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which is better?


i love the fact that wwe om sky i know when the event are on etc etc
monday you get the raw live
and if you want tou can see all the pay per views

TNA i am new too
not really sure when the weekly shows are (is ther eonly one)
you dont get the live
and not sure about the pay per view


but the action in TNA seems so much more in the ring and less about the bickering and bitching for the cameras

No question WWE!!!

i forgot the diva looks much dirtier on tna

WWE

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TNA

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You decide

WWE by a mile even if it seems to be deteriorating on a weekly basis, but come one TNA is usually full of washed up Ex WWE wrestlers so that should suggest something.

yeah you decide do you wanna watch a musclehead or a guy who can actually wrestle

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or

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hum mind still not made up

Online wrestling is rigged

is giant haystacks still alive?

No

yeah he is in the ecw stable

I genuinely worry about people who like either

ok options are wrestling for 2 houra or back to back emerdale.eastenders,corrie,neighbours?

your thinking of wcw

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What have TNA got in their Arsenal? Just fat boy Samoa Joe?

jeff hardy is not a great wrestler

the best wrestler on wwe is shelton benjamen hes just shit on the microphone so will never get a push

why the obsession with watching either one shit thing or another shit thing? just spend the time doing something good instead

or surf for porn?

Juune Jeff Hardy is awesome.

What does TNA have to offer apart from a weird shaped ring and tiny pokey little arenas with 200 people?

AJ STYLES>>>>>>jeff hardy IMO

AJ Borefest

WWE has just got lazy, they seem to have decided after getting rid of ECW & WCW that they don't need to try as much.


IMO:

Big Guys: WWE
Guys who take a proper bump: TNA
Wrestling instead of soap opera: TNA
Women wrestlers who can wrestle as well as look hot: TNA
Luchador style fliers: WWE - but they hardly use them now
Characters instead of chiseled lunkheads with no charisma: TNA

TNA's edging it for me now - WWE hasn't recovered from the Benoit diaster & hasn't replaced the characters like Stone Cold & the Rock. Paul Shawn Michaels (oops) is so past it his fights just aren't entertaining anymore.

rod who si paul michaels i assume you mean shaun?

Yep - sorry about that - Paul from the desk near me was annoying about work & putting me off the real important stuff.

Thanks for the concern!


No I'm not.

 Kurt angle ,Booker T , Dudley boys, Kevin Nash, X-pac etc...

That line up is just basically a 2003 WWE but older.

WWE owns, even though it needs a kick up the arse at the moment

Choosing person to argue logic with fail from gatso

Glorified bodybuilder or someone who can actually wrestle?

Not the best example for why wwe is better than tna

Your picks for who the fittest bloke on TV is need to go on another thread Cos

Listen mugs, Batista is part Greek - we all have bodies a bit like that.

Are you Greek?

Level obv,cos is too famous for you not to know that

Oh and there both really really shit

They are the same age though

UFC>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other combat (wake or otherwise) Sport!

Boxing>>>>>>>>>any other combat sport

Tiddlywinks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any other sport of any type FACT

who does rowdy roddy piper play for?

He  is a WWE hall of famer.

this

what happend to the charity blonde bash boxing match?

just let me know, i'll turn up with my t-shirt and bash ther shit out of whoever

Evilpie might take you up on that!

GG Evilpie then

I'm guessing you've not seen Evilpie!

He's the tubby, bald one, no?..Nice guy but obv soft as anything.

If it's boxing I might struggle. Is that the one like thai boxing but just using your hands and with big puffy gloves on?

Make it MMA and it's game on though. Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

fuck it we'll just have a tear up in the street first then go in the casino and jump boldie if you like?

Sounds like a plan mate. Bit of a ruck then smash Boldie.

Fun times!!!!!

Sigh, I told you before Mr Pie...I'd destroy you and you know it!

Not going to be much hair pulling in these rucks is there.

what do people think of the rock coming back to raw

last ditch effort to save the brand or a stroke of genius?

not watched it in a few years, but just seen hes back

incred!

Stroke of genius to use The Rock as a last ditch effort, imo.

15 min promo showed The Rock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>current wwe

I popped like a mark.

His speech stated he was back for good? is this true?

