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Title: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 11, 2010, 11:39:57 AM
It's time for the talking to stop and the goals to start flowing

cmon boys bring that trophy home..................

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb242/MatthewConnellan/england-flag.jpg)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 11, 2010, 01:05:28 PM
You've got to hold and give
But do it at the right time
You can be slow or fast
But you must get to the line
They'll always hit you and hurt you
Defend and attack
Theres only one way to beat them
Get round the back
Catch me if you can
Cos' I'm the England man
And what you're looking at
Is the master plan
We ain't no hooligans
This ain't a football song
Three lions on my chest
I know we can't go wrong


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 11, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
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Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 11, 2010, 01:23:35 PM
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YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCEXdv0sdBw


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 11, 2010, 01:39:32 PM
.YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr__-KqnfQM


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 11, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
.YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtp93H3BD_4



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 11, 2010, 02:18:15 PM
ahh the goosebumps

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wyLvagyApY


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Dewi_cool on June 11, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbbsytHDp2o


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 11, 2010, 02:32:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbbsytHDp2o

ceiliog   ;)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 11, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
LOL at Gareth Southgates comment

"historically the host nation has always done well and they have never failed to qualify"


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 11, 2010, 03:02:42 PM
at least the pitch isnt half in the sun,

want SA to win this game


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 12, 2010, 05:47:32 PM
I think this is a hard game for england, i reckon capello would snap off a scrappy 1-0 win.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Linux on June 12, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Green, Johnson, King, Terry, A Cole, Lennon, Lampard, Gerrard, Milner, Heskey, Rooney


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Acidmouse on June 12, 2010, 06:38:32 PM
Green, Johnson, King, Terry, A Cole, Lennon, Lampard, Gerrard, Milner, Heskey, Rooney

ohh might have to cheer on England now two Leeds lads in team.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 12, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
Green, Johnson, King, Terry, A Cole, Lennon, Lampard, Gerrard, Milner, Heskey, Rooney

i like this.............. but would have gone with james in goal


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 12, 2010, 06:57:06 PM
i would of gone


hart, johnson,upson,terry,a cole, swp, lamps, gerrard, j cole, crouch, rooney


but then again thats why i dont get paid millions a year and get to pick the enlgish team


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 12, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
.YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr__-KqnfQM

incred


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: AndrewT on June 12, 2010, 08:24:12 PM
Green, Johnson, King, Terry, A Cole, Lennon, Lampard, Gerrard, Milner, Heskey, Rooney

i like this.............. but would have gone with james in goal

Shrewd.

Hope you enjoyed your World Cup Robert.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 12, 2010, 08:45:51 PM
Did Milner get subbed because he got booked?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: vegaslover on June 12, 2010, 09:08:14 PM
Don't know why people rate lennon
His final ball, especially at international level, has always been shite


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 12, 2010, 09:22:48 PM
swp is worst left winger in the world, jesus fucking christ. stewart downing/ adam johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> swp.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 12, 2010, 10:15:13 PM
Heskey was good. Sadly will never be a clinical finisher, as we saw, but the all round game v good I thought

Most disappointed with Lampard, thought he had a mare. SWP, Lennon's final ball and of course Green ran him close


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 12, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
Swp Lennon and green should be sent home after that


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: George2Loose on June 12, 2010, 10:26:30 PM
SWP has never been international class

Lamps poor. Rooney was anonomyous first half. Did well in the second. Heskey, Gerrard and johnson did well.

Cole, terry et al average

Thought Crouch did well too when he came on


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: AndrewT on June 12, 2010, 10:47:28 PM
SWP and Lennon have never, quite clearly, ever been international class - their final product is too weak.

Tonight also showed that playing Gerrard on the left wing is a false economy - once Barry is fit ditch Lampard and have him and Gerrard in the middle. Who cares if we don't have a good left winger - just stick someone shit there and then don't pass to them.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: George2Loose on June 12, 2010, 11:00:00 PM
SWP and Lennon have never, quite clearly, ever been international class - their final product is too weak.

Tonight also showed that playing Gerrard on the left wing is a false economy - once Barry is fit ditch Lampard and have him and Gerrard in the middle. Who cares if we don't have a good left winger - just stick someone shit there and then don't pass to them.

lol


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 12, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
SWP and Lennon have never, quite clearly, ever been international class - their final product is too weak.

Tonight also showed that playing Gerrard on the left wing is a false economy - once Barry is fit ditch Lampard and have him and Gerrard in the middle. Who cares if we don't have a good left winger - just stick someone shit there and then don't pass to them.

lol

beat me to it!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 12, 2010, 11:05:05 PM
We just watched the replay of the USA goal quite closely (~60 times)

There was some debate but eventually a consensus that he probably should have saved it.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 12, 2010, 11:08:42 PM
Johnson was best player on the park tonight by far! Followed by Stevie G.

Squads already down to 22 players as King has totally proved my hatred for him! Well really were down to 21 as Heskey is absolutely dog shit! Fk me man that finish was pathetic and think id of done a better job in rustling the onion bag!

Team for next game should be....

Hart, G.Johnson, Carragher, Terry, A.Cole, Lennon, Gerrard, Lampard, J.Cole, Crouch and Rooney!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 12, 2010, 11:10:54 PM
Agreed Johnson was defo our best player tonight,nobody else had a good game.How come Joe Cole went from being likely to start to not even being backup ??


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 12, 2010, 11:15:46 PM
Lol at girgy. Heskey had a fine game but sigh at the one miss. King injury could happen to anyone, itsnot the knee problem he carries


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 12, 2010, 11:18:04 PM
Lol at girgy. Heskey had a fine game but sigh at the one miss. King injury could happen to anyone, itsnot the knee problem he carries

Are your eyes painted on?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 12, 2010, 11:18:13 PM
Johnson was best player on the park tonight by far! Followed by Stevie G.

Squads already down to 22 players as King has totally proved my hatred for him! Well really were down to 21 as Heskey is absolutely dog shit! Fk me man that finish was pathetic and think id of done a better job in rustling the onion bag!

Team for next game should be....

Hart, G.Johnson, Carragher, Terry, A.Cole, Lennon, Gerrard, Lampard, J.Cole, Crouch and Rooney!


thats 10 of the 11 i said before this game


ironside for england manager


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 12, 2010, 11:21:39 PM
i thought Heskey played well.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 12, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
Girgy please forget your biases and be an objective judge. You've simply no credibility when you post such one eyed stuff


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 12, 2010, 11:28:23 PM
i aint seen the game too busy watching the scotish victory over teh mighty argies

i like heskey and i hate crouch

but would still prefer crouch in my team to heskey


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 12, 2010, 11:29:30 PM
Girgy please forget your biases and be an objective judge. You've simply no credibility when you post such one eyed stuff

He did 1 good thing and that was lay it on a plate for the goal. Ok he did OK but he never broke any pots out there and cant see him ever scoring in a month of sundays! The man has no confidence, spends most of the game on the deck and just gets in the way! Crouch>>>>Heskey imo!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 12, 2010, 11:32:46 PM
He isn't really picked for his goal scoring ability Girgy. You have to look beyond that mate. He didnt score today but he did everything else well.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Maxriddles on June 12, 2010, 11:34:27 PM
SWP has never been international class

Lamps poor. Rooney was anonomyous first half. Did well in the second. Heskey, Gerrard and johnson did well.

Cole, terry et al average

Thought Crouch did well too when he came on

Pretty good summary IMO although I would have Johnson in the average category.

Although Scottish I do actually wish England well at the World Cup and I am sure they will do better than tonight's showing. They were the best team on the night but I think they were a bit too negative at times after getting the early lead and too many big players didn't do enough. Shocking mistake by Green and should have coped better with his "wonder" save in the second half but  at least he's still 10 times better than the Mexico goalie. Strangely enough me and my father in law were just talking about the cheek of the English slagging off Scottish goalies just as Dempsey passed back to Green.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: sledge13 on June 12, 2010, 11:39:52 PM
.YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr__-KqnfQM

incred

This about somes up the difference, gotta feel for the young uns who have had to put with the 00's rubbish! but yet they get paid 1000X more?!?!!?!?




Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Camel on June 12, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
I thought Lennon was England's most dangerous player. He looked like skinning their left back every time he got the ball.

I absolutely think he's international class.

SWP, however, isn't.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 12, 2010, 11:44:38 PM
He isn't really picked for his goal scoring ability Girgy. You have to look beyond that mate. He didnt score today but he did everything else well.

I really cant see the past the point in picking a 'striker' that is not picked for his goal scoring. IMO Crouch could do the same job as Heskey but he's a far superior goal scorer. If we not picking him for his goals but his odd flick on or holding the ball up then why not play a Gerrard type behind rooney to do the same job but is so much better techically.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 12, 2010, 11:51:55 PM
He isn't really picked for his goal scoring ability Girgy. You have to look beyond that mate. He didnt score today but he did everything else well.

I really cant see the past the point in picking a 'striker' that is not picked for his goal scoring. IMO Crouch could do the same job as Heskey but he's a far superior goal scorer. If we not picking him for his goals but his odd flick on or holding the ball up then why not play a Gerrard type behind rooney to do the same job but is so much better techically.

because maybe heskey combines better with Rooney than anyone else?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 12, 2010, 11:53:06 PM
He isn't really picked for his goal scoring ability Girgy. You have to look beyond that mate. He didnt score today but he did everything else well.

I really cant see the past the point in picking a 'striker' that is not picked for his goal scoring. IMO Crouch could do the same job as Heskey but he's a far superior goal scorer. If we not picking him for his goals but his odd flick on or holding the ball up then why not play a Gerrard type behind rooney to do the same job but is so much better techically.

because maybe heskey combines better with Rooney than anyone else?

Yea they looked brilliant tonight!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 12, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
i dunno girgy, im not the england manager, i'm just a bloke giving an opinion, an opinion that only you seems to disagree with. Have you considered going for a coaching badge? :-)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 13, 2010, 12:13:04 AM
He isn't really picked for his goal scoring ability Girgy. You have to look beyond that mate. He didnt score today but he did everything else well.

I really cant see the past the point in picking a 'striker' that is not picked for his goal scoring. IMO Crouch could do the same job as Heskey but he's a far superior goal scorer. If we not picking him for his goals but his odd flick on or holding the ball up then why not play a Gerrard type behind rooney to do the same job but is so much better techically.

Giv'arch, France 98. 0 goals but an awesome team player, by bringing the best players, ie the midfield into play. WD the commentator who remembered this tonight.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 13, 2010, 12:13:32 AM
Did enough to win the game. Green just made a howler. Rather it happens now than in the knock out stages.
Thought Heskey did well. Find it laughable that people think Crouch or Gerrard could have done what he did tonight. He is completely different. Not arguing he is better but putting either of them in can't be a straight swap. Crouch and Rooney wouldn't work imo. Crouch doesn't create enough space.
SWP wasn't very effective but i think it would have worked if it wasn't for the howler.
We have to bounce back now and make sure we get through the group. It's stupid to look any further than that.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: lazaroonie on June 13, 2010, 12:15:15 AM
Did enough to win the game.

i agree. unlucky to hit the post, or they would have...


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 13, 2010, 12:15:43 AM
I thought Lennon was England's most dangerous player. He looked like skinning their left back every time he got the ball.

I absolutely think he's international class.

SWP, however, isn't.

agree but his final ball is awful still.

Johnson ftw or Theo for more of a goal threat. Ah, we're past that stage already!

At the time SWP was the right play. They had good possession and pace on the break looked correct to me.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 13, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
na we needed to keep the ball and take control of the game, just like argentina did, keep the ball and they cant score. wright phillips just constantly gave them the ball.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 13, 2010, 01:49:48 AM
u think the fact swp is a ring winger and the fact he was played on the left might have caused a few problems?

as i said hvent seen the game just going on what i have heard

ps scotland won the rugby


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: vegaslover on June 13, 2010, 02:02:57 AM
There's no way I would be throwing Hart in, he's untested at this level, would rather see James play.
Lennon is very quick but always runs down blind alleys with his head down, why his final ball, on the occasions he doesn't lose it, is usually shite


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 13, 2010, 04:46:50 AM
There's no way I would be throwing Hart in, he's untested at this level, would rather see James play.
Lennon is very quick but always runs down blind alleys with his head down, why his final ball, on the occasions he doesn't lose it, is usually shite

clamity james? the guys who has made 10 times the errors green has in goals for england



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 13, 2010, 04:55:28 AM
There's no way I would be throwing Hart in, he's untested at this level, would rather see James play.
Lennon is very quick but always runs down blind alleys with his head down, why his final ball, on the occasions he doesn't lose it, is usually shite

clamity james? the guys who has made 10 times the errors green has in goals for england



name 10 clammers james has made for england for 20$ on stars sir.

lennon is international class, we need proper wingers, we looked most dangerous down the right today, yes johnson got lots of crosses in but why do you think he had so much space? because of the movement and pace of lennon troubling their full back. also if heskey scored (which he should have) lennon would of been praised by everyone and given a 8/10 in tomorrows papers for his superb slide through ball. and if gerrard/lampard had played that ball they'd still be going on about how they have the class to cut any team apart and it's essential they play etc etc etc


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 13, 2010, 06:35:17 AM
Apparently Rob Green is 5/1 to start the next game...this is massive surely???

Personally, Ive never rated Green, I dunno what it is, but he just does not come across as confident and commanding between the sticks, simple as that.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 13, 2010, 09:53:30 AM
Can't see green starting. Capello doesn't put up with shit like that.

Experience is always key in big tournaments. James for the remainder IMO


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Maxriddles on June 13, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
Apparently Rob Green is 5/1 to start the next game...this is massive surely???

Personally, Ive never rated Green, I dunno what it is, but he just does not come across as confident and commanding between the sticks, simple as that.

Green certainly looked a million miles from confident in the tunnel before the game, he wasn't the only one who showing signs of nerves in the tunnel but he stood out from the rest for me.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 13, 2010, 11:42:28 AM
Yeah, I noticed that, alot of huffing and puffing....deep breaths etc.....look at the difference in a tunnel before Premier League matches....normally a bit of laughing and joking etc.

What also concerns me was how dodgy we looked at the back and how hard it was to get the ball back.  Quality teams will enjoy even more posession against us and that has to be a real concern, even more so than any potential keeper cock up.

It's just a little bit same old same old for me, big build up ending in disappointment, and as for ITV HD....these barstools got the full wrath in a pointless email sent by me this morning for their ineptness in missing the first goal....morons.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 13, 2010, 11:47:43 AM
I'd love to get 5/1 on him starting.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 13, 2010, 11:50:38 AM
Is it just me worried about us not making it out the group ? I'd be so gutted if we didn't but we really didn't play well at all last night.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 13, 2010, 12:05:13 PM
i thought we were mostly good, attacking potential is clear. Rooney played very poorly, he should drift to the wings if he's getting marked out of it to free up the middle for lampard and gerrard.

inability to pass through the middle of the pitch a bit worrying but hopefully gareth barry will be back soon and that should shore up that issue and stop the centre backs getting exposed like last night. Aaron lennon did cause a lot of those problems by losing the ball in his own half and i'm sure he'll be told about it in no uncertain terms.

SWP for milner was a great substitution, totally took that dangerous USA left back out of their attacking options.

Heskey was immense, just wish he could score goals.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 13, 2010, 12:24:54 PM
i thought we were mostly good, attacking potential is clear. Rooney played very poorly, he should drift to the wings if he's getting marked out of it to free up the middle for lampard and gerrard.

inability to pass through the middle of the pitch a bit worrying but hopefully gareth barry will be back soon and that should shore up that issue and stop the centre backs getting exposed like last night. Aaron lennon did cause a lot of those problems by losing the ball in his own half and i'm sure he'll be told about it in no uncertain terms.

SWP for milner was a great substitution, totally took that dangerous USA left back out of their attacking options.

Heskey was immense, just wish he could score goals.

Post of the thread


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 13, 2010, 12:35:40 PM
Lol heskey was far from imense!

Not the worst game I've seen him play but he was no where near 'imense,'!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: action man on June 13, 2010, 12:43:03 PM
Johnson was best player on the park tonight by far! Followed by Stevie G.

Squads already down to 22 players as King has totally proved my hatred for him! Well really were down to 21 as Heskey is absolutely dog shit! Fk me man that finish was pathetic and think id of done a better job in rustling the onion bag!

Team for next game should be....

Hart, G.Johnson, Carragher, Terry, A.Cole, Lennon, Gerrard, Lampard, J.Cole, Crouch and Rooney!

your so fkin clueless, heskey has done so much for england and is still a vital part of our team, he's always a scapegoat for clueless clowns who know nothing about football. HESKEY IS NOT AS GOOD AS CROUCH/DEFOE BUT HE FITS IN THE TEAM BETTER, AND SUITS ROONEY, Jesus christ some people


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 13, 2010, 12:45:07 PM
Lol heskey was far from imense!

Not the worst game I've seen him play but he was no where near 'imense,'!

must have been watching a different game to me.

apart from score a goal what else would you have liked to see him do?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 13, 2010, 12:47:22 PM
Johnson was best player on the park tonight by far! Followed by Stevie G.

Squads already down to 22 players as King has totally proved my hatred for him! Well really were down to 21 as Heskey is absolutely dog shit! Fk me man that finish was pathetic and think id of done a better job in rustling the onion bag!

Team for next game should be....

Hart, G.Johnson, Carragher, Terry, A.Cole, Lennon, Gerrard, Lampard, J.Cole, Crouch and Rooney!

your so fkin clueless, heskey has done so much for england and is still a vital part of our team, he's always a scapegoat for clueless clowns who know nothing about football. HESKEY IS NOT AS GOOD AS CROUCH/DEFOE BUT HE FITS IN THE TEAM BETTER, AND SUITS ROONEY, Jesus christ some people

 ;fishing; Nibble nibble ;laxie;


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Amatay on June 13, 2010, 12:56:02 PM
Johnson was best player on the park tonight by far! Followed by Stevie G.

Squads already down to 22 players as King has totally proved my hatred for him! Well really were down to 21 as Heskey is absolutely dog shit! Fk me man that finish was pathetic and think id of done a better job in rustling the onion bag!

Team for next game should be....

Hart, G.Johnson, Carragher, Terry, A.Cole, Lennon, Gerrard, Lampard, J.Cole, Crouch and Rooney!

your so fkin clueless, heskey has done so much for england and is still a vital part of our team, he's always a scapegoat for clueless clowns who know nothing about football. HESKEY IS NOT AS GOOD AS CROUCH/DEFOE BUT HE FITS IN THE TEAM BETTER, AND SUITS ROONEY, Jesus christ some people

Exactly!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: sweet potata! on June 13, 2010, 01:00:12 PM
Is it just me worried about us not making it out the group ? I'd be so gutted if we didn't but we really didn't play well at all last night.

Its ok Mond the other two teams in the group are pure dirt.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 13, 2010, 02:04:06 PM
Is it just me worried about us not making it out the group ? I'd be so gutted if we didn't but we really didn't play well at all last night.

Its ok Mond the other two teams in the group are pure dirt.

after that 1st half I'd think about turning Scottish if we don't qualify!!

seriously though given the issues that seem to be surrounding James 'injuries' I'd be surprised if Green didn't keep the jersey for our next game against the Algerians,sure Hart is good but what would happen if he did make a costly mistake? qualifying would then be tricky and who would go in after that?  I'd prefer for Cappello to back Green and show confidence in him,baffles me why he has kept the no1 slot closely guarded perhaps he was hoping James would be OK if not just get on with providing confidence

Though heskey played well I would still  prefer crouch/Defoe alongside Rooney
Carragher or upson to partner Terry?

