably fine, but I just don't see the value in playing that hand pre. Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 06, 2009, 11:19:59 PM Thanks for that post tank.
"but I think this has more to do with the temptation to end a winning session prematurely" ^^This is true of me I think. I play the volume I should be putting in anyway in a losing session, but earlier in the week if I was in a spots where I was at a few final tables at a time and thought "this is a good place to end the session" The hand you speak of, I occasionally overlimp if I have position on a couple of limpers in the early levels if I have them pegged as bad players and I have suited connectors or hands like that. I've been playing fairly passive in the first couple of levels, then I start to get aggro as the blinds go up to like 50/100. I thought this strategy was working nicely but perhaps I need to analyse this. Can't do anything about the flop against a fishy player (stats and sharkscope based). But can see why you this hand makes it look like I'm spewing. But bear in mind this is one hand out of thousands, and this is one of my worst busts that I recall. ***** Hand History for Game 13222109267 ***** (Full Tilt) $6000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, July 05, 07:34:02 ET 2009 Table 24 2 Sit Go (98003182) Table 3 (Real Money) Seat 7 is the button Seat 1: RIICKERD ( $1650.00 USD ) Seat 2: rudyard ( $1180.00 USD ) Seat 3: bjbama ( $1470.00 USD ) Seat 4: UNCGPoker ( $1175.00 USD ) Seat 5: Fido7Dido ( $1860.00 USD ) Seat 6: spin_48 ( $3245.00 USD ) Seat 7: GilbertM24 ( $1760.00 USD ) Seat 8: the_nutz03 ( $940.00 USD ) Seat 9: dread11 ( $2065.00 USD ) the_nutz03 posts small blind [$30.00 USD]. dread11 posts big blind [$60.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Fido7Dido [ 9s Ks ] RIICKERD folds rudyard folds bjbama calls [$60.00 USD] UNCGPoker folds Fido7Dido calls [$60.00 USD] spin_48 folds GilbertM24 calls [$60.00 USD] the_nutz03 calls [$30.00 USD] dread11 checks ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 9c, 5s ] the_nutz03 checks dread11 checks bjbama checks Fido7Dido bets [$240.00 USD] GilbertM24 raises [$480.00 USD] the_nutz03 folds dread11 folds bjbama folds Fido7Dido raises [$1560.00 USD] GilbertM24 calls [$1220.00 USD] Fido7Dido shows [9s, Ks ] GilbertM24 shows [9h, 9d ] Fido7Dido wins $100.00 USD ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ] ** Dealing River ** [ 4d ] GilbertM24 wins $3700.00 USD from main pot Is there any way to filter bust hands on HEM? Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: thetank on July 06, 2009, 11:54:46 PM Dunno about filtering bust out hands. Maybe if you filtered for a blind level and clicked to sort by the amount of chips lost you'd see a bunch of bustout hands.
What I do is have notepad or something open while I'm playing, and as I play a hand, bustout or w/ever, if I think it warrants later analysis I click on the buttons at the top of the sidebar thing to copy it and then I just CTRL+V it into notepad (and tap enter a couple of times to open a new line ready for the next one) Once a week I have a look at all the hands I saved and decide that I am a tard. :) Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 07, 2009, 12:43:52 PM I'm sorry guys, I want to pull out of this thing early. I hope you don't consider it a grim, and obviously if I'd lost money I would play my way out of the hole and not just quit. But the whole reason I did this was for motivation and stuff, and I'm not enjoying the pressure this downswing is putting me under. Not that it's you guys putting me under it, it's me putting it under myself. I know it's just a bad downswing, and things would inevitably turn good, but there's other things such as the lack of games I can play per hour. I underestimated how long this would take as I've only managed 6 games an hour so far and I was managing 15 on pokerstars before I did this.
If I set something up like this again, all you guys will be reserved a slice should you want to take it. I won't include the 10 straight matches I lost on the $27s on pokerstars yesterday cos that wasn't in the initial proposal anyway. I hope you all understand, and I apologise for this whole mess. It's made me feel rather stupid tbh. I'll ship the monies back to where you sent them from... $3012.10 $301.21 10% - GreekStein 10% - Woodsey 10% - Eck 10% - DaveShoelace 10% - Dino1980 10% - Bongo $150.60 5% - Amatay (That's not a bad idea tank, I might employ that myself....) Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on July 07, 2009, 12:47:07 PM Understand your decision mate though we all understand the variance and are happy to hold on if you want to.
Having said that I'm sure it's not a rash decision. Let me know for any future staking things - I'm definitely in. Bank xfer s'il vous plait Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 07, 2009, 12:50:48 PM Understand your decision mate though we all understand the variance and are happy to hold on if you want to. Having said that I'm sure it's not a rash decision. Let me know for any future staking things - I'm definitely in. Bank xfer s'il vous plait Thanks mate appreciate that. I'm just a bit worried I'm gonna donk everyone's money. I think I'm gonna move over to stars, drop stakes, and see if this is a viable prospect for me. If I can come back and show you guys some good long term stats, I might do something like this again then. If not I should just go back to heads ups really. Dunno why I'm so reluctant to do that! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on July 07, 2009, 12:51:53 PM Dunno why I'm so reluctant to do that! Because easy money is too easy and you're a poker player. that would be too simple Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Bongo on July 07, 2009, 01:06:38 PM It would only be a grim if you didn't ship the money! ;)
I can't complain, there is no point in you playing if you're not happy in the games - you wouldn't be playing your best. Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 07, 2009, 01:15:17 PM Cheers man.
Only Eck might consider me a grimmer then, have shipped to everyone else! Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: GreekStein on July 07, 2009, 01:42:52 PM Cheers man. Only Eck might consider me a grimmer then, have shipped to everyone else! Eck just text me - keep the money he says Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: dino1980 on July 07, 2009, 02:18:47 PM Monies recieved, ty Fido. Gl on Stars, you'll definitely get more games going at once over there, although no rakeback obv, you thought about playing some games on both sites at the same time?
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 07, 2009, 02:28:43 PM Monies recieved, ty Fido. Gl on Stars, you'll definitely get more games going at once over there, although no rakeback obv, you thought about playing some games on both sites at the same time? Np man Yeah I tried that man, it's a bit tilty cos it lags up my computer, plus the structures are so different. I'm a platinum star for the rest of the month so that might make up a little for lack of rakeback.... Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Rupert on July 08, 2009, 02:44:21 AM bit gutted i missed this thread, GL anyway looks like youre doing well :)
Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: boldie on July 08, 2009, 11:06:48 AM bit gutted i missed this thread, GL anyway looks like youre doing well :) you sure read this thread. Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: MC on July 08, 2009, 11:57:29 AM bit gutted i missed this thread, GL anyway looks like youre doing well :) you sure read this thread. Lol, thinly veiled rubdown imo... Title: Re: 1000 45/90 man MTT SNGs on Full Tilt Post by: Woodsey on July 08, 2009, 10:15:05 PM No worries, cash received.
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