Great signing even if it is just for WM, but at the end of the day the "PG" image is killing the product IMO, having said that the ME storylines and keeping Orton and Cena out of the mix for a few weeks has worked really well.

dont blame you for not watching its been going downhill for ages smackdown has overtaken it imho not that i watch much of smackdown but when i do it seems to have better storylines and wrestling
just hope the core doesnt bring smackdown down as nexus has done to raw

Stopped watching when Orton had his bike accident, saw his 20 minute skit on youtube. Think I'm gonna have to stay up an hour after I finish work on Monday nights to watch Raw again now if he's making a proper comeback he's com

The Rock!!! What a boss

The rocks back to wwe

/thread

3 or 4 years ago TNA >>>>>>>>>>>>. WWE by an absolute mile. There wrestlers were so much more talented. In 09 and '10 it went rapidly downhill, Bishcoff and Hogan decided they were gunna turn the company into WCW from 2000 and pretty much send it busto by bringing in shit wrestlers like Jeff Hardy, Flair (lol) and RVD, and making them main eventers, and stopping the original TNA talent from progressing (A.J Styles, Samao Joe and Christopher daniels were the nuts). i am a huge wrestling geek, dont think iv missed a tna, raw  or smackdown or PPV for about 5 years, never grew out of wrestling when i should have.

The rock is still the nuts on the mic and puts everyone else to shame. Gotta feeling WWE gunna try and do what Hogan did with the Rock in 2003, when they braught hogan back to face the rock at WM) but they are going to make it The rock vs Cena at wrestlemania. Obviously they will have to turn one of them heel, probably be the rock, as wwe could not lose the merchandise sales they get from kids buying cenation t shirts. Interesting to see how they work it. They may have the rock as special guest referee between The miz and Cena for the title. hmmmm.

Those tna wrestlers you mentioned were/are pretty damn talented but tna as a show has never come close to wwe.

One thing I love about WWE is when they have a big comeback, so will be looking forward to downloading this episode (was it known he was coming back?).

However, why didnt they do it at the Rumble? That would have been one of the all time great moments if the crowd counted down and Rocky popped out, rock bottomed the fuck out of everyone then peoples elbowed some jabroney.

HHH is meant to be coming back before wrestlemania

Rock vs HHH was always classic, in fact that matchup practically ran the WWE for about 18 months and it was great.

Rock vs Hogan at Wrestlemania was the greatest match of all time imo, no real gimmicks, just a great story being told.

So I just read the Rock wont actually be wrestling, hope thats a level.

When did Cena turn heel btw?

Rock is just guest host, cena isn't heel at present

0% chance he'll be wrestling.  I think we'll only see him a couple more times between now and Wrestlemania. They'll tease the Cena/Rock staredown and wait till the ppv for it.

Also tna hasn't even come close to wwe as an overall product.

a few years ago it had the potential of doing so, in my eyes anyway, was a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch.it was never gunna come close to turning the same profits as the wwe but it had a chance to increase its own popularity. however vince rousso is the worst at story writing and wasted all the talent. about a year tna moved their weekly show to a monday night and tryed to put it alongside raw, about a month later they changed it back to thursdays. it worked [ ]

rock said a few months ago he wanted to reuturn to the wwe for a bit, but would 100% not wrestle

WTF!!!! The Rock is back? Sigh going to have to start having no sleep every Monday night!

Wow. amazing how many people are sad and still watch wrestling past the age of 6

I admit a few years ago tna had alot of potential, but they could never quite get it right to really push forward.  The last year or so has been abysmal and just been a giant step backwards.

Gtfo bedi!

The best with the stick ever.

Great promo.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04j5Q8pDNuM

skip to 5:25


i honestly think if he ran for a US state Senator he could win
such a great speaker

and usa ppl are abit silly

arnie did it im sure the rock can

Wonder what odds you could get on a rock for president bet...

what is the point of comparing them very diff imo

lol

Finally the Jabroni beating, Pie eating, Eyebrow raising ,Trail Blazing most electrifying superstar in the business has come back!!

because they are both wrestling shows?

Rofl +1

lol + 2 im a moron. Tna is rubbish since hogan and bischoff came in. Its just like a cheap imatation of what wwe used to be now

never been a massive fan of TNA. From what I can tell is that it markets itself in a 'alternative to WWE' kind of way, much like ECW back in the day. However on paper it looks much like a 2nd tier show for retired WWE/WCW stars and up and coming future WWE wrestlers. The championship to WWEs Premiership.