Green 5/10
Johnson 8/10
Cole 6.5/10
king 5/10
Terry 6.5/10
Lennon 5.5/10
milner 2/10(swp 6/10)
Lampard 6/10
Gerrard 8.5/10 man of match for me
rooney 7
heskey  7

crouch 6/10
Carragher 6.5/10

FFS!! ITV HD with yr frigging ad break just before we scored ,although just at that point some dizzy blonde at the footy BBQ was trying to plug in some speakers into the Screen so she got tons of abuse as you could imagine :)

FFS ALG V SVN what dire shite this is!!!!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 13, 2010, 02:29:55 PM
If we can't beat Slovenia and Algeria comfortably we don't deserve to be in the knockout stages.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 13, 2010, 03:52:06 PM
lol at swp 6/10 better than average that must be a joke, he was absolute dirt!

carragher was so slow too, we cant rely on him at centre half. if king is injured we're fucked because upson is no where near good enough.

rooney has got off so lightly here, he really didn't do much at all.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 13, 2010, 04:14:34 PM
We have Dawson. I'd start him next game with Terry.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 13, 2010, 04:31:49 PM
If we can't beat Slovenia and Algeria comfortably we don't deserve to be in the knockout stages.


Yeah,my thoughts too.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 13, 2010, 05:15:03 PM
We have Dawson. I'd start him next game with Terry.

Not sure if a level, but I would too. Fuck Carragher, no way should he be in squad. Rather have Jagielka. Rio loss is so so so huge. Crouch centre half ftw :P


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Maxriddles on June 13, 2010, 06:10:05 PM
If we can't beat Slovenia and Algeria comfortably we don't deserve to be in the knockout stages.


Yeah,my thoughts too.

I'd be pretty confident that England will beat both of these teams (in fact I think Scotland would beat them both) but there's a good chance the USA will beat them both too so deciding the group winner could well end up going to goal difference. What England need is two positive attacking performances, they are the best team in the group by a mile and should have no fear of these teams, go out play as they can and they will win both games. They could have had the USA dead and buried by half time if they had kept the pressure on after scoring the first goal but I felt they made the mistake of taking their foot off the gas after getting 1-0 up early. 



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightPaulFolds on June 13, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/6fpmh5.jpg)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 14, 2010, 08:18:59 AM
i thought we were mostly good, attacking potential is clear.

Really? I thought England dominated a game against an incredibly poor USA but didn't create an awful lot.
They obviously have decent players going forward but if Rooney can't do anything against the USA he will really struggle against a decent side. He spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal FFS.
I know noone is quacking in their boots after having watched England play and, if they play like this, a decent team will slaughter them.


Loved all the commentators talking bollocks about "not losing the first game"...if you're happy not to lose the first game against a weak side like the USA were on Saturday you should go play hockey.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 14, 2010, 09:48:28 AM
I'm not really fussed if other countries aren't worried about us. I don't expect us to win it but i think we can improve and i'd rather we built as the tournament progresses and with a bit of luck peak at the final.
When Italy drew 1-1 with the USA or France drew with Switzerland and South Korea and only qualified through their group in 2nd 4 years ago i don't think the rest of the world had them nailed on as finalists.
Just get through the group and then see what happens.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 14, 2010, 10:24:30 AM
i thought we were mostly good, attacking potential is clear.

Really? I thought England dominated a game against an incredibly poor USA but didn't create an awful lot.
They obviously have decent players going forward but if Rooney can't do anything against the USA he will really struggle against a decent side. He spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal FFS.
I know noone is quacking in their boots after having watched England play and, if they play like this, a decent team will slaughter them.


Loved all the commentators talking bollocks about "not losing the first game"...if you're happy not to lose the first game against a weak side like the USA were on Saturday you should go play hockey.

Pretty much all our attacking players had a decent chance on goal apart from rooney and lampard strangely, all created from good moves or good individual skill. They are all good enough to score (apart from heskey). One good spanking against slovenia or algeria to get confidence up and i think we will be scoring for fun. Get gazza bazza in to make it all flow well in the middle and we will be extremely dangerous to any side.

My only worry is not getting barry back and having to play carrick who is good but low on conifdence and out of form, wish scholes was there. Then i think we really would struggle against an argentina or spain.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 14, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
FWIW Holland looked worse. RVP didn't have a single decent touch :(


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 14, 2010, 03:24:36 PM
FWIW Holland looked worse. RVP didn't have a single decent touch :(

yeah he was tez, and somehow got man of the match! wtf


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 10:55:37 AM
Green out, James in after a few howlers in yesterdays training


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 10:58:30 AM
Green out, James in after a few howlers in yesterdays training

As long ans Heskey doesnt play then who cares ???


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 18, 2010, 11:24:28 AM
Green out, James in after a few howlers in yesterdays training

As long ans Heskey doesn't play as Rooney finally starts scoring then who cares ???

FYP


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 18, 2010, 12:31:10 PM
Green trained yesterday saving 300 shots and not letting ANY in.
































Today, him and Heskey will train with the rest of the team.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 18, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Green out, James in after a few howlers in yesterdays training

As long ans Heskey doesnt play then who cares ???

I hope Heskey plays and I think he will. If anything Capello has proved during his management he won't make populist decisions. As the general public at large haven't got a fking clue, Heskey being a great example of this.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: action man on June 18, 2010, 12:51:25 PM
Girgy avert your eyes from the porn on your laptop, watch how many flick ons and moves heskey creates with his hold up play tonight.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Micko on June 18, 2010, 12:59:57 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/6fpmh5.jpg)

This is quality!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 01:41:33 PM
Girgy avert your eyes from the porn on your laptop, watch how many flick ons and moves heskey creates with his hold up play tonight.

[ ] heskey will start tonight.
[ ] flicking the ball on to the opposition is good play
  • I'm working tonight so will miss the game and my porn


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2010, 02:43:12 PM
Heskey suits Rooney? Man U form shows playing as the main striker suits him as well. Drop Gerrard in behind and we have a truly world class attack. Gerrard is technically better than Heskey and is much more prolific in front of goal. Heskey offers zero goal threat and that's just not good enough at world level for a striker. Gerrard might not have the aerial skills, but do we really need to be lumping it up to a big man in these group games? We prob wont persist with 4-4-2 against the better sides anyway, and I don't want to see Gerrard wide left to accomodate Heskey to suit Rooney. Joe Cole left imo. Heskey did a good job vs USA but I want mofo goals from England's main striker. Martin O'Neill knows about football, and he wasn't playing Heskey at club level.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 18, 2010, 03:46:51 PM
Heskey suits Rooney? Man U form shows playing as the main striker suits him as well. Drop Gerrard in behind and we have a truly world class attack. Gerrard is technically better than Heskey and is much more prolific in front of goal. Heskey offers zero goal threat and that's just not good enough at world level for a striker. Gerrard might not have the aerial skills, but do we really need to be lumping it up to a big man in these group games? We prob wont persist with 4-4-2 against the better sides anyway, and I don't want to see Gerrard wide left to accomodate Heskey to suit Rooney. Joe Cole left imo. Heskey did a good job vs USA but I want mofo goals from England's main striker. Martin O'Neill knows about football, and he wasn't playing Heskey at club level.

Sky sports showed this week that Rooney is most prolific when next to Heskey. Second most when next to Crouch and third when next to Defoe.

Tactics in the first game were obviously all wrong as Rooney spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal.


Lol @ the O'Neill statement though...he bought Heskey to play him FFS..not to keep him on the bench.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 05:49:30 PM
Heskey suits Rooney? Man U form shows playing as the main striker suits him as well. Drop Gerrard in behind and we have a truly world class attack. Gerrard is technically better than Heskey and is much more prolific in front of goal. Heskey offers zero goal threat and that's just not good enough at world level for a striker. Gerrard might not have the aerial skills, but do we really need to be lumping it up to a big man in these group games? We prob wont persist with 4-4-2 against the better sides anyway, and I don't want to see Gerrard wide left to accomodate Heskey to suit Rooney. Joe Cole left imo. Heskey did a good job vs USA but I want mofo goals from England's main striker. Martin O'Neill knows about football, and he wasn't playing Heskey at club level.

Sky sports showed this week that Rooney is most prolific when next to Heskey. Second most when next to Crouch and third when next to Defoe.

Tactics in the first game were obviously all wrong as Rooney spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal.


Lol @ the O'Neill statement though...he bought Heskey to play him FFS..not to keep him on the bench.

lol at all the Rooney prefers to play with/ is more prolific when he plays with heskey comments!!

I'm sorry but I like strikers/forwards to hit the onion bag more than twice in a season!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2010, 05:54:14 PM
Heskey suits Rooney? Man U form shows playing as the main striker suits him as well. Drop Gerrard in behind and we have a truly world class attack. Gerrard is technically better than Heskey and is much more prolific in front of goal. Heskey offers zero goal threat and that's just not good enough at world level for a striker. Gerrard might not have the aerial skills, but do we really need to be lumping it up to a big man in these group games? We prob wont persist with 4-4-2 against the better sides anyway, and I don't want to see Gerrard wide left to accomodate Heskey to suit Rooney. Joe Cole left imo. Heskey did a good job vs USA but I want mofo goals from England's main striker. Martin O'Neill knows about football, and he wasn't playing Heskey at club level.

Sky sports showed this week that Rooney is most prolific when next to Heskey. Second most when next to Crouch and third when next to Defoe.

Tactics in the first game were obviously all wrong as Rooney spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal.


Lol @ the O'Neill statement though...he bought Heskey to play him FFS..not to keep him on the bench.

Sure O'Neill bought Heskey to play him, and he played him 56 times. Heskey scored 7 goals. So O'Neill didn't pick him anymore. I wouldn't play crouch or defoe either cos Rooney is most prolific on his own.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 05:59:35 PM
  
TEAM NEWS ENGLAND:JAMES/ JOHNSON TERRY CARRAGHER A COLE / BARRY / LENNON LAMPARD GERRARD / HESKEY ROONEY

Confirmed

Edit; gg girgy


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 06:01:24 PM
it is a good chance this will go to goal difference in this group. why have a anchor player against algeria? go and attack them! gerrard/lamps in midfield, 2 fast wingers, defoe/rooney.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: sweet potata! on June 18, 2010, 06:07:02 PM
I havent really heard much about it since,  so can anyone explain what the story was with Milner been took off so early in the last game? Did he pick up a knock? was it tactical? or was it because he picked up a yellow?

I hope it was the first option.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 06:09:11 PM
I havent really heard much about it since,  so can anyone explain what the story was with Milner been took off so early in the last game? Did he pick up a knock? was it tactical? or was it because he picked up a yellow?

I hope it was the first option.


Think he had a stomach bug earlier in the week


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 18, 2010, 06:09:20 PM
Heskey suits Rooney? Man U form shows playing as the main striker suits him as well. Drop Gerrard in behind and we have a truly world class attack. Gerrard is technically better than Heskey and is much more prolific in front of goal. Heskey offers zero goal threat and that's just not good enough at world level for a striker. Gerrard might not have the aerial skills, but do we really need to be lumping it up to a big man in these group games? We prob wont persist with 4-4-2 against the better sides anyway, and I don't want to see Gerrard wide left to accomodate Heskey to suit Rooney. Joe Cole left imo. Heskey did a good job vs USA but I want mofo goals from England's main striker. Martin O'Neill knows about football, and he wasn't playing Heskey at club level.

Sky sports showed this week that Rooney is most prolific when next to Heskey. Second most when next to Crouch and third when next to Defoe.

Tactics in the first game were obviously all wrong as Rooney spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal.


Lol @ the O'Neill statement though...he bought Heskey to play him FFS..not to keep him on the bench.

lol at all the Rooney prefers to play with/ is more prolific when he plays with heskey comments!!

I'm sorry but I like strikers/forwards to hit the onion bag more than twice in a season!!

Did you rate Sheringham or Beardsley both had mediocre scoring records but were key components of England sides. Whereas Shearer and Owen were awful up front together yet both were born goalscorers.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2010, 06:17:32 PM
Heskey suits Rooney? Man U form shows playing as the main striker suits him as well. Drop Gerrard in behind and we have a truly world class attack. Gerrard is technically better than Heskey and is much more prolific in front of goal. Heskey offers zero goal threat and that's just not good enough at world level for a striker. Gerrard might not have the aerial skills, but do we really need to be lumping it up to a big man in these group games? We prob wont persist with 4-4-2 against the better sides anyway, and I don't want to see Gerrard wide left to accomodate Heskey to suit Rooney. Joe Cole left imo. Heskey did a good job vs USA but I want mofo goals from England's main striker. Martin O'Neill knows about football, and he wasn't playing Heskey at club level.

Sky sports showed this week that Rooney is most prolific when next to Heskey. Second most when next to Crouch and third when next to Defoe.

Tactics in the first game were obviously all wrong as Rooney spent more time in midfield than he did in front of goal.


Lol @ the O'Neill statement though...he bought Heskey to play him FFS..not to keep him on the bench.

lol at all the Rooney prefers to play with/ is more prolific when he plays with heskey comments!!

I'm sorry but I like strikers/forwards to hit the onion bag more than twice in a season!!

Did you rate Sheringham or Beardsley both had mediocre scoring records but were key components of England sides. Whereas Shearer and Owen were awful up front together yet both were born goalscorers.

I think Sheringham and Beardsley were both much better footballers than Heskey. Didn't rate Alan Smith or Mark Hateley thou.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 08:23:30 PM
England 2nd best against algeria what the fuck is going on!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 18, 2010, 08:27:40 PM
England 2nd best against algeria what the fuck is going on!
not a lot FFS this is shite!!!!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Bas on June 18, 2010, 08:29:38 PM
Girgy avert your eyes from the porn on your laptop, watch how many flick ons and moves heskey creates with his hold up play tonight.

how's that working out?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: booder on June 18, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
Dire


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
WE ARE SHIT


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 18, 2010, 08:31:23 PM
Unbelieveable.

Defoe and Joe Cole for Lampard and Heksey.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Pelham Boy on June 18, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
That was shite. I can't believe they are more comfortable on the ball than us.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 08:33:24 PM
service to heskey is ridic bad though, cant really blame him. crouch couldnt of done anything better imo. rooney/lampard/gerrard/barry all underachieving.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 08:33:58 PM
although they are good on the ball they arent creating anyting or frightening us.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM
Gerrard in the middle pls


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 18, 2010, 08:58:13 PM
We are so bad going forward that local birds have had time to build a nest on the algeria goal.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: vegaslover on June 18, 2010, 09:13:14 PM
FFS get Gerrard off


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Sighmuns on June 18, 2010, 09:18:13 PM
FFS get Gerrard off


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 09:22:04 PM
This is a fucking joke of a performance

I think its the worst we have played under capello

Joke


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Karabiner on June 18, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
[ ] I quite like the idea of Rooney in CM...


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: neeko on June 18, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
Why is Beckham in a 3 piece suit? has he got a Savile Row tailor as a new sponsor

France, Germany and Spain have lost in the past few days so i guess we are better then them. lol



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 09:32:03 PM
rubbish, how the hell we thought we could win this tournament is beyond me.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 09:32:31 PM
gtfo rooney/lampard/gerrard/SWP


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
Hang your heads in shame you jokers


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 09:35:17 PM
WHAT A FUCKING JOKE


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 09:35:40 PM
lol, comedy

We are absolutely babtash.

Rooney is fkin shocking, and Lampard just does nothing for England, jogs around and doesnt care at all.

Any1 who puts Rooney is the same bracket than the likes of Messi/Ronaldo is an absolute clown. His 1st touch was just a disgrace and he didnt seem to give a shit at all. Pretty sure i could have done a better job up top tonight.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
Pretty sure girgy could have done a better job up top tonight.

fyp mate


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
Pretty sure girgy could have done a better job up top tonight.

fyp mate

yup, his finish at BB8 was incred.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 18, 2010, 09:51:02 PM
What a twat Rooney is.

He moans about the fans booing at the cameras?

I bet people have been saving up for years to go watch him play in that match. If i had i wouldve been booing at the end too. Actually i would probably have been throwing coins at him.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 18, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
Couldn't agree more.....Rooney is wrong, people saved thousands to see him play and they were shit.

Some of these footballers are so detached from real life it's unreal.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 18, 2010, 10:10:22 PM
Undefeated still lads, heads up high.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 10:15:04 PM
Pretty sure girgy could have done a better job up top tonight.

fyp mate

yup, his finish at BB8 was incred.

You know it ;)

Listened to the game on the radio and was glad only my ears had to endure the tosh that we played! To sum it up i heard atrocious, terrible, shocking, nervious all sum up how england were playing and that was all in the first half!! Every player was poor but can sumbody tell me WTF Heskey did in this game? I think i heard he spent most of the game on the deck!

Can Fab Cap please log on here and look at my selections for next game.....


                                                         JAMES

               JOHNSON              UPSON                   TERRY                 A   COLE

              
                MILNER              LAMPARD                  BARRY                  J  COLE

                                                        GERRARD

                                                         ROONEY



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 18, 2010, 10:23:33 PM
Upson Nooooo

Milner Nooooo

Dawson Yessssss

Cole Yessssss

Avoid the Heskey bashing....we need to start with the likes of Johnson, Rooney and Lampard.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 18, 2010, 11:06:57 PM
Glad I had to get a later ferry back from France today and managed to only have to listen to that on the radio.

David James' interview on the radio, sounds like the manager has completely lost the players.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 18, 2010, 11:31:57 PM
never thought I'd see the day where the only player to come out of an england match with any credit was david james

truly shocking


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 11:33:45 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 18, 2010, 11:35:53 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 11:39:39 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

you are aware this is bollocks?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: jizzemm on June 18, 2010, 11:40:28 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
                   James

johnson  terry  upson   cole

lennon gerrard barry cole

crouch defore.  

lots of width, barry sitting, gerrard bombing on, lots of crosses. gogogogo


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 11:43:13 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made

Yea i know! Still think some of em, would rather be out shopping with the missus rather than repping their country!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 18, 2010, 11:45:57 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made

Yea i know! Still think some of em, would rather be out shopping with the missus rather than repping their country!!

So you don't think Rooney etc have any interest in winning a World Cup medal no ???



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 11:47:12 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made

Yea i know! Still think some of em, would rather be out shopping with the missus rather than repping their country!!

So you don't think Rooney etc have any interest in winning a World Cup medal no ???



Did it look like he was intrested tonight? i mean from what i heard on the radio then NO!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 18, 2010, 11:49:12 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made

Yea i know! Still think some of em, would rather be out shopping with the missus rather than repping their country!!

So you don't think Rooney etc have any interest in winning a World Cup medal no ???



Did it look like he was intrested tonight? i mean from what i heard on the radio then NO!

How did he look disinterested,by the fact he's out of form,probably carrying an injury and the service to him is shit.Let's all blame Rooney since he was our only hope to start with.BTW he was out of order with his comments after the game but pretty sure he'll realise that himself and was just frustrated at how poor they all where.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 11:50:50 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made

Yea i know! Still think some of em, would rather be out shopping with the missus rather than repping their country!!

