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Title: What now ?
Post by: sweet potata! on June 30, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
How would people go about this hand now after that flop comes down?Considering stack sizes money in the pot and blah blah


Full Tilt Poker Game #13117878634: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (97307312),
Seat 1: guamis (2,795)
Seat 2: marcomotard (583)
Seat 4: marci64 (2,225)
Seat 5: Gaz15 (1,430)
Seat 6: FullBoatFlop (3,235)
Seat 7: markxu (2,808)
Seat 8: Oksano4ka (3,034)
Seat 9: mbalazs1126 (2,730)
Gaz15 posts the small blind of 30
FullBoatFlop posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gaz15 [Qh Ac]
markxu folds
Oksano4ka folds
mbalazs1126 folds
guamis folds
marcomotard folds
marci64 calls 60
Gaz15 raises to 199
FullBoatFlop folds
marci64 calls 139
*** FLOP *** [7c Td 8d]


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: Graham C on June 30, 2009, 03:59:48 PM
I think I would cbet 295.  If raised I'd pass.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: EvilPie on June 30, 2009, 04:06:46 PM
Flat pre. This is a bad hand oop unless it hits. By checking you're more likely to get paid if you actually hit as well cus they won't put you on an ace.

No point c betting now imo. You're inviting a shove then you have to pass and you've done nearly half your stack.

Just check and hope to see it through to showdown.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: Graham C on June 30, 2009, 04:07:36 PM
You mean complete pre?

sigh, should have quoted to look less of a donkey.   I know flatting is completing obv.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: sweet potata! on July 02, 2009, 01:56:54 PM
I think I would cbet 295.  If raised I'd pass.

More or less did this, obv i got raised then i layed down. Just wondered if the check/fold or pot/call was an option here. Seems very weak to just check then fold to a bet.

Oh to evilpie, hmm flatting in that spot again i thought would be really weak , maybe not though huh


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: mckelinho on July 06, 2009, 04:35:31 PM

Gaz15 raises to 199

*** FLOP *** [7c Td 8d]

Never do this again!!! it is horrible

Whats the point in betting 199?

1.  You are either doing it saying i have a great hand but i'm only betting 199, not 200 so just call me.

or 2. Your betting saying i'm a fish, who never plays live (as no experience live player will go on line and start betting figures like this)

It is very much more than likely that the players at the table know which one of the above it is. Stick to round numbers

The region of the bet isnt bad, maybe 150-180 more suitable but 199 is ridiculous



Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: gatso on July 06, 2009, 05:58:44 PM

Never do this again!!! it is horrible

Whats the point in betting 199?

1.  You are either doing it saying i have a great hand but i'm only betting 199, not 200 so just call me.

or 2. Your betting saying i'm a fish, who never plays live (as no experience live player will go on line and start betting figures like this)

It is very much more than likely that the players at the table know which one of the above it is. Stick to round numbers

The region of the bet isnt bad, maybe 150-180 more suitable but 199 is ridiculous


I hate this advice

abs nothing wrong with a raise to 199 here

and your suggestion of 150 into a limped pot at 30/60 is a bit meh


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: Longy on July 06, 2009, 06:07:36 PM

Gaz15 raises to 199

*** FLOP *** [7c Td 8d]

Never do this again!!! it is horrible

Whats the point in betting 199?

1.  You are either doing it saying i have a great hand but i'm only betting 199, not 200 so just call me.

or 2. Your betting saying i'm a fish, who never plays live (as no experience live player will go on line and start betting figures like this)

It is very much more than likely that the players at the table know which one of the above it is. Stick to round numbers

The region of the bet isnt bad, maybe 150-180 more suitable but 199 is ridiculous



I don't like this advice either, I fail to see how making it 199 makes you look like a fish. Generally the bet sizing of online players tends to be far better than live players in my experience anyway and what your average live player knows about online sngs is miniscule compared to online specialists.

As for the hand i just complete pre oop and if were to raise i would make it a bit more say 223 (jk obv). I don't mind check giving up this particularly flop as it extremely wet (draw heavy).