Really
I had a look at WWE as got sky sports for the cricket, and hardly recognised anyone. The standard of WWE is sooo bad nowadays. None of the characters are memorable at all. They are just throwing anybody onto it.
Think it says it all that retirees coming back is the only thing that gets a buzz.

TNA should be sooo much better than it is

The last few years has seen WWE go down hill massivley IMO.

Vinnie Mac is lacking the big charachter to carry the company - the likes of Hogan, Warrior, Hitman, Shawn, Stone Cold, The rock type figure.

The best period of WWE since i started following it in the late 80's was the 'Attitude' era. All of this PG stuff is rubbish. My little boy has started taking an interest in it now so ive had the occasional glance at it but it is dross!


FINALLY, THE ROCK HAS COME BACK TO SAVE THE WWE!!!

that promo he cut on Raw was awesome. made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.
Interesting comments he made about never leaving again......................

Sweet Jesus dont let Spoony see this!

hope triple H enjoys the last 6 weeks of his wrestling career

Was watching Elimination chamber yesterday..just the one fight as didn't have time for all 3 hours of it.

Edge beating Mysterio after taking out The Big Show, Kane, Wade Barret and McGillycuddy Reeks (Or whatever that Scottish bloke is called)

Awesome.

Seamus o'shaunessy

cena was pretty good on the mic tonight in response to the rock from last week, went back to the old DR of Thugonnomics with a bit rapping, was quite funny.

Undertakers return was dead, crowd didnt give a toss, however, when they heard "TIME TO PLAY THE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME" they went absolutly wild. GTFO undertaker, however, it will be bye bye to triple H after wrestlemania.

Just watched that, actually genius when you think about it, a lukewarm pop for the taker set up the big pop for HHH.

Why is HHH gone after Wrestlemania?

Heard a few people say he wants to retire from the inring part and focus on his responsibilities as a Senior Advisor to the chairman. They will do it as a very similiair storyline to last year with HBK. Taker will only put his streak online if HHH puts his carear on the line etc etc. and i very much doubt the wwe would ever break Taker's streak.

Devo'd that Michelle McCool is married to the undertaker.

Ah right.

re: takes streak, I agree he will win then based on that, but I think they will break the Takers streak when he eventually retires, Wrestling has quite a long tradition of making sure people retire on a loser and breaking the streak will be the optimal way of getting a newer guy over.

Taker must be about 70 by now

How the hell did that happen?

Only 45, a real looker in real life too he must be!

Takers previous wife Sara was a looker aswell, must be pretty well hung i think!!

And if anyone could break the streak it is triple H as its basically him who writes the scripts these days lol

She's no Eve Torres or Kelly Kelly

Stone Cold Steve Austin on raw Monday night?

aye hes hosting the new series of Tough Enough

stone cold >> the rock

IMO

Yeah but still

Stone Cold >>The Rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everybody else.

They will only do this against a top draw oppo.

Only two people fit the bill really: Lesnar or The Rock. He'll get to 20 wins first.

Splitting hairs imo.

2000/2001 was immense when you think of the all time great talent on the same shows in that era.

rock vs cena at wrestlemania 28 :-) :-)

Seen!

thank you edge, thank you edge, thank you edge!!

this

All seems a bit strange, especially as the retirement seems legit.
Why not have Del Rio win @ WM?  (Why the hell was the match not Edge vs Christian?)
If they knew it was Edge's last match why was it so low key?

I just can't buy he had a test that they expected would show his need to retire before the big show, to find out the day after that he career was over.

Hope the injury does not lead to any permanent issues for the guy - he was a true superstar, the original TLC match's were quite outstanding.

yeah the tlcs were good
the dudley boys and the hardys were always a good match

the edge vs del rio match at mania was the biggest shock to me, it really was the perfect chance to give a new guy a huge championship push, on the biggest stage of them all, rather than continueing on with the same old same old. also could have been a great chance to have christian cost edge the title, and set up a massive fued between the 2, and have del rio title run at the same time. however, im pretty sure wwe/edge have known his carear was coming to an end, and they felt he deserved a big wrestlemania send off. the match was low key due to the fact the main event HAD to feature the rock, which spoilt the whole of mania IMO. infact mania was spoilt by the rediculous booking it got. having a 40 minute match between cole and lawler, a fat midget doing cartwheels and not giving two great diva's (natalya and beth pheonix a match), they cut out the match between 2 very very good up and coming starts (shaemus and daniel bryan) and a few other things too. Meh, i had fun watching it playing wrestlemania drinking games :)

Shockmaster >> Stone Cold >>The Rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everybody else.

there you go

The Ding Dongs >> Warrior >> Shockmaster >> Stone Cold >>The Rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everybody else.