So you don't think Rooney etc have any interest in winning a World Cup medal no ???



Did it look like he was intrested tonight? i mean from what i heard on the radio then NO!

How did he look disinterested,by the fact he's out of form,probably carrying an injury and the service to him is shit.Let's all blame Rooney since he was our only hope to start with.BTW he was out of order with his comments after the game but pretty sure he'll realise that himself and was just frustrated at how poor they all where.

Ive been working mate so only heard the match commentry so not sure what was said in interviews!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 11:52:59 PM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 18, 2010, 11:54:06 PM
Do u know what the problem is with the players these days? MONEY! They are all overpayed lazy twats!

how does that work? you are aware that none of them get a penny for playing for england?

point made

Yea i know! Still think some of em, would rather be out shopping with the missus rather than repping their country!!

So you don't think Rooney etc have any interest in winning a World Cup medal no ???



Did it look like he was intrested tonight? i mean from what i heard on the radio then NO!

How did he look disinterested,by the fact he's out of form,probably carrying an injury and the service to him is shit.Let's all blame Rooney since he was our only hope to start with.BTW he was out of order with his comments after the game but pretty sure he'll realise that himself and was just frustrated at how poor they all where.

Ive been working mate so only heard the match commentry so not sure what was said in interviews!

He wasn't interviewed but a cameraman picked up him having a go at the fans for booing them off,don't remember his exact words it's on bbc website.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 18, 2010, 11:57:18 PM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 11:58:46 PM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 12:00:44 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

The thing is he just doesn't seem the type to be bothered by this,he plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world and had more pressure on him then ever this season  and thrived on it,personally I think he's burntout.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 12:02:10 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

The thing is he just doesn't seem the type to be bothered by this,he plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world and had more pressure on him then ever this season  and thrived on it,personally I think he's burntout.

True most of em do tbh! They probably all played 40-50 games this season! Apart from King and Heskey obv!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 12:06:01 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

I agree...but whats changed; you lot do this at every tournament.....Gazza, Beckham, Rooney- you make messiah's out of these players and the pressure of a whole country is put on these individual players shoulders!!! You also have a team of individual players who are so detached from reality(think the debacles with terry, cole) and its basically a team of egotistical, overpaid players. You were largely outplayed by algeria tonight; a TEAM that man for man are not a patch on your players but they fit so well together and fought for each other!!! basically you need Mourinho as manager...think of the Team spirit he created at both Chelsea and Inter(and will do at Real); once you get that your onto a winner


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 12:14:23 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

I agree...but whats changed; you lot do this at every tournament.....Gazza, Beckham, Rooney- you make messiah's out of these players and the pressure of a whole country is put on these individual players shoulders!!! You also have a team of individual players who are so detached from reality(think the debacles with terry, cole) and its basically a team of egotistical, overpaid players. You were largely outplayed by algeria tonight; a TEAM that man for man are not a patch on your players but they fit so well together and fought for each other!!! basically you need Mourinho as manager...think of the Team spirit he created at both Chelsea and Inter(and will do at Real); once you get that your onto a winner

Do country's like Spain,Brazil,Italy,Germany not have players exactly the same,or is it just the English players ?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 12:16:46 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

I agree...but whats changed; you lot do this at every tournament.....Gazza, Beckham, Rooney- you make messiah's out of these players and the pressure of a whole country is put on these individual players shoulders!!! You also have a team of individual players who are so detached from reality(think the debacles with terry, cole) and its basically a team of egotistical, overpaid players. You were largely outplayed by algeria tonight; a TEAM that man for man are not a patch on your players but they fit so well together and fought for each other!!! basically you need Mourinho as manager...think of the Team spirit he created at both Chelsea and Inter(and will do at Real); once you get that your onto a winner

But they dont get paid to play for England ;)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 12:19:18 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

I agree...but whats changed; you lot do this at every tournament.....Gazza, Beckham, Rooney- you make messiah's out of these players and the pressure of a whole country is put on these individual players shoulders!!! You also have a team of individual players who are so detached from reality(think the debacles with terry, cole) and its basically a team of egotistical, overpaid players. You were largely outplayed by algeria tonight; a TEAM that man for man are not a patch on your players but they fit so well together and fought for each other!!! basically you need Mourinho as manager...think of the Team spirit he created at both Chelsea and Inter(and will do at Real); once you get that your onto a winner

Do country's like Spain,Brazil,Italy,Germany not have players exactly the same,or is it just the English players ?

Spain = Villa, Torres, Iniesta, Xavi, Ramos, Casillas all pretty much loved/expected equally- cant be bothered going through the rest of the teams you mentioned but pretty much the same formula- no player singled out to be saviour; prob only exception to this is Messi at Argentina


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 12:21:57 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

I agree...but whats changed; you lot do this at every tournament.....Gazza, Beckham, Rooney- you make messiah's out of these players and the pressure of a whole country is put on these individual players shoulders!!! You also have a team of individual players who are so detached from reality(think the debacles with terry, cole) and its basically a team of egotistical, overpaid players. You were largely outplayed by algeria tonight; a TEAM that man for man are not a patch on your players but they fit so well together and fought for each other!!! basically you need Mourinho as manager...think of the Team spirit he created at both Chelsea and Inter(and will do at Real); once you get that your onto a winner

But they dont get paid to play for England ;)

I know that and long may that continue...point was these; basically 'rock stars' are so detached from reality they are all so invloved in their own bullshit they're not interested in being in a team; they need a good orchestrator to give them cohesion


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 12:23:30 AM
Monda you're usually spot on, but Rooney looked uninterested for the last 15 minutes today, just walking around. He hasn't been the same player since he was injured.

Maybe the fact he's been took to the tune of £5million has had an effect on him,maybe the responsibilty of a nation resting solely on his shoulders has,I have no idea but I'm a 100% sure that he isn't uninterested,why would he show passion and drive in the qualifiers to not give a shit when the main stage comes around.As I say I've no idea what's wrong with him but something clearly is mentally,physically or both.



The guy is only 24 years old and has the whole country on his shoulders! Not fair to be put in such a position imo!

I agree...but whats changed; you lot do this at every tournament.....Gazza, Beckham, Rooney- you make messiah's out of these players and the pressure of a whole country is put on these individual players shoulders!!! You also have a team of individual players who are so detached from reality(think the debacles with terry, cole) and its basically a team of egotistical, overpaid players. You were largely outplayed by algeria tonight; a TEAM that man for man are not a patch on your players but they fit so well together and fought for each other!!! basically you need Mourinho as manager...think of the Team spirit he created at both Chelsea and Inter(and will do at Real); once you get that your onto a winner

Do country's like Spain,Brazil,Italy,Germany not have players exactly the same,or is it just the English players ?

Spain = Villa, Torres, Iniesta, Xavi, Ramos, Casillas all pretty much loved/expected equally- cant be bothered going through the rest of the teams you mentioned but pretty much the same formula- no player singled out to be saviour; prob only exception to this is Messi at Argentina

I meant the egotistical overpaid bit


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
your probably right about all countries having overpaid egotistical players! but all the other teams players seem to play more for each other rather than themselves; do think i'm right about you putting all your hopes on one player tho


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 12:35:43 AM
your probably right about all countries having overpaid egotistical players! but all the other teams players seem to play more for each other rather than themselves; do think i'm right about you putting all your hopes on one player tho

You are right about that.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pokerfan on June 19, 2010, 12:39:38 AM
Work mate on FB;

Andrew Byrnes, Some of those bellends don't just look like they haven't played together before,they look like they've never played at all,skin of their teeth if they do progress,but I said weeks ago I didn't think they'd pass the first group stage and thats coz they've been forced to cobble a team together using players from mediocre mid-table clubs like Man City and Liverpool.
2 hours ago · Like

Andrew Byrnes, Rooney's a fish out of water without top class players around him,needs Neville,Brown,Scholes,Rio,Carrick,lads who know what the big stages expect...not tools like Johnson,Heskey,SWP,Carragher,all shocking tonight but they're used to playing at a lesser level,Channel 5,Thursday night,Pretend Europe.


Oh and France.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 12:51:47 AM
IMO Heskey should never wear an England jersey ever again!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 19, 2010, 12:52:55 AM
IMO Heskey should never wear an England jersey ever again!

arbban imo


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 19, 2010, 02:37:56 AM
what do people think about the future of England, next world cup team etc.

Hart, Glen Johnson, Rooney, Adam Johnson, Lennon?, Walcott?, Huddlestone?, bleak?

Terry, Rio, Lamps, Gerrard, Ashly Cole, Heskey, James, Barry, will all be past it and may even retire after this world cup.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 02:41:16 AM
There are two problems for England.

The first is that you are not as good as you think you are,which you realise everytime a mjor tournament rolls around but by the time the next one has come the delusion that you are contenders has resurfaced,while at the same time your opponents are better than you think they are,it's not 1980 anymore,there are teams that are decent and well organised and comfortable on the ball that are not named Germany,Spain,Holland etc.

The second problem is that Capello insists on playing a formation that neutralises your 3 best players.Rooney now prefers and has proven he is LETHAL when playing through the middle on his own.Lampard plays in a 3 man midfield for club and thrives and scores goals for fun.Gerrard when in the middle can grab any game by the scruff of the neck and drag a team to victory by steamrolling.

A 451/433 whatever you want to call it is what England should be playing,which incidetally would also allow for your 4th best player Joe Cole to fit nicely into the side at the same time.

I just can't understand why he insists on keeping with a formation that effetively kills every threat the side has.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 19, 2010, 02:58:04 AM
There are two problems for England.

The first is that you are not as good as you think you are,which you realise everytime a mjor tournament rolls around but by the time the next one has come the delusion that you are contenders has resurfaced,while at the same time your opponents are better than you think they are,it's not 1980 anymore,there are teams that are decent and well organised and comfortable on the ball that are not named Germany,Spain,Holland etc.

The second problem is that Capello insists on playing a formation that neutralises your 3 best players.Rooney now prefers and has proven he is LETHAL when playing through the middle on his own.Lampard plays in a 3 man midfield for club and thrives and scores goals for fun.Gerrard when in the middle can grab any game by the scruff of the neck and drag a team to victory by steamrolling.

A 451/433 whatever you want to call it is what England should be playing,which incidetally would also allow for your 4th best player Joe Cole to fit nicely into the side at the same time.

I just can't understand why he insists on keeping with a formation that effetively kills every threat the side has.

Nice post agree with everything until you said that Joe Cole was our 4th best player. You do realise this guy doesn't get a game for his club yeah?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 03:11:16 AM
Yeah it's my club :)

When I say 4th best player I mean threat-wise.

After Rooney,Gerrard and Lampard i'm struggling to think of anyone else who is more of a reliable threat than him.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Amatay on June 19, 2010, 03:23:09 AM
Not sure which is more shocking, Blatch's grim or Englands performance?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 03:31:25 AM
Not sure which is more shocking, Blatch's grim or Englands performance?

probs blatch's grim as nobody expected it!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Nem on June 19, 2010, 03:58:10 AM
Yeah it's my club :)

When I say 4th best player I mean threat-wise.

After Rooney,Gerrard and Lampard i'm struggling to think of anyone else who is more of a reliable threat than him.

IMO there's not much in it between Cole, Lennon and SWP with regards to threat-ability. If we were talking a couple of season's back then I would've agreed with you. Lennon played for 4 months last season and scored 3 and created 9 assists and he doesnt take corners. SWP also had better stats than Cole, although Cole played 5 games less in total minutes than both players' .However he does play for a superior team who scored over 100 goals in the league.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 19, 2010, 10:55:23 AM
There are two problems for England.

The first is that you are not as good as you think you are,which you realise everytime a mjor tournament rolls around but by the time the next one has come the delusion that you are contenders has resurfaced,while at the same time your opponents are better than you think they are,it's not 1980 anymore,there are teams that are decent and well organised and comfortable on the ball that are not named Germany,Spain,Holland etc.

The second problem is that Capello insists on playing a formation that neutralises your 3 best players.Rooney now prefers and has proven he is LETHAL when playing through the middle on his own.Lampard plays in a 3 man midfield for club and thrives and scores goals for fun.Gerrard when in the middle can grab any game by the scruff of the neck and drag a team to victory by steamrolling.

A 451/433 whatever you want to call it is what England should be playing,which incidetally would also allow for your 4th best player Joe Cole to fit nicely into the side at the same time.

I just can't understand why he insists on keeping with a formation that effetively kills every threat the side has.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 19, 2010, 11:13:42 AM
Not sure which is more shocking, Blatch's grim or Englands performance?

probs blatch's grim as nobody expected it!

What happened? Busto?

Someone sum up please!



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: jakally on June 19, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
Pretty sure girgy could have done a better job up top tonight.

fyp mate

yup, his finish at BB8 was incred.

You know it ;)

Listened to the game on the radio and was glad only my ears had to endure the tosh that we played! To sum it up i heard atrocious, terrible, shocking, nervious all sum up how england were playing and that was all in the first half!! Every player was poor but can sumbody tell me WTF Heskey did in this game? I think i heard he spent most of the game on the deck!

Can Fab Cap please log on here and look at my selections for next game.....


                                                         JAMES

               JOHNSON              UPSON                   TERRY                 A   COLE

              
                MILNER              LAMPARD                  BARRY                  J  COLE

                                                        GERRARD

                                                         ROONEY



Not a bad shout Girg, tho I don't think it matters who plays if all of your good players have shockers, like they did last night.

I would defo keep Carragher in - thought he was one of the few who played ok.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 19, 2010, 11:16:15 AM
Not sure which is more shocking, Blatch's grim or Englands performance?

probs blatch's grim as nobody expected it!

What happened? Busto?

Someone sum up please!



Blatch is the biggest delusional nasty piece of work to ever have posted on blonde and has grimmed people out of 10's of thousands of pounds.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 19, 2010, 11:17:53 AM
Pretty sure girgy could have done a better job up top tonight.

fyp mate

yup, his finish at BB8 was incred.

You know it ;)

Listened to the game on the radio and was glad only my ears had to endure the tosh that we played! To sum it up i heard atrocious, terrible, shocking, nervious all sum up how england were playing and that was all in the first half!! Every player was poor but can sumbody tell me WTF Heskey did in this game? I think i heard he spent most of the game on the deck!

Can Fab Cap please log on here and look at my selections for next game.....


                                                         JAMES

               JOHNSON              UPSON                   TERRY                 A   COLE

              
                MILNER              LAMPARD                  BARRY                  J  COLE

                                                        GERRARD

                                                         ROONEY



Not a bad shout Girg, tho I don't think it matters who plays if all of your good players have shockers, like they did last night.

I would defo keep Carragher in - thought he was one of the few who played ok.


Yea i thought carragher was one of englands 'better' players. He is suspended for the final game tho and id have dawson ahead of upson like everytime!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 19, 2010, 11:22:01 AM
Not sure which is more shocking, Blatch's grim or Englands performance?

probs blatch's grim as nobody expected it!

What happened? Busto?

Someone sum up please!



Blatch is the biggest delusional nasty piece of work to ever have posted on blonde and has grimmed people out of 10's of thousands of pounds.

What!

Having briefly followed that thread, I thought they were doing really well?

Surely not?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 19, 2010, 11:23:59 AM
not sure how you've missed it matt, it's all  here http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48399.0

original thread is removed at the moment


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 19, 2010, 11:24:35 AM
its all there m8, leave this thread to footy.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 19, 2010, 11:26:15 AM
England has the raw talent and the finances to recruit top quality coaching staff to get the team organised. There really is no reason for you to not be able to compete with the other European powerhouses.

You aint gonna win the 2010 cup right enough... who is though? It's not like
England are the only team under performing.

Going forward, ignoring the squad today and the current form, England has the following things going for it.

The global popularity of the EPL and how much money it brings in, it's not like the governing body has to watch the pennies.

The high population and the fact that football is by far and away the most popular sport, spontaneously games breaking out in every school playground.

The strong culture of support for the national side.


Speaking as a Scot, I shit myself every two years that you might win something. There's no reason you should resign yourself to perpetual mediocrity. Y'all need to get some perpective. Looking like you aint going to win this one right enough but there's no reason you can't win the next one.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 19, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
Tank you surprise me.

I thought you knew fuck all about football but that was a very sensible and educated post so well done.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 11:34:34 AM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 19, 2010, 11:37:58 AM
its all there m8, leave this thread to footy.

Sorry guys.....just wanted someone to sum up as it's getting on for 50 pages.....

Now, back to England....


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 11:50:24 AM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 11:57:40 AM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 11:59:02 AM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 19, 2010, 12:00:42 PM
Your read isn't off maldini, I don't know my 4-4-2 from my 5-4-1 and would be lost in any talk about the nitty gritty.

But I know I know fk all though, which is something perhaps.

One thing I can't understand is why you can't use an English manager. The advantage obviously being no language barrier and the ability to give fiery motivational team talks about what it means to play for England etc. The sort of thing that's important in any team sport at any level.

I can understand a country like the Ivory Coast bringing in a Sven, but I'm skeptical that England paying the big bux for Johnny foreigner as head coach is money well spent. Surely there must be an Englishman who is competent enough to do the job, and winnig a champions league or whatever shouldn't be a prerequisite for employment. Does winning a major comp mean the manager is one of 12 men in the world who are gifted enough to lead that team to glory, or is it just that the manager was in the right place at the right time and didn't fuck up too bad.

An ex England player as manager is what you want imo, some old defender who would boom out the national anthem and gladly sacrifice his body to help his team, the sort of guy who without thinking would smash his face off the post if it meant there was a small chance that he could turn conceding a corner into conceding a throw in. They can have support behind the scenes with the team picking and wotnot.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 12:03:30 PM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!

So you will give me 100/1 @ $20 me betting on Eng to win the WC yeah ??


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 12:11:43 PM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!


So you will give me 100/1 @ $20 me betting on Eng to win the WC yeah ??

if you like giving money away?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 12:14:28 PM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!


So you will give me 100/1 @ $20 me betting on Eng to win the WC yeah ??

if you like giving money away?

It's what I do best :)



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pokerfan on June 19, 2010, 12:19:34 PM
I can't believe we only managed a draw against a shit team we should easily have beaten.

I'm ashamed to call myself Algerian.  :D


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 12:26:00 PM
I would play:

James

Cole, Dawson, Terry, Johnson

Lennon, Gerrard, Barry, Joe Cole

Rooney, Defoe

Heskey hasn't been effective enough for me and Lampard has been utter shite. Need Gerrard down the middle and something different from the left

Give Defoe 90 mins. I would even consider playing Crouch up front with him because Rooney has been gash too.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: BAM on June 19, 2010, 12:32:09 PM
I would play:

James

Cole, Dawson, Terry, Johnson

Lennon, Gerrard, Barry, Joe Cole

Rooney, Defoe

Heskey hasn't been effective enough for me and Lampard has been utter shite. Need Gerrard down the middle and something different from the left

Give Defoe 90 mins. I would even consider playing Crouch up front with him because Rooney has been gash too.

Was thinking the same last night but I'm now thinking Gerrard supporting Rooney (sub him for defoe if he is still shite) and Cole or Carrick in with Lamps (sub for a round of toast if he is still shite)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 19, 2010, 02:24:14 PM
After the first 2 games i don't know how anybody could select Lampard or Rooney for the next game.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 19, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!