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: kukushkin88 on July 06, 2009, 06:08:25 PM
Betting random amounts is fine. People play slightly more spewily against random amounts = a big edge in the long run.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: MC on July 06, 2009, 06:10:32 PM
199 is ridiculous

[ ] 199 is ridiculous
[ ] 150-180 is more suitable


On this flop, it's c-bet then shutdown of he calls/raises, or check/fold. Both are fine imo.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: MC on July 06, 2009, 06:10:54 PM
150-180 more suitable but 199 is ridiculous 199 is ridiculous

Agree with those above,

[ ] 199 is ridiculous
[ ] 150-180 is more suitable


C-bet then shut down if called/raised, or check/fold both fine here imo...



Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: sweet potata! on July 06, 2009, 06:21:00 PM

Gaz15 raises to 199

*** FLOP *** [7c Td 8d]

Never do this again!!! it is horrible

Whats the point in betting 199?

1.  You are either doing it saying i have a great hand but i'm only betting 199, not 200 so just call me.

or 2. Your betting saying i'm a fish, who never plays live (as no experience live player will go on line and start betting figures like this)

It is very much more than likely that the players at the table know which one of the above it is. Stick to round numbers

The region of the bet isnt bad, maybe 150-180 more suitable but 199 is ridiculous



I bet 199 to be cool ldo. You must seriously not play online much at all because everyone is betting those random amounts these days, it's all the rage.Try it someday, it's fun!

Tbh I'd be on the other side and would be thinking it's usually a decent player that takes the time to type in that sort of bet rather than someone betting like 4 x BB or something because it's convenient.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: pokerfan on July 06, 2009, 07:57:18 PM

Gaz15 raises to 199

*** FLOP *** [7c Td 8d]

Never do this again!!! it is horrible

Whats the point in betting 199?

1.  You are either doing it saying i have a great hand but i'm only betting 199, not 200 so just call me.

or 2. Your betting saying i'm a fish, who never plays live (as no experience live player will go on line and start betting figures like this)

It is very much more than likely that the players at the table know which one of the above it is. Stick to round numbers

The region of the bet isnt bad, maybe 150-180 more suitable but 199 is ridiculous



I bet 199 to be cool ldo. You must seriously not play online much at all because everyone is betting those random amounts these days, it's all the rage.Try it someday, it's fun!

Tbh I'd be on the other side and would be thinking it's usually a decent player that takes the time to type in that sort of bet rather than someone betting like 4 x BB or something because it's convenient.
Any on line bet that ends 00 is a bluff obv


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: mckelinho on July 07, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
I am not vastly experienced online, i dont play poker for a living but i still have a reasonable amount of online play and make profit online and i cant remember one time in any sit n go that i have played where the player raising these daft amount has even went onto cash never mind win!!


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: LeKnave on July 07, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
or 2. Your betting saying i'm a fish, who never plays live (as no experience live player will go on line and start betting figures like this)

A+


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: jonny2jabs on June 23, 2010, 11:25:30 AM
In this situation i think im flatting pre, rather keep the pot small at this stage.

As played, check to showdown. C-betting is committing too much of your stack as he could potentially shove a wide range of draws which we are ahead of.

If (and its a massive if) im going to bet at any stage in this hand it would be a completely blank turn and its checked to me again. But 90% of the time im attempting to get to showdown, and passing to a bet.


Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: DMorgan on August 03, 2010, 03:04:46 AM
I like making it 180 pre. In this format keeping pots small whilst also taking the initiative pre is normally always going to be more desirable than making big pots preflop and having to bet/call with stuff like 2 overs and a gutshot/backdoor flush draw as can be standard in MTTs.

That said though, this is a pretty horrendous board for our hand so I like a check/fold. Generally raising pre and bet/folding for a third of your stack is gunna be pretty spewy and generally an undesirable situation.

Shoving pre is also an option and is definitely +EV since we're only 25bbs deep and we very rarely are behind with AQ here and winning this pot increases our stack by 10% but without antes I think the small raise/re-evaluate flop line is best



Title: Re: What now ?
Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 03, 2010, 06:20:00 AM
think iv just cracked my recent troubles online, when the blinds are 300-600 i like making it 1399 FML