Macho man ruled

/end thread

Santino Marella FTW

Scotty2Hotty>The Ding Dongs >> Warrior >> Shockmaster >> Stone Cold >>The Rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everybody else.

lol scotty2hotty over the rock! wtf

lol@scotty2hotty over santino or the brooklyn brawler

Hacksaw Jim Duggan>>>>>Scotty2Hotty>The Ding Dongs >> Warrior >> Shockmaster >> Stone Cold >>The Rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everybody else.

half way through the draft and cant see what they are doing
taking to 2 biggest names on raw and putting them on smackdown
only one drafted back so far is ray misterio


sorry but cant see who they could draft to raw to even this up
maybe drafting the big show and kane as a tag team along with the undertaker

didnt see that coming

splitting up kane and the big show is a huge mistake

dont rate mark henry as a wrestler but hope they give him a chance to win some matches now instead of being the regular big man gets beat up stooge
hope they give the big show better stories than they gave mark henry on raw

thinking about it the double draft of cena is lazy writing but he had too stay on raw for him and the rock to continue there feud before next years wrestlemania

Randy Savage has died today it seems - another one gone to heart attack far too young.

Apparently had a heart attack while driving...

RIP Randy

do you think WWE will pay tribute to him as they have other greats who have passed?

So many young deaths in wrestling. 

I think wwe will pay tribute.

RIP macho man he was a legend

WWE and Macho Man have not had a good relationship over the last 10 years+ from what I know, but I imagine they still will.

he shagged vince's daughter didnt he?

WWE have it as the main story on their website, so I assume they'll be something at the ppv or raw.

Randy Savage is my favourite wrestler of all time and he was at his best in the late 80's with the late Miss Elizabeth. Probably the best intercontinental champion of all time (sorry Honky Tonk Man).

Re: any tribute on WWE, the relationship has been bad for much longer than 10 years. Take Stephannie MacMahon's age and takeaway 15 years. Vince did partly "bury the hatchet" when authourised the Macho Man DVD but that could, and probably was, due to a commercial decision. The relationship was so bad that Vince was willing to lose considerable $$$ such was/is his hated for Randy Savage and for Vince to pass up a cash cow you know there's a major problem. I suspect a brief commentn made by the announcers on Raw rather than any big tribute which is a shame as the Macho Man was one of the best ever.

WWE is doing my head in week in week out its the same fights
even down to intruptions

the rosters that weak they need too fill with "from the vault"

think i might try and get into TNA it cant be this bad

The saddest thing is is that it's wwe >>>> tna at the moment

nearly as bad as w.o.s. wrestling when big daddy fought giant haystacks every Saturday

if anyone is interested wwe has been pretty awesome last month or so

cliffs:

Cm punk defeated Cena for title, however, CM punks contract expired and he left wwe with the title
Vince mcmahon stepped down from his chairman duties and triple h is now the on screen owner/chairman of the company
Cm punk was resigned by triple h
Cena won back the vacant title
There are now two wwe champions which seems like its gunna set up a match between punk and cena at summerslam

I agree it has been awesome, mitb was immense.  Saying that (being really pedantic cos I shouldnt complain when its been this good) No way punk shouldve returned this fast.  They couldve had cena/rey  @ Summerslam.  Tease Punk in the mean time, then have him come out at the end of Summerslam.  Holding up the 2 belts, need to let us pay to see it.

The crowd at MITB was brilliant, the 2 MITB matches were class and the atmosphere for the ME was incred.

Hadn't been watcing lately but my bro alerted me to it, was deffo worth a watch.

PP offering odds on Wrestlemania. 

This one was interesting;  Undertaker started at 2/5 about an hour ago now 1/6. 
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/sports-novelties/wwe/The-Undertaker-v-Triple-H-3599106.html

I can get £3 on Triple H @ 4s or £87 on Undertaker @ 1/7 :D

think everyone will be restricted as the results were known 12 months ago

If there was no cap, would lump my life savings on Taker.