So you will give me 100/1 @ $20 me betting on Eng to win the WC yeah ??

if you like giving money away?

It's what I do best :)



can i get $20 on as well?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 19, 2010, 03:19:32 PM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!


So you will give me 100/1 @ $20 me betting on Eng to win the WC yeah ??

if you like giving money away?

It's what I do best :)



can i get $20 on as well?


+1


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Nem on June 19, 2010, 11:11:50 PM
lol at Dawson being Spurs best CB.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 11:14:41 PM
lol at Dawson being Spurs best CB.

Who is then King? Woodgate? If they played more than a handfull of games then they might be but imo Dawson is the best CB at spurs!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Nem on June 19, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
King/Woodgate/Bassong/Dawson/Kaboul


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 20, 2010, 12:10:52 AM
After the first 2 games i don't know how anybody could select Lampard or Rooney for the next game.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 20, 2010, 12:23:55 AM
After the first 2 games i don't know how anybody could select Lampard or Rooney for the next game.

How about.......


                             JAMES

JOHNSON       DAWSON     TERRY      A.COLE


MILNER          GERRARD <----- BARRY   J.COLE
   :                     :                               :
   :                     :                               :
   :                 DEFOE     CROUCH          :


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: buzzharvey22 on June 20, 2010, 02:12:58 AM
i know rooney has been gash so far but we all know how good he actualy is


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 20, 2010, 02:15:45 AM
lennon?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 20, 2010, 02:17:29 AM
After the first 2 games i don't know how anybody could select Lampard or Rooney for the next game.

How about.......


                             JAMES

JOHNSON       UPSON     TERRY      A.COLE


  GERRARD <----- BARRY                 J.COLE
   :                     :                               :
   :                     :                               :
   :                 DEFOE  ROONEY   CROUCH          :

FYP


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Nem on June 20, 2010, 04:36:14 AM
might as well play Heskey in a 4-3-3 as Defoe definitely cannot play there.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 20, 2010, 04:58:54 AM
Agree with Josedinho.

                                  James

       Johnson       Carragher     Terry         A.Cole

                                   Barry
      
       Lennon               Gerrard               J. Cole

                         Defoe          Crouch


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 20, 2010, 05:01:46 AM
England are going to win there final game 3-0 win the group and go on to win the World Cup, CMON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

il give anybody 100/1 that England don't win this years world cup!!

As for Dawson in for upson I agree as I think Dawson is the best cb that spurs have!

Ok how much can I have on ?


how ever much u like!!


So you will give me 100/1 @ $20 me betting on Eng to win the WC yeah ??

if you like giving money away?

It's what I do best :)



can i get $20 on as well?


+1

Guess we're not on? lol


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Nem on June 20, 2010, 05:23:49 AM
Agree with Josedinho.

                                  James

       Johnson       Carragher     Terry         A.Cole

                                   Barry
      
       Lennon               Gerrard               J. Cole

                         Defoe          Crouch

Thankfully Carragher is suspended. The only good thing to come out of Friday's game.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 20, 2010, 10:13:19 AM
might as well play Heskey in a 4-3-3 as Defoe definitely cannot play there.

ban please!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 20, 2010, 01:26:00 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8TNtU0_0_c

'Ladies and Gentleman, England will be playing 4-4 ****ing 2'


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 20, 2010, 05:03:46 PM
Quote
John Terry has rubbished reports of disharmony in the England camp and insisted all the players are fully behind manager Fabio Capello, although there will be a squad meeting on Sunday night to clear the air.

Stories have surfaced suggesting that some members of the squad are unhappy with Capello's strict regime as well as his tactics in the opening two games of the World Cup.

Having failed to impress in a 1-1 draw with USA in their first match, the Three Lions then received more criticism following a goalless stalemate against Algeria.

England must now beat Slovenia on Wednesday to make sure of a place in the last 16 and Terry insists the players are focused on getting the result they need.

"I have seen a few reports myself this morning, but coming here on behalf of the players I can say there is no unrest in the camp at all," the defender said on Sky Sports News.

"We are obviously still disappointed from the game the other night but we come again on the training field and we have to pick ourselves up and realise we going to the final game needing a win."


Terry, stripped of the captaincy earlier this year following allegations about his private life, maintains that nobody in the squad has a problem with Capello's man-management skills.

"I am not going to sit here and question the manager. I am here on behalf of the players and we are all fully behind the manager," he explained.

"Since the manager has come in he has had his ways and his philosophies and his ideas, and that has worked in the campaign, so nothing should change from there.

"We shouldn't be looking at excuses or criticising the manager. He takes a lot of responsibility being England manager.

"All we can do as a group of players is stay unified and stay together and make sure we get the win."


The players will get the opportunity to spell out their views to Capello at a meeting and Terry expects some frank exchanges.

Asked about his disgraced Chelsea team-mate Nicolas Anelka being sent home by France, Terry joked: "I see Nico was sent home for voicing his opinion and maybe a few of us will be sent home after this evening.

The centre-back added: "If we feel something has to change, we owe it to the country and the manager to say it in that meeting tonight. If it upsets him or any other player, so what."


Cole support
Some of the reports regarding player unrest claimed that a number of players were confused by Joe Cole's omission from the first two matches, with Capello not even bringing the Chelsea midfielder on as a substitute.

There have been calls for Cole to start against Slovenia and Terry believes his club-mate would perform well if selected, describing him as one of the most creative players in the squad.

"He was a great boost for Chelsea coming back from injury," said Terry

"I personally think that he and Wayne are the only two players in the side that can really open up things and the key to breaking down defences.

"If he is called upon, Joe will do a great job."

He might not have the armband,but JT is still the captain.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 20, 2010, 07:12:09 PM

definitely need 1 of these on wednesday


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr__-KqnfQM


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 21, 2010, 11:58:23 AM
Upson to start, bare bones time.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 21, 2010, 12:14:22 PM
Obviously depends on team selection but how many people are confident that we will make it through. Yesterday JT had me looking at Italia 90 results and thinking it would be okay but i've woke up thinking what i thought Saturday morning. Our world cup is over.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Camel on June 21, 2010, 12:17:24 PM

definitely need 1 of these on wednesday


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr__-KqnfQM

That was pretty impressive.

Wonder of the geezer who was there to lead the singing still got paid. The look on his face was priceless.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 21, 2010, 12:45:48 PM
Capello's too strict for me to play well in my England shirt?? FFS get a grip lads.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 21, 2010, 01:18:17 PM

definitely need 1 of these on wednesday


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr__-KqnfQM

That was pretty impressive.

Wonder of the geezer who was there to lead the singing still got paid. The look on his face was priceless.

That's Paul Young I think. 



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 21, 2010, 01:36:32 PM
Obviously depends on team selection but how many people are confident that we will make it through. Yesterday JT had me looking at Italia 90 results and thinking it would be okay but i've woke up thinking what i thought Saturday morning. Our world cup is over.

In Italia 90' we played well in the 2nd game and had the best of 0-0 draw against European Champions Holland (Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard etc), can't say the same about 2010.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 21, 2010, 02:02:36 PM
We also had a much better side in '90. Inspiration, creativity & goals could arrive from anywhere. Gascoigne, Waddle, Robson, Beardsley, Barnes, Lineker. God I miss Gascoigne in midfield. Very few in this crop who can actually go past people from midfield and work some individual magic. Joe Cole certainly can't sittin on the bench.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: lazaroonie on June 21, 2010, 02:06:15 PM
i wondered how long it would take, and I got the answer last night when I heard callers on 606 saying that Capello shouild be dumped and Stuart Pearce be given the job, probably because they remember his singing of the national anthem and fervent nationalism, rather than any solid evidence of tactical or managerial ablility.

'patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel'

samuel johnson


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 22, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
wtf, looks like he's dropping lennon for SWP/Milner. Why does this guy buzz off SWP so much, he is absolutely awful.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 22, 2010, 07:08:51 PM
england are sooooo over hyped in every single competitiion

i think they are terrible and have little chance of winning.

they dont have a team just some  big stars and alot of average players


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 22, 2010, 11:53:29 PM
i think i've figured it out. i think the Don reckoned his side could piss the group playing a dodgy formation. Then wheel out the proper set up when we hit the knockout stages. he's genius, i still believe.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 23, 2010, 08:27:26 AM
Please let them draw lots and get knocked out that way....

Heads or tails, kids?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 08:28:40 AM
Please let them draw lots and get knocked out that way....

Heads or tails, kids?

GTFO...

Tails plz :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Somerled on June 23, 2010, 09:47:32 AM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 09:50:44 AM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Somerled on June 23, 2010, 10:13:35 AM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I am Scottish born & bred though (admittedly with an Yorkshireman for a father) so, although I do want England to win, I won't be drastically upset if they go out.  :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 10:19:25 AM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I am Scottish born & bred though (admittedly with an Yorkshireman for a father) so, although I do want England to win, I won't be drastically upset if they go out.  :)

LOL,I knew as soon as I posted that you where going to give that kind of response,FML.Anyway hope you lose  ;)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Somerled on June 23, 2010, 10:25:22 AM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I am Scottish born & bred though (admittedly with an Yorkshireman for a father) so, although I do want England to win, I won't be drastically upset if they go out.  :)

LOL,I knew as soon as I posted that you where going to give that kind of response,FML.Anyway hope you lose  ;)
Cheers!  :)up I hope I lose too but I can't resist a good bet when I see one. Based on performances so far there's no way they are an 8-1 shot. About time Rooney got a hat-trick though.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: sledge13 on June 23, 2010, 10:29:05 AM
We also had a much better side in '90. Inspiration, creativity & goals could arrive from anywhere. Gascoigne, Waddle, Robson, Beardsley, Barnes, Lineker. God I miss Gascoigne in midfield. Very few in this crop who can actually go past people from midfield and work some individual magic. Joe Cole certainly can't sittin on the bench.

Deffo!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: curnow on June 23, 2010, 10:34:15 AM
lol u b watching it at Lochness mansion thinking anyone but England but if they do play like they did in last two matches then your 8-1 not bad

at least we cant get any worst so only way is up


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Somerled on June 23, 2010, 10:42:03 AM
lol u b watching it at Lochness mansion thinking anyone but England but if they do play like they did in last two matches then your 8-1 not bad

at least we cant get any worst so only way is up

Yeah my "good bets" invariably go tits up so I'm doing my bit to ensure an England victory. You can thank me tomight.  8)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: redsimon on June 23, 2010, 11:19:01 AM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

+1 redic price


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: jonny2jabs on June 23, 2010, 12:07:56 PM
come on england time to stop slowrolling...


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: igneous sock on June 23, 2010, 12:35:05 PM
Given the apparent mood in the England camp it`s worth a few quid on Slovenia & the draw at very decent odds. Without the settler of an early goal for England, this game will become increasingly frustrating for them. The pressure is already immense and I`m pretty sure the Slovenians won`t be carrying quite the same weight of expectation.

Heart says England. Brain says LAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 23, 2010, 01:44:41 PM
Money back on a fair few markets with Boylesports if England fail to win


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 23, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
Given the apparent mood in the England camp it`s worth a few quid on Slovenia & the draw at very decent odds. Without the settler of an early goal for England, this game will become increasingly frustrating for them. The pressure is already immense and I`m pretty sure the Slovenians won`t be carrying quite the same weight of expectation.

Heart says England. Brain says LAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!


GTFO


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 23, 2010, 01:46:23 PM
England will batter Slovenia today. What's happened so far is normal for England in world cups. In 1986 we lost to Portugal and couldn't beat Morocco before Lineker took Poland to skill school in the last game. This is how it always goes with England. History tells us to prepare for a qtr-final/semi-final exit on penalties and a convincing victory today. C'mon England.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 23, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
England will batter Slovenia today. What's happened so far is normal for England in world cups. In 1986 we lost to Portugal and couldn't beat Morocco before Lineker took Poland to skill school in the last game. This is how it always goes with England. History tells us to prepare for a qtr-final/semi-final exit on penalties and a convincing victory today. C'mon England.

I'm kinda thinking that, they have been given so much shit they are up for it. Anyway they really can't play as bad as they has done so far..........


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 23, 2010, 02:02:42 PM
England will batter Slovenia today. What's happened so far is normal for England in world cups. In 1986 we lost to Portugal and couldn't beat Morocco before Lineker took Poland to skill school in the last game. This is how it always goes with England. History tells us to prepare for a qtr-final/semi-final exit on penalties and a convincing victory today. C'mon England.

I'm kinda thinking that, they have been given so much shit they are up for it. Anyway they really can't play as bad as they has done so far..........

Yeah, when England abs have to win they're a different prospect. British Bulldog spirit. That never seems to come out in the early stages when we don't have to. Anyway, we're here to play knock-out football, and it starts today. Rooney will wake up in this match I reckon.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: jakally on June 23, 2010, 02:05:27 PM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I've had a little bit on Slovenia......desperately  want England to do it, but value is value......




Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 02:07:21 PM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I've had a little bit on Slovenia......desperately  want England to do it, but value is value......




DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should be joining me and knocking it in on England lets gogogogogo


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 23, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I've had a little bit on Slovenia......desperately  want England to do it, but value is value......




You can GTFO too.........sigh


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: jakally on June 23, 2010, 02:13:14 PM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I've had a little bit on Slovenia......desperately  want England to do it, but value is value......




You can GTFO too.........sigh

My great grandad is Irish...........................

I will be shouting as loud as anyone over the next couple of hours, and will be gutted if the bet comes  in.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 02:18:12 PM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I've had a little bit on Slovenia......desperately  want England to do it, but value is value......




You can GTFO too.........sigh

My great grandad is Irish...........................

I will be shouting as loud as anyone over the next couple of hours, and will be gutted if the bet comes  in.


O RLY!!!! :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 23, 2010, 02:23:03 PM
Well, I do want England to get through, I reallly do, but I reckon 8/1 on Slovenia is just a tad overpriced so I couldn't resist a wee tickle. So at least if Slovenia beat England I have a small profit with which to console myself.

You should be ashamed of yourself,this is total betrayal of your country,hang your head in shame.Seriously though I couldn't do this,it just wouldn't feel right to have a part of you that was happy at winning money from England losing.

I've had a little bit on Slovenia......desperately  want England to do it, but value is value......




You can GTFO too.........sigh

My great grandad is Irish...........................

I will be shouting as loud as anyone over the next couple of hours, and will be gutted if the bet comes  in.


O REILY!!!! :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Snatiramas on June 23, 2010, 02:29:24 PM
i desperately want England to win but my brain has just placed a bet at 10-1 on 0-0


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: igneous sock on June 23, 2010, 02:35:46 PM
The loyalty is admirable. Misplaced but admirable.

I wish I could back England but on all known information it`s not looking too good. 1.46 is ludicrously short imo. Even with past bulldog grit in the final group game as usually seen, I`m still not convinced a team with their attitude and pressure on can do it

No need to be loyal either as I ain`t English :P


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 23, 2010, 02:56:57 PM
Come on England!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLjMcK77BFU


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Teacake on June 23, 2010, 04:34:46 PM
England are playing well and deserve to be winning but this commentary on BBC is tilting the f*ck out of me. Lawrenson is an absolute cock!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: scottm on June 23, 2010, 04:41:11 PM
England are playing well and deserve to be winning but this commentary on BBC is tilting the f*ck out of me. Lawrenson is an absolute cock!

+ 1
The other one is just as bad !


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Teacake on June 23, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
England are playing well and deserve to be winning but this commentary on BBC is tilting the f*ck out of me. Lawrenson is an absolute cock!

+ 1
The other one is just as bad !

He's not a commentator he's a cheerleader and the "banter" between these two is cringeworthy


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 23, 2010, 05:04:12 PM
England 2nd in the group??? now for a German win to set up penalties


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 23, 2010, 05:05:23 PM
England 2nd in the group??? now for a German win to set up penalties

yup, looking that way.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 23, 2010, 05:08:50 PM
England 2nd in the group??? now for a German win to set up penalties

yup, looking that way.

Then poss Argies.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 23, 2010, 05:12:42 PM
England 2nd in the group??? now for a German win to set up penalties

yup, looking that way.

great stuff..RP was right, 3-1 England getting knocked out in second round looks a good bet now :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 23, 2010, 05:13:05 PM
Come on Serbia, win that group


Argies in the quarters anyway, should we do it


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 23, 2010, 05:16:58 PM
Come on Serbia, win that group


Argies in the quarters anyway, should we do it

Revenge against Maradona.  Rooney handball to win it.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 23, 2010, 05:17:52 PM
Am I going to be listeniing to 90 minutes of "we can win it" on you're on sky sports tonight?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 23, 2010, 05:22:59 PM
Am I going to be listeniing to 90 minutes of "we can win it" on you're on sky sports tonight?

Germany, Argentina, Spain then Brazil. Easy.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 23, 2010, 05:24:35 PM
Am I going to be listeniing to 90 minutes of "we can win it" on you're on sky sports tonight?

Germany, Argentina, Spain then Brazil. Easy.

Book the parade.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 23, 2010, 05:28:23 PM
everyone saying upson was really good today? he was terrible. also gtfo rooney.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: sledge13 on June 23, 2010, 05:29:12 PM
England are playing well and deserve to be winning but this commentary on BBC is tilting the f*ck out of me. Lawrenson is an absolute cock!

Thought they were com....Lawerson on Pearce "I think hes got worms"


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 23, 2010, 05:31:36 PM
England are playing well and deserve to be winning but this commentary on BBC is tilting the f*ck out of me. Lawrenson is an absolute cock!

Thought they were fairly amusing, enjoyed it.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 23, 2010, 05:34:52 PM
I liked Lawro's puns, though the team worked well together



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 05:38:31 PM
YYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 23, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
Knockout football!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think we're better when teams come to play against us so now we're through i think we have a chance no matter who we play.So glad Slovenia went out. Got far too big for their boots.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 23, 2010, 05:51:13 PM
yeah lawro is hilarious imo.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 23, 2010, 05:54:42 PM
We won, we played reasonably well (without being amazing), everything is good with the world again.

Gl to Ghana and Serbia this evening.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 23, 2010, 05:55:36 PM
[ ] bothered about Germany


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: maldini32 on June 23, 2010, 06:04:03 PM
Mark Lawrenson is the biggest bell end on tv


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: REALDEAL on June 23, 2010, 06:08:06 PM
A win is a win after all.

Goodluck team england.

I did hear that oxo was bringing out a new oxo cube (it being white with st georges cross on it) they were supposed to be calling it the laughing stox.Is this still the case?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 23, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
A win is a win after all.

Goodluck team england.

I did hear that oxo was bringing out a new oxo cube (it being white with st georges cross on it) they were supposed to be calling it the laughing stox.Is this still the case?

FAIL


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 23, 2010, 06:13:46 PM
everyone saying upson was really good today? he was terrible. also gtfo rooney.

Thought Upson was out of position and made wrong decisions on plenty of occasions, needing Johnson and Terry to bail him out.  Made a good tackle near the death, and it seems all is forgiven.

Rooney played well for about 15 minutes of the match.  The rest of the time looked either disinterested or unable to get more involved.

Milner played very well at times, but before the fantastic cross he made for the goal, he was dire.  Gave it away too much for my liking, but made some decent crosses and was excellent at the end in the corner running the clock down.

Barry gave it away too much trying to be clever.

But otherwise, we were OK.  Hardly set the world on fire, but we had moments when we looked like a team that could get through a few more rounds maybe.  Then again, we should have scored at least one more goal and topped the group.  That might come back and bite us.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 23, 2010, 06:14:26 PM
Lawrenson is a tit.

I don't rate his knowledge on football, he isn't in the least bit funny and which international team did he play for again?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Teacake on June 23, 2010, 06:31:09 PM
Mark Lawrenson is the biggest bell end on tv

at the moment

which he says every other time he opens his gub to add to the tilt factor


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 23, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
ffs

england win 1 - 0 via a 2nd rate european side
and now everyone being interviewed on the tv
claim england are going all the way now

think england might need to play a hell of alot better
to get through the next 2 rounds on what is now a much tougher
draw with germany likely in last 16 and argentina in last 8
only IF england get past those 2 games will i even think
of england getting anywhere near winning the thing


nice win today england but that performance was far from world beaters


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 23, 2010, 08:05:57 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QIAv2EoIP0.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 23, 2010, 08:32:01 PM
Mark Lawrenson is the biggest bell end on tv


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 23, 2010, 08:32:24 PM
everyone saying upson was really good today? he was terrible. also gtfo rooney.

Thought Upson was out of position and made wrong decisions on plenty of occasions, needing Johnson and Terry to bail him out.  Made a good tackle near the death, and it seems all is forgiven.

Rooney played well for about 15 minutes of the match.  The rest of the time looked either disinterested or unable to get more involved.

Milner played very well at times, but before the fantastic cross he made for the goal, he was dire.  Gave it away too much for my liking, but made some decent crosses and was excellent at the end in the corner running the clock down.

Barry gave it away too much trying to be clever.

But otherwise, we were OK.  Hardly set the world on fire, but we had moments when we looked like a team that could get through a few more rounds maybe.  Then again, we should have scored at least one more goal and topped the group.  That might come back and bite us.

This


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 23, 2010, 08:36:03 PM
Also I've never been so happy to see Lampard turn up to a game. He was excellent in the second half. More pls.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 23, 2010, 09:07:07 PM
Also I've never been so happy to see Lampard turn up to a game. He was excellent in the second half. More pls.

as good as lampard was good barry was 2x as bad.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 23, 2010, 09:33:20 PM
England v Germany CMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 IT IS TIME!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 23, 2010, 09:35:10 PM
.......Even Heskey scored


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Amatay on June 23, 2010, 09:35:50 PM
Would have preferred Ghana and then N. Korea or Urugauy in the QF instead of the Krauts and then prob Argies in the QF obv. Oh well fk it, bring on them dirtay Krauts!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: George2Loose on June 23, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
I'm glad we have the Germans..... I really think we'll beat them!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 23, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
I'm glad we have the Germans..... I really think we'll beat them!

u truely think england will win the way they are playing?

sorry i normally support the underdogs and i am actually thinking off supporting england cause if both teams play like they have been then it could be a cricket score


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: smileriraq on June 23, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Just heard the comment of the tournament

This world cup has turned out like ww2! The french surrendered early, the usa arrive last min and England are left to fight the fucking Germans!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 23, 2010, 09:56:07 PM
I'm not saying we're going to win it Ironside but we're undefeated. The Germans lost to Serbia. So on the last 3 games form i'm not sure how you come up with a cricket score.
In recent years we seem to have played better against the better teams. They are favourites, no doubt about that, but i think we can give them a game. Probably lose on penalties hopefully after some dodgy decision so that we can grumble "we'd have won it" for the next few years.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pokerfan on June 23, 2010, 09:58:39 PM
Just heard the comment of the tournament

This world cup has turned out like ww2! The french surrendered early, the usa arrive last min and England are left to fight the fucking Germans!
Ta.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Ironside on June 23, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
I'm not saying we're going to win it Ironside but we're undefeated. The Germans lost to Serbia. So on the last 3 games form i'm not sure how you come up with a cricket score.
In recent years we seem to have played better against the better teams. They are favourites, no doubt about that, but i think we can give them a game. Probably lose on penalties hopefully after some dodgy decision so that we can grumble "we'd have won it" for the next few years.

it just gets me that one minute england are the worst team since ally mcleods '78 scotland squad then a slightly better performance and a 1 nil win against a really weak side england should of been scoring a hatfull against then its england are world champs again i have had to turn off all the news etc this evening as i was getting sick of fans and pundits talking about " we were brilliant and we are going to win the world cup" this is why so many scots want to support ABE, england have made a rod for there own backs by not winning the group now if they want to win the cup they need to get past germany then argentina and brazil in the final so if they do get there then they will deserve it by they are a long way from being close to beating germany or argentina


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 23, 2010, 10:25:32 PM
I'm not saying we're going to win it Ironside but we're undefeated. The Germans lost to Serbia. So on the last 3 games form i'm not sure how you come up with a cricket score.
In recent years we seem to have played better against the better teams. They are favourites, no doubt about that, but i think we can give them a game. Probably lose on penalties hopefully after some dodgy decision so that we can grumble "we'd have won it" for the next few years.

There is no way Germany are favourites against England.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 23, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
Early betfair odds have both sides at about 2.8 . It is going to be a close evenly contested match imo, lets doooooooooooooooooo this.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 23, 2010, 10:37:52 PM
Already backed England @ 2.86 and @ 1.9 draw no bet(only small mind)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
Anybody who thinks dropping Rooney is a good idea I guarantee is absolutely clueless,he is by far our best player and he played well today imo but even if he'd been shit again you never ever drop your best player.He has more ability then any player who's played for England in the last 20 years and probably ever so dropping him would be ludicrous.I thought Milner was excellent today he started nervous but once he got into the game he was our best player for me.We should play the same 11 in the next game and I'm confident we can do the Germans,we put in a good performance today,bring it on!!!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 23, 2010, 11:31:41 PM
Should be an awesome game whatever happens.

The England Germany rivalry is somewhat analogous to the Scotland England rivarly.

The Germans don't feel to need to reciprocate the English rivalry and are more bothered with the Dutch. Similarly, most of the English fans (with honorable exceptions) don't have the decency to anti-rail the Scots in return.

If you're an English fan who hasn't previously made fun of the Scots, now would be a good time to have a dig along the lines of "hard to anti-rail you when you've not bought in" or something like that. Be an honorable exception, hate our guts, you'll feel better for it. :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 23, 2010, 11:44:55 PM
Rooney wasn't good today, infact I would go as far to say he was awful. He is sooo greedy atm, he kept turning and trying to shoot rather than pass. Rooney and Defoe doesnt work, you can see this from their scoring record together, we need something to hit and obv Defoe can't and Rooney's touch atm is awful it's literally bouncing off him. We look most dangerous when we are putting balls into the box, there was a time today when Milner put a really good cross into the back post and Rooney literally just looked at the guy heading the ball out, most strikers would of been all over him trying to get in. He doesn't seem to give a fuck anymore, in the past when he gave the ball away he chased and hounded 50 yards for the ball back. Now he is losing the ball more than ever and instead of winning it back for the team he is just sulking like a big kid.

In regards the best player/most ability any player has had for 20 years. I would much prefer to have Lineker (sp)/Shearer than Rooney.

Crouch/Defoe have a really good understanding, they understand eachothers games and they have a good strike rate between them. It's unlikely that Capello has the bollocks to drop Rooney against the Germans as his job will be on the line and he'll get soooo much criticism.

I'd also def not choose the same team, I'd put Carragher in for Upson.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 23, 2010, 11:51:26 PM
Rooney>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shearer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Linekar

Not to fussed who plays between Upson and Carragher,think Carragher is better but the not changing winning team mentallity and Upson made a hero tackle in last minute.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 24, 2010, 12:52:37 AM
The hero tackle Upson made would of been done by Carragher/Rio/King, he was gash through the rest of the match, his distribution and positional sense is awful.

Shearer/Defoe >>>> Rooney/Defoe


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 24, 2010, 02:52:13 AM
The hero tackle Upson made would of been done by Carragher/Rio/King, he was gash through the rest of the match, his distribution and positional sense is awful.

Shearer/Defoe >>>> Rooney/Defoe

king wouldn't of been on long enough to make such a tackle!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 24, 2010, 09:28:32 AM
meh england were terrible

they didnt look comfortable on or off the ball
was shaky when they didnt have the ball
and they didnt look like a threat through out the game and produced 2-3 chances total

if they was against a better team i am pretty sure they would be easily beaten




it was a redic boring game reminds me of the champ league final between milan and juve ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



pretty sure the germans will crush england pretty easily


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 24, 2010, 09:41:30 AM
meh england were terrible

they didnt look comfortable on or off the ball
was shaky when they didnt have the ball
and they didnt look like a threat through out the game and produced 2-3 chances total

if they was against a better team i am pretty sure they would be easily beaten




it was a redic boring game reminds me of the champ league final between milan and juve ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



pretty sure the germans will crush england pretty easily

 rotflmfao

We had 5 or 6 very good chances but meh you obv aren't a fan,we will see come Sunday.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 24, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
The problem England seem to have is an inability to break down teams who set up defensively.  Very similar problem Liverpool had last season.  Fortunately, England haven't had the leaky defence to go with it, and so we're through to the knock-out stages.

We will play better against Germany, because it's Germany.  But also because Germany won't park the bus, they'll come and play and so our 'attacking' players will have more room to actually attack and create openings.  Shame we don't play Brazil earlier, as I'd also like to think we could give them a decent game.  As in boxing, styles make fights, and England v Brazil would work for me as a great game.  Shame we can't meet now until the final (I think that's right?) and I sincerely doubt we're going to get that far. 

The good thing about playing Germany in the next round, is that we get to play Germany in the next round.  Is there a game that English fans look forward to with more relish?  Maybe the Argies, and we get them in the quarters don't we (assuming both get through)?  The World Cup only comes round once every 4 years (or once every 16 years for Scotland - that was just for Tank), and it'd be rubbish if we didn't play Germany and Argentina.  They're the games we want to watch.  Roll n Sunday!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 24, 2010, 10:44:56 AM
Agree Kin,we always play better against better teams and that's not just because where up for it more but because as you say they're more attacking against us.Really looking forward to it and I think we have a good chance of getting through.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 11:41:23 AM
The problem England seem to have is an inability to break down teams who set up defensively.  Very similar problem Liverpool had last season.  Fortunately, England haven't had the leaky defence to go with it, and so we're through to the knock-out stages.

We will play better against Germany, because it's Germany.  But also because Germany won't park the bus, they'll come and play and so our 'attacking' players will have more room to actually attack and create openings.  Shame we don't play Brazil earlier, as I'd also like to think we could give them a decent game.  As in boxing, styles make fights, and England v Brazil would work for me as a great game.  Shame we can't meet now until the final (I think that's right?) and I sincerely doubt we're going to get that far.  

The good thing about playing Germany in the next round, is that we get to play Germany in the next round.  Is there a game that English fans look forward to with more relish?  Maybe the Argies, and we get them in the quarters don't we (assuming both get through)?  The World Cup only comes round once every 4 years (or once every 16 years for Scotland - that was just for Tank), and it'd be rubbish if we didn't play Germany and Argentina.  They're the games we want to watch.  Roll n Sunday!

This, nothing more I like than a good old bit of revenge against these two teams..............


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 11:42:43 AM
meh england were terrible

they didnt look comfortable on or off the ball
was shaky when they didnt have the ball
and they didnt look like a threat through out the game and produced 2-3 chances total

if they was against a better team i am pretty sure they would be easily beaten




it was a redic boring game reminds me of the champ league final between milan and juve ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



pretty sure the germans will crush england pretty easily

Glass half empty much?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 24, 2010, 11:50:56 AM
meh england were terrible

they didnt look comfortable on or off the ball
was shaky when they didnt have the ball
and they didnt look like a threat through out the game and produced 2-3 chances total

if they was against a better team i am pretty sure they would be easily beaten




it was a redic boring game reminds me of the champ league final between milan and juve ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



pretty sure the germans will crush england pretty easily

Glass half empty much?


nope


just didnt thnk it was very good or entertaining football thats alll




Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 24, 2010, 11:51:40 AM
We've beaten Germany and Argentina recently (In International football years, which is the opposite of dog years), it Portugal I want to stuff (which is a shame as I have them in the sweep).



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 11:52:34 AM
meh england were terrible

they didnt look comfortable on or off the ball
was shaky when they didnt have the ball
and they didnt look like a threat through out the game and produced 2-3 chances total

if they was against a better team i am pretty sure they would be easily beaten




it was a redic boring game reminds me of the champ league final between milan and juve ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



pretty sure the germans will crush england pretty easily

Glass half empty much?


nope


just didnt thnk it was very good or entertaining football thats alll




You must not support England then, as I fail to see how that was not entertaining for a supporter...........


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 24, 2010, 12:05:23 PM
Route to the final Germany, Argentina, Spain and Brazil

Never going to happen.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 12:09:32 PM
Route to the final Germany, Argentina, Spain and Brazil

Never going to happen.

You maybe right, but would be incred if we did ;woohoo;


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 24, 2010, 12:13:55 PM
How about those who think we have no chance of winning start there own thread to anti-funk on England and leave us in peace to dream.

Simply put GTFO  ;)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 12:16:36 PM
How about those who think we have no chance of winning start there own thread to anti-funk on England and leave us in peace to dream.

Simply put GTFO  ;)

Agreed, can't be doing with negative miserable fkers...........


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 24, 2010, 12:17:03 PM
How about those who think we have no chance of winning start there own thread to anti-funk on England and leave us in peace to dream.

Simply put GTFO  ;)

If Holland don't win it I hope England do TBH.

I would just love the commentators to shut up about 1966 and can't wait to hear about the World Champions England for the next 4 years.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
How about those who think we have no chance of winning start there own thread to anti-funk on England and leave us in peace to dream.

Simply put GTFO  ;)

If Holland don't win it I hope England do TBH.

I would just love the commentators to shut up about 1966 and can't wait to hear about the World Champions England for the next 4 years.

Meh, you just wish you had a similar point of reference :D


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 24, 2010, 12:46:23 PM
People are proper seething that we are through.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 24, 2010, 12:48:59 PM
If Robert Green hadn't dropped that ball in the first game, then everyone would be talking about how nobody can break us down adn we have the best defence in the world. To say we looked shaky on the ball is ridic, we looked really comfortable with some really good one touch football. onwards and upwards.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 24, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
If Robert Green hadn't dropped that ball in the first game, then everyone would be talking about how nobody can break us down adn we have the best defence in the world. To say we looked shaky on the ball is ridic, we looked really comfortable with some really good one touch football. onwards and upwards.

Some of the football we played was up there with the best I've seen in the tournament and that's not me being biased.Gerrard was pinging 50yard passes everywhere and Milner was a constant danger.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 24, 2010, 01:10:11 PM
I thought we did a great job and the result could have quite easily been more comfortable. Rooney's starting to get proper pissed off and that can only be bad news for the germs. The two questionable things on display were 1. the condition of the pitch which wasn't anywhere near world standard, and 2. John Terry's full length diving header to block a low Slovenia shot, there's commitment and there's wtf.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 24, 2010, 01:33:30 PM
If Robert Green hadn't dropped that ball in the first game, then everyone would be talking about how nobody can break us down adn we have the best defence in the world. To say we looked shaky on the ball is ridic, we looked really comfortable with some really good one touch football. onwards and upwards.

Some of the football we played was up there with the best I've seen in the tournament and that's not me being biased.Gerrard was pinging 50yard passes everywhere and Milner was a constant danger.

+1 mond

gerrard and milner were class! Summet not right with Rooney but if he starts firing then the germans will have problems!!

 Terrys commitment is 2nd to none and wish the while team played like him!! I thought upson did well. Lampard and barry wernt cracking and need to
find the form that they show for their clubs!!

Ashley cole has been the best England player by far this tourney!! Johnson is ok but a little clumsy in tackles! And everytime anybody has a shot on goal I can't help but cringe!

Let's hope they show the spirit like they did at the end of last game and let's hope to put one over on the krauts again!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 24, 2010, 01:34:19 PM
Just realised that the USA have a sick good draw, it wouldn't surprise me if they reached the semis.............Robert Green FFS.............


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: outragous76 on June 24, 2010, 01:42:07 PM
I have a good feeling about Sunday, and it reminds me of a good story, and a great chant you should all adopt

I was lucky enough to see england at the 2006 world cup v's ecuador in Stuttgart.

It was coming to the end of a drab 1st half, and there were thousands of germans in the crowd who just started chanting "deutschland deutschland deutschland", probably to wind up the english.

Then, from the genuis of the English football fans came my favourite ever football chant to put the Oppo - (or randoms in the this case), in their place


"five one, and even heskey scored, five one and even heskey scored" - to the "go west" type tune

f'king brilliant - even better they understood and went sheepishly quiet


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: igneous sock on June 24, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
If Robert Green hadn't dropped that ball in the first game, then everyone would be talking about how nobody can break us down adn we have the best defence in the world. To say we looked shaky on the ball is ridic, we looked really comfortable with some really good one touch football. onwards and upwards.

wat!

wasn`t the same game I watched then.

Where`s that thread?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 24, 2010, 01:43:55 PM
If Robert Green hadn't dropped that ball in the first game, then everyone would be talking about how nobody can break us down adn we have the best defence in the world. To say we looked shaky on the ball is ridic, we looked really comfortable with some really good one touch football. onwards and upwards.

Some of the football we played was up there with the best I've seen in the tournament and that's not me being biased.Gerrard was pinging 50yard passes everywhere and Milner was a constant danger.

+1 mond

gerrard and milner were class! Summet not right with Rooney but if he starts firing then the germans will have problems!!

 Terrys commitment is 2nd to none and wish the while team played like him!! I thought upson did well. Lampard and barry wernt cracking and need to
find the form that they show for their clubs!!

Ashley cole has been the best England player by far this tourney!! Johnson is ok but a little clumsy in tackles! And everytime anybody has a shot on goal I can't help but cringe!

Let's hope they show the spirit like they did at the end of last game and let's hope to put one over on the krauts again!!

Apart from the supposed "hero" tackle, why do you think Upson played well? And why were you so happy about Gareth Barry?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Amatay on June 24, 2010, 01:50:50 PM
Just read this....


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/world-cup/armchair-pundit/article/946/

:(


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 24, 2010, 01:50:58 PM
If Robert Green hadn't dropped that ball in the first game, then everyone would be talking about how nobody can break us down adn we have the best defence in the world. To say we looked shaky on the ball is ridic, we looked really comfortable with some really good one touch football. onwards and upwards.

Some of the football we played was up there with the best I've seen in the tournament and that's not me being biased.Gerrard was pinging 50yard passes everywhere and Milner was a constant danger.

+1 mond

gerrard and milner were class! Summet not right with Rooney but if he starts firing then the germans will have problems!!

 Terrys commitment is 2nd to none and wish the while team played like him!! I thought upson did well. Lampard and barry wernt cracking and need to
find the form that they show for their clubs!!

Ashley cole has been the best England player by far this tourney!! Johnson is ok but a little clumsy in tackles! And everytime anybody has a shot on goal I can't help but cringe!

Let's hope they show the spirit like they did at the end of last game and let's hope to put one over on the krauts again!!


Apart from the supposed "hero" tackle, why do you think Upson played well? And why were you so happy about Gareth Barry?

never said I was happy about Barry! Said he wasn't cracking!! ie not his best performance and needs to play more like he did/does for villa/man city!