I would sling a load on Triple H were it not for the fact that Shawn Michaels is the referee. Wrestling has a rich tradition of retiring their stars on a loss, and surely this would be Takers last match?

However, with Shawn Michaels as guest referee, that ruins it. Storyline wise, that means you would think HBK would swing it for his mate, but in true WWE style, he will heel turn and super kick Triple H instead.

I haven't watched it for a few years, so please correct me if I have my current Triple H/Taker/HBK dynamic wrong.

Taker ain't quitting, he'll be back for his annual 2-3 appearances thus time next year

This most probably will happen to set up triple threat for next year when HHH will win and Taker will retire.

Nah, I somehow see this setting up a fatal four way with Ric Flair also, where the losers have to really really really actually seriously cross their heart and hope to die, actually retire.

Michaels is retired, but could come back for a one-off to face Triple H, so this is possible. Although it would have to be at WM in order to better his current last match.

Undertaker losing is very unlikely as he doesn't plan to retire for another couple of years yet and will likely face Cena before he calls it a day.

Actually, the best long term thing for the WWE is to have some up and coming star end the streak to really get them over - so HHH has no chance imo.

Zack ryder woo woo woo you know it

A few problems with that:
i. HHH has a reputation for keeping people down and pushing himself
ii. Undertaker rarely shows signs of putting younger talent over
iii. wwe doesn't always do what's best

Would love to see Taker put Punk over at WM, esp. if they want Punk to be the new face of the company

The streak will continue, no way will they let undertaker lose imo

After triple h,there's only 1 person big enough to face taker at wm,and that's John cena.

I'm pretty sure this match will be takers last,his body is ruined

Taker is an absolute legend and deserves his 20-0 streak

i think they might pass the mantle onto kane but her hasnt much longer in the game either

When the Rock fights Cena who wins that, in the script?

My lads like WWE so I see it sometimes. It might just be me but its a shadow of what it was 10 years ago isn't it? Lazy storylines, absence of characters?

Or were we just spoilt by The Rock, Undertaker, TripleH etc at their peaks?

No idea. They haven't sent me the script yet! My guess would be John Cena, with Rock winning a return match at the following PPV.


That was also prevalent 10 years ago too, but what they had was competition, which forced them to keep pushing the bar. Mainly due to people like Jeff Hardy, Chris Benoit, etc, Vince is playing it safe these days (again, also due to lack of competition) with a PG rating. Everything's a little more predictable, run-of-the-mill and way too scripted. Scripted has it's place, but you also need spontaneity, and a sense that anything can happen, or that the lines between reality and entertainment will be blurred. That's what keeps people coming back the following week. Having said that, there is the occasional gem, such as Punk v Cena in the summer, and Wrestlemania is shaping up to be pretty tasty this year.

The PG has ruined the wrestling, cm punk is a pour man's stone cold, I keep catching the end of a tna show and think it looks better and some of the stars of past have moved onto there but some of the guys look like they past there sell by date 10-15 years ago

Not worth watching after Stone Cold Steve Austin retired.

He was my childhood right there

& Brock Lesnar after their clash @ a ufc event.

It's a crazy suggestion - but they could always try building up the younger talent into something big so they are worthy of taking on Taker at WM.

Otherwise, I think Brock, Rock, Punk, Cena, Jericho, and Rey Mysterio are worthy, realistic contenders.

Personally, I'd like to see Ziggler get a major push and end the streak. Guy's top drawer.

i. HHH is now back office and isn't needed to put talent over.
ii. Its part of Taker's gimmick that he is invincible and inhuman, so he can't really put newbies over. he doesn't even go to the Hall of Fame in-case the cameras catch him showing emotion.
iii. True

Punk is all ready top of the food chain at WWE so doesn't need a helping hand from Taker.

I have changed my mind, I don't think it will be a triple threat match any more, but maybe that taker will win his last match at the cost of his 'life'. The next year he'll get inducted into the HoF as Mark Calaway.

Randy Orton thoooooooooooo!!

A win over HHH would still be huge for some lucky chappy, back office or not. Sheamus last year is a good example.
Taker's at the tail end of his career - sure he can put a couple of the up-and-comers over on the way out, whatever the gimmick. He doesn't even have to lose to them.
Ratings have been disappointing with Punk on top, sadly.

triple h and cena have been by a mile the 2 biggest stars since the likes of the rock/austin were in there prime. Why would Undertaker go from fighting against triple h, to fighting somebody less big time the year after. it should have been cena this year for the 20-0, rather than repeating last year, and having the same 3 way storyline as they have the last 3 years.

Im not sure why the WWE has such little confidence in their up and coming stars, the likes of barrett, shaemus, ziggler, punk etc are awesome. But they dont have the confidence to put them in the main events at wrestlemania, so they play it safe by having the title matches as the mid card matches, and then bring back taker/hbk/hhh and rock vs cena for the main events, which are guarenteed to get crow reactions just because of peoples views of them stars. The up and coming stars are never gonna grow until the old guard of taker, kane, big show, rock etc leave for good, or these stars lose to the new guys to give the big push.

would love to see brock come back, in the short space of time he was in wwe he was the most dominant, and achieved the most out of any superstar bar none, and he was suprisingly good on the mic, but i cant see him coming back somehow. oh and hes banging sable, mbn wal etc etc

Any educated predictions?
Thinking of having a cheeky flutter.

Cena
Taker
Sheamus
Orton
Is a banker imo

Rhodes to beat Big Show.  Can't see why Rhodes won't go over, unless they want to give Big show his 'wrestlemania moment'

I see a swerve somewhere (as there always is one)  so Punk to lose Jericho.

Team Johnny to win, as there is no reason not to.

Taker is definite, and I'm pretty confident Cena and Team L will win too, but I can easily see the title matches being the other way around, and is it possible that Kane could pick up the win after losing to Cena? Another loss and he start to look a bit crappy for an unstoppable monster. The Rhodes/Show match is tricky and I can't decide. There's the diva match too. A heel win perhaps?

team jonny is probably as big a cert as taker i think

i think

sheamus > DB
Orton > kane
punk > jericho
jonny > teddy
taker > hhh
Rock > cena
heel tarts > face tarts

Think Kane will win but agree with the rest!! Johnny will 100% win

i am going against the norm i am on team teddy


i hate johnny so much i rarely watch now

There's definitely some logic that can be used and a lot of predictions can be based on what could happen after the event.

I have a feeling Daniel Bryan might win as if Sheamus wins, who is lined up next? He's already had recent(ish) programmes with Henry, Orton, Christian, etc, and I get the feeling that they want to repush Orton, and have him face Bryan moving forward. This would also suggest an Orton win, and Punk too, as I'd be surprised if both heels won the title matches.

With it being in Rock's hometown, it's tempting to go for a Rock win, but it seems like a pointless victory if he's doing films, etc, so Cena may go over. I expect this will be the last match on the card, so there's also the possibility of a Cena heel turn (where better than Miami against the Rock?) after a Rock win, which would be the best ending possible and not too dissimilar to Austin at WM17.

Finally, although John L stumbles across his lines, and could still be used in a manager role - and I'm sure they want Santino to get the pop - I just can't imagine Teddy running both shows; it just doesn't work for a face authority figure to be heading the entire brand.

So...

Maria Menounos & Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix & Eve Torres
Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy
Randy Orton vs. Kane
Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show
Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho
Triple H vs. The Undertaker
The Rock vs. John Cena

On second thoughts, neither world titles are changing hands...

hmm

Who are the crowd behind in Cena vs Rocky? Whenever I glance at WWE these days, at the top end the heels & faces are never clear, often they both are faces.

I'd imagine Rock, by quite a way, as it's in Miami.

+1 almost imo ;)

Rhodes > Big Show, I hope, but will prob be other way around.

I agree Team Johnny almost a cert as much as Taker.

Jericho > Punk, much better if Punk's chasing the title.  I think only one of the titles changes hands, and if Sheamus loses then it well and truly buries the Rumble. 

I like this except Jericho > Punk so that Punk can regain in 2 months when Jericho is off with Fozzy again.

Word on the street is that they're going to announce one of next year's Main Event's the night after WM on Raw.
I don't think I could handle another 12-month Rock/Cena build-up, so maybe we'll be seeing HBK screw HHH and then facing in a one-off match at WM29?
Obviously some sort of Austin or Brock return would be cool too.
Not sure how I feel about 12-months builds - felt like they ran out of ideas for Rock/Cena and it was just the same old schtick every week.

i cant believe we had 12 months of rock cena build up and not one single match with the rock involved
he has to be ring rusty, i dont even think he does he own stunts in his films cant see this fight being that great
never cena or rock are the best techincal wrestlers and not going to be much high flying
think i would prefer to seen a sanatona morrella v zack ryder match

To be fair, he did have one match, in a tag team with Cena at Survivor Series, and he was in fine fettle. Match and PPV both bombed though.


Awesome.

ok i cant spell english never mind italian

Brock had just done an interview stating he would be interested in doing a one off match @ Wrestlemania 29 against either the Undertaker or Steve Austin.

Final predictions:

Maria Menounos & Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix & Eve Torres
Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy
Randy Orton vs. Kane
Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show
Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho
Triple H vs. The Undertaker
The Rock vs. John Cena

Something controversial has to happen in that last match, right?

My same predictions, but I hope Rhodes win.


Dear god I hope not, let the match be clean.  I hate shitty finishes, fine having a run in, or a D Q on Raw, but not the Main event of Wrestlemania.  Clean, definitive finishes ftw. 

I will happily accept Brock returns and have a staredown with Undertaker after the match.

It's a tricky one.

I can't see the face of the company losing clean in such an important match.

At the same time, Rock losing in his hometown?

I'm sure there will be controversy of some kind, likely leading to a return match (despite it being 'once in a lifetime').

The best scenario: Cena loses and then turns heel for some major heat and a memorable final image.

Not getting my hopes up though. They've already underachieved on the build-up imo.

On a side, I can't see Rhodes winning now after the lead-in. Big Show's been shat on for weeks so is likely to get his WM moment, and I'm pretty sure they want to push Cody in 2012 as a potential Main Eventer.

The logic of Cena Rock is all around a Cena heel turn, even if it wasn't Miami the old school star will get all the pops as it's WM, then it being in Miami it's going to be a hostile crowd for Cena, surely it'd never be easier to turn him heel but somehow I just can't see it - he sells far too much merch.

Usual story against Cena not being turned, ihowever he will still sell merch as did Austin & Hogan

The NWO sold merch heel not so sure about Hogan.

Audtin was a different era and a different demographic audience.

It's not just merch, it's all the charity, troops, bullying, media stuff he's involved in, which I think Cena enjoys too much to give up.
WWE are very image conscious these days too.

LETS GO CENA!

forgot about it while i was playing a few shock results i think

On dear, 1st 18 secs pissed me off, next 70 mins didnt help either.

2 matches saved this from being a disaster.  

Cena, Rock was about what I expected, some great near falls, so I didnt know which way it would go in the end.   Has to be a rematch though surely, Summerslam? Next Wrestlemania?

Maybe I just expected to much.

Hope not.

did the rock win?

Brock lesnar returned on raw last night and F5 John cena

All in all the whole event was nothing special, the taker v HHH match was incredible and very tough to follow, it pretty much saved the show.

Cena v Rock I was pretty disappointed in , the match just felt flat, I couldn't feel the hatred between the two that was meant to be there, should have been a no DQ or something, Cena never really has good matches anyway.Thank fck the Rock won though, that would have killed me If he lost.

This whole Eve thing was ridic too, why the fook is she getting a Wrestlemania moment? It was way too obvious what was gonna happen once she was out at ringside.

Good to see Lesnar coming back last night, did anyone see that Lord Tensai b.s last night? They were showing clips lately of this new superstar that was coming to the WWE , I though it was going to be some powerhouse Asian, something different at least, but to my bemusement he wasn't even asian and he was in it before, check it out if you havent seen it, I'll say nothing.Disappointed though.

Raw was unbelievable last night!!

He was a character called Giant Bernard over in Japan and is very well known over there. I'm assuming they are having him play this role to get more fans over there as it's a target audience that they have a lot of competition in.


Raw was good, but storyline wise and wrestling wise it was pretty standard bar Lesnar's return. The difference was the crowd. It felt like an Attitude Era crowd and came over very well.

He's still the same waster that he was before sharplea, even doing the same moves! Fair enough he might appeal to fans over there but meh I wanted something better, I cant take him seriously.

he used to be called Albert and also A Train.

used to tag with Test

Full name was Prince Albert & the tag team were T&A.