I meant to say upson did 'ok'. Don't really think he did anything majorly wrong!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Cottonbud on June 24, 2010, 02:22:55 PM
What I can't understand is why Fabio doesn't play Joe Cole on the left and put Gerrard back in the middle replacing Gareth Barry. Gerrard is a complete waste on the left, one of the most talented central mid-fielders in the world. Never seen him looking so uncomfortable with the ball at his feet he was always losing valuable seconds bringing the ball onto his right foot. We seem to have only one wing at the mo and that is the right hand side. A good coach like the German's will spot this immediately and punish us unless we can make a change before the match. I also don't think Barry is upto scratch in terms of international football, he looks like he lacks confidence on the ball and is constantly looking for the long ball/hoofing it in a panicky manner.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 24, 2010, 04:18:57 PM
Emile Heskey smashed volley after volley into the net yesterday. Turns out he's shit at tennis as well.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 24, 2010, 05:33:33 PM
What I can't understand is why Fabio doesn't play Joe Cole on the left and put Gerrard back in the middle replacing Gareth Barry. Gerrard is a complete waste on the left, one of the most talented central mid-fielders in the world. Never seen him looking so uncomfortable with the ball at his feet he was always losing valuable seconds bringing the ball onto his right foot. We seem to have only one wing at the mo and that is the right hand side. A good coach like the German's will spot this immediately and punish us unless we can make a change before the match. I also don't think Barry is upto scratch in terms of international football, he looks like he lacks confidence on the ball and is constantly looking for the long ball/hoofing it in a panicky manner.


If we're going to be playing teams like Argentina we need a player to be able to sit infront of the back four. Gerrard did well on the left yesterday, he worked really well with Ashley Cole and we got lots of attacks down the left so I think to say we only had one wing was pretty harsh. Lampard also looked alot better yesterday as he knew Barry was behind him and he could bomb on. You say Barry kept hoofing the ball up, but I think it was the opposite, he was trying little flicks and tricks far too often yesterday and I think the "Englands Saviour" tag that the press Capello has given him has really went to his head. A couple of times he was sloppy and against better opposition we would of been punished imo. Gerrard is also good on the left because he can cut in and put in some really good crosses. Finally Rooney likes to cut in from the left and pull left meaning Gerrard can move into the middle.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Cottonbud on June 25, 2010, 02:46:57 AM
What I can't understand is why Fabio doesn't play Joe Cole on the left and put Gerrard back in the middle replacing Gareth Barry. Gerrard is a complete waste on the left, one of the most talented central mid-fielders in the world. Never seen him looking so uncomfortable with the ball at his feet he was always losing valuable seconds bringing the ball onto his right foot. We seem to have only one wing at the mo and that is the right hand side. A good coach like the German's will spot this immediately and punish us unless we can make a change before the match. I also don't think Barry is upto scratch in terms of international football, he looks like he lacks confidence on the ball and is constantly looking for the long ball/hoofing it in a panicky manner.


If we're going to be playing teams like Argentina we need a player to be able to sit infront of the back four. Gerrard did well on the left yesterday, he worked really well with Ashley Cole and we got lots of attacks down the left so I think to say we only had one wing was pretty harsh. Lampard also looked alot better yesterday as he knew Barry was behind him and he could bomb on. You say Barry kept hoofing the ball up, but I think it was the opposite, he was trying little flicks and tricks far too often yesterday and I think the "Englands Saviour" tag that the press Capello has given him has really went to his head. A couple of times he was sloppy and against better opposition we would of been punished imo. Gerrard is also good on the left because he can cut in and put in some really good crosses. Finally Rooney likes to cut in from the left and pull left meaning Gerrard can move into the middle.

The only part I agree with is Gerrard helps Ashley Cole get forward more who for me is playing very well at the moment, his divorce from Cheryl has probably helped him and motivates him more for football again. By the time Gerrard cuts inside and gets it on his right, the chance is usually gone you need someone who can cross with their left foot. As for Barry he gave the ball away so many times in stupid spots or just whacked it up field I really don't think hes good enough at all.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Cottonbud on June 25, 2010, 03:05:38 AM
INGURLANDD!!!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0uIKjommQ


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 25, 2010, 09:00:31 AM
Gerrard did OK on the left, but that's because he's one of the best footballers in the world.

It's not where you get the most from him.  He can play right back and do a job there, but again it's not using him to his full potential.

I didn't understand why Capello brought Joe Cole on he stuck him in the hole behind Rooney, when he could have put Gerrard there and let Cole do his left-sided thing that he's done for England on many occasions.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 25, 2010, 09:04:58 AM
Cole looked really unfit when he came on. He was blowing after 10mins. Unless Milner is going to play on the left and Lennon find some form and play on the right then i'm afraid Gerrard has to stay out there.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 25, 2010, 12:01:08 PM
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/headtohead/team1=ger/team2=eng/index.html

surprised me to see that we're winning all time head to head vs germany


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Potless on June 25, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/headtohead/team1=ger/team2=eng/index.html

surprised me to see that we're winning all time head to head vs germany

Of the teams remaining only Brazil and Uruguay have better h2h records with England and they should both be in the other half of the draw after today's games. Final anyone?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: kinboshi on June 25, 2010, 12:42:50 PM
Cole looked really unfit when he came on. He was blowing after 10mins. Unless Milner is going to play on the left and Lennon find some form and play on the right then i'm afraid Gerrard has to stay out there.

Oh, I expect him to be played out there.  I just don't think it's the best use of his brilliant talent.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Cottonbud on June 25, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
1st time I've seen this Carlsberg advert but I am loving it already - all heart!! Gets me in the mood for Football!! INGURLANNNDDDDD!!!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66OuJZGDCHE


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 25, 2010, 03:02:00 PM
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/headtohead/team1=ger/team2=eng/index.html

surprised me to see that we're winning all time head to head vs germany

How many of these games are pre 2nd world war, when England/Scotland were far more advanced footballing nations than any other.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 25, 2010, 05:13:21 PM
King is fit!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 25, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/headtohead/team1=ger/team2=eng/index.html

surprised me to see that we're winning all time head to head vs germany

How many of these games are pre 2nd world war, when England/Scotland were far more advanced footballing nations than any other.



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Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 25, 2010, 05:16:19 PM
King is fit!

made me lol. should be on the people you fancy but probs shouldn't thread


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 25, 2010, 05:32:28 PM
How about those who think we have no chance of winning start there own thread to anti-funk on England and leave us in peace to dream.

Simply put GTFO  ;)

If Holland don't win it I hope England do TBH.

I would just love the commentators to shut up about 1966 and can't wait to hear about the World Champions England for the next 4 years.

you would then have to listen to



"the 2 times world cup winners"






































 ENGERLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 25, 2010, 05:35:25 PM
King is fit!

to last how long?????????/


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 25, 2010, 06:57:36 PM
King is fit!

made me lol. should be on the people you fancy but probs shouldn't thread

haha


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 25, 2010, 07:47:57 PM
King is fit!

sigh

wish him and heskey would clash both injuring themselves in the process!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 27, 2010, 12:35:22 PM
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!
(http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/print/2006/7/nike-rooney-large.jpg)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 27, 2010, 12:36:59 PM
Good luck England.

I actually think this will be a relatively comfortable win.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Pelham Boy on June 27, 2010, 12:40:11 PM
(http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr210/jarv_1/kuntz.jpg)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 27, 2010, 03:47:08 PM
Why do Germany look so much fitter/sharper/inventive/intelligent?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 27, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
CHEATING BASTARDS!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 27, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
Mark Lawrence STFU please.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 27, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
Mark Lawrence STFU please.

Quote from Lawro. How many millions are in our country? 70?

No Mark, Ireland has less than that.

Has he forgotten what country he played for or is this a different Mark Lawrenson?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 27, 2010, 04:37:06 PM
WTF WTF WTF, ytf wudnt you take a booking there!

Ever a time to bring him down and take 1 for the team its there, fkin idiot.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 27, 2010, 04:39:33 PM
cheers ref.

Johnson, Terry and Barry need to take a long hard look at themselves too.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 27, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
Reality check:  Milner valued at £24 million LOL, Ozil about £100 mil then, genuinely?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 04:44:48 PM
barry/upson/rooney gtfooooooooooooooo


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: EvilPie on June 27, 2010, 04:46:23 PM
Just watched my first bit of England football for a good few years.

Remember why I stopped giving a shit about 18 years ago..


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Girgy85 on June 27, 2010, 04:54:21 PM
cheers ref.

Johnson, Terry and Barry need to take a long hard look at their bank statements and wonder why they have so much moneyz!

fyp


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 04:54:56 PM

zomgggggggggggg bringing swp on, our worst player. wtf is wrong with crouch/lennon?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: George2Loose on June 27, 2010, 05:01:14 PM
Shite.

Did say Rio would be a MASSIVE miss and so it's proved.

From front to back awful- disallowed goal means f all because we simply are not good enough


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 27, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
cheers ref.

Johnson, Terry and Barry need to take a long hard look at themselves too.

Sure was the refs faullt.  

And you forgot Rooney, who was invisilble for 4 matches.  


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: sledge13 on June 27, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
Blaming the manager yet again, its players like Rooney...overrated hype, he actually looks overweight...worst World Cup result ever, gg 2010!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 05:05:36 PM
obv the refs fault abit, if it's 2-2 we come with the momentumn in second half, instead we chase the game and they score 2 goals on counter attacks.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 27, 2010, 05:06:02 PM
cheers ref.

Johnson, Terry and Barry need to take a long hard look at themselves too.

Sure was the refs faullt. 

And you forgot Rooney, who was invisilble for 4 matches. 

lol yeah ok they stil played shite 2nd half.

But if that goes in, it couldve changed the game and we go on to win....guess we'll never no though.

Yeah Rooney was shite obv, going to be so annoying when he just starts playing incred for Scum against next season.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 05:12:54 PM
When did Barry become this amazing ball playing midfielder? He was always a decent left back, far far out his depth. Offered little to no protection to the defence and definitely no more than Gerrard/Lampard combo would have and his passing is soooo bad, just gives the ball away.

Oh and I hope Alan Smith breaks Rooneys legs in the first game of the season.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 27, 2010, 05:13:39 PM
WP Germany, they were brilliant.

Ozil and Muller are great talents and Podolski and Schweinstiger so good.

I think they can beat the Argentines/Mexicans. Not sure about the semis.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 27, 2010, 05:14:54 PM
True, 2-2 it might have encouraged us a bit, and we'll never no how it would of affected us.

But going on before the disallowed goal and after, we're were being owned all over the pitch.  

Also, Awful, blaming the manager 1st and then saying he doesnt speak english good enough so therefore not getting his message over to the players.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 27, 2010, 05:15:21 PM
Chin Upson.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: celtic on June 27, 2010, 05:16:07 PM
Chin Upson.

lol


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
WP Germany, [ ] we were shit


Mate, all of their goals were awful. All of them could of been prevented, their first goals came from a goal kick that travelled to our own 6 yard box without a touch! Two goals on the counter attack when we were too scared to give away a yellow card on the half way line like all the good TEAMS would do in this comp. Their defence is dodgy and their keeper is a walking disaster imo.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 27, 2010, 05:21:12 PM
WP Germany, [X] we were shit


Mate, all of their goals were awful. All of them could of been prevented, their first goals came from a goal kick that travelled to our own 6 yard box without a touch! Two goals on the counter attack when we were too scared to give away a yellow card on the half way line like all the good TEAMS would do in this comp. Their defence is dodgy and their keeper is a walking disaster imo.

fyp


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 05:23:49 PM
WP Germany, [X] we were shit


Mate, all of their goals were awful. All of them could of been prevented, their first goals came from a goal kick that travelled to our own 6 yard box without a touch! Two goals on the counter attack when we were too scared to give away a yellow card on the half way line like all the good TEAMS would do in this comp. Their defence is dodgy and their keeper is a walking disaster imo.

haha yeah sorry.
fyp


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: AndrewT on June 27, 2010, 05:27:36 PM
Fairly good performance from England today.

We only need 49 runs to win from 13 overs.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 27, 2010, 05:31:12 PM
Sick to my stomach by such an inept display. FIFA will have some serious questions to answer, but so will the players. Nobody turned up for England the whole tournament. Rooney has been just horrible throughout.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 27, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
"Should the manager go?"

Yes only because he's to good for England..


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 05:37:24 PM
"Should the manager go?"

Yes only because he's to good for England..

lol gtfo

he started upson ahead of kind
he brought milner off for joe cole when we needed crosses
he brought heskey on when we needed 3 goals
he brought on swp in every game even thought he was awful
he left johnson/walcott at home, 2 match winner that would of been perfect to bring on in games like today
he left crouch on the bench when he could of impacted the game
he chose robert green as the first choice keeper
he played our best player out of position
he played barry who was fucking awful and is no where near world class
he persisted with rooney and didnt have the bollocks to bring him off


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 27, 2010, 05:39:47 PM
"Should the manager go?"

Yes only because he's to good for England..

lol gtfo

he started upson ahead of kind
he brought milner off for joe cole when we needed crosses
he brought heskey on when we needed 3 goals
he brought on swp in every game even thought he was awful
he left johnson/walcott at home, 2 match winner that would of been perfect to bring on in games like today
he left crouch on the bench when he could of impacted the game
he chose robert green as the first choice keeper
he played our best player out of position
he played barry who was fucking awful and is no where near world class
he persisted with rooney and didnt have the bollocks to bring him off


Bring back Steve Mcclaren imo.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2010, 05:42:39 PM
"Should the manager go?"

Yes only because he's to good for England..

lol gtfo

he started upson ahead of kind
he brought milner off for joe cole when we needed crosses
he brought heskey on when we needed 3 goals
he brought on swp in every game even thought he was awful
he left johnson/walcott at home, 2 match winner that would of been perfect to bring on in games like today
he left crouch on the bench when he could of impacted the game
he chose robert green as the first choice keeper
he played our best player out of position
he played barry who was fucking awful and is no where near world class
he persisted with rooney and didnt have the bollocks to bring him off


Bring back Steve Mcclaren imo.

Beg Mourinho imo.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: EvilPie on June 27, 2010, 05:53:46 PM
"Should the manager go?"

Yes only because he's to good for England..

lol gtfo

he started upson ahead of kind
he brought milner off for joe cole when we needed crosses
he brought heskey on when we needed 3 goals
he brought on swp in every game even thought he was awful
he left johnson/walcott at home, 2 match winner that would of been perfect to bring on in games like today
he left crouch on the bench when he could of impacted the game
he chose robert green as the first choice keeper
he played our best player out of position
he played barry who was fucking awful and is no where near world class
he persisted with rooney and didnt have the bollocks to bring him off


Bring back Steve Mcclaren imo.

Beg Mourinho imo.

If they get Mourinho even I'll start to follow England.

Would be the best thing ever.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: nirvana on June 27, 2010, 06:03:30 PM
Its so lol that we talk about people like Rooney and Gerrard as world class over here.

It's not just that people like Messi & Ronaldo are playing at a wholly different level that makes comparisons ridic, but most teams have at least 2, much more influential players than Englands 'finest' - crap, utterly, they are.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 27, 2010, 07:12:37 PM
Substituting Defoe for Heskey when you need goals?

That's like switching off the porn when you fancy a wank


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 27, 2010, 07:20:46 PM
pretty sure if that goal was allowed you would have won the whole world cup

nvmnd


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 27, 2010, 07:21:36 PM
/thread


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 27, 2010, 07:24:08 PM
Germany 4 - 1 England

You were only disallowed one goal, but by all means please complain about this for the next 4 years as an injustice 


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 27, 2010, 07:30:13 PM
Look on the bright side.....


At least Antiques Road show wasn't cancelled by the game going into extra-time. 


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 27, 2010, 07:32:16 PM
Think Horneris got this right. Well played Germany. The whole world knew that Ozil was the danger and we didn't deal with him. Midfielders didn't drop off to mark him and he pulled the centre backs out of position time and time again.
Goal being disallowed obviously makes a difference but would hate to think what a team like Spain would have done against us.
Germany V Argentina looks quite a good game. Both good going forward but look like you can get at them at the back.
Upson was pathetic and so was Barry.
Hope Capello walks.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 27, 2010, 07:34:56 PM
Germany 4 - 1 England

You were only disallowed one goal, but by all means please complain about this for the next 4 years as an injustice 


Meh, they outplayed us for sure. However a 2-2 scoreline could have changed the momentum of the game totally, I guess we'll never know for sure :'(


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 27, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
/thread

not quite

change of thread ownership is all


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 27, 2010, 07:37:45 PM
Germany 4 - 1 England

You were only disallowed one goal, but by all means please complain about this for the next 4 years as an injustice 


If there was goal line technology England would of won the World cup...



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 27, 2010, 07:38:06 PM
/thread

not quite

change of thread ownership is all

cant beleive Dewi started something a thread that we all knew deep down would end in tears..


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 27, 2010, 07:39:09 PM
Germany 4 - 1 England

You were only disallowed one goal, but by all means please complain about this for the next 44 years as an injustice 


fyp


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 27, 2010, 08:01:58 PM
Anyone else think lumping 7 players into the box for a free kick when we know Lampard is about to shoot is a bit daft when only 2-1 down with a full 30 mins to play?

And at 25 how good is Schweinsteiger?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Amatay on June 27, 2010, 10:08:34 PM
I know its only a game etc etc but i feel crushed today. bollocks


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: EvilPie on June 27, 2010, 10:09:46 PM
Anyone else think lumping 7 players into the box for a free kick when we know Lampard is about to shoot is a bit daft when only 2-1 down with a full 30 mins to play?

And at 25 how good is Schweinsteiger?

Not when you know he's going to miss.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Pawprint on June 27, 2010, 10:42:40 PM
The whole balance of the team was wrong.  Playing a system that means players are having to play out of position.  Gerard should never be playing on the left.  It does him and the team no good at all.  Rooney's played upfront on his own for most of the season.  Milner's played central midfield for Villa quite a bit.

Milner offered England width

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/players/player=207924/heatmap.html (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/players/player=207924/heatmap.html)

But Gerard spent too much time backing up Barry and Lampard

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/players/player=214961/heatmap,match=300061501.html (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/players/player=214961/heatmap,match=300061501.html)


Does anyone know how they track the players stats so quickly for these games ?   Is it a computer program, or do they have some sort of tracking system ?



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 27, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
gg england


out classed imo

Stil think capelo is a good manager he still has a good record
whereas england have a shit record in major comps
rooney was tez and alot of players were over hyped

england dont work well as a team


pretty sure arsenal can win against england




Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 27, 2010, 11:01:46 PM
We struggled today and thought we shouldn't have got ourselves in the situation we did. But cometh the hour




(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3472/48188854swann466i.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/48188854swann466i.jpg/)



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 27, 2010, 11:08:02 PM
We struggled today and thought we shouldn't have got ourselves in the situation we did. But cometh the hour




(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3472/48188854swann466i.jpg) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/48188854swann466i.jpg/)



+1


england should get find some young brazilian players ship them over and change their nationality to english after 5 years + give  them abit of money

jobs a good one

germany have 8 half german players

england cricket team has some half english palyers in it also







Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 27, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
If you're buying players now, we'd have sold you Darren Mackie for a couple of bob.

Would have done at least as good as Rooney


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Maxriddles on June 27, 2010, 11:11:43 PM
Substituting Defoe for Heskey when you need goals?

That's like switching off the porn when you fancy a wank

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Maxriddles on June 27, 2010, 11:13:20 PM
"Should the manager go?"

Yes only because he's to good for England..

lol gtfo

he started upson ahead of kind
he brought milner off for joe cole when we needed crosses
he brought heskey on when we needed 3 goals
he brought on swp in every game even thought he was awful
he left johnson/walcott at home, 2 match winner that would of been perfect to bring on in games like today
he left crouch on the bench when he could of impacted the game
he chose robert green as the first choice keeper
he played our best player out of position
he played barry who was fucking awful and is no where near world class
he persisted with rooney and didnt have the bollocks to bring him off


Bring back Steve Mcclaren imo.

Beg Mourinho imo.

Take a leaf out the Argies' book, but instead of Diego put Gazza in charge.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: thetank on June 27, 2010, 11:34:34 PM
Even I'd support England if Gazza got himself cleaned up and in charge.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 27, 2010, 11:43:24 PM
pretty sure if that goal was allowed you would have won the whole world cup

nvmnd


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ACE2M on June 27, 2010, 11:46:44 PM
fabio has to go surely? that was really woeful, i thought the one position we didn't have to worry about was centre halves.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 28, 2010, 12:07:09 AM
fabio has to go surely? that was really woeful, i thought the one position we didn't have to worry about was centre halves.

i dont think the problem is with the manager
its the players

they think they know better than the manager


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 12:09:59 AM
pretty sure arsenal can win against england
[ ] Big claim


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: pleno1 on June 28, 2010, 12:25:10 AM
fabio has to go surely? that was really woeful, i thought the one position we didn't have to worry about was centre halves.

i dont think the problem is with the manager
its the players

they think they know better than the manager


have you seen what capello has done this world cup? absolute joke. im usually a optimist and think people who want to chop and change managers every 2 years are braindead, but he has seriously fucked up.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 28, 2010, 01:58:26 AM
Anyone who doesn't think the disallowed goal makes a difference is honestly fukn clueless,we played shit and we deserved to lose but WE WERE ROBBED football is a joke and a swear am done with it am sick of the cheating am fukn sick of these ridic decisions,once again England get fukd over in a major tournsment,fuk u FIFA fuk u football am done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: ChipRich on June 28, 2010, 02:46:48 AM
SHEARER, SHEARER, SHEARER!!

KEEGAN, KEEGAN, KEEGAN!!


 :dontask: :)up


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 28, 2010, 06:00:40 AM
fabio has to go surely? that was really woeful, i thought the one position we didn't have to worry about was centre halves.

i dont think the problem is with the manager
its the players

they think they know better than the manager


have you seen what capello has done this world cup? absolute joke. im usually a optimist and think people who want to chop and change managers every 2 years are braindead, but he has seriously fucked up.


the manager has a good record
england has a shit record
i think blaming the manager is the easy way out

pretty sure england can be good if they back the manager 100% and play with heart


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 28, 2010, 07:48:41 AM
The problem is now obv that this team won't be there at the next WC. who's going to take over from Gerrard, Lampard, Terry etc?

some serious rebuilding required IMO.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: jim taggart on June 28, 2010, 08:08:24 AM
choose between a top class international team and a top class domestic league



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 08:24:01 AM
The problem is now obv that this team won't be there at the next WC. who's going to take over from Gerrard, Lampard, Terry etc?

some serious rebuilding required IMO.
Plenty of players that i expect to improve in the next 4 years. I'm hopeful that we have a clear out and take a young squad to the Euros and give them some experience before 2010.

Hart/Foster

Johnson
Dawson/Cahill/Shawcross/Smalling
Jagielka
Baines/Gibbs

Lennon/Walcott
Milner/Wilshere/Cleverly
Rodwell/Cattermole/Delph
Johnson/Downing/Young

Rooney
Sturridge/Carroll/Agbonlahor/Moses


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 28, 2010, 08:29:38 AM
Agreed but will the press and supporters give the manager enough time to rebuild the squad?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Scottish Dave on June 28, 2010, 09:13:19 AM
Im only up to page 20 on this thread and already im pissing myself at it, Ironside you are my hero! Called it perfectly, and was challenged at every turn!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 28, 2010, 10:17:17 AM

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VIDEO TECHNOLOGY CONFIRMS ENGLAND ARE VERY BAD AT FOOTBALL    Print    E-mail
28-06-10

ENGLAND are heading home from the World Cup today after state-of-the-art video technology showed the ball crossing their goal line many, many times.

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The cameras clearly showed the ball crossing the line for the fourth time
As questions were raised over why the Uruguayan officials had spotted all four German goals, the specially positioned cameras around the Bloemfontein Stadium confirmed that England's 2010 squad will forever be remembered as the 'team that never was'.

The use of television has been a source of controversy in the sport, but experts insist it offers a fool-proof method for determining whether a team is good at football or whether it is simply a collection of absurdly over-compensated, second-rate commercial brands with ghastly, vulgar wives, locked in a sado-masochistic relationship with a cretinous media that merely reflects a society that has taken its natural intelligence, its sense of perspective and its values and violently drowned them all in a bucket of piss.

Professor Henry Brubaker of the Institute for Studies said: "The technology is very complex and involves cathode tubes, a large glass screen and pretty much an entire roll of tinfoil.

"The operator sits in front of the screen and if he or she sees one set of players concede goal after goal after goal after goal, the video images then help them to decide whether or not those players are good at football."

Back home England fans vented their fury at the technology, as Paul the Psychic Octopus predicted Fabia Capello would soon be receiving a cheque for £12m and moving to a country where people can understand what he's saying.

Roy Hobbs, a flurry of opinions from Stevenage, said: "Alan Hansen kept going on about how it could have been 20 or even 25-nil and that if he had done that at Liverpool, Bob Paisley would have slashed him across the arse with a machete.

"But I think it could easily have been 70 or even 290-nil. Unless of course Lampard's goal had counted, in which case England would have won 14-2."

Nathan Muir, from Hatfield, added: "Not a good day. And after Sebastian Vettel beat Lewis Hamilton in the grand prix, I half expected to come home and find my missus having a dirty bath with the lead singer of Boney M."

Meanwhile, central defender John Terry finally arrived back in England's 18-yard box last night only to find that everyone else had gone home.

He eventually got out of the stadium after climbing over a fence.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 10:32:13 AM
fabio has to go surely? that was really woeful, i thought the one position we didn't have to worry about was centre halves.

i dont think the problem is with the manager
its the players

they think they know better than the manager


have you seen what capello has done this world cup? absolute joke. im usually a optimist and think people who want to chop and change managers every 2 years are braindead, but he has seriously fucked up.


the manager has a good record
england has a shit record
i think blaming the manager is the easy way out

pretty sure england can be good if they back the manager 100% and play with heart
Is this a level or not?
The Manager has a good record at club level. Won planty of league titles and a champions league. He has no record at international level.
The players have a pretty good record at club level. Most have won a major trophy and i think 4 have won the champions league. None have won anything at international level.
Are you blaming the players because as a nation we haven't won a trophy for 44 years? Strange logic.
The arguement for Capello completely collapses after he said we played well yesterday. If it was the players playing badly and not playing for him and he came out and said it then i'd be annoyed with them but he came out and said we played well. If he thinks that is playing well he needs to go.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TightEnd on June 28, 2010, 10:38:01 AM
the players are over-hyped

the Prem League has too much power versus the FA/National team. Contrast this to Joachim Low who has a lot of control over his players in the Bundesliga.

the players don't respect the manager

there were clearly culture problems and sulking problems (Rooney) behind the scenes

Capello is Stubborn. It was crying out for Gerrard behind Rooney and an extra midfielder to protect the back 4

Capello is stubborn. Heskey on when you need goals? SWP on when you need anything?

The system we play is outdated. Look at Brazil..2 holding midfielders who don't get into the final third ever. Spain too...they pick Busquets over Fabregas for example to get the team shape right. Neither team concedes many goals for starters and pass and move teams to death in the final third

Long term, our youth football doesn't encourage flair and talent. I see it, and this comes from FA edicts eg full size pitches at 12 and coaches who want to win, desperately, even with 11-12 year olds



A lot of faults here...the system, the players, the manager, the FA, the media

None likely to be transformed easily.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 28, 2010, 10:41:18 AM
the players are over-hyped

the Prem League has too much power versus the FA/National team. Contrast this to Joachim Low who has a lot of control over his players in the Bundesliga.

the players don't respect the manager

there were clearly culture problems and sulking problems (Rooney) behind the scenes

Capello is Stubborn. It was crying out for Gerrard behind Rooney and an extra midfielder to protect the back 4

Capello is stubborn. Heskey on when you need goals? SWP on when you need anything?

The system we play is outdated. Look at Brazil..2 holding midfielders who don't get into the final third ever. Spain too...they pick Busquets over Fabregas for example to get the team shape right. Neither team concedes many goals for starters and pass and move teams to death in the final third

Long term, our youth football doesn't encourage flair and talent. I see it, and this comes from FA edicts eg full size pitches at 12 and coaches who want to win, desperately, even with 11-12 year olds



A lot of faults here...the system, the players, the manager, the FA, the media

None likely to be transformed easily.

This


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 28, 2010, 11:05:12 AM
the players are over-hyped

the Prem League has too much power versus the FA/National team. Contrast this to Joachim Low who has a lot of control over his players in the Bundesliga.

the players don't respect the manager

there were clearly culture problems and sulking problems (Rooney) behind the scenes

Capello is Stubborn. It was crying out for Gerrard behind Rooney and an extra midfielder to protect the back 4

Capello is stubborn. Heskey on when you need goals? SWP on when you need anything?

The system we play is outdated. Look at Brazil..2 holding midfielders who don't get into the final third ever. Spain too...they pick Busquets over Fabregas for example to get the team shape right. Neither team concedes many goals for starters and pass and move teams to death in the final third

Long term, our youth football doesn't encourage flair and talent. I see it, and this comes from FA edicts eg full size pitches at 12 and coaches who want to win, desperately, even with 11-12 year olds



A lot of faults here...the system, the players, the manager, the FA, the media

None likely to be transformed easily.

This

Yeah good post and I agree,I think the players got sick of Capello's way when having to put up with it for so long.It baffled me that he would bring on Heskey when we needed a goal;made no sense.Ultimately though I blame the players for why we where terrible,the manager maybe got tactics wrong but he put a good enough side out to do a lot better than they did.SIGH,only four years unti the next one.I sure won't be anti-railing Scotland [  ] gl.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: roscopiko on June 28, 2010, 11:11:28 AM

A lot of faults here...the system, the players, the manager, the FA, the media

None likely to be transformed ever.

FYP


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 28, 2010, 12:15:15 PM


Yeah good post and I agree,I think the players got sick of Capello's way when having to put up with it for so long.It baffled me that he would bring on Heskey when we needed a goal;made no sense.

I'm sure he had 12 million good reasons to bring Heskey on.


Seriously, offering someone a new contract a few weeks before a WC and agreeing to a massive golden handshake in case he fecks up just because "He will be MUCH more expensive when he wins the worldcup" is just laughable and someone in the FA should surely get the sack for it.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Matt50 on June 28, 2010, 01:17:29 PM


Long term, our youth football doesn't encourage flair and talent. I see it, and this comes from FA edicts eg full size pitches at 12 and coaches who want to win, desperately, even with 11-12 year olds



A lot of faults here...the system, the players, the manager, the FA, the media

None likely to be transformed easily.


This this this this this!!!!

I coach a boys team at this age, and yes I want them to win, but I would rather they lost playing decent passing football than winning by playing ‘hoof ball’.

Unfortunately a lot of parents don’t agree with this and neither do a lot of other coaches/managers.

We won a 6-a-side tournament at the weekend, but we won it the right way, playing football.  I told my keeper before the game that every time he got the ball he had to throw it out and I basically banned him from kicking it from his hands.

It is a major deep rooted issue though and unfortunately shows no sign of changing.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 01:52:14 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 28, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 28, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

You are too focused on winning at a lower level and therefore your players don't grow in the same way that players from abroad do. You can win a U-17 tourney, but if you do it with short shighted long haul footie those players won't cut it against national sides when they play full internationals.

The whole "we need more english players in the EPL" thing has been done to death and there is no reason to assume it would improve things.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.


But the average age of our squad is 4 years older than theirs. We had 1 player from last years U21 squad in our 11 and they had 4.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 28, 2010, 02:19:57 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

I agree with this sentiment and so does sir alex(after brazil beat you guys)- "Ferguson said: ‘I can’t see past Brazil, actually. They are going to be the ones in South Africa. They are going to be hard to beat. You just have to think of the players they can bring in - they are a supplier of great players.

‘Last season, there were 103 Brazilians in the Champions League and only 15 Englishmen. More Scots played in the Champions League last season than English
players. I thought the 11/10 on Brazil to beat England was the bet of the century.




Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 02:20:53 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

You are too focused on winning at a lower level and therefore your players don't grow in the same way that players from abroad do. You can win a U-17 tourney, but if you do it with short shighted long haul footie those players won't cut it against national sides when they play full internationals.

The whole "we need more english players in the EPL" thing has been done to death and there is no reason to assume it would improve things.
But if we have the best team at U17 level and they are given more of an opportunity to develop by playing top level games then they are surely more likely to improve. The dutch, spanish, brazilians etc don't suddenly get skilful at 17.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 28, 2010, 02:22:18 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.



Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.



Really? Only if you class the EPL as No 1, I see it as 2nd equal with the Germans & the Italians.

Germany's squad had 10 players who made the last 16 in the Champions League last season, 7 whose team lost in the final. They'd 8 who made the last 16 in the Europa League, 4 made it to the semi-final.

England's squad had 6 who made the last 16 in the CL - 2 were in the Quarter-final, they'd 3 that made the last 16 of the EL, making it to the semi-final. (Note Arsenal, QT CL & Fulham EL Finalists, had no players in the England squad).

I reckon the top level experience was weighted in favour of Germany.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 02:27:43 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.

But these players never go on to get games at the top level either. Excuse the ignorance as i don't know which players were in that squad but i imagine most play in Scotland and they must get a handful of games each season where they play a decent level of opposition.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 28, 2010, 02:36:14 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.



Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.



Really? Only if you class the EPL as No 1, I see it as 2nd equal with the Germans & the Italians.

Germany's squad had 10 players who made the last 16 in the Champions League last season, 7 whose team lost in the final. They'd 8 who made the last 16 in the Europa League, 4 made it to the semi-final.

England's squad had 6 who made the last 16 in the CL - 2 were in the Quarter-final, they'd 3 that made the last 16 of the EL, making it to the semi-final. (Note Arsenal, QT CL & Fulham EL Finalists, had no players in the England squad).

I reckon the top level experience was weighted in favour of Germany.

Talk about just using last season as an example, to bend the facts towards your arguement.

Playing top flight football in England for one is far better than in Germany. http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2010.html (uefa coefficient for you), Germany clearly a weaker league than England or Spain.

Also by the same arguement over the last 5 years, English teams have clearly progressed further in Europe on a regular basis.







Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 28, 2010, 02:41:33 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.

But these players never go on to get games at the top level either. Excuse the ignorance as i don't know which players were in that squad but i imagine most play in Scotland and they must get a handful of games each season where they play a decent level of opposition.

[/end thread]

There's England's biggest failings right there - ignorance and arrogance.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: EvilPie on June 28, 2010, 02:42:00 PM

I agree with this sentiment and so does sir alex(after brazil beat you guys)- "Ferguson said: ‘I can’t see past Brazil, actually. They are going to be the ones in South Africa. They are going to be hard to beat. You just have to think of the players they can bring in - they are a supplier of great players.

Last season, there were 103 Brazilians in the Champions League and only 15 Englishmen. More Scots played in the Champions League last season than English
players. I thought the 11/10 on Brazil to beat England was the bet of the century.


Wow. That's a scary stat and makes things a lot more understandable.

So Brazil can fill every single position on the field with a player who plays there every week and in most cases have a few to choose from.

England can barely scrape half a squad.

I never realised it was quite so bad. Needs some serious looking in to if England want to be a realistic contender.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 28, 2010, 02:47:10 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.



Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.



Really? Only if you class the EPL as No 1, I see it as 2nd equal with the Germans & the Italians.

Germany's squad had 10 players who made the last 16 in the Champions League last season, 7 whose team lost in the final. They'd 8 who made the last 16 in the Europa League, 4 made it to the semi-final.

England's squad had 6 who made the last 16 in the CL - 2 were in the Quarter-final, they'd 3 that made the last 16 of the EL, making it to the semi-final. (Note Arsenal, QT CL & Fulham EL Finalists, had no players in the England squad).

I reckon the top level experience was weighted in favour of Germany.

Talk about just using last season as an example, to bend the facts towards your arguement.

Playing top flight football in England for one is far better than in Germany. http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2010.html (uefa coefficient for you), Germany clearly a weaker league than England or Spain.

Also by the same arguement over the last 5 years, English teams have clearly progressed further in Europe on a regular basis.







Like using the last 5 years where your average age was 30 & theirs was 25 is a fair assessment? The german league after a severe slump caused by the collapse of a TV deal is on its way up. I'm not getting into a statto argument - just there's plenty of top class competitive experience in their team .


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: mondatoo on June 28, 2010, 02:50:43 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.



Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.



Really? Only if you class the EPL as No 1, I see it as 2nd equal with the Germans & the Italians.

Germany's squad had 10 players who made the last 16 in the Champions League last season, 7 whose team lost in the final. They'd 8 who made the last 16 in the Europa League, 4 made it to the semi-final.

England's squad had 6 who made the last 16 in the CL - 2 were in the Quarter-final, they'd 3 that made the last 16 of the EL, making it to the semi-final. (Note Arsenal, QT CL & Fulham EL Finalists, had no players in the England squad).

I reckon the top level experience was weighted in favour of Germany.

Talk about just using last season as an example, to bend the facts towards your arguement.

Playing top flight football in England for one is far better than in Germany. http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2010.html (uefa coefficient for you), Germany clearly a weaker league than England or Spain.

Also by the same arguement over the last 5 years, English teams have clearly progressed further in Europe on a regular basis.







Like using the last 5 years where your average age was 30 & theirs was 25 is a fair assessment? The german league after a severe slump caused by the collapse of a TV deal is on its way up. I'm not getting into a statto argument - just there's plenty of top class competitive experience in their team .

Yeah, you should've gone back 10 years since the discussion is who has the most experience.We will win the next one,ldo.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 28, 2010, 02:55:15 PM

Yeah, you should've gone back 10 years since the discussion is who has the most experience.We will win the next one,ldo.

If you play the Charlton brothers you've got it on experience anyway ;)

I really thought/worried that you were a danger this year - but the press hamstring the management, the players play along with them & then things go tits up.

Capello made some terrible decisions though - Heskey instead of Bent - SWP instead of Walcott etc, but the pressure's put on that the top paid in the tops sides should get a game regardless of what they play like as a team. If Gerard & Lampard don't play well together - DROP ONE OF THEM. I thought Capello had the strength to do it.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.

But these players never go on to get games at the top level either. Excuse the ignorance as i don't know which players were in that squad but i imagine most play in Scotland and they must get a handful of games each season where they play a decent level of opposition.

[/end thread]

There's England's biggest failings right there - ignorance and arrogance.
Don't get protective over your league. I'm not having a dig at Scotland.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scots-absent-but--ten.6334125.jp (http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scots-absent-but--ten.6334125.jp)
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article489074.ece/English-Premier-League-rules-the-World-Cup (http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article489074.ece/English-Premier-League-rules-the-World-Cup)

119 Premier League players went to the World Cup (96 if you want to ignore England players)  compared to 10 from the SPL. That seems to suggest that playing Premier League games is going to make you more likely to go to a World Cup than if you play in SPL games.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 28, 2010, 02:59:48 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.

But these players never go on to get games at the top level either. Excuse the ignorance as i don't know which players were in that squad but i imagine most play in Scotland and they must get a handful of games each season where they play a decent level of opposition.

[/end thread]

There's England's biggest failings right there - ignorance and arrogance.
Don't get protective over your league. I'm not having a dig at Scotland.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scots-absent-but--ten.6334125.jp (http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scots-absent-but--ten.6334125.jp)
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article489074.ece/English-Premier-League-rules-the-World-Cup (http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article489074.ece/English-Premier-League-rules-the-World-Cup)

119 Premier League players went to the World Cup (96 if you want to ignore England players)  compared to 10 from the SPL. That seems to suggest that playing Premier League games is going to make you more likely to go to a World Cup than if you play in SPL games.

No - but writing off leagues as has been done for the Bundesliga and SPL already doesn't help establish realism about the true abilities & strength in depth of the England squad.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: lazaroonie on June 28, 2010, 03:12:42 PM
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Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Longy on June 28, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
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Hmmm a poor 3/10 on the Scot trolling scale (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48570.msg1199338#msg1199338)

However I am giving Rod 6/10 on the same scale, crucial slip ups like saying the Bundesliga was as good as the English top flight and then whining about no one rating it brought the mark down.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 28, 2010, 03:23:00 PM


Hmmm a poor 3/10 on the Scot trolling scale (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48570.msg1199338#msg1199338)

However I am giving Rod 6/10 on the same scale, crucial slip ups like saying the Bundesliga was as good as the English top flight and then whining about no one rating it brought the mark down.

Believe it or not I wasn't trolling. I stayed off yesterday so as not to give in to the urge to rub it in. I still think your comment was another example of the English hubris we're accustomed to & which so often bites England in the arse. I'll leave you to argue amongst yourselves then.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 03:25:43 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.

But these players never go on to get games at the top level either. Excuse the ignorance as i don't know which players were in that squad but i imagine most play in Scotland and they must get a handful of games each season where they play a decent level of opposition.

[/end thread]

There's England's biggest failings right there - ignorance and arrogance.
Don't get protective over your league. I'm not having a dig at Scotland.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scots-absent-but--ten.6334125.jp (http://sport.scotsman.com/football/Scots-absent-but--ten.6334125.jp)
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article489074.ece/English-Premier-League-rules-the-World-Cup (http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article489074.ece/English-Premier-League-rules-the-World-Cup)

119 Premier League players went to the World Cup (96 if you want to ignore England players)  compared to 10 from the SPL. That seems to suggest that playing Premier League games is going to make you more likely to go to a World Cup than if you play in SPL games.

No - but writing off leagues as has been done for the Bundesliga and SPL already doesn't help establish realism about the true abilities & strength in depth of the England squad.
I never wrote off the Bundesliga. In fact it was me that suggested that the German players that impressed at the U21 tournament last year had gained more top level experience than their English counterparts.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: nirvana on June 28, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
When you consider the number of young English players actually holding down a place in top sides you'd have to say that our football is going backwards at an alarming rate compared to so many other sides across the world.

Laying England to qualify for the next world cup is probably great value


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 28, 2010, 05:02:25 PM
But surely the only reason they don't hold down a place is because they're not good enough? Introducing a "5 home grown player" minimum would just weaken the EPL, no??

I can't remember where I read it (think it was some sort of colum on Yahoo) but they raised an interesting point. In Holland and Germany the WC is everything. The same for Brazil and Argentina. in England players are much more bothered about club footie, the EPL and Championsleague are more important to players here than the WC is to us.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: nirvana on June 28, 2010, 05:23:23 PM
Agree they can't get in these sides because they are not good enough. I guess it comes back to Tighty's point on the whole structure of English football and 'how' we play the game.

There has never been a significant demand from overseas clubs for our players - I guess it's cause our players, generally, aren't that good.

Also, to your point, if a semi-talented young English pro like Walcott can earn a couple of mill a year on the fringes of the Arsenal team, then shining on a world stage is not that important I guess.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 28, 2010, 05:34:08 PM
Agree they can't get in these sides because they are not good enough. I guess it comes back to Tighty's point on the whole structure of English football and 'how' we play the game.

There has never been a significant demand from overseas clubs for our players - I guess it's cause our players, generally, aren't that good.

Also, to your point, if a semi-talented young English pro like Walcott can earn a couple of mill a year on the fringes of the Arsenal team, then shining on a world stage is not that important I guess.

Nail and head.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 06:33:19 PM
No they aren't good enough but that is the point. A 20yr old English player has potential but a 28 year old Turkish player is better so the turk plays and the 20yr old never improves. If they were forced to play more English players then they may improve. Not saying it is a certainty but it might help. Premier League may go down a notch but plenty of room for foreign players that do improve the league so it shouldn't collapse.
The likes of Joe Hart, Gary Cahill, Glen Johnson, Stephen Warnock, Matthew Upson, Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe have all st some point taken what many consider to be a step down in their career to play regularly and all have become better players because of it.
Are there more out there like them? Is Sturridge the real deal and we're just not seeing him and he's not improving as he's used infrequently at Chelsea but maybe at the likes of Birmingham or Fulham he'd be playing and learning most weeks?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 06:38:56 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem?

This. I thought it was widely accepted that our current younger teams are some of the most exciting we've ever had?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

I agree with this sentiment and so does sir alex(after brazil beat you guys)- "Ferguson said: ‘I can’t see past Brazil, actually. They are going to be the ones in South Africa. They are going to be hard to beat. You just have to think of the players they can bring in - they are a supplier of great players.

‘Last season, there were 103 Brazilians in the Champions League and only 15 Englishmen. More Scots played in the Champions League last season than English
players. I thought the 11/10 on Brazil to beat England was the bet of the century.




Was about to run off and find that quote.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 06:44:29 PM
How come we got to the U21 European championship final last year and are U17 European Champions this year if it's a grass roots problem? I believe it may just be that English players don't get enough games at the top level. I'm not talking Champions League just Premier League.  I think a limit on non british players would be to our advantage but i think we say that after every tournament.

Scotland made the under 19's final in 2006, it didn't make much difference to the national side.



Our starting line up yesterday certainly had more experience than the Germans at playing top class club football.



Really? Only if you class the EPL as No 1, I see it as 2nd equal with the Germans & the Italians.

Germany's squad had 10 players who made the last 16 in the Champions League last season, 7 whose team lost in the final. They'd 8 who made the last 16 in the Europa League, 4 made it to the semi-final.

England's squad had 6 who made the last 16 in the CL - 2 were in the Quarter-final, they'd 3 that made the last 16 of the EL, making it to the semi-final. (Note Arsenal, QT CL & Fulham EL Finalists, had no players in the England squad).

I reckon the top level experience was weighted in favour of Germany.

That's mroe of a form thing though Rod. Over the last 6 seasons of top level football the England squad would win hands down. And prior to 2009 neither the Italian league orGerman league was close to the EPL as the top league.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 06:49:21 PM

Yeah, you should've gone back 10 years since the discussion is who has the most experience.We will win the next one,ldo.

If you play the Charlton brothers you've got it on experience anyway ;)

I really thought/worried that you were a danger this year - but the press hamstring the management, the players play along with them & then things go tits up.

Capello made some terrible decisions though - Heskey instead of Bent - SWP instead of Walcott etc, but the pressure's put on that the top paid in the tops sides should get a game regardless of what they play like as a team. If Gerard & Lampard don't play well together - DROP ONE OF THEM. I thought Capello had the strength to do it.

This.

Italy had this issue with Del Piero and Totti and someone was always dropped. Spain do it with Fabregas. Brazil didn't even take Ronaldinho.

This brings us back to the point Fergie made though - we just don't have enough depth to choose from.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 06:54:02 PM
No they aren't good enough but that is the point. A 20yr old English player has potential but a 28 year old Turkish player is better so the turk plays and the 20yr old never improves. If they were forced to play more English players then they may improve. Not saying it is a certainty but it might help. Premier League may go down a notch but plenty of room for foreign players that do improve the league so it shouldn't collapse.
The likes of Joe Hart, Gary Cahill, Glen Johnson, Stephen Warnock, Matthew Upson, Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe have all st some point taken what many consider to be a step down in their career to play regularly and all have become better players because of it.
Are there more out there like them? Is Sturridge the real deal and we're just not seeing him and he's not improving as he's used infrequently at Chelsea but maybe at the likes of Birmingham or Fulham he'd be playing and learning most weeks?

Add to this the likes of Lampard, Carragher, Crouch, Henry, Shearer, Torres, none of whom made it as a really good player until they were between 23-26? I could name loads more if I could be bothered.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 28, 2010, 08:36:36 PM
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Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Woodsey on June 28, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
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Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: henrik777 on June 28, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
In the jungle, South African jungle
Three lions sleep tonight
Cos in the morning, the early morning
They have to catch a flight

A win no way, a win no way
A win no way, a win no way


Sandy


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 28, 2010, 08:54:46 PM
No they aren't good enough but that is the point. A 20yr old English player has potential but a 28 year old Turkish player is better so the turk plays and the 20yr old never improves. If they were forced to play more English players then they may improve. Not saying it is a certainty but it might help. Premier League may go down a notch but plenty of room for foreign players that do improve the league so it shouldn't collapse.
The likes of Joe Hart, Gary Cahill, Glen Johnson, Stephen Warnock, Matthew Upson, Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe have all st some point taken what many consider to be a step down in their career to play regularly and all have become better players because of it.
Are there more out there like them? Is Sturridge the real deal and we're just not seeing him and he's not improving as he's used infrequently at Chelsea but maybe at the likes of Birmingham or Fulham he'd be playing and learning most weeks?

Add to this the likes of Lampard, Carragher, Crouch, Henry, Shearer, Torres, none of whom made it as a really good player until they were between 23-26? I could name loads more if I could be bothered.

I'm not sure about the others but Lampard,Shearer and Torres should be nowhere near that list.

Lampard was a regular with West Ham from a very young age,18 or so and had a good goal record considering who he was playing for from midfield.

Shearer scored a top flight hat-trick at 18

And Torres had 2 full seasons and over 30 top flight goals as well as being Atletico captain by the time he was 19.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Murph1984 on June 28, 2010, 09:15:31 PM
Roy Keane raised a good point today on SSN.

Most of the England squad had at best average seasons,and most of those who had good seasons were either unlucky with injuries at the wrong time(King,Rooney,Barry,both Coles) or had not even ever been capped(Hart,Dawson)

Outides of both those group of names only Lampard and Milner really had what you could call good seasons.

So you're talking 2/23 players who had had a good season and were fully fit going to South Africa with any international experience,when you couple that with Capello's tactical ineptness it's no wonder it turned out like it did.

I'm not defending Capello,I think he royally f'd up in so many ways it's unreal during the tournament as well as backtracking on all of his principles in selecting the squad which he had said were that he would only pick players who were playing regularly,in form and fit but when push came to shove he ignored all three.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Hairydude on June 28, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
Sorry but pretty comedy to watch your commentators bumming up the officials....who on earth at itv is telling them to do this....right lads our team us out so let's get right behind whoever else is representing...the ref and his assistants!!! CRINGE


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Josedinho on June 28, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
Sorry but pretty comedy to watch your commentators bumming up the officials....who on earth at itv is telling them to do this....right lads our team us out so let's get right behind whoever else is representing...the ref and his assistants!!! CRINGE
Yeh this is pretty sad. Obv good for him but can't see me shouting - COME ON WEBB!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
Roy Keane raised a good point today on SSN.

Most of the England squad had at best average seasons,and most of those who had good seasons were either unlucky with injuries at the wrong time(King,Rooney,Barry,both Coles) or had not even ever been capped(Hart,Dawson)

Outides of both those group of names only Lampard and Milner really had what you could call good seasons.

So you're talking 2/23 players who had had a good season and were fully fit going to South Africa with any international experience,when you couple that with Capello's tactical ineptness it's no wonder it turned out like it did.

I'm not defending Capello,I think he royally f'd up in so many ways it's unreal during the tournament as well as backtracking on all of his principles in selecting the squad which he had said were that he would only pick players who were playing regularly,in form and fit but when push came to shove he ignored all three.

V true - this is one reason why I like Holland - good form at the right time


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: The Baron on June 28, 2010, 11:09:54 PM
No they aren't good enough but that is the point. A 20yr old English player has potential but a 28 year old Turkish player is better so the turk plays and the 20yr old never improves. If they were forced to play more English players then they may improve. Not saying it is a certainty but it might help. Premier League may go down a notch but plenty of room for foreign players that do improve the league so it shouldn't collapse.
The likes of Joe Hart, Gary Cahill, Glen Johnson, Stephen Warnock, Matthew Upson, Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe have all st some point taken what many consider to be a step down in their career to play regularly and all have become better players because of it.
Are there more out there like them? Is Sturridge the real deal and we're just not seeing him and he's not improving as he's used infrequently at Chelsea but maybe at the likes of Birmingham or Fulham he'd be playing and learning most weeks?

Add to this the likes of Lampard, Carragher, Crouch, Henry, Shearer, Torres, none of whom made it as a really good player until they were between 23-26? I could name loads more if I could be bothered.

I'm not sure about the others but Lampard,Shearer and Torres should be nowhere near that list.

Lampard was a regular with West Ham from a very young age,18 or so and had a good goal record considering who he was playing for from midfield.

Shearer scored a top flight hat-trick at 18

And Torres had 2 full seasons and over 30 top flight goals as well as being Atletico captain by the time he was 19.

West Ham fans bit your hand off for £11m for Lampard - it was the biggest in joke in football. It was 04/05 before Mourinho came and the rest of the country agreed that he was actually quite good?

I thought Shearer and Torres both had consistently average records prior to 23ish. (Even though there was obv talent)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: gatso on June 29, 2010, 11:44:08 AM

‘Last season, there were 103 Brazilians in the Champions League and only 15 Englishmen.


the strength in depth of the brazilians is incredible going way beyond their 23 man squad. I only watched one champions league team regularly last season but I could pick 5 brazilians (jadson, ilsinho, fernadinho, willian and costa) from the shakhtar squad who I would start ahead of any one of the england midfield plus adriano who I'd start ahead of any of our forwards except rooney and none of these players were anywhere near making the wc squad.

the difference in quality of player available to england and brazil is just vast


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 30, 2010, 09:43:04 AM
lol, how odd does Lennon look smoking a cigar...



Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: marcro on June 30, 2010, 10:28:33 AM
To help them regain some confidence after the disappointment of the World Cup, England have arranged a friendly against Iceland and if that goes well further games against Asda and Tesco are planned.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Rod Paradise on June 30, 2010, 02:03:43 PM
To help them regain some confidence after the disappointment of the World Cup, England have arranged a friendly against Iceland and if that goes well further games against Asda and Tesco are planned.

Colch Kev's got that on facebook - no fair getting the jokes up before the Scots get a chance :)

I did like this picture from Glasgow though:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/357hczl.jpg)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 30, 2010, 02:34:43 PM
Today's rumour:

Courts held a further 2 week gagging order on steve gerrards private life, turns out he got his wifes sister pregnant (not a 16 year old )

Will hit the newspaper in 14 days, the judge held the gagging order to protect FA while they decide on capello, and the future of English footy..

John terry and the england boys all know about it and JT had a argument with capello because gerrard got to keep the captains armband. the tension in the camp was down to JT and half the team saying gerrard was a disgrace and the other half of the squad backing gerrard..The press conference was related to the tension and JT wanted Gerrard exposed - they hate each other..


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Alverton on June 30, 2010, 02:40:25 PM
Today's rumour:

Courts held a further 2 week gagging order on steve gerrards private life, turns out he got his wifes sister pregnant (not a 16 year old )

Will hit the newspaper in 14 days, the judge held the gagging order to protect FA while they decide on capello, and the future of English footy..

John terry and the england boys all know about it and JT had a argument with capello because gerrard got to keep the captains armband. the tension in the camp was down to JT and half the team saying gerrard was a disgrace and the other half of the squad backing gerrard..The press conference was related to the tension and JT wanted Gerrard exposed - they hate each other..

Just out of interest where do you hear it from?


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 30, 2010, 02:47:37 PM
Today's rumour:

Courts held a further 2 week gagging order on steve gerrards private life, turns out he got his wifes sister pregnant (not a 16 year old )

Will hit the newspaper in 14 days, the judge held the gagging order to protect FA while they decide on capello, and the future of English footy..

John terry and the england boys all know about it and JT had a argument with capello because gerrard got to keep the captains armband. the tension in the camp was down to JT and half the team saying gerrard was a disgrace and the other half of the squad backing gerrard..The press conference was related to the tension and JT wanted Gerrard exposed - they hate each other..

Just out of interest where do you hear it from?


friend of a friend ;)


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on June 30, 2010, 02:58:40 PM
Today's rumour:

Courts held a further 2 week gagging order on steve gerrards private life, turns out he got his wifes sister pregnant (not a 16 year old )

Will hit the newspaper in 14 days, the judge held the gagging order to protect FA while they decide on capello, and the future of English footy..

John terry and the england boys all know about it and JT had a argument with capello because gerrard got to keep the captains armband. the tension in the camp was down to JT and half the team saying gerrard was a disgrace and the other half of the squad backing gerrard..The press conference was related to the tension and JT wanted Gerrard exposed - they hate each other..

Just out of interest where do you hear it from?


friend of a friend ;)

Good enough for me.

Stevie G. a violent ned, who cheats  on his wife and beats her as well

edit before Tighty goes in to a fit about libel issues :)


Alledgedly...I heard this from a mate down the pub, well..when I say "mate" I mean guy I say Hi to something....well, when I say "Guy I say hi to sometimes" I mean someone I saw in the pub once.

Oh, and technically I didn't actually hear him say it....but it suits me as a source of info for now...and, if that's good enough for TheSun or Daily Mirror, it's good enough for me.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 30, 2010, 03:31:15 PM
[ ]  Alex Curran has a sister.


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: Horneris on June 30, 2010, 03:32:18 PM
Sorry but pretty comedy to watch your commentators bumming up the officials....who on earth at itv is telling them to do this....right lads our team us out so let's get right behind whoever else is representing...the ref and his assistants!!! CRINGE
Yeh this is pretty sad. Obv good for him but can't see me shouting - COME ON WEBO!

WEBO WEBO!!!


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on June 30, 2010, 05:21:59 PM
A rumour from a friend of a friend gotta be gospel innit..


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: boldie on July 01, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
[ ]  Alex Curran has a sister.

Maybe she just doesn't know about it yet.

Picture the headlines in the Sport of the World "Stevie G shags up with Alex's long lost twin sister!"


Title: Re: Come on England
Post by: cia260895 on July 10, 2010, 09:38:06 AM
LOL at my world cup rubdown

just received my free england t shirt  :redcard: