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Title: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 03:45:29 PM
can i ask what your information sources are?  and why u had no involvement on the game which anyone who is anyone knew the sharps were going to back heavily S Korea v Greece and move the market substantially (nearly half a goal in asia which is huge in a game of this standard) yet your investment fund never got involved in the game which is most suitable for 'riskfree' pre match greening up.  I can only assume this is what i have always thought it was just a guessing game pre match of which way the market would go without any real knowledge of the market or whose money actually moves the market.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 15, 2010, 03:52:55 PM
can i ask what your information sources are?  and why u had no involvement on the game which anyone who is anyone knew the sharps were going to back heavily S Korea v Greece and move the market substantially (nearly half a goal in asia which is huge in a game of this standard) yet your investment fund never got involved in the game which is most suitable for 'riskfree' pre match greening up.  I can only assume this is what i have always thought it was just a guessing game pre match of which way the market would go without any real knowledge of the market or whose money actually moves the market.

I know nothing of arbitrage speak, is this guy rubbing Blatch down?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 15, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
can i ask what your information sources are?  and why u had no involvement on the game which anyone who is anyone knew the sharps were going to back heavily S Korea v Greece and move the market substantially (nearly half a goal in asia which is huge in a game of this standard) yet your investment fund never got involved in the game which is most suitable for 'riskfree' pre match greening up.  I can only assume this is what i have always thought it was just a guessing game pre match of which way the market would go without any real knowledge of the market or whose money actually moves the market.

Because the money was tied up in the England game later that day.

On Saturday I was out at Leicester races all day so took the option to do the England game instead of trying to do more than one.

As for the information sources - no you can't.  I dont believe you are involved in this, my apologies if you are, but Im not going to disclose what, or how, I use or receive information.

I must be pretty good at guessing :)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 15, 2010, 03:55:40 PM
can i ask what your information sources are?  and why u had no involvement on the game which anyone who is anyone knew the sharps were going to back heavily S Korea v Greece and move the market substantially (nearly half a goal in asia which is huge in a game of this standard) yet your investment fund never got involved in the game which is most suitable for 'riskfree' pre match greening up.  I can only assume this is what i have always thought it was just a guessing game pre match of which way the market would go without any real knowledge of the market or whose money actually moves the market.

Because the money was tied up in the England game later that day.

On Saturday I was out at Leicester races all day so took the option to do the England game instead of trying to do more than one.

As for the information sources - no you can't.  I dont believe you are involved in this, my apologies if you are, but Im not going to disclose what, or how, I use or receive information.

I must be pretty good at guessing :)

Ah right, so he basically points out where you went wrong, accuses you of guessing then asks for your secrets.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 15, 2010, 04:00:37 PM
can i ask what your information sources are?  and why u had no involvement on the game which anyone who is anyone knew the sharps were going to back heavily S Korea v Greece and move the market substantially (nearly half a goal in asia which is huge in a game of this standard) yet your investment fund never got involved in the game which is most suitable for 'riskfree' pre match greening up.  I can only assume this is what i have always thought it was just a guessing game pre match of which way the market would go without any real knowledge of the market or whose money actually moves the market.

Because the money was tied up in the England game later that day.

On Saturday I was out at Leicester races all day so took the option to do the England game instead of trying to do more than one.

As for the information sources - no you can't.  I dont believe you are involved in this, my apologies if you are, but Im not going to disclose what, or how, I use or receive information.

I must be pretty good at guessing :)

Ah right, so he basically points out where you went wrong, accuses you of guessing then asks for your secrets.

Pretty much but it goes a bit deeper than that.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 04:02:12 PM
so your 'information sources' would advise u to avoid the game which was going to be the biggest gamble of the first round and hence give u the biggest opportunity for 'riskfree' profit by a mile.   There wont be another game in this world cup which moves this much i 100% gtd that.    You only had to read the racing post world cup pull out and the shrewder firms in the list (4 of which all put up S Korea as their best bet of the 1st round - one of whom i know personally who knows people who move markets with their money)  Many were a bit worried that too many people had let the cat out of the bag but the shrewdies all still got on a gamble that went from 3.3 to 2.7 and obliged in style.

Virtually no one on this thread knows anything about football betting at the real sharp end and like i said before the fact you chose to get involved in an england game instead of the biggest gamble of the whole event just shows that your so called 'information sources' are nothing other than guess work.  What amazes me is the amount of people who have invested in this.  


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Horneris on June 15, 2010, 04:04:13 PM
Yeah we all lumped on South Korea.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 15, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
Yeah we all lumped on South Korea.

we certainly did. oioiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 15, 2010, 04:04:59 PM
Ah I get it, you must have sucked out on this guy at DTD or someink.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 15, 2010, 04:09:30 PM
Seriously though arbboy, what do you care? Surely if Blatch is missing out on something or making bad gambles, that is better for you no? I can only assume you have some sort of unrelated grievance with Blatch and you are choosing to try and make him look silly on a thread where he has made lots of people money. Being as you only have a dozen forum posts and the other ones you are trying to flog something, Im sticking with Blatch tx


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 15, 2010, 04:12:42 PM
so your 'information sources' would advise u to avoid the game which was going to be the biggest gamble of the first round and hence give u the biggest opportunity for 'riskfree' profit by a mile.   There wont be another game in this world cup which moves this much i 100% gtd that.    You only had to read the racing post world cup pull out and the shrewder firms in the list (4 of which all put up S Korea as their best bet of the 1st round - one of whom i know personally who knows people who move markets with their money)  Many were a bit worried that too many people had let the cat out of the bag but the shrewdies all still got on a gamble that went from 3.3 to 2.7 and obliged in style.

Virtually no one on this thread knows anything about football betting at the real sharp end and like i said before the fact you chose to get involved in an england game instead of the biggest gamble of the whole event just shows that your so called 'information sources' are nothing other than guess work.  What amazes me is the amount of people who have invested in this. 

Did he say he was advised to avoid this game, or that he was away from his computer, and therefore couldn't trade on it?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 04:19:30 PM
arbboy, you can make the same point in a less aggressive manner.

You obviously know stuff about football trading, prob more than all of us who have invested but try and say what you want in a non-confrontational manner imo.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
To be fair he does have a point- investing funds into the England game meaning that they are tied up for the Korea game was a mistake- Korea were 6-4 in places with the bookies early on but 2-1 and higher in others, so the market clearly hadnt settled and I had them as a certain market mover, where as the England game was harder to call in terms of trading due to a few factors. Plus the upside to a Korea market move was far more substantial than an England market move/drift. Englands price couldnt move 20 spots ever, whilst the Koreans definitely could.

Even the best make mistakes Blatch :)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 15, 2010, 04:31:39 PM
so your 'information sources' would advise u to avoid the game which was going to be the biggest gamble of the first round and hence give u the biggest opportunity for 'riskfree' profit by a mile.   There wont be another game in this world cup which moves this much i 100% gtd that.    You only had to read the racing post world cup pull out and the shrewder firms in the list (4 of which all put up S Korea as their best bet of the 1st round - one of whom i know personally who knows people who move markets with their money)  Many were a bit worried that too many people had let the cat out of the bag but the shrewdies all still got on a gamble that went from 3.3 to 2.7 and obliged in style.

Virtually no one on this thread knows anything about football betting at the real sharp end and like i said before the fact you chose to get involved in an england game instead of the biggest gamble of the whole event just shows that your so called 'information sources' are nothing other than guess work.  What amazes me is the amount of people who have invested in this.  

If you were lucky (or had the balls) to invest in the start you might have an idea of the ROI on this so far.........

Blatch u are my hero......


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 04:32:30 PM
Arbboy trades full time btw. So im sure he is fine with not investing.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ripple11 on June 15, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
Also to be fair to Blatch he obviously has other things going on .....the races, Vegas, poker etc ;D

....he ain't going to do every match, and as long as he's showing a steady profit , I recon 99% of us backers are going to be well happy.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 15, 2010, 04:37:54 PM

Ah I see.... Maybe he can share some of his of knowledge on here..... ;marks;


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 04:39:58 PM
Reason I asked Blakey was cos pops was asking me why he hadn't made a profit since he invested in Feb (is it now a loss?) despite me chirping about winning every week before then.

Sigh.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 15, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
Hi Blatch,

I was discusing this with a friend the other day who said he might be interested in investing a significant figure, he asked to me to ask if you a couple of questions. Sorry if these have been answered before but i have only recently started reading the thread.

Do you provide weekly or monthly screen shots of the profit/loss page ?

Do you trade during the games or just before ?

Cheers

Dean


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Chompy on June 15, 2010, 04:43:34 PM
Is it Chris Eddleman?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 15, 2010, 04:45:38 PM
i said someone with money


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 15, 2010, 05:01:09 PM
To be fair he does have a point- investing funds into the England game meaning that they are tied up for the Korea game was a mistake- Korea were 6-4 in places with the bookies early on but 2-1 and higher in others, so the market clearly hadnt settled and I had them as a certain market mover, where as the England game was harder to call in terms of trading due to a few factors. Plus the upside to a Korea market move was far more substantial than an England market move/drift. Englands price couldnt move 20 spots ever, whilst the Koreans definitely could.

Even the best make mistakes Blatch :)

You may well be right Dave. 

The reason I didnt do the Greece game isnt because of any gambling or betting factors its simply because of my whereabouts on the day.  I didnt want to be out for a mates birthday and having to worry about trading out of poisitions etc.  Leicester races had arranged the day so that the England game would be shown on a big screen at the racecourse after the racing had finished.  Therefore I knew this would give me enough time to trade out of the England game without any hassle.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
The reason i am getting involved is because 3 or 4 poker players have asked me whether they should invest in this 'scheme' 2 of whom were going to invest substantial 4 figure sums and are good friends. They all respect my knowledge of sports betting given my success in the field.  I have no needle with anyone here but i am giving a balanced opinion from someone who has worked at the sharp end of this game for 10 years on both sides of the fence as a trading director/senior trader for firms and for myself in the markets.   I have a personal bf account which is miles into 2% and i have never been staked in my life preferring to do it the 'proper way' through hard work and solid bankroll management from a 4 figure starting bank at the start.

I have watched this thread for a while now after the poker players above asked for my advice some months ago and just dont see how the investment manager has any edge doing what he does.  

For a start i would be happy to lay a big price he hasnt got a 2% bf account to start with which automaticaly reduces the bottom line profit straight away quite substantially over a season or in a reverse angle of thinking means he has to be more successful than a 2% punter to return the same level of return to them.  Given he needs staking for this operation it would virtually impossible for his account to be anywhere 2% given the volume needed to be a 2% punter on bf and secondly given he is not a position taker on this operation i am assuming he is a 'green up' merchant on other betfair biz therefore making his commission level higher because of the way the bf commission structure rewarding position takers which he isnt.

Secondly does the investment manager actually know anyone who's money actually move these markets?    I would be pretty confident in outside of Tony Bloom he couldnt name 5 people who make their living in the uk from betting soccer and are responsible for the market moves due to their success/skill in pricing games up. I am assuming he doesnt have the necessary skill they have to confidently price up games to the accuracy levels they do therefore he has to rely on other 'edges' to make a profit.  I can only assume from his non involvement in the biggest gamble of the world cup by a mile preferring to focus on a rock solid eng v USA match which was never going to move at all that he does know no one ine the game who moves these markets otherwise he would have been all over the korea game like a ash.  just do the maths on his total bank going on that game at 3.3 and greening up around 2.7 and then work out how much profit was lost.  even if u assume 3.2 and 2.8 to avoid the extremes its still massively substantial.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 15, 2010, 05:21:29 PM
The reason i am getting involved is because 3 or 4 poker players have asked me whether they should invest in this 'scheme' 2 of whom were going to invest substantial 4 figure sums and are good friends. They all respect my knowledge of sports betting given my success in the field.  I have no needle with anyone here but i am giving a balanced opinion from someone who has worked at the sharp end of this game for 10 years on both sides of the fence as a trading director/senior trader for firms and for myself in the markets.   I have a personal bf account which is miles into 2% and i have never been staked in my life preferring to do it the 'proper way' through hard work and solid bankroll management from a 4 figure starting bank at the start.

I have watched this thread for a while now after the poker players above asked for my advice some months ago and just dont see how the investment manager has any edge doing what he does.  

For a start i would be happy to lay a big price he hasnt got a 2% bf account to start with which automaticaly reduces the bottom line profit straight away quite substantially over a season or in a reverse angle of thinking means he has to be more successful than a 2% punter to return the same level of return to them.  Given he needs staking for this operation it would virtually impossible for his account to be anywhere 2% given the volume needed to be a 2% punter on bf and secondly given he is not a position taker on this operation i am assuming he is a 'green up' merchant on other betfair biz therefore making his commission level higher because of the way the bf commission structure rewarding position takers which he isnt.

Secondly does the investment manager actually know anyone who's money actually move these markets?    I would be pretty confident in outside of Tony Bloom he couldnt name 5 people who make their living in the uk from betting soccer and are responsible for the market moves due to their success/skill in pricing games up. I am assuming he doesnt have the necessary skill they have to confidently price up games to the accuracy levels they do therefore he has to rely on other 'edges' to make a profit.  I can only assume from his non involvement in the biggest gamble of the world cup by a mile preferring to focus on a rock solid eng v USA match which was never going to move at all that he does know no one ine the game who moves these markets otherwise he would have been all over the korea game like a ash.  just do the maths on his total bank going on that game at 3.3 and greening up around 2.7 and then work out how much profit was lost.  even if u assume 3.2 and 2.8 to avoid the extremes its still massively substantial.



[  ] riiggghhhttttt i get it


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 05:26:27 PM
thread just got goooooooood!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 15, 2010, 05:27:28 PM
thread just got goooooooood!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 15, 2010, 05:29:44 PM
The reason i am getting involved is because 3 or 4 poker players have asked me whether they should invest in this 'scheme' 2 of whom were going to invest substantial 4 figure sums and are good friends. They all respect my knowledge of sports betting given my success in the field.  I have no needle with anyone here but i am giving a balanced opinion from someone who has worked at the sharp end of this game for 10 years on both sides of the fence as a trading director/senior trader for firms and for myself in the markets.   I have a personal bf account which is miles into 2% and i have never been staked in my life preferring to do it the 'proper way' through hard work and solid bankroll management from a 4 figure starting bank at the start.

I have watched this thread for a while now after the poker players above asked for my advice some months ago and just dont see how the investment manager has any edge doing what he does.  

For a start i would be happy to lay a big price he hasnt got a 2% bf account to start with which automaticaly reduces the bottom line profit straight away quite substantially over a season or in a reverse angle of thinking means he has to be more successful than a 2% punter to return the same level of return to them.  Given he needs staking for this operation it would virtually impossible for his account to be anywhere 2% given the volume needed to be a 2% punter on bf and secondly given he is not a position taker on this operation i am assuming he is a 'green up' merchant on other betfair biz therefore making his commission level higher because of the way the bf commission structure rewarding position takers which he isnt.

Secondly does the investment manager actually know anyone who's money actually move these markets?    I would be pretty confident in outside of Tony Bloom he couldnt name 5 people who make their living in the uk from betting soccer and are responsible for the market moves due to their success/skill in pricing games up. I am assuming he doesnt have the necessary skill they have to confidently price up games to the accuracy levels they do therefore he has to rely on other 'edges' to make a profit.  I can only assume from his non involvement in the biggest gamble of the world cup by a mile preferring to focus on a rock solid eng v USA match which was never going to move at all that he does know no one ine the game who moves these markets otherwise he would have been all over the korea game like a ash.  just do the maths on his total bank going on that game at 3.3 and greening up around 2.7 and then work out how much profit was lost.  even if u assume 3.2 and 2.8 to avoid the extremes its still massively substantial.



There is still no reason at all for you to be getting involved.  You say you have 3 or 4 poker players that want to get involved ...... fine - tell them its no good and be done, but there  is no need to come on here and abuse what I have been doing.

The fact that you say you have 3 or 4 poker players wanting to invest "substantial" 4 figures I wanted to lol a bit.  I already have numerous poker players involved, some currently the best in the country and they have 5 figure sums involved, so they obviously feel comfortable in doing this.

I also have never, ever claimed to have a 2% comission rate.  Infact I think on atleast 8 different occasions I have stated via pm exactly what the current comission level is.  I have also stated, if you had bothered to read the thread that this is a new account and therefore it would start of 5% commision.  I have also stated numerous times the reasons why I was doing this and why it is in a different account to my main betfair account.

Yes I know a few people who moves the markets but why do I have to know them to know which way the markets will go?

All in all, your not welcome on this thread and generally after your episode on selling the WSOP package I havent actually seen how you have contributed to this forum as a whole.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chrisbruce on June 15, 2010, 05:33:08 PM
arbboy - this magic 2% bf account that you are so proud of?

If you are doing as well as you say, are you not also paying the 20% premium charge also?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 05:33:26 PM
every judge in the game was on this game hence the gamble.  If u dont believe me read the racing post pull out for the world cup and two of the best informed british based firms on sharp soccer action both put it up as their bet of the first round alongside 2 others.  When i invest money into something and i miss the biggest return of an event like he has done here i would want a better excuse than 'i went to leics races' or  'i did the england game instead' for missing out.  

The third factor is whether the guy can actually accurately price up football matches to 100%.  If u cant do this its very hard to know whether the current market price is right or wrong.  Given he has no experience of working in the industry i would have to assume this isnt the case.  

The fourth factor regarding this is why a guy in his 30s who is so skilled at beating the market needs staking for this (esp as he has had some decent live cashes in his career to kickstart any bankroll he may need) and seemingly every other venture he does (like playing a $5/$10 cash in vegas on another staking thread - how big a roll seriously do u need to play that if its as soft as he says it is).  I would seriously struggle to invest in someone running an investment pool who has been gambling for a long time and needs staking into such small things.  IT usually suggests they arent quite as successful as they think they are.  It might be something to do with the fact that the said investment manager likes to spin up between £500-£1000 on one spin of a roulette wheel (backing 28/29 7 section of the wheel with a bundle of £50s if i wasnt mistaken) which occured the night after the pokerstars event at dtd at alea casino in nottingham.  I was present to witness it and you suddenly realise why the guy probably hasnt got the roll to do this himself.   I dont know too many people who would be so keen to invest in people who manage money in this manner.  Maybe if he didnt spunk such cash on negative ev investments then maybe he would be able to roll himself properly for a $5/$10 cash game.

The whole staking thing really annoys me when people who get staked cant control their own bankroll.  They never stop to think that maybe if they didnt spunk money for fun they might be able to put away the begging bowl and do it themselves if they are good enough.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 05:40:21 PM
chris -  most position takers on bf (unless they are insanely successful over a long period of time % wise which is virtually impossible) dont pay the premium charge.  The premium charge has a complex formula but to keep it simple it punishes people who suck money out of th bf system without giving much back in the way of commission (ie green up merchants or people who lay 1000/1 or back 1.01 about things which are already beat/won)  Against popular belief you can be a massive winner on bf and not pay the premium charge if you take positions conversely you can pay the premium winning a relatively small amount of money depending on how you win it.  I know this will sound like double dutch to most people but its actually fact. 



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
Do you provide weekly or monthly screen shots of the profit/loss page ?

Blakey,

As you keep all the football trading in its own separate account and post all the information on here, this is something I think you should do.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: AndrewT on June 15, 2010, 05:42:42 PM
chris -  most position takers on bf (unless they are insanely successful over a long period of time % wise which is virtually impossible) dont pay the premium charge.  The premium charge has a complex formula but to keep it simple it punishes people who suck money out of th bf system without giving much back in the way of commission (ie green up merchants or people who lay 1000/1 or back 1.01 about things which are already beat/won)  Against popular belief you can be a massive winner on bf and not pay the premium charge if you take positions conversely you can pay the premium winning a relatively small amount of money depending on how you win it.  I know this will sound like double dutch to most people but its actually FACT! 

FYP


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 05:42:45 PM
Arbboy i stuck up for u but i dont think u understand how "staking" on this thread works. Blatch is selling at 1-1 meaning he gains nothing from other investors other than reducing his commission rate as not everyone wants to play 100 sngs a day on betfair.

Yes i had a 2% account before i was banned from bf.

And not everything in life is about ev. I bet on stuff all the time that i KNOW is a -ev bet. Why? Cos its fun and because i can.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 05:44:34 PM
U can know NOTHING about football and still have an edge in understanding market movements.

This thread is going downhill rapidly as people dont understand what they are saying/attempting to argue about.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 05:46:01 PM
Arbboy i stuck up for u but i dont think u understand how "staking" on this thread works. Blatch is selling at 1-1 meaning he gains nothing from other investors other than reducing his commission rate as not everyone wants to play 100 sngs a day on betfair.

Yes i had a 2% account before i was banned from bf.

And not everything in life is about ev. I bet on stuff all the time that i KNOW is a -ev bet. Why? Cos its fun and because i can.

Yeah this. A lot of people, good and bad poker players, rich and poor ones take non EV gambles. You saw Blatch have a big spin on roulette. So what?

What did u get banned for Dr Dubai?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chrisbruce on June 15, 2010, 05:47:23 PM
Arbboy i stuck up for u but i dont think u understand how "staking" on this thread works. Blatch is selling at 1-1 meaning he gains nothing from other investors other than reducing his commission rate as not everyone wants to play 100 sngs a day on betfair.

Yes i had a 2% account before i was banned from bf.

And not everything in life is about ev. I bet on stuff all the time that i KNOW is a -ev bet. Why? Cos its fun and because i can.

Yeah this. A lot of people, good and bad poker players, rich and poor ones take non EV gambles. You saw Blatch have a big spin on roulette. So what?

What did u get banned for Dr Dubai?

Coming 2nd a LOT in sit and go,s

I think


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 05:47:28 PM
dubai the reason being YOU CAN.  equally you wouldnt ask for staking into a $5/$10k cash game then go and spunk a buy in on one spin of a roulette wheel.  well maybe u would i dont know.

i just thought i would add some balance to the thread because although most of his investors are serious winning poker players they presumably know very little about the football markets.

If i had told the 2 guys who asked me to invest and said yes and then seem the investment manager had missed the biggest gamble of the world cup i wouldnt have been very happy for them.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 05:49:18 PM
But even with mistakes it doesnt mean its not a good investment. It just means its not an investment that is paying the maximum dividend. Big difference.

Plus the roulette argument is silly. If Blatch has £1k on red every night, he is losing £27. Same as a takeaway. I doubt u would moan at an "investment manager" spending £27 on a takeaway every night.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 05:50:55 PM
how did the investment managers contacts and information sources all not inform him of the biggest sharp gamble of the world cup?   possibly because he doesnt have any shrewd sources or contacts one would imagine at a guess.  This game was absolutely perfect for the pre match greening up army and the guy misses out.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 05:53:24 PM
He did say it was a mistake but he was out. Money aint everything and life has other priorities but as I said it doesnt make it a bad investment. It just makes it a non profit maximizing one- but life comes before money and not everything is as black and white as maximizing EV


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 05:53:33 PM
how did the investment managers contacts and information sources all not inform him of the biggest sharp gamble of the world cup?   possibly because he doesnt have any shrewd sources or contacts one would imagine at a guess.  This game was absolutely perfect for the pre match greening up army and the guy misses out.

we're not paying for his service though.

He's doing it for free so we aren't entitled to complain if he misses out on one trade etc


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chrisbruce on June 15, 2010, 05:56:45 PM
arrboy if what you say is true then you obviously have good info and are doing very well from it.

Blatch from the start has said this was an experiment/punt that he wanted to try over the year and this was made clear to all investors at the start. (I have not invested)

The trading got off to an unbelievable start that could not be sustained, but over the year Blatch has still shown a healthy profit doing something that is not easy.

Of course there will allways be somebody in the market with better information and skills than you but there is still a profit to be made for someone like Blatch.

This is not an investment for your pension but one for spare speculative cash.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 15, 2010, 06:24:01 PM
Blatch is the king of scams.


All hail.


And arbboy where is your thread making people money for free and betting on every game because you don't have any time for yourself when you work for free for other people? Also most of your gripes were answered before any money changed hands.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: maryhadalamb on June 15, 2010, 06:27:04 PM
I don't think the msn conversation is that relevant tbh, however, as someone who know nothing about this field I was interested to read about the Korea/Greece situation. I understand that this isn't a fulltime interest for Blatch, but the holidays/pokerevents etc must be cutting into the EV significantly, however, as others have stated, he's not charging a premium.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Josedinho on June 15, 2010, 06:27:30 PM
Hope Blatch goes on a mad run of "+'s" as a comeback


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 06:27:59 PM
Why is my name mentioned and particularly when its close to 30 odd,  which i aint close to yet haha!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 06:30:13 PM
no idea dubai why he asked if i know you.  I have no idea who the guy is or his name as his msn title didnt state it.  i still think it might be a wind up from someone but i thought i would post it anyway just in case the numbers are true which he quotes.  maybe the investment manager could confirm whilst he answers my other questions which are still unanswered.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 15, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
Hey arbboy.

The person who you had the conversation on MSN with has asked me to remove it from the public domain which I have done (Sorry Ace2M, I had to remove your post too)



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ACE2M on June 15, 2010, 06:33:19 PM
quote author=TightEnd link=topic=43354.msg1191462#msg1191462 date=1276623149]
Hey arbboy.

The person who you had the conversation on MSN with has asked me to remove it from the public domain which I have done (Sorry Ace2M, I had to remove your post too)


[/quote]

ah, was seriously confused for a min there.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 15, 2010, 06:33:38 PM
fwiw i think blatch has done a great job considering he's asked for nothing, he set out his pitch from the outset and said it was an experiment, nothing guaranteed!  I invested 4 figures in this and have made money for which i am grateful, i haven't yet received my payment yet but i did withdraw before the world cup started so this doesn't affect me anymore but if everyone, or the majority of people are happy with what they are getting in on then i don't see why u are still trying to stir it up.  

I respect your view because you clearly know what your talking about and are a success in your own right but like someone else said no need to be so confrontational.  Also Blatch clearly knows who the guy from the msn conversation is as only a handfull of people pulled out before the WC and he stated the amount he invested so he hasn't really remained anonymous.  To mr anonymous I'm hoping you will get your money within the next week because then I'll have mine :) and even thought he didn't give you a massive ROI once you put it into perspective of what a bank would have returned you in interest, or if your like me then you would have already spent that money then I'm sure you'll realise it wasn't that bad at all.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 15, 2010, 06:34:26 PM
the msn convo was from a genuine guy btw.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: StuartHopkin on June 15, 2010, 06:35:08 PM
Ha ha

Arbboy is Blatch

Heads up trading for rollz imminent

Here comes the grim!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 06:35:37 PM
missing the biggest 'well known if in the know' pre game gamble at the world cup is pretty embarrassing for someone claiming to have good contacts/knowledge of this field.  Like i have said all along i am trying to put some balance to this thread as most of you are poker players and not full time sports investors.  I really have no axe to grind in the slightest but i have had people ask my for my professional opinion on this for a while and i have sat back and watched with interest for months now.  After missing the Korea gamble i just thought it would be fair to highlight to the investors in an neutral way that the 'contacts/infortmation' may not be quite as good as some have been led to believe.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 15, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
the msn convo was from a genuine guy btw.

Yes, it was.

However he did say on the convo he didn't want it to be public and has asked for it to be removed.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 06:38:29 PM
ok so the msn chat was real.  i was 90/10 it was a wind up.  The kid is now shitting himself on msn to me that he wont get his money back.  Obv his money is safe but the sum in question seems a lot to him.  I am sorry buddy for posting your msn as i seriously thought it was a wind up.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 15, 2010, 06:39:41 PM
Lol this is funny. The guy had made some people a decent return as part of an experiment taking no cut along the way. We all knew the risks.

Absolute joke that he's receiving this shizzle Coz he was on the lash one night.

Agenda methinks.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 15, 2010, 06:42:03 PM
Having a go at someone who is doing this for free, for not making ppl enough money, when you aren't even involved, seems well harsh to me.

I used to play arrboy on crypto on the stts all the time, always seemed to have an axe to grind and was ridic abusive in chat.

I've met him since and he seems a jolly enough chap who is friends with some good poker players and nice ppl-not that the two always go together. :)

However, you say you don't have an axe to grind, seems to me a little like you do.

Wow you are the nutz at trading, enjoy your money and don't start slinging abuse at someone who has shown a really good roi over the season.

Blatch openly admits this was about testing this out, and also a wish to help fellow blondes make a nice profit.

Having a go at him for playing roulette and getting staked for cash is just mud slinging rot and you should leave it out.

As for that msn convo that is just an absolute joke, u r basically insinuating stuff u shldnt.

Just my opinion.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 06:43:10 PM
Yeah posting the msn was wrong, especially when requested not to by the person


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 15, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
missing the biggest 'well known if in the know' pre game gamble at the world cup is pretty embarrassing for someone claiming to have good contacts/knowledge of this field.  Like i have said all along i am trying to put some balance to this thread as most of you are poker players and not full time sports investors.  I really have no axe to grind in the slightest but i have had people ask my for my professional opinion on this for a while and i have sat back and watched with interest for months now.  After missing the Korea gamble i just thought it would be fair to highlight to the investors in an neutral way that the 'contacts/infortmation' may not be quite as good as some have been led to believe.

You make it sound like the world cup game was fixed.

Blatch was not staked.

Can you point to the bit where Blatch said he was using contacts ?

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 15, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
I really have no axe to grind in the slightest but i have had people ask my for my professional opinion on this

But you obviously do.

Your posting history doesn't really fill me with confidence either.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Chompy on June 15, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
chris -  most position takers on bf (unless they are insanely successful over a long period of time % wise which is virtually impossible) dont pay the premium charge.  The premium charge has a complex formula but to keep it simple it punishes people who suck money out of th bf system without giving much back in the way of commission (ie green up merchants or people who lay 1000/1 or back 1.01 about things which are already beat/won)  Against popular belief you can be a massive winner on bf and not pay the premium charge if you take positions conversely you can pay the premium winning a relatively small amount of money depending on how you win it.  I know this will sound like double dutch to most people but its actually fact. 


LOL. That is all.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 15, 2010, 06:46:16 PM
Having a go at someone who is doing this for free, for not making ppl enough money, when you aren't even involved, seems well harsh to me.

I used to play arrboy on crypto on the stts all the time, always seemed to have an axe to grind and was ridic abusive in chat.

I've met him since and he seems a jolly enough chap who is friends with some good poker players and nice ppl-not that the two always go together. :)

However, you say you don't have an axe to grind, seems to me a little like you do.

Wow you are the nutz at trading, enjoy your money and don't start slinging abuse at someone who has shown a really good roi over the season.

Blatch openly admits this was about testing this out, and also a wish to help fellow blondes make a nice profit.

Having a go at him for playing roulette and getting staked for cash is just mud slinging rot and you should leave it out.

As for that msn convo that is just an absolute joke, u r basically insinuating stuff u shldnt.

Just my opinion.

thats where i remember the name from, i agree with the highlighted....but he definately seems to know what hes talking about and i respect that like i said, just no need for the needle.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 06:46:26 PM
there is no agenda.  Like i say i have followed this closely for a number of months with a view to offering a partnership arrangement whereby the investors and i could mutually benefit from the fund being invested in my betfair account so the investors wouldnt lose 3% of every win out of the total bank by using my 2% account rather than 5% account the fund is currently using.  To put this into context if the fund had 200 winning trades a year of £3k lets asssume next season.   (losing trades dont count for commission because u dont pay any) that would be total gross winnings of £600k.   Less than 5% commission currently charged would give £570k after commission.  do this on a 2% account and the net returns after commission would be £588k.  £18k straight off the bottom line over a season given straight to bf purely because you are on 5% rather than 2% doing nothing different at all regarding staking.  The only loser doing this is betfair losing £18k of commisson from the investment fund.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 15, 2010, 06:48:18 PM
I doubt its 5%, my Mum is on 4.2%, even my Nan would be less than that!!! Or whatever the current equivalent ie 2%= 60% discount etc


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 15, 2010, 06:49:43 PM
there is no agenda.  Like i say i have followed this closely for a number of months with a view to offering a partnership arrangement whereby the investors and i could mutually benefit from the fund being invested in my betfair account so the investors wouldnt lose 3% of every win out of the total bank by using my 2% account rather than 5% account the fund is currently using.  To put this into context if the fund had 200 winning trades a year of £3k lets asssume next season.   (losing trades dont count for commission because u dont pay any) that would be total gross winnings of £600k.   Less than 5% commission currently charged would give £570k after commission.  do this on a 2% account and the net returns after commission would be £588k.  £18k straight off the bottom line over a season given straight to bf purely because you are on 5% rather than 2% doing nothing different at all regarding staking.  The only loser doing this is betfair losing £18k of commisson from the investment fund.



I'll wager a lot that he hasn't paid 5% most of the season.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 15, 2010, 06:51:18 PM
there is no agenda.  Like i say i have followed this closely for a number of months with a view to offering a partnership arrangement whereby the investors and i could mutually benefit from the fund being invested in my betfair account so the investors wouldnt lose 3% of every win out of the total bank by using my 2% account rather than 5% account the fund is currently using.  To put this into context if the fund had 200 winning trades a year of £3k lets asssume next season.   (losing trades dont count for commission because u dont pay any) that would be total gross winnings of £600k.   Less than 5% commission currently charged would give £570k after commission.  do this on a 2% account and the net returns after commission would be £588k.  £18k straight off the bottom line over a season given straight to bf purely because you are on 5% rather than 2% doing nothing different at all regarding staking.  The only loser doing this is betfair losing £18k of commisson from the investment fund.



lol this is a joke right?

You say no agenda then talk about a partnership? Haha

Motive revealed. GG you.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ACE2M on June 15, 2010, 06:52:44 PM
there is no agenda.  Like i say i have followed this closely for a number of months with a view to offering a partnership arrangement whereby the investors and i could mutually benefit from the fund being invested in my betfair account so the investors wouldnt lose 3% of every win out of the total bank by using my 2% account rather than 5% account the fund is currently using.  To put this into context if the fund had 200 winning trades a year of £3k lets asssume next season.   (losing trades dont count for commission because u dont pay any) that would be total gross winnings of £600k.   Less than 5% commission currently charged would give £570k after commission.  do this on a 2% account and the net returns after commission would be £588k.  £18k straight off the bottom line over a season given straight to bf purely because you are on 5% rather than 2% doing nothing different at all regarding staking.  The only loser doing this is betfair losing £18k of commisson from the investment fund.



lol this is a joke right?

You say no agenda then talk about a partnership? Haha

Motive revealed. GG you.

be asking for a stake next


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Chompy on June 15, 2010, 06:52:57 PM
What's this? Come and use my 2% account on which I don't pay the 20% premium charge because I take a position and don't trade...to do your trading?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 15, 2010, 06:59:09 PM
Good job arbboy hasn't got access to Boldie's staking forum.

:D


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 07:02:23 PM
let me clarify i dont want any involvement in this investment plan having seen how the south korea game wasnt invested in.  I clicked reply before i finished my post by accident and added that i had been following this plan for most of the season and was impressed and genuinely thought the guy must have some decent contacts however having seen how this game wasnt included its pretty obvious that its not as well clued up as i thought and i wouldnt want to get involved and have peoples funds invested in my account.  It would never have been proposed to get involved in the investment decisions just purely to allow the fund to use my account at a mutually beneficial spot for both parties where the loser would have been betfair receiving lower commissions from the fund.   Numerous people use my betfair account to place bets when the upside is big and they arent on 2% in a similar manner to that proposed for obvious win win situation reasons.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 15, 2010, 07:06:09 PM
let me clarify i dont want any involvement in this investment plan having seen how the south korea game wasnt invested in.  I clicked reply before i finished my post by accident and added that i had been following this plan for most of the season and was impressed and genuinely thought the guy must have some decent contacts however having seen how this game wasnt included its pretty obvious that its not as well clued up as i thought and i wouldnt want to get involved and have peoples funds invested in my account.  It would never have been proposed to get involved in the investment decisions just purely to allow the fund to use my account at a mutually beneficial spot for both parties where the loser would have been betfair receiving lower commissions from the fund.   Numerous people use my betfair account to place bets when the upside is big and they arent on 2% in a similar manner to that proposed for obvious win win situation reasons.

Commas and a shift key would make your posts slightly more legible. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 07:06:32 PM
It makes even more financial sense from chompys reply because if the investment fund was to become very successful its exactly the type of 'greening up' account which would be hit by the premium charge if there were hardly any games which made a loss.  Given its success so far if its on a brand new account from the start i would be surprised with a 60/10 win/loss trading ratio if its not paying the premium charge already.  


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 15, 2010, 07:07:50 PM
It makes even more financial sense from chompys reply because if the investment fund was to become very successful its exactly the type of 'greening up' account which would be hit by the premium charge if there were hardly any games which made a loss.  Given its success so far if its on a brand new account from the start i would be surprised with a 60/10 win/loss trading ratio if its not paying the premium charge already. 

You said you'd read the thread and you've been keeping an eye on it? 

Did you forget to read the opening post of the thread?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=43354.msg1015603#msg1015603


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 07:14:58 PM
if the account suddenly had to pay 20% premium charge on top of lets say 4% commission then the returns from using a 2% account with no premium charge are quite sizeable.  Take 20% off the £600k profits in my realistic model as well as the commission and all of a sudden the amount given to betfair looks rather big (over £100k a season)  Remember this is the only overhead this business plan has and currently the plan is paying close to as high a fee as is possible.  IF and when the premium charge hits the model its returns will become a whole lot lower.   The only way to avoid this is to use a lower commission account which doesnt pay the premium charge.  Believe me these are hard to find.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 15, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
epic


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: nirvana on June 15, 2010, 07:29:39 PM
there is no agenda.  Like i say i have followed this closely for a number of months with a view to offering a partnership arrangement whereby the investors and i could mutually benefit from the fund being invested in my betfair account so the investors wouldnt lose 3% of every win out of the total bank by using my 2% account rather than 5% account the fund is currently using.  To put this into context if the fund had 200 winning trades a year of £3k lets asssume next season.   (losing trades dont count for commission because u dont pay any) that would be total gross winnings of £600k.   Less than 5% commission currently charged would give £570k after commission.  do this on a 2% account and the net returns after commission would be £588k.  £18k straight off the bottom line over a season given straight to bf purely because you are on 5% rather than 2% doing nothing different at all regarding staking.  The only loser doing this is betfair losing £18k of commisson from the investment fund.

Finally a good post that's illuminating but want to make sure I get this straight - 5% of x is more than 2% of x ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 08:18:35 PM
i dont understand your post


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 15, 2010, 10:39:34 PM
Think Blatch was quite up front about the investment. If he was charging money then I would probably agree with a lot of your points although voicing them on this thread is out of order imo.

Also if you've seen blatch play roulette you'd realise he is +EV


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Karabiner on June 15, 2010, 10:42:57 PM

Also if you've seen blatch play roulette you'd realise he is +EV

QFT


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 15, 2010, 10:44:00 PM

Also if you've seen blatch play roulette you'd realise he is +EV

QFT

True story


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 15, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
why is it out of order to put some balance on this thread as most people who have invested in this although excellent poker players know little if anything about the sharp end of sports betting which betfair is.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 15, 2010, 11:51:02 PM
What has being a degen who likes to take 1k spins on roulette got to do with someones trading or poker abilities ?

Blatch had a ridic sick good run at the start of this and has made most people profit,epic thread and run better soon.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 15, 2010, 11:59:15 PM
Neil please can you post up, from the football trading account a statement of all activity by month for the last 3 months?

Pops is now on the thread and wants to see.

Cheers,


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: nirvana on June 16, 2010, 12:26:24 AM
Neil please can you post up, from the football trading account a statement of all activity by month for the last 3 months?

Pops is now on the thread and wants to see.

Cheers,

arse


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 12:30:33 AM
being a regen on roulette normally hinders your ability to grow your roll when its small and means you are constantly begging for staking when you shouldnt be to play $5/$10 cash games you should easily be rolled to play if you are as talented as some are to beat the bf football markets.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: nirvana on June 16, 2010, 12:38:04 AM
being a regen on roulette normally hinders your ability to grow your roll when its small and means you are constantly begging for staking when you shouldnt be to play $5/$10 cash games you should easily be rolled to play if you are as talented as some are to beat the bf football markets.

arse


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 12:58:21 AM
being a regen on roulette normally hinders your ability to grow your roll when its small and means you are constantly begging for staking when you shouldnt be to play $5/$10 cash games you should easily be rolled to play if you are as talented as some are to beat the bf football markets.

Again, have you actually read the first post of this thread?



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 01:01:52 AM
being a regen on roulette normally hinders your ability to grow your roll when its small and means you are constantly begging for staking when you shouldnt be to play $5/$10 cash games you should easily be rolled to play if you are as talented as some are to beat the bf football markets.

U make getting staked sound like a weakness.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:06:33 AM
it really is a love in in this forum isnt it?  if u dont agree with everyone no one likes you.  if you say something factually correct but goes against the grain u get told to leave the thread/forum.  

What amazes me is that everyone who has invested in this 'scheme' hasnt asked to see proof of where their investment has gone and been invested.  Given the fact a seperate bf account is being used for this project it would be insanely simple to simply put a weekly/monthly/3monthly screen shot of the betfair P+L to prove the results.  like all other questions i have asked the investment manager he has ignored them and not replied.  Name me 5 people in the uk who make their living solely from football betting apart from tony bloom?   These are the people whos opinion moves markets whatever u actually think.  Without knowing what they are betting and why u are playing a game of guessing which way the market is going.  I know the majority of them either personally or via people i know.  Several months ago the investment manager actually implied on a thread here that what he was posting on here regarding market movements was actually causing global mainstream football markets to move of his opinion.  Markets which make millions of pounds in asia to move this guy was actually implying his opinion on blonde poker people in sufficient numbers were following him in and causing the market to collaspe.  I mean can you really take this seriously!!!!  

Maybe i am just a bit too streetwise or not down with the poker kids but when i invest a '5 figure sum' like several have i would expect to see first hand evidence of the results (ie a betfair screenshot of the P+L) when its so easy to do.  If nothing to hide then post it up and let the punters know where their cash is gone.  Numerous sports bettors i have shown this thread to have asked the same question 'why would the guy go to all this hassle unless there was something in it for him?'  'if he is so good at beating one of the toughest markets in the world to beat with a 5% deduction when most have 2% why would he a) do it for free and b) not be rolled to do it himself?

Sorry if i have ruffled a few feathers but given the fact the msn poster earlier wasnt that happy with his return i can only assume there are others out there like him.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:09:23 AM
maybe i am old school but staking is a massive weakness when if u curbed the leaks from ur regen behaviour u would be sufficiently rolled to play and keep 100% of ur profits rather than have to get the begging bowl out and give a % of ur profits away because u cant resist 28/9 split and 7 on a roulette wheel.  Staking has its time and its place but i really struggle to understand people needing staking when they spunk money for fun on negative ev bets.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 01:10:43 AM
maybe i am old school but staking is a massive weakness when if u curbed the leaks from ur regen behaviour u would be sufficiently rolled to play and keep 100% of ur profits rather than have to get the begging bowl out and give a % of ur profits away because u cant resist 28/9 split and 7 on a roulette wheel.  Staking has its time and its place but i really struggle to understand people needing staking when they spunk money for fun on negative ev bets.

Not everyone is as disciplined as you. If they were I doubt poker or even sports betting would be as big as they are. You'd probably be out of business in a week if people didn't have a punt outside of their "roll" on betfair


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: AndrewT on June 16, 2010, 01:13:36 AM
LOL at 'investment manager' - Blatch is just spinning up some beer money for his mates.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:15:19 AM
spinning up beer money - lmao dont make me laugh - the guy has a staked investment fund of circa £80k yet personally he cant even roll himself into a 'very soft' $5/$10 game in vegas.  The two stories dont really add up.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:26:45 AM
also from what i understand from this forum the investment manager is a full time betfair punter on a seperate account.  He doesnt work for a living.  Yet he cant afford to play a $5/$10 soft cash game in vegas and needs staking (max roll needed is $30k i would have said) but has the personal roll in his private account to make a sufficient income to live on and spunk £1k in a spin on a roulette wheel.  Maybe some people here are being taken for a ride.  Maybe not.   The numbers across several threads certainly dont add up.  I dont know many punters who can make a living on betfair with a bankroll less than it takes to sit in a 'very soft' $5/$10 game in vegas.  Maybe i am wrong but i am very happy advising my guys not to get involved in the 'scheme'.   


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 01:52:29 AM
 

why u had no involvement on the game which anyone who is anyone knew the sharps were going to back heavily S Korea v Greece

so your 'information sources' would advise u to avoid the game which was going to be the biggest gamble of the first round and hence give u the biggest opportunity for 'riskfree' profit by a mile.

There wont be another game in this world cup which moves this much i 100% gtd that.

 the fact you chose to get involved in an england game instead of the biggest gamble of the whole event just shows that your so called 'information sources' are nothing other than guess work. 

just do the maths on his total bank going on that game at 3.3 and greening up around 2.7 and then work out how much profit was lost.

I can only assume from his non involvement in the biggest gamble of the world cup by a mile

every judge in the game was on this game hence the gamble.

When i invest money into something and i miss the biggest return of an event like he has done here i would want a better excuse than 'i went to leics races' or  'i did the england game instead' for missing out.   

If i had told the 2 guys who asked me to invest and said yes and then seem the investment manager had missed the biggest gamble of the world cup i wouldnt have been very happy for them.

 This game was absolutely perfect for the pre match greening up army and the guy misses out.

missing the biggest 'well known if in the know' pre game gamble at the world cup is pretty embarrassing for someone claiming to have good contacts/knowledge of this field.

After missing the Korea gamble i just thought it would be fair to highlight to the investors in an neutral way that the 'contacts/infortmation' may not be quite as good as some have been led to believe.

let me clarify i dont want any involvement in this investment plan having seen how the south korea game wasnt invested in.

seen how this game wasnt included its pretty obvious that its not as well clued up as i thought


Gas


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 02:13:40 AM
what does gas mean?  i aint down with the kidz!!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: EvilPie on June 16, 2010, 02:14:31 AM
what does gas mean?  i aint down with the kidz!!!!

[ ] solid


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 02:32:06 AM
what does gas mean?  i aint down with the kidz!!!!

What do you think it means. Review the context


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 02:32:47 AM
just speak english.  Maybe my straight talking isnt what everyone on this forum is used to even if it is 100% factual


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 02:48:30 AM
thank you james.  i know your user name from awop.  You know me as well.  We have played together live numerous times and spoke at dtd.  Glad to see there is a bit of balance to this thread and someone who is respected in the poker world outside of the blonde 'we are love each other' forum.  Like i have said all along i have no axe to grind i just like adding balance to the thread and why still havent any of my questions been answered?  Why has the bf P+L not been showed as a screen shot if the account is solely used for this fund?   what is there to hide?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 16, 2010, 02:51:55 AM
Although I think it would be absolutely ridiculous that screenshots/records of EVERY single game traded were not distributed to stakers, we don't know what goes on privately between Blatch and his stakers. He could be using PM/MSN/FB etc etc etc to tell everybody about the games he's traded how much he's won etc.

I think Arbboy has put some absolutely imperative detailed information ITT and assuming they have zerp history I'm guessing he is doing it for the benefit of the forum and to help out his mates that are possibly interested in investing and not trying to give Blatch a bad name. A lot of people have reacted badly to Arbboy and I think he may have taken it the wrong way. Blonde seems to be more of a community than a forum and a guy coming into the "community" with less than 10 posts (the first 10 trying to sell something) and attacking a guy that has made everybody who invested money a profit no matter how small it is and more than that a close friend to many people is always going to end up in squabbling.

Instead of arguing both sides should take the positives out of the thread.

Arbboy- This is a community and if you give a few tips then everyone will worship the ground you work on. The words some of us "kidz" use are frankly ridiculous so don't worry about not knowing/understanding them, I think there is a post in the learning centre of PHA (Poker Hand Analysis) that actually lists all the words for your "dadz" :) I think you actually have good intentions and believe in time you could be a really liked and important member of this forum and hopefully you feel more "accepted" quickly. Also if you want a clever, quick learning, maths friendly apprentice that you'd like to take under your wing, holla! (shout :P)

Blatch- A lot of what Arbboy has said is just like a professional way to go on. I'm not saying you should do daily reports about what you're planning to bet on and how much you've made, but a graph in the thread would be really good. Not just so we know that you're not putting everybodies money on 27/8 :P but it is actually pretty interesting and although I havn't yet invested I would be really intrigued. I don't think it's necessary you post all the games you've traded on ITT, but sending them to the people that have invested would be advisable, not just for the peace of their mind, but so they can rail/sweat.

Lets all be friends, onwards and upwards guys.




Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 02:54:26 AM
for those of u who dont know betfair well he could easily post a profit and loss account of a whole months activity on one page on her with 2 clicks.  showing a simple one figure result of each game traded. no other detail needs to be shown.  it would take 2 seconds to do.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:04:45 AM
so now james keys has posted who is a highly respectable poker player regarding doubts about the scheme.  I could name the 2 guys who asked me about investing in this privately several months ago.  I wont but they are both massively well known in uk poker circles and on blonde and they both know who they are and i gtd everyone on this thread will know both of them.  why cant the simple questions i have raised be answered?  All u get is the gang of blatch's boyz answering and sticking up for him without given any solid answers to the questions i have asked.  They are really simple to answer ifyou know the game inside out like i am sure the investment manager does if his claims are true. Maybe asking these questions exposes talents that arent quite as good as they have kidded the poker community into investing 'their beer money'  £80k certainly isnt beer money to this investment manager who needs staking to play a 'very soft' $5/$10 cash game.  Maybe you should ask yourself a few questions.  I am happy at any point to show anyone my bf account at dtd with full P+L points balance to back up who i am.  People who know me on this forum already wouldnt even need to see it.  I have nothing to hide.  I just dont understand why so many questions i ask cant be answered.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on June 16, 2010, 03:06:58 AM
so now james keys has posted who is a highly respectable poker player regarding doubts about the scheme.  I could name the 2 guys who asked me about investing in this privately several months ago.  I wont but they are both massively well known in uk poker circles and on blonde and they both know who they are and i gtd everyone on this thread will know both of them.  why cant the simple questions i have raised be answered?  All u get is the gang of blatch's boyz answering and sticking up for him without given any solid answers to the questions i have asked.  They are really simple to answer ifyou know the game inside out like i am sure the investment manager does if his claims are true. Maybe asking these questions exposes talents that arent quite as good as they have kidded the poker community into investing 'their beer money'  £80k certainly isnt beer money to this investment manager who needs staking to play a 'very soft' $5/$10 cash game.  Maybe you should ask yourself a few questions.  I am happy at any point to show anyone my bf account at dtd with full P+L points balance to back up who i am.  People who know me on this forum already wouldnt even need to see it.  I have nothing to hide.  I just dont understand why so many questions i ask cant be answered.


your really getting on my tits now


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: iwillwinlots on June 16, 2010, 03:08:16 AM
lol @ investment manager


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:14:40 AM
he is an investment manager isnt he?  he is managing an £80k circa roll which from other threads (ie he cant afford to sit in a soft $5/$10 cash game) implies this investment fund would be 3 or 4 times bigger than his own personal roll.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:19:52 AM
sorry an unpaid 'investment manager' he goes to all this trouble just to look after his friends.  He doesnt expect anything for his services.  He crushes one of the toughest online football betting markets in the world with the handicap of having 5% commisson when most have 2% with his skills and doesnt want to charge anyone a penny for the pleasure.  He doesnt post any real bf P+L's which could easily be scanned onto this forum in a couple of clicks.  Yet he is so talented in his 30's he cant afford to stake himself into a 'very soft' $5/$10 cash game in vegas.  Maybe i am old school or maybe a lot of u have been taken for a ride.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:21:53 AM
sorry james i just assumed everyone on here would know it was you.  u seemed happy enough on awop to tell people under the same user name it was you.  Sorry if i have 'exposed' you in public.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 03:27:30 AM
sorry an unpaid 'investment manager' he goes to all this trouble just to look after his friends.  He doesnt expect anything for his services.  He crushes one of the toughest online football betting markets in the world with the handicap of having 5% commisson when most have 2% with his skills and doesnt want to charge anyone a penny for the pleasure.  He doesnt post any real bf P+L's which could easily be scanned onto this forum in a couple of clicks.  Yet he is so talented in his 30's he cant afford to stake himself into a 'very soft' $5/$10 cash game in vegas.  Maybe i am old school or maybe a lot of u have been taken for a ride.



how many more times are you going to tell us about the "very soft" $5 $10 in vegas??

lol was about to say the same thing.

You've made your point I think. For someone with no axe to grind you're up late still arguing the toss


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:32:59 AM
i am watching the nba finals on espn.  My fav sport as anyone who knows me will tell u.  Why cant someone answer the question about how a pro punter cant afford to stake himself into a 'very soft' 5/10 game in vegas?  No answers to any of my pretty logical questions.  I dont know many pro punters who operate with a bank that cant afford to comfortably play a game of that size.  If your gang answers the question just one time i will stop bringing it up.  Just like the man hasnt answered any of my other questions i have asked him.  They are really simple to answer.  Most people who know the football markets have the peoples numbers on their phone.  I am pretty sure this investment manager couldnt even tell me their names.  Never mind know them to know which way they will be moving the market.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:34:58 AM
james i dont need anyone in my corner.  My betfair balance/account/points balance does my talking.  Its a big price u see me begging for staking on here with stories which dont add up.  I will await answers to my questions but i dont think they will be forthcoming as certain people dont like being exposed.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 03:43:07 AM
There's a lot of supposition in your arguments, a lot of 2+2=10. Particulary with regard to Blatch's personal finances.

The screenshot thing is one I don't understand. If you don't trust people and need to ask for screenshots, don't give them 5 figure sums in the first place. Even if you don't and you do, a screenshot won't stop you getting grimmed.

As for missing the South Korea trade, I don't have the skills to critically assess your claim that not trading on this match means that Blatch knows nothing about trading on football games. From a semi lay persons point of view though, your arguments seem full of supposition and do not have me convinced.

You say the thread needs balance. The apperance halfway through the premier season when it seemed he was some sort of God who every week rang a bell and won 5 grand has long since gone. He's hit a bit of variance, to the point where people are questioning whether or not he's "still got it"
Making the same point 11 times is perhaps enough balance for now?

If I were a gambling man I'd wager that he had some run good, now some run bad, but is a profitable trader overall, both in terms of EV and actual results.
You can talk a little more about the South Korea gate scandal and how this proves that he's either been a lucky guesser or a liar all this time, but I'm unlikely to be convinced.

I don't have any money in Blatch for what it's worth. Until you started posting on this thread I half wanted him to either spunk the whole lot or pull off some sort of grim. Now I want him to prosper, such is the whim of the spectator.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Horneris on June 16, 2010, 03:47:34 AM
Welcome to the forum arbboy.

 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:52:14 AM
tank - how many pro punters do u know?  I assume not many without sounding harsh.  I dont know one person who punts for a living soley on betfair like this investment manager does who couldnt comfortably afford to play a 'very soft' 5/10 cash game. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 03:58:48 AM
tank - how many pro punters do u know?  I assume not many without sounding harsh.  I dont know one person who punts for a living soley on betfair like this investment manager does who couldnt comfortably afford to play a 'very soft' 5/10 cash game. 

Perhaps if you opened your mind to the possibility that "being staked" and "begging" are not always synonymous it might open up about 16 or 17 explanations.

I'm not going to help you speculate though because Blatch's personal finances are really none of my buisness.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 04:00:12 AM
i have no qualms about admitting i was a big arber back in the day when it was easy and the returns from arbing were insane given zero risk and the relative ease of getting on compared to 2010.  My poker name came from that years ago.  I have no reason to change my name now but anyone who knows about the game like you obviously do chompy (not sure if you are g wheldon from the rfo) knows arbing to decent money now online and/or in the shops is virtually impossible nowadays.  Either way arbers on bf are always position takers on the machine and rack up massive bf points and certainly never incur the premium charge whenever they win or lose on bf. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 04:01:44 AM
I know enough professional gamblers to spot the general trend that the best sports betters tend to be nitty and the best poker players tend to be degenerate animals.

Both make good money, but the latter have better nights out


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 16, 2010, 04:03:45 AM
Seriously arbboy, for some1 with no agenda yr like this huge spammer just going on and on over the same points.

Just yawn.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 04:04:05 AM
ok tank u avoided my question.  is it a disease on blonde to avoid answering questions?  so u know many pro punters.  How many couldnt comfortably afford to sit in a 'very soft' $5/$10 cash game?  that was the question i asked.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 16, 2010, 04:06:10 AM
ok tank u avoided my question.  is it a disease on blonde to avoid answering questions?  so u know many pro punters.  How many couldnt comfortably afford to sit in a 'very soft' $5/$10 cash game?  that was the question i asked.

Poker roll, pro punter roll- different.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 04:10:04 AM
I refer you to my previous response. The one about staking and begging not always being synonymous.

This is discourse this is. I am not indicted, you are not a grand jury, and even if I was and you were, I could plead the 5th ammendment.

This isn't even America dude so wtf


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 04:12:47 AM
if u were a professional investor of any kind why would u go to the bank (ie staker) and give him a big chunk of ur profit in interest if u were rolled to play the game comfortably which any genuine pro punter on betfair would be?  simple answer is you wouldnt. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 04:19:41 AM
Simple answers are good, especially for simple people.

More complicated answers would include

- for the craic
- motivational factors
- psychological temporal nit factors (don't want to be down on that particular day/week/month)
- money being tied up in assets, or some sort of arb thing
- not having cash on you
- building relationships
- etc etc


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 04:21:49 AM
arra there's loads of people "backed" or staked. Just cos the game is soft doesn't mean you can't lose. Neil is obv selling some to even out the variance. Have you NEVER EVER had a losing trade? Or a prolonged period time where you've lost money. Seems to me there's more this then meets the eye. Have you met Neil before?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 16, 2010, 04:25:15 AM
if u were a professional investor of any kind why would u go to the bank (ie staker) and give him a big chunk of ur profit in interest if u were rolled to play the game comfortably which any genuine pro punter on betfair would be?  simple answer is you wouldnt. 

Yr argument is so so flawed. Do you actually play much live poker at all?

A great deal of the poker community is staked, including some that don't even need to be staked, they just feel more comfortable that way.

It's called being a roll nit, just been cautious with your own money while often making money for friends.

I mean you sold your betfair package at a loss, why didn't you just ask one of your many many influential friends to take it off you for hardly any loss?

Seriously mate you talk a great deal of sense in regards to football trading, but a lot of the other stuff spewing from your posts is just that, spews.




Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 04:25:42 AM
lmao - you have to be taking the pi s s here surely.  The guy is a full time pro punter.  

More complicated answers would include

- for the craic - you ask for staking for the 'craic'?  please talk me through that one
- motivational factors - how does being staked motivate u when u give 40/50% of ur profilts to someone else when u could easily roll urself into the game urself and keep 100% providing u have the funds
- psychological temporal nit factors (don't want to be down on that particular day/week/month) - never met a long term successful punter who worries about this
- money being tied up in assets, or some sort of arb thing - a pro punter only has one tool of his trade (cash) very rare for this to happen although in exceptional circumstances it can - dont really think this is the case going to vegas for the summer
- not having cash on you - why would a pro punter go to vegas without a suitable amount of cash to play a 'very soft' cash game?
- building relationships - now u really are taking the pis s
- etc etc


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
lmao - you have to be taking the pi s s here surely.  The guy is a full time pro punter.  

More complicated answers would include

- for the craic - you ask for staking for the 'craic'?  please talk me through that one
- motivational factors - how does being staked motivate u when u give 40/50% of ur profilts to someone else when u could easily roll urself into the game urself and keep 100% providing u have the funds
- psychological temporal nit factors (don't want to be down on that particular day/week/month) - never met a long term successful punter who worries about this
- money being tied up in assets, or some sort of arb thing - a pro punter only has one tool of his trade (cash) very rare for this to happen although in exceptional circumstances it can - dont really think this is the case going to vegas for the summer
- not having cash on you - why would a pro punter go to vegas without a suitable amount of cash to play a 'very soft' cash game?
- building relationships - now u really are taking the pis s
- etc etc

Mark this is obv something personal- u are making assumptions on someone elses life/finances. It's obv personal. Quite frankly you're reasoned argument has just turned into a personal attack and you're starting to look quite silly


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 16, 2010, 04:33:54 AM
lmao - you have to be taking the pi s s here surely.  The guy is a full time pro punter.  

More complicated answers would include

- for the craic - you ask for staking for the 'craic'?  please talk me through that one
- motivational factors - how does being staked motivate u when u give 40/50% of ur profilts to someone else when u could easily roll urself into the game urself and keep 100% providing u have the funds
- psychological temporal nit factors (don't want to be down on that particular day/week/month) - never met a long term successful punter who worries about this
- money being tied up in assets, or some sort of arb thing - a pro punter only has one tool of his trade (cash) very rare for this to happen although in exceptional circumstances it can - dont really think this is the case going to vegas for the summer
- not having cash on you - why would a pro punter go to vegas without a suitable amount of cash to play a 'very soft' cash game?
- building relationships - now u really are taking the pis s
- etc etc

Wow just realised arrboy has posted like 48 posts mostly in a day. Good luck buddy, just another 252 odd and u can go on the staking board and see if you can get some staking yourself!

He's good at putting ppl on tilt from his chat, dunno about his play tho...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 04:35:34 AM
how am i looking silly?  i am 100% self rolled and self made from zero.  I dont claim to be a pro punter on betfair then state i need staking for virtually anything that moves into games which u could comfortably play with a £25k roll.  I am taking a stab in the dark here but i know more professional sports bettors on bf than anyone on here and i know none of them have a liquid cash roll of less than £25k,  therefore everyone i know (whos primary income like the investment manager is on betfair which he stated) could easily play the game without staking.  if its so soft why do you want to give away your action if u gamble for a living and the game is easily within ur roll?  it really doesnt make any sense unless its not within ur roll and u will be pushing urself to play the game.  surely its the sorta spot u dream of finding.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 04:40:21 AM
This guy doesn't seem to think too much of you?

http://punterzpoker.blogspot.com/2009/01/arbboy-cheat.html


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Woodsey on June 16, 2010, 04:41:37 AM
This guy doesn't seem to think too much of you?

http://punterzpoker.blogspot.com/2009/01/arbboy-cheat.html

lol


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 04:43:29 AM
another fan of yours:

Talking of retards lets have a couple of hand histories involving everyone favourite idiot, Ardonkey...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 641716953 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $330 Buy-in + $10 Entry Fee, Level:4 Blinds(50/100-(no ante)) - Tuesday, January 26, 22:45:57 GMT 2010
$330+$10 Turbo NL Hold'em #3759824
Table 1 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 4
Seat 1: YSOSERIOUS ( 700 )
Seat 2: fossilman ( 1,712.50 )
Seat 4: Hops ( 5,407.50 )
Seat 6: arbboy ( 1,180 )
Tourney Level:4 Blinds(50/100-(no ante))
YSOSERIOUS posts small blind [50]
fossilman posts big blind [100]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to YSOSERIOUS [ 7h, 5d ]
Hops folds
arbboy raises to [262.50]
YSOSERIOUS folds
fossilman raises to [720]
arbboy calls [457.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 6d, 5h ]
fossilman checks
arbboy checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
fossilman checks
arbboy checks
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
fossilman goes all-in
fossilman bets [992.50]
arbboy calls [460]
arbboy goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [532.50] to fossilman
** Showdown **
fossilman shows [ Qh, Kh ] a pair of Queens
arbboy shows [ Tc, 8c ] a straight, Queen to Eight
** Hand Conclusion **
arbboy wins 2,410 from main pot with a straight, Queen to Eight
************ Game 641716953 ends ************


***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 642017654 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee, Level:1 Blinds(10/20-(no ante)) - Wednesday, January 27, 15:35:25 GMT 2010
$100+$5 NL Hold'em #3764551
Table 1 2-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 2
Seat 1: arbboy ( 1,360 )
Seat 2: MrKangaroo ( 1,640 )
Tourney Level:1 Blinds(10/20-(no ante))
MrKangaroo posts small blind [10]
arbboy posts big blind [20]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MrKangaroo [ 9d, Qs ]
MrKangaroo raises to [40]
arbboy raises to [120]
MrKangaroo calls [80]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Ac, As ]
arbboy checks
MrKangaroo checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
arbboy checks
MrKangaroo checks
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
arbboy checks
MrKangaroo checks
** Showdown **
arbboy shows [ Th, 3c ] two pair, Aces and Tens
MrKangaroo mucks [ 9d, Qs ]
** Hand Conclusion **
arbboy wins 240 from main pot with two pair, Aces and Tens
************ Game 642017654 ends ************


***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 642020314 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee, Level:2 Blinds(15/30-(no ante)) - Wednesday, January 27, 15:41:06 GMT 2010
$100+$5 NL Hold'em #3764551
Table 1 2-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 2
Seat 1: arbboy ( 1,730 )
Seat 2: MrKangaroo ( 1,270 )
Tourney Level:2 Blinds(15/30-(no ante))
MrKangaroo posts small blind [15]
arbboy posts big blind [30]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MrKangaroo [ 6d, 6h ]
MrKangaroo raises to [90]
arbboy goes all-in
arbboy raises to [1,730]
MrKangaroo folds
Returning uncalled bet [1,640] to arbboy
arbboy shows [ Kh, 7s ]
** Hand Conclusion **
arbboy wins 180 from main pot
************ Game 642020314 ends ************


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 04:44:15 AM
lmao - you have to be taking the pi s s here surely.  The guy is a full time pro punter.  

More complicated answers would include

- for the craic - you ask for staking for the 'craic'?  please talk me through that one
- motivational factors - how does being staked motivate u when u give 40/50% of ur profilts to someone else when u could easily roll urself into the game urself and keep 100% providing u have the funds
- psychological temporal nit factors (don't want to be down on that particular day/week/month) - never met a long term successful punter who worries about this
- money being tied up in assets, or some sort of arb thing - a pro punter only has one tool of his trade (cash) very rare for this to happen although in exceptional circumstances it can - dont really think this is the case going to vegas for the summer
- not having cash on you - why would a pro punter go to vegas without a suitable amount of cash to play a 'very soft' cash game?
- building relationships - now u really are taking the pis s
- etc etc

If you don't understand 'for the craic' in the context of a holiday in Vegas. then I don't know where to start with you.

You are obviously wired in a very poundshillingpence centric way and happy days more power to you.

The problem is that you seem to be projecting your priorities and world view, how you're wired, onto everyone else. Assuming that they operate the way you operate.

It leads you to a lot of conclusions (and you seem very sure about them) but they are are based on a scant amount of dodgy evidence may well be wrong. (ie Blatch is busto, Blatch can't trade, Blatch is a liar, etc)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 16, 2010, 04:51:26 AM
1 how am i looking silly?  i am 100% self rolled and self made from zero.  I dont claim to be a pro punter on betfair then state i need staking for virtually anything that moves into games which u could comfortably play with a £25k roll.  I am taking a stab in the dark here but i 2 know more professional sports bettors on bf than anyone on here and i know none of them have a liquid cash roll of less than £25k,  therefore everyone i know (whos primary income like the investment manager is on betfair which he stated) could easily play the game without staking.  3 if its so soft why do you want to give away your action if u gamble for a living and the game is easily within ur roll?  it really doesnt make any sense unless its not within ur roll and u will be pushing urself to play the game.  surely its the sorta spot u dream of finding.


(1) Because you keep going and on and on, droaning endlessley over the same tired old points. Let blatch reply before you bitch for england.

(2) Wow you really love yrslf don't you.

(3) Like you said in a prev post, prob due to having cash tied up in assets elsewhere, and really how on earth is this yr business?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 04:59:47 AM
Think I shut him up.

weeeeeeeeeeeee


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: maryhadalamb on June 16, 2010, 05:48:19 AM
Skolsuper, voice of reason. Arbboy I appreciate your views, just don't go OTT or it detracts from the pertinent points you have made. IDK if they happen on blonde, but I'm sure there'd be interest in you sharing your expertise in a 2p2 style "Well".

Complete derail: I got money on Germany @ 29/2 on strength of the Deloitte analysis, when should I be looking to lay it off?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 16, 2010, 08:08:38 AM
missing the biggest 'well known if in the know' pre game gamble at the world cup is pretty embarrassing for someone claiming to have good contacts/knowledge of this field.  Like i have said all along i am trying to put some balance to this thread as most of you are poker players and not full time sports investors.  I really have no axe to grind in the slightest but i have had people ask my for my professional opinion on this for a while and i have sat back and watched with interest for months now.  After missing the Korea gamble i just thought it would be fair to highlight to the investors in an neutral way that the 'contacts/infortmation' may not be quite as good as some have been led to believe.

You make it sound like the world cup game was fixed.

Blatch was not staked.

Can you point to the bit where Blatch said he was using contacts ?

Sandy

That blonde disease must be catching.

As for staking, If it's good enough for Ben Grundy ......


Sandy



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: EvilPie on June 16, 2010, 08:47:23 AM
Blah blah blah blah blah blah investment manager. Blah blah blah blah blah soft $5 $10 cash game. Blah blah blah blah blah blah I trade as well. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah he pays 5% and I pay 2% Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I know loads of people. Blah blah blah blah blah blah   Yet he is so talented in his 30's blah blah blah blah blah

Arbboy makes a very good argument and I for one agree entirely with everything he says.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 09:18:15 AM
Blah blah blah blah blah blah investment manager. Blah blah blah blah blah soft $5 $10 cash game. Blah blah blah blah blah blah I trade as well. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah he pays 5% and I pay 2% Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I know loads of people. Blah blah blah blah blah blah  Yet he is so talented in his 30's blah blah blah blah blah

Arbboy makes a very good argument and I for one agree entirely with everything he says.

LOL


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rupert on June 16, 2010, 09:49:35 AM
I've played a lot of SNGs with arbboy (I no longer play them) on betfair and rated him as a bad reg that grinded out the leaderboards.  I'm sure he trades a lot better than his SNG skills!

Anyway, arbboy is making lots of good points.  Blatch, in hindsight would you agree the Korea game would have been better trade on?  Did you think the England game was better before the matches?  I don't doubt the validity of the trades you've posted (and frankly asking for screenshots brings into question Blatchs integrity and i'm fairly certain he's a stand up guy who isn't looking to bullshit some results) but do you think the results since the new year are simply down to poor luck or do you think you've made some judgemental errors?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 09:52:47 AM
I've played a lot of SNGs with arbboy (I no longer play them) on betfair and rated him as a bad reg that grinded out the leaderboards.  I'm sure he trades a lot better than his SNG skills!

Anyway, arbboy is making lots of good points.  Blatch, in hindsight would you agree the Korea game would have been better trade on?  Did you think the England game was better before the matches?  I don't doubt the validity of the trades you've posted (and frankly asking for screenshots brings into question Blatchs integrity and i'm fairly certain he's a stand up guy who isn't looking to bullshit some results) but do you think the results since the new year are simply down to poor luck or do you think you've made some judgemental errors?

I'm sure if arbboy had come on and posted what you have there Rupert, that Blatch would have answered pretty much immediately.

However, I'm sure the attempted character assassination and ridiculous repetition in arbboy's post obviously show an agenda that goes beyond that of someone who is 'concerned' for some people who have invested a few hundred pounds. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: EvilPie on June 16, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
I've played a lot of SNGs with arbboy (I no longer play them) on betfair and rated him as a bad reg that grinded out the leaderboards.  I'm sure he trades a lot better than his SNG skills!

Anyway, arbboy is making lots of good points.  Blatch, in hindsight would you agree the Korea game would have been better trade on?  Did you think the England game was better before the matches?  I don't doubt the validity of the trades you've posted (and frankly asking for screenshots brings into question Blatchs integrity and i'm fairly certain he's a stand up guy who isn't looking to bullshit some results) but do you think the results since the new year are simply down to poor luck or do you think you've made some judgemental errors?

I'm sure if arbboy had come on and posted what you have there Rupert, that Blatch would have answered pretty much immediately.

However, I'm sure the attempted character assassination and ridiculous repetition in arbboy's post obviously show an agenda that goes beyond that of someone who is 'concerned' for some people who have invested a few hundred pounds. 

I don't think a character assassination is going to bother Blatch.

He's a mature man in his 30's after all.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: booder on June 16, 2010, 10:51:15 AM


I don't think a character assassination is going to bother Blatch.

He's a mature man in his 30's after all.

solid


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 16, 2010, 11:05:44 AM
I have been an avid viewer of this thread and believe that Arboy has really put a huge bad karma hit on it.

You should all get behind blatch, and keep the good karma rolling

Blatch has told people why he didnt trade korea - not sure why they keep going on about it

Bring the love back to this thread and move on.............................................


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: BAM on June 16, 2010, 11:07:50 AM
I have been an avid viewer of this thread and believe that Arboy has really put a huge bad karma hit on it.

You should all get behind blatch, and keep the good karma rolling

Blatch has told people why he didnt trade korea - not sure why they keep going on about it

Bring the love back to this thread and move on.............................................

yea lots of love people

dig deep blatchness


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: boldie on June 16, 2010, 11:18:10 AM
I have been an avid viewer of this thread and believe that Arboy has really put a huge bad karma hit on it.

You should all get behind blatch, and keep the good karma rolling

Blatch has told people why he didnt trade korea - not sure why they keep going on about it

Bring the love back to this thread and move on.............................................

Very much this. I used to like this thread and now it's gone all negative.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ForthThistle on June 16, 2010, 11:22:36 AM
Blatch is da nuts.

Jog on arbboy..


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: leethefish on June 16, 2010, 11:25:34 AM
Blatch is da nuts.

Jog on arbboy..
agreed Tc 3c


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 16, 2010, 11:27:38 AM
I've played a lot of SNGs with arbboy (I no longer play them) on betfair and rated him as a bad reg that grinded out the leaderboards.  I'm sure he trades a lot better than his SNG skills!

Anyway, arbboy is making lots of good points.  Blatch, in hindsight would you agree the Korea game would have been better trade on?  Did you think the England game was better before the matches?  I don't doubt the validity of the trades you've posted (and frankly asking for screenshots brings into question Blatchs integrity and i'm fairly certain he's a stand up guy who isn't looking to bullshit some results) but do you think the results since the new year are simply down to poor luck or do you think you've made some judgemental errors?

Most people know Blatch so he isn't going to be bothered by one stalker who watches in the distance while he has the odd spin at roulette. The personal attacks ARE out of line though.

However, I don't agree that asking for screenshots is questioning his integrity. My money wouldn't be involved if I was doubting his integrity and I'm sure Blatch wouldn't stake me if he questioned mine etc etc etc.

However, I can't think of a staking agreement where stakers don't have access to viewing results/progess through an official source or have access to the stakee's account/s. Blatch can post profit/loss sheets or just pm them individually to stakers.

No-one will have any information about how he's working his magic, but it is basically the correct thing to do and a good way to silence things when the thread gets like it's gotten in the last few days.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 16, 2010, 11:29:37 AM
I will try to update this thread with our posistion on every game that I trade on.  One thing I wont do is give out the password to the account to anyone, however I will gladly send screenshots to anyone and also open up the account to anyone at DTD for anyone to have a look out.  I feel if I give the password out to people then they can go in any chnage things etc and it could lead to issues.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: AndrewT on June 16, 2010, 11:36:43 AM
I have been an avid viewer of this thread and believe that Arboy has really put a huge bad karma hit on it.

You should all get behind blatch, and keep the good karma rolling

Blatch has told people why he didnt trade korea - not sure why they keep going on about it

Bring the love back to this thread and move on.............................................

Very much this. I used to like this thread and now it's gone all negative.

Very good.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 11:48:58 AM
I like blatch we played live together in a huge tourney and he is a wonderful human being


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Girgy85 on June 16, 2010, 11:49:59 AM
I also like blatch! We share the same birthday but im glad im still in my 20's!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 11:53:07 AM
I would like to buy him a present. Which does he prefer curlywurlies or wham bars?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dry em on June 16, 2010, 12:53:38 PM
wtf is all this ranting. Can't be bothered reading it, but any way to make this thread read only to everyone but Blatch? I'm sure no one cares about comments from anyone else....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: T_Mar on June 16, 2010, 01:04:52 PM
wtf is all this ranting. Can't be bothered reading it, but any way to make this thread read only to everyone but Blatch? I'm sure no one cares about comments from anyone else....

This. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: StuartHopkin on June 16, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
Hopkin cliffnote special

Blatch gambles good
Blatch gets staked roll
Blatch runs good
Blatch runs bad
Blatch misses one game
Trading police arive in the shape of arbboy
Some people want P+L
Trading police accuse Blatch of being too poor to play $5/$10
Blatch goes down for 5 years
Hopkin thanks the day he put his money in the fruit machine




Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Scottish Dave on June 16, 2010, 01:11:21 PM
Lololololol

Just cought up on the thread, haven't read in for a month.

The last 10 pages have been the best ever!!!

Arbboy you are my hero lol


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:38:21 PM
still awaiting answers to the simpliest bunch of questions ever asked.  I am expecting something more detailed and professional than 'i went to leics races' 'money was tied up in the england game' and 'you are not welcome on this thread'


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 16, 2010, 01:40:35 PM
someone point arrbo into the direction of the flushy thread, when he finds out that a guy who has won 2 wcoops is getting staked for 1.5k events he might actually blow up.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 16, 2010, 01:42:33 PM
someone point arrbo into the direction of the flushy thread, when he finds out that a guy who has won 2 wcoops is getting staked for 1.5k events he might actually blow up.

hahahaha


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 01:44:37 PM
Maybe you should show him how it's done, here's a simple question for you... do you have aspergers syndrome?

I am expecting something more detailed and professional than "no"


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:44:59 PM
a lot more variance in 3000 runner mtts than sitting in a 'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame i would imagine.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:46:32 PM
i dont have £80k of other peoples money when my own bankroll cant finanace a very soft 5/10 cash game.  Therefore i dont have to answer questions.  Its a benefit of not being staked that you dont have to answer to people.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: iwillwinlots on June 16, 2010, 01:46:43 PM
a lot more variance in 3000 runner mtts than sitting in a 'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame i would imagine.

hahaha


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 16, 2010, 01:47:33 PM
no one tell him that flushy plays dice/balls out of control/sports bets of he might just assplode


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 16, 2010, 01:48:57 PM
i dont have £80k of other peoples money when my own bankroll cant finanace a very soft 5/10 cash game.  Therefore i dont have to answer questions.  Its a benefit of not being staked that you dont have to answer to trolls with a clear hidden agenda that is nothing to do with the game they are accusing him of criminally missing out on.

FYP


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 01:53:12 PM
Really simple to answer the questions i have asked.  If he has nothing to hide just answer them.  I am sure all his investors would like to know the answers to the questions i have raised.  Maybe being exposed to his loyal gang of poker followers by someone who actually knows the sports game has stunned him into silence.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dry em on June 16, 2010, 01:58:16 PM
so now james keys has posted who is a highly respectable poker player regarding doubts about the scheme.  I could name the 2 guys who asked me about investing in this privately several months ago.  I wont but they are both massively well known in uk poker circles and on blonde and they both know who they are and i gtd everyone on this thread will know both of them. 

lol what is the relevance of you knowing a couple of poker players?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 16, 2010, 01:59:25 PM
Arbboy, with respect, that's enough please. You've made your point repeatedly and have been given rein to do so. Now all you are doing is winding people up. Let blatch respond, if he wishes to, though I dare say he is likely if he feels harangued by someone resembling a broken record. Thanks


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on June 16, 2010, 02:05:15 PM
Arbboy why are you so angry? Were you picked on at school, everyone is happy with what's been going on now for the last 8 months apart from you, stop name dropping and going on and on and on, if people arnt happy they can easy drop out

Plus I would love to see a heads up game with you and Mr B


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 16, 2010, 02:08:58 PM
I can only speak for myself obv but:

I sold some small slices this year, yet I could afford not to.  Why did I do it?  Dunno really, but it wasn't  $$ orientated, some of it was for shits and giggles and give people a funking slice of action, as I in turn have taken a few slices of others.

what I expect of Blatch:

Update the outcome of each game
No running positions in game
Keep a decent record of my $$
Send it to me afterwards

Err.... that's it ~ and that is probably pretty much the same for most.  I am happy for him to spin it up as risk-loving/risk-averse as he sees fit.

What I don't expect of Blatch:

To offer a professional investment service.
To put his life on hold to trade on my behalf with no charge.  
To consult with anyone else about anticipated market moves before getting on - I am backing his opinion and if he wants to swim against the tide of general 'expert' consensus, fine by me.

IIRC at the start, the gig was that Blatch was experimenting in this field, his end was that he got a boil-in-the-bag BR from everyone, and may end up with a 2% bf account at the end of it.  There wasn't any hard sell or guarantees.  Our end was that we had zero effort as sleeping investors, no charges, mgmt fees or anything else - up to us if we want to leave "a drink"

That seemed a pretty decent deal to me, so I shipped $$.  If others decided it wasn't a good spot, I imagine they chose not to.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 16, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
What Simon said.




But also





'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'


'very soft' $5/$10 cashgame'




Why is that all you say arbboy? You come across quite impressively poorly.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 16, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
Neil please can you post up, from the football trading account a statement of all activity by month for the last 3 months?

Pops is now on the thread and wants to see.

Cheers,

arse

Thirdpartyinfluencaments


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 02:13:57 PM
just answer the questions.  Its really simple.  I am not asking anything out of order or offensive.  Surely everyone who has invested in this would like to know the answers?  Numerous people on here have said i have made several very valid points so i just dont understand why there hasnt been a response to these if there is nothing to hide.  I will leave it at that because its obvious the blonde clique are getting upset.  i dont expect a response as the kid who msn me regarding disappointment at his returns and delayed payment yday has already msn me and said blatch isnt going to respond to any of my legit questions so there seems little point going on.  Obviously balance and non offensive free speech isnt welcome on this forum


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 16, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
just answer the questions.  Its really simple.  I am not asking anything out of order or offensive.  Surely everyone who has invested in this would like to know the answers?  Numerous people on here have said i have made several very valid points so i just dont understand why there hasnt been a response to these if there is nothing to hide.  I will leave it at that because its obvious the blonde clique are getting upset.  i dont expect a response as the kid who msn me regarding disappointment at his returns and delayed payment yday has already msn me and said blatch isnt going to respond to any of my legit questions so there seems little point going on.  Obviously balance and non offensive free speech isnt welcome on this forum


JAMES 'yeah name dropping' Keys told you to shut up and you didn't (twice, and it was v good advice) , I don't believe you will now. You probably need to post again, what was that about again oh yeah  'A VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME'.....


Valid points can be made, but then diluted by so much ungrammatical and horribly laid out repetitive drivel that it just looks like you have an axe to grind.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Can somebody link the cash game staking thread, I've heard the games are soft so I'd like to invest.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 16, 2010, 02:21:01 PM
Can somebody link the cash game staking thread, I've heard the games are soft so I'd like to invest.


Is that to the VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME?


would it be that VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME?

or some other VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 16, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
Can somebody link the cash game staking thread, I've heard the games are soft so I'd like to invest.


Is that to the VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME?


would it be that VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME?

or some other VERY SOFT 5/10 CASH GAME?

but i dont even play 5//10  :dontask:


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
I don't even need to see the thread to know I want in. Where do I send $$$'s?

Wouldn't mind taking a % of the roulette spin too pls.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 02:30:35 PM
just answer the questions.  Its really simple.  I am not asking anything out of order or offensive.  Surely everyone who has invested in this would like to know the answers?  Numerous people on here have said i have made several very valid points so i just dont understand why there hasnt been a response to these if there is nothing to hide.  I will leave it at that because its obvious the blonde clique are getting upset.  i dont expect a response as the kid who msn me regarding disappointment at his returns and delayed payment yday has already msn me and said blatch isnt going to respond to any of my legit questions so there seems little point going on.  Obviously balance and non offensive free speech isnt welcome on this forum

You've already been asked to give it a rest. 

Blatch does not have to respond to your posts.  He keeps in touch with his stakers via PM, text, etc., - seriously, what has it got to do with you?  You're not that important despite the fact you know some poker players and post private MSN conversations on here against the wishes of the other party.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 16, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
Let's get back to the 5/10 game. ITS VERY SOFT.




REPETITION FTW


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 02:33:30 PM
just answer the questions.  Its really simple.  I am not asking anything out of order or offensive.  Surely everyone who has invested in this would like to know the answers?  Numerous people on here have said i have made several very valid points so i just dont understand why there hasnt been a response to these if there is nothing to hide.  I will leave it at that because its obvious the blonde clique are getting upset.  i dont expect a response as the kid who msn me regarding disappointment at his returns and delayed payment yday has already msn me and said blatch isnt going to respond to any of my legit questions so there seems little point going on.  Obviously balance and non offensive free speech isnt welcome on this forum

Is that all 100% true?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 16, 2010, 02:37:08 PM
must resist urge to keep typing the same thing..............



soft 5/10 cash games lolz


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 16, 2010, 02:37:17 PM
Hey arbboy

There's no clique in operation here

You've also had repeated opportunities on this thread to have free speech

You've been asked to stop, because as you can see you are winding people up. Now people are winding you up back. That's only going to lead to trouble. Which the mods wish to avoid.

I am also informed that the subsequent conversations you claim to have had with your msn pal in fact you haven't had. So lets not over-egg it please

Cool it, please.




Everyone else, thread back on track please. thanks


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 16, 2010, 02:44:01 PM
I couldn't even beat the 1/2 game FMEL.

Arbboy,you obviously know your stuff but as your very keen to get answers I thought I'll shoot you a couple of questions;Why do you think Blatch should answer to you ? I am not an investor in this and thus I wouldn't expect Blatch to owe me any kind of explanation for what he does.Secondly why do you care if people on here knock it in investing in Blatch,everyone had the chance to get out with profit at the end of the season so anybody who's in now is in because they want to be so why do you care ?



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 16, 2010, 02:46:37 PM
op sais blatch shows people the balance at dtd on request. /argument?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 16, 2010, 02:51:45 PM
I doubt that arbboy does know his stuff to be honest. His results might be ok and he knows one way to trade but his logical inferences as to Blatch's trading might be utter bollox.

He's posted so much crap about conclusions drawn from a guy gwtting staked in a 5/10 cash game and free speech rant when the mods have let him post like a troll that I have every reason to suspect he's talking as much bollox as to what can be inferred from a guy failing to trade on a South Korea/Greece game where the price shifted a lot.

Aftertime much?  


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 16, 2010, 02:54:37 PM
Sigh why did I get involved this is so obv a joint account FML


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 16, 2010, 02:55:45 PM
Sigh why did I get involved this is so obv a joint account FML

it's not.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 16, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
Anyone who reads betfair forum knows Arbboy loves to go on and on and on and on and on :)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ripple11 on June 16, 2010, 03:24:42 PM


Bring on Friday.............not sure who's going to more nervous Blatch or Green :D


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: BAM on June 16, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
Anyone who reads betfair forum knows Arbboy loves to go on and on and on and on and on :)

OMG is it him!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ironside on June 16, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Anyone who reads betfair forum knows Arbboy loves to go on and on and on and on and on :)

OMG is it him!!!
cant be i heard betfair and him had a fallout, and he aint name dropped dn yet


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 16, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
No didnt mean a reference to Ariston. Just meant Arbboy likes to continue "discussions" as seen on betfair


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: BAM on June 16, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
No didnt mean a reference to Ariston. Just meant Arbboy likes to continue "discussions" as seen on betfair

phew

Though I'm getting to dislike arrboy just as much as I do Ariston


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DUNK619 on June 16, 2010, 04:02:30 PM
I doubt that arbboy does know his stuff to be honest. His results might be ok and he knows one way to trade but his logical inferences as to Blatch's trading might be utter bollox.

He's posted so much crap about conclusions drawn from a guy gwtting staked in a 5/10 cash game and free speech rant when the mods have let him post like a troll that I have every reason to suspect he's talking as much bollox as to what can be inferred from a guy failing to trade on a South Korea/Greece game where the price shifted a lot.

Aftertime much?  
  maybe he went to the brent horner academy of aftertiming


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 16, 2010, 05:01:38 PM
I havent replied till now because I went out last night and was in a pretty bad mood.  Ive also had a few things to do this morning and wanted to re read a few messages before I posted.  I dont feel that I have to reply but seeing as this is now over 13 pages of crap written its probably best that I do.  Ill try to answer as many questions that I can and hopefully put a finish on this so we can move on a bit.

Firstly Mark, and im assuming your Mark Wilson, I really dont know why you have this passionate hate for me.  Im not sure if you remember but around a year ago at DTD you had been drinking a bit and decided to sit at a cash game where I was playing whilst waiting for George to finish in the comp.  You simply sat down and played 6 hands in an hour and instead of playing you simply threw abuse at me for an hour.  I sat there and took assuming you were drunk and not really sure who you were.  The comments from you such as "I know who you are but im not telling you who I am" etc I found a bit weird.  It got to the point where 2 people and the dealer complained about the abuse and eventually 2 left because of it and then the game broke.  IIRC I had never spoken to you before nor even been at the same table.  So I can only assume that you hate me because your not known as "The Betfair Guy", im not claiming I am either but the sucess of this has to be the reason. 

As for some of your questions and other points you make, I think they have all been covered by other investors but if not ill try to cover most of them from memory.

I have never claimed to have any "information sources".  It is simply myself pricing up games and assuming / guessing / thinking which way the markets will move.  I apologise to my investors if they were led to believe different but I think this is quite clear on the OP and to all the investors that came on board.  I do however have places I look for reseeach / information / stats on the Internet and I have a spreadsheet of previous movements which I consult when certain factors are involved.

This South Korea vs Greece game, seems to be quite a big point for you.  It seems as if I have made a big mistake in missing this game, and yes, we could have made a big profit on this game.  I apologise to my investors if they were under the impression that I would be working on this trading 24/7 and treating it as my main job.  I also apologise if they thought I would be trading every single game, or if they thought I would be sacrificing my social life to do this.  As Simon Galloway points out on page 101, 2 posts off the bottom, he is quite clear as to what he expected and although I am annoyed I didnt see this one Im not going to apologise too much for it.  As already stated the whole of Saturday was going to be out for me, but I thought I would try to do the England game as previously it had worked well for me and more importantly the timing of the game wouldnt interfere at all with the rest of the day.

You also state that poker players have asked you about this.  I have no problem with you giving your advice but why dont you keep it to those that ask?  If you want to say im a joke and dont know what im doing to individuals that ask you directly then by all means tell them that, after all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You keep saying you have no axe to grind, but to myself and others it seems you clear do, from the events at DTD to over 14 pages of this now.

Your next point says you went to bet that I dont have a 2% commision account on page 91.  I have never claimed to have a 2% account and infact I hope I was quite open that this would be a new account and therefore the commision would have to start on 5%.  Again if I havent made this clear to anyone then I apologise.  Within the same point you claim I need staking for this.  The quite simple fact is that I dont.  This was however an experiment at the start of the season and again I hope I highlighted this quite well.  I wasnt sure if it was going to a sucess or not but I explained what I was hoping to do.  I didnt beg for staking nor did I force anyone to join.  The blonde forum has a great spirit about it and I believe investors saw an opputunity to hopefully make a few quid whilst having something to follow for the football season.  I hope I nevr portrayed this as a get rich quick scheme as this was never likely, but again if I did to anyone then I apologise.

For some weird reason you seem to think I have to know people to be good at this.  Your right, I probably dont know the top 5 players but I certainly know the number 1, and although I dont speak to him apart from when I see him maybe 2 or 3 times a year I dont see what this proves.   Why do I need to these players to make a profit?  Dont get me wrong it would help but its not a definate need.

Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

I think the next point you move onto was the roulette.  Its probably best that you dont listen to rumour like this but on this instance you are half correct.  Yes I did have a little play on the roulette and yes it was on the 28/29 section but it was £!k a spin and nor was it £50 notes.  I chucked over a bag of £20 notes that I had won at the cash game that night at DTD and spent just over half of it on around 4 or 5 spins.  I really dont see what I do with my cash is anyone business.

Next point - Staking.  I think this one has annoyed a few people as some of the greatest players in the World are staked, and each have their own reasons.  On some of the bigger events I like to sell a few % and for the cash game in Vegas I have sold half of my action.  There are many a reason why people get staked and normally lack of funds isnt one of them.  I could be mistaken but I believe Flushy is staked, Dubai is staked and even some of the Full Tilt red pros are staked full time.  I dont see staking as a weakness at all and so long as people are happy to stake me for certain events then ill keep offering it.  I still look at poker a sbeing a hobby.  A hobby that has produced me some good results and some very profitable ones.  I dont rely on poker for an income and maybe this is one of the reasons why I have had a few results.

Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

I believe the next point was about having the money in your account.  Funnily enough I dont see this as an option. 

I do feel slightly annoyed that everyone was hucky dory on here for around 7 or 8 months but as soon as I have 3 losers on the trot then people suddenyl want to see screenshots.  No-one ever questioned anything while things were going well but know its all different.  As I stated in the opening thread I would be happy to provide statements or even open the account up to people whilst at DTD.  I believe I have done this for 3 people involved and also 2 different people have watched me trade out of a game at DTD including Colchester Kev.  I do find it a bit insulting that people know want to see things but as said before I will do it.  I certainly wont be posting anything up on here for everyone to see but will happily supply things for investors only to see.

Finally it now seems that you are making MSN convo's up to further make me look bad.  I really dont see why your doing this but you really shouldnt involve others into this.  Tighty has confirmed that the other convo's didnt happen so why put this?

Im hoping this covers everything as I doubt im going to make such a reply again.  This really has annoyed me which is probably what you set out to achieve.  Again I just like to point out a few key statements: -

I have never claimed to know anyone that moves markets
I have never claimed to have a 2% account
I dont charge for what im doing
Im only doing this from my own judgement and was an experiment at the start of the season
I do have some money myself invested in this
I stand to gain a lot of knowledge from doing this which will help in other areas
I stand to gain an account that has a reduced commision.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 05:21:04 PM
Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

:D


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 05:33:03 PM
I havent replied till now because I went out last night and was in a pretty bad mood.  Ive also had a few things to do this morning and wanted to re read a few messages before I posted.  I dont feel that I have to reply but seeing as this is now over 13 pages of crap written its probably best that I do.  Ill try to answer as many questions that I can and hopefully put a finish on this so we can move on a bit.

Firstly Mark, and im assuming your Mark Wilson, I really dont know why you have this passionate hate for me.  Im not sure if you remember but around a year ago at DTD you had been drinking a bit and decided to sit at a cash game where I was playing whilst waiting for George to finish in the comp.  You simply sat down and played 6 hands in an hour and instead of playing you simply threw abuse at me for an hour.  I sat there and took assuming you were drunk and not really sure who you were.  The comments from you such as "I know who you are but im not telling you who I am" etc I found a bit weird.  It got to the point where 2 people and the dealer complained about the abuse and eventually 2 left because of it and then the game broke.  IIRC I had never spoken to you before nor even been at the same table.  So I can only assume that you hate me because your not known as "The Betfair Guy", im not claiming I am either but the sucess of this has to be the reason. 

As for some of your questions and other points you make, I think they have all been covered by other investors but if not ill try to cover most of them from memory.

I have never claimed to have any "information sources".  It is simply myself pricing up games and assuming / guessing / thinking which way the markets will move.  I apologise to my investors if they were led to believe different but I think this is quite clear on the OP and to all the investors that came on board.  I do however have places I look for reseeach / information / stats on the Internet and I have a spreadsheet of previous movements which I consult when certain factors are involved.

This South Korea vs Greece game, seems to be quite a big point for you.  It seems as if I have made a big mistake in missing this game, and yes, we could have made a big profit on this game.  I apologise to my investors if they were under the impression that I would be working on this trading 24/7 and treating it as my main job.  I also apologise if they thought I would be trading every single game, or if they thought I would be sacrificing my social life to do this.  As Simon Galloway points out on page 101, 2 posts off the bottom, he is quite clear as to what he expected and although I am annoyed I didnt see this one Im not going to apologise too much for it.  As already stated the whole of Saturday was going to be out for me, but I thought I would try to do the England game as previously it had worked well for me and more importantly the timing of the game wouldnt interfere at all with the rest of the day.

You also state that poker players have asked you about this.  I have no problem with you giving your advice but why dont you keep it to those that ask?  If you want to say im a joke and dont know what im doing to individuals that ask you directly then by all means tell them that, after all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You keep saying you have no axe to grind, but to myself and others it seems you clear do, from the events at DTD to over 14 pages of this now.

Your next point says you went to bet that I dont have a 2% commision account on page 91.  I have never claimed to have a 2% account and infact I hope I was quite open that this would be a new account and therefore the commision would have to start on 5%.  Again if I havent made this clear to anyone then I apologise.  Within the same point you claim I need staking for this.  The quite simple fact is that I dont.  This was however an experiment at the start of the season and again I hope I highlighted this quite well.  I wasnt sure if it was going to a sucess or not but I explained what I was hoping to do.  I didnt beg for staking nor did I force anyone to join.  The blonde forum has a great spirit about it and I believe investors saw an opputunity to hopefully make a few quid whilst having something to follow for the football season.  I hope I nevr portrayed this as a get rich quick scheme as this was never likely, but again if I did to anyone then I apologise.

For some weird reason you seem to think I have to know people to be good at this.  Your right, I probably dont know the top 5 players but I certainly know the number 1, and although I dont speak to him apart from when I see him maybe 2 or 3 times a year I dont see what this proves.   Why do I need to these players to make a profit?  Dont get me wrong it would help but its not a definate need.

Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

I think the next point you move onto was the roulette.  Its probably best that you dont listen to rumour like this but on this instance you are half correct.  Yes I did have a little play on the roulette and yes it was on the 28/29 section but it was £!k a spin and nor was it £50 notes.  I chucked over a bag of £20 notes that I had won at the cash game that night at DTD and spent just over half of it on around 4 or 5 spins.  I really dont see what I do with my cash is anyone business.

Next point - Staking.  I think this one has annoyed a few people as some of the greatest players in the World are staked, and each have their own reasons.  On some of the bigger events I like to sell a few % and for the cash game in Vegas I have sold half of my action.  There are many a reason why people get staked and normally lack of funds isnt one of them.  I could be mistaken but I believe Flushy is staked, Dubai is staked and even some of the Full Tilt red pros are staked full time.  I dont see staking as a weakness at all and so long as people are happy to stake me for certain events then ill keep offering it.  I still look at poker a sbeing a hobby.  A hobby that has produced me some good results and some very profitable ones.  I dont rely on poker for an income and maybe this is one of the reasons why I have had a few results.

Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

I believe the next point was about having the money in your account.  Funnily enough I dont see this as an option. 

I do feel slightly annoyed that everyone was hucky dory on here for around 7 or 8 months but as soon as I have 3 losers on the trot then people suddenyl want to see screenshots.  No-one ever questioned anything while things were going well but know its all different.  As I stated in the opening thread I would be happy to provide statements or even open the account up to people whilst at DTD.  I believe I have done this for 3 people involved and also 2 different people have watched me trade out of a game at DTD including Colchester Kev.  I do find it a bit insulting that people know want to see things but as said before I will do it.  I certainly wont be posting anything up on here for everyone to see but will happily supply things for investors only to see.

Finally it now seems that you are making MSN convo's up to further make me look bad.  I really dont see why your doing this but you really shouldnt involve others into this.  Tighty has confirmed that the other convo's didnt happen so why put this?

Im hoping this covers everything as I doubt im going to make such a reply again.  This really has annoyed me which is probably what you set out to achieve.  Again I just like to point out a few key statements: -

I have never claimed to know anyone that moves markets
I have never claimed to have a 2% account
I dont charge for what im doing
Im only doing this from my own judgement and was an experiment at the start of the season
I do have some money myself invested in this
I stand to gain a lot of knowledge from doing this which will help in other areas
I stand to gain an account that has a reduced commision.

tl;dr


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 16, 2010, 05:37:14 PM
Soviet, maybe me you and Blatch should hang out since we all look like old men?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 16, 2010, 05:38:53 PM
I havent replied till now because I went out last night and was in a pretty bad mood.  Ive also had a few things to do this morning and wanted to re read a few messages before I posted.  I dont feel that I have to reply but seeing as this is now over 13 pages of crap written its probably best that I do.  Ill try to answer as many questions that I can and hopefully put a finish on this so we can move on a bit.

Firstly Mark, and im assuming your Mark Wilson, I really dont know why you have this passionate hate for me.  Im not sure if you remember but around a year ago at DTD you had been drinking a bit and decided to sit at a cash game where I was playing whilst waiting for George to finish in the comp.  You simply sat down and played 6 hands in an hour and instead of playing you simply threw abuse at me for an hour.  I sat there and took assuming you were drunk and not really sure who you were.  The comments from you such as "I know who you are but im not telling you who I am" etc I found a bit weird.  It got to the point where 2 people and the dealer complained about the abuse and eventually 2 left because of it and then the game broke.  IIRC I had never spoken to you before nor even been at the same table.  So I can only assume that you hate me because your not known as "The Betfair Guy", im not claiming I am either but the sucess of this has to be the reason. 

As for some of your questions and other points you make, I think they have all been covered by other investors but if not ill try to cover most of them from memory.

I have never claimed to have any "information sources".  It is simply myself pricing up games and assuming / guessing / thinking which way the markets will move.  I apologise to my investors if they were led to believe different but I think this is quite clear on the OP and to all the investors that came on board.  I do however have places I look for reseeach / information / stats on the Internet and I have a spreadsheet of previous movements which I consult when certain factors are involved.

This South Korea vs Greece game, seems to be quite a big point for you.  It seems as if I have made a big mistake in missing this game, and yes, we could have made a big profit on this game.  I apologise to my investors if they were under the impression that I would be working on this trading 24/7 and treating it as my main job.  I also apologise if they thought I would be trading every single game, or if they thought I would be sacrificing my social life to do this.  As Simon Galloway points out on page 101, 2 posts off the bottom, he is quite clear as to what he expected and although I am annoyed I didnt see this one Im not going to apologise too much for it.  As already stated the whole of Saturday was going to be out for me, but I thought I would try to do the England game as previously it had worked well for me and more importantly the timing of the game wouldnt interfere at all with the rest of the day.

You also state that poker players have asked you about this.  I have no problem with you giving your advice but why dont you keep it to those that ask?  If you want to say im a joke and dont know what im doing to individuals that ask you directly then by all means tell them that, after all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You keep saying you have no axe to grind, but to myself and others it seems you clear do, from the events at DTD to over 14 pages of this now.

Your next point says you went to bet that I dont have a 2% commision account on page 91.  I have never claimed to have a 2% account and infact I hope I was quite open that this would be a new account and therefore the commision would have to start on 5%.  Again if I havent made this clear to anyone then I apologise.  Within the same point you claim I need staking for this.  The quite simple fact is that I dont.  This was however an experiment at the start of the season and again I hope I highlighted this quite well.  I wasnt sure if it was going to a sucess or not but I explained what I was hoping to do.  I didnt beg for staking nor did I force anyone to join.  The blonde forum has a great spirit about it and I believe investors saw an opputunity to hopefully make a few quid whilst having something to follow for the football season.  I hope I nevr portrayed this as a get rich quick scheme as this was never likely, but again if I did to anyone then I apologise.

For some weird reason you seem to think I have to know people to be good at this.  Your right, I probably dont know the top 5 players but I certainly know the number 1, and although I dont speak to him apart from when I see him maybe 2 or 3 times a year I dont see what this proves.   Why do I need to these players to make a profit?  Dont get me wrong it would help but its not a definate need.

Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

I think the next point you move onto was the roulette.  Its probably best that you dont listen to rumour like this but on this instance you are half correct.  Yes I did have a little play on the roulette and yes it was on the 28/29 section but it was £!k a spin and nor was it £50 notes.  I chucked over a bag of £20 notes that I had won at the cash game that night at DTD and spent just over half of it on around 4 or 5 spins.  I really dont see what I do with my cash is anyone business.

Next point - Staking.  I think this one has annoyed a few people as some of the greatest players in the World are staked, and each have their own reasons.  On some of the bigger events I like to sell a few % and for the cash game in Vegas I have sold half of my action.  There are many a reason why people get staked and normally lack of funds isnt one of them.  I could be mistaken but I believe Flushy is staked, Dubai is staked and even some of the Full Tilt red pros are staked full time.  I dont see staking as a weakness at all and so long as people are happy to stake me for certain events then ill keep offering it.  I still look at poker a sbeing a hobby.  A hobby that has produced me some good results and some very profitable ones.  I dont rely on poker for an income and maybe this is one of the reasons why I have had a few results.

Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

I believe the next point was about having the money in your account.  Funnily enough I dont see this as an option. 

I do feel slightly annoyed that everyone was hucky dory on here for around 7 or 8 months but as soon as I have 3 losers on the trot then people suddenyl want to see screenshots.  No-one ever questioned anything while things were going well but know its all different.  As I stated in the opening thread I would be happy to provide statements or even open the account up to people whilst at DTD.  I believe I have done this for 3 people involved and also 2 different people have watched me trade out of a game at DTD including Colchester Kev.  I do find it a bit insulting that people know want to see things but as said before I will do it.  I certainly wont be posting anything up on here for everyone to see but will happily supply things for investors only to see.

Finally it now seems that you are making MSN convo's up to further make me look bad.  I really dont see why your doing this but you really shouldnt involve others into this.  Tighty has confirmed that the other convo's didnt happen so why put this?

Im hoping this covers everything as I doubt im going to make such a reply again.  This really has annoyed me which is probably what you set out to achieve.  Again I just like to point out a few key statements: -

I have never claimed to know anyone that moves markets
I have never claimed to have a 2% account
I dont charge for what im doing
Im only doing this from my own judgement and was an experiment at the start of the season
I do have some money myself invested in this
I stand to gain a lot of knowledge from doing this which will help in other areas
I stand to gain an account that has a reduced commision.

Solid

FYP


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 05:53:25 PM
Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

:D

That would be incred.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ironside on June 16, 2010, 05:57:24 PM
Soviet, maybe me you and Blatch should hang out since we all look like old men?


only met blatch and i can honestly say i thought he was older than me


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 06:00:09 PM
Soviet, maybe me you and Blatch should hang out since we all look like old men?


only met blatch and i can honestly say i thought he was older than me

we met at the blonde bash, your out of order...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 06:09:36 PM
appreciate the reply.  Didnt think it was coming.  not sure how 'tighty' can confirm what happened on my msn given that he isnt in my office but that doesnt really matter.  Everything i have stated on this thread is 100% factual from my end.  I will leave the forum now and let you will get on with your scheme and wish you all the best with it.  Everyone seems happy with it.  People stating i am full of shi t might want to read my posts on the betfair prem charge for example and realise not many people would know how that works if i was just a random geezer with some needle.

You obviously come from a different school to me regarding staking but each to their own.  When i run a business (you state you are a professional punter as betfair is your main source of income) i prefer to keep 100% of my profits rather than give them to others because i cant manage my roll properly. All my mates and I would find it embarrassing asking on a public forum for staking into a £300 and £150 fo if you were happy to spunk a monkey or a grand away on a spin of a roulette wheel and we do joke about some of these staking threads.  But, like i say, each to their own if you want to be a professional punter and give half your winnings to someone else when he think you have a decent edge thats your business not mine.   I have nothing against you at all - i dont even know you.  

The time at dtd was a pissed up wind up to needle you a bit when a couple of mates of mine were at dtd.  They are both punters/poker players on bf and at the time you were asking for staking for a £300 fo and a £150 fo on the bf forum.  One of them said who fancies going to needle that guy a bit about how skint he must be to need staking into a £300 and £150 event as, even you would admit if you remember, u were sitting at the cash table giving it the big one and trash talking people at the table most hands that night.  If you werent giving it the big one at the cash table i doubt it would never of happened.   It was a bit of fun between a few pissed up lads and you were the unsuspecting bystander.  I am sorry if that night offended you but i dont think i said anything massively offensive.  

Then this thread started and i was asked about it like i said from several people regarding whether to invest.  I have to admit i didnt realise you werent taking a cut but it did make me wonder why you were doing it given you werent making a fair chunk for yourself.  I am naturally negative about anyone seeking staking given my views above.  Therefore i recommended they didnt invest.  







Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
appreciate the reply.  Didnt think it was coming.  not sure how 'tighty' can confirm what happened on my msn given that he isnt in my office but that doesnt really matter.  Everything i have stated on this thread is 100% factual from my end.  I will leave the forum now and let you will get on with your scheme and wish you all the best with it.  Everyone seems happy with it.  People stating i am full of shi t might want to read my posts on the betfair prem charge for example and realise not many people would know how that works if i was just a random geezer with some needle.

You obviously come from a different school to me regarding staking but each to their own.  When i run a business (you state you are a professional punter as betfair is your main source of income) i prefer to keep 100% of my profits rather than give them to others because i cant manage my roll properly. All my mates and I would find it embarrassing asking on a public forum for staking into a £300 and £150 fo if you were happy to spunk a monkey or a grand away on a spin of a roulette wheel and we do joke about some of these staking threads.  But, like i say, each to their own if you want to be a professional punter and give half your winnings to someone else when he think you have a decent edge thats your business not mine.   I have nothing against you at all - i dont even know you.  

The time at dtd was a pissed up wind up to needle you a bit when a couple of mates of mine were at dtd.  They are both punters/poker players on bf and at the time you were asking for staking for a £300 fo and a £150 fo on the bf forum.  One of them said who fancies going to needle that guy a bit about how skint he must be to need staking into a £300 and £150 event as, even you would admit if you remember, u were sitting at the cash table giving it the big one and trash talking people at the table most hands that night.  If you werent giving it the big one at the cash table i doubt it would never of happened.   It was a bit of fun between a few pissed up lads and you were the unsuspecting bystander.  I am sorry if that night offended you but i dont think i said anything massively offensive.  

Then this thread started and i was asked about it like i said from several people regarding whether to invest.  I have to admit i didnt realise you werent taking a cut but it did make me wonder why you were doing it given you werent making a fair chunk for yourself.  I am naturally negative about anyone seeking staking given my views above.  Therefore i recommended they didnt invest.  







tl;dr


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 16, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
so basically it was a personal attack from the start.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: stribling on June 16, 2010, 06:31:03 PM
Any money on South Africa??


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 16, 2010, 06:33:19 PM
appreciate the reply.  Didnt think it was coming.  not sure how 'tighty' can confirm what happened on my msn given that he isnt in my office but that doesnt really matter.  Everything i have stated on this thread is 100% factual from my end.  I will leave the forum now and let you will get on with your scheme and wish you all the best with it.  Everyone seems happy with it.  People stating i am full of shi t might want to read my posts on the betfair prem charge for example and realise not many people would know how that works if i was just a random geezer with some needle.

You obviously come from a different school to me regarding staking but each to their own.  When i run a business (you state you are a professional punter as betfair is your main source of income) i prefer to keep 100% of my profits rather than give them to others because i cant manage my roll properly. All my mates and I would find it embarrassing asking on a public forum for staking into a £300 and £150 fo if you were happy to spunk a monkey or a grand away on a spin of a roulette wheel and we do joke about some of these staking threads.  But, like i say, each to their own if you want to be a professional punter and give half your winnings to someone else when he think you have a decent edge thats your business not mine.   I have nothing against you at all - i dont even know you.  

The time at dtd was a pissed up wind up to needle you a bit when a couple of mates of mine were at dtd.  They are both punters/poker players on bf and at the time you were asking for staking for a £300 fo and a £150 fo on the bf forum.  One of them said who fancies going to needle that guy a bit about how skint he must be to need staking into a £300 and £150 event as, even you would admit if you remember, u were sitting at the cash table giving it the big one and trash talking people at the table most hands that night.  If you werent giving it the big one at the cash table i doubt it would never of happened.   It was a bit of fun between a few pissed up lads and you were the unsuspecting bystander.  I am sorry if that night offended you but i dont think i said anything massively offensive.  

Then this thread started and i was asked about it like i said from several people regarding whether to invest.  I have to admit i didnt realise you werent taking a cut but it did make me wonder why you were doing it given you werent making a fair chunk for yourself.  I am naturally negative about anyone seeking staking given my views above.  Therefore i recommended they didnt invest.  







So yet another person on the net who stirs the hornets nest, claims he knows everything and finds out he can't read, doesn't understand and is just an arse.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 06:33:34 PM
the DTD bit of drunken fun was but everything i have stated in this thread regarding this investment has no needle attached to it at all and the questions i asked were totally serious and exactly the questions i would have asked if i was involved financially in the scheme.  I am amazed more people havent asked what i have but, like i say, each to their own.  Everyone is happy.  Ok thats it for me.  


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 16, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
appreciate the reply.  Didnt think it was coming.  not sure how 'tighty' can confirm what happened on my msn given that he isnt in my office but that doesnt really matter.  Everything i have stated on this thread is 100% factual from my end.  I will leave the forum now and let you will get on with your scheme and wish you all the best with it.  Everyone seems happy with it.  People stating i am full of shi t might want to read my posts on the betfair prem charge for example and realise not many people would know how that works if i was just a random geezer with some needle.

You obviously come from a different school to me regarding staking but each to their own.  When i run a business (you state you are a professional punter as betfair is your main source of income) i prefer to keep 100% of my profits rather than give them to others because i cant manage my roll properly. All my mates and I would find it embarrassing asking on a public forum for staking into a £300 and £150 fo if you were happy to spunk a monkey or a grand away on a spin of a roulette wheel and we do joke about some of these staking threads.  But, like i say, each to their own if you want to be a professional punter and give half your winnings to someone else when he think you have a decent edge thats your business not mine.   I have nothing against you at all - i dont even know you. 

The time at dtd was a pissed up wind up to needle you a bit when a couple of mates of mine were at dtd.  They are both punters/poker players on bf and at the time you were asking for staking for a £300 fo and a £150 fo on the bf forum.  One of them said who fancies going to needle that guy a bit about how skint he must be to need staking into a £300 and £150 event as, even you would admit if you remember, u were sitting at the cash table giving it the big one and trash talking people at the table most hands that night.  If you werent giving it the big one at the cash table i doubt it would never of happened.   It was a bit of fun between a few pissed up lads and you were the unsuspecting bystander.  I am sorry if that night offended you but i dont think i said anything massively offensive. 

Then this thread started and i was asked about it like i said from several people regarding whether to invest.  I have to admit i didnt realise you werent taking a cut but it did make me wonder why you were doing it given you werent making a fair chunk for yourself.  I am naturally negative about anyone seeking staking given my views above.  Therefore i recommended they didnt invest. 


That isn't the case, and so therefore it's hard to believe anything else you've said.

It started out as a personal attack, it continued as such, and amongst it all you even made one or two valid points - but amongst the 99% that is just bollocks it was lost.  The fact you might know the industry inside out, might be the best poker player of all time and know all the other best players, can give the best advice in the world about football trading, and whatever else - is completely irrelevant to Blatch and this staking. 

You ask again why Blatch offered this staking in the football trading.  Again, read the first post on the thread, and then read the long and courteous reply he posted today.  More than likely you'll just ignore both and post something about the $5/$10 cash games in Vegas.  I believe they're quite soft?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: gatso on June 16, 2010, 06:40:32 PM

The time at dtd was a pissed up wind up to needle you a bit when a couple of mates of mine were at dtd.  They are both punters/poker players on bf and at the time you were asking for staking for a £300 fo and a £150 fo on the bf forum.  One of them said who fancies going to needle that guy a bit about how skint he must be to need staking into a £300 and £150 event as, even you would admit if you remember, u were sitting at the cash table giving it the big one and trash talking people at the table most hands that night.  If you werent giving it the big one at the cash table i doubt it would never of happened.   It was a bit of fun between a few pissed up lads and you were the unsuspecting bystander.  I am sorry if that night offended you but i dont think i said anything massively offensive. 


well, if the previous 20 pages didn't succeed in showing you up as a tosser you certainly got there with this paragraph


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 16, 2010, 06:41:07 PM
Soviet, maybe me you and Blatch should hang out since we all look like old men?


only met blatch and i can honestly say i thought he was older than me

Never met him but heard he's older than tikay.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 16, 2010, 06:43:02 PM
the DTD bit of drunken fun was but everything i have stated in this thread regarding this investment has no needle attached to it at all and the questions i asked were totally serious and exactly the questions i would have asked if i was involved financially in the scheme.  I am amazed more people havent asked what i have but, like i say, each to their own.  Everyone is happy.  Ok thats it for me.  

Lol attempted character assassination followed by a sharp exit after a FAIL!

Door. Ass. Way out.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 16, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
Either this guy is secretly jealous of Blatch or he secretly fancies him imo


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
 amongst it all you even made one or two valid points - but amongst the 99% that is just bollocks it was lost.
inv
please list anything i stated regarding football betting that is anything other than 100% factual please.  Everything i have stated regarding the investment scheme and staking are 100% factual correct.  There is no needle here at all.  If i had £10k plus invested in this (like some have) and i missed out on the biggest opportunity at the world cup i would be annoyed to say the least.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 16, 2010, 06:51:50 PM
Actually just realised he is trying to get to 300 posts so he can put up a staking thread


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 16, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
amongst it all you even made one or two valid points - but amongst the 99% that is just bollocks it was lost.
inv
please list anything i stated regarding football betting that is anything other than 100% factual please.  Everything i have stated regarding the investment scheme and staking are 100% factual correct.  There is no needle here at all.  If i had £10k plus invested in this (like some have) and i missed out on the biggest opportunity at the world cup i would be annoyed to say the least.

yawn...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: leethefish on June 16, 2010, 06:53:24 PM
the DTD bit of drunken fun was but everything i have stated in this thread regarding this investment has no needle attached to it at all and the questions i asked were totally serious and exactly the questions i would have asked if i was involved financially in the scheme.  I am amazed more people havent asked what i have but, like i say, each to their own.  Everyone is happy.  Ok thats it for me.  

Lol attempted character assassination followed by a sharp exit after a FAIL!

Door. Ass. Way out.
TAXI for arbboy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 06:54:39 PM
Either this guy is secretly jealous of Blatch or he secretly fancies him imo

did u get 'this guy' and 'blatch' the wrong way around?  He dreams about having a roll and a 2% account or maybe he just likes giving half his profits away to stakers rather than keeping them for himself.  Surely the investors here would love the scheme to have a 2% account free from the premium charge as well.  Would massively increase their returns.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 16, 2010, 06:54:54 PM
Either this guy is secretly jealous of Blatch or he secretly fancies him imo

Clearly likes the mature type.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: stribling on June 16, 2010, 06:56:26 PM
I use to get excited when this thread jumped to the top of the list...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 16, 2010, 06:59:09 PM
I think arrboy might of had a point can we discuss all this again....................... you lost me at 2%


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 16, 2010, 06:59:48 PM
ok guys I am going to propose a truce please, so we can get a thread back on track

arbboy, you've made your point and had it answered. Enough, please?

Those having a go at arbboy, you've also made your feelings clear. Back to Blatch's trades please?


thank you


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 16, 2010, 09:02:35 PM
Arbboy clearly knows his stuff but that didn't entitle him to act like he did on this thread.

Neither did missing one game warrant the intrusion into every detail of Blatch's life and somehow questioning his integrity.

I've never heard anyone say a bad word about the guy tbh,seems to be as genuine as they come.

All of arbboy's arguements were flawed and based totally on incorrect assumptions,most of which were detailed in the op.It was pretty clear from the start that this was an experimental enterprise and that obviously as he was not being paid to do it that he wouldn't be putting every waking hour into it and nor should he.

Arbboy you were asked for your professional opinion privately,you should have given that opinion privately to those who asked for it,to come on here and invade the mans thread trying to make him look stupid,dishonest and in general questioning his integrity and motives was well out of line.

And i'm not in the clique either,just wanted to help bring some balance to the thread,seeing as you strived so hard for it but failed.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sweet potata! on June 16, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
Arbboy clearly knows his stuff but that didn't entitle him to act like he did on this thread.

Neither did missing one game warrant the intrusion into every detail of Blatch's life and somehow questioning his integrity.

I've never heard anyone say a bad word about the guy tbh,seems to be as genuine as they come.

All of arbboy's arguements were flawed and based totally on incorrect assumptions,most of which were detailed in the op.It was pretty clear from the start that this was an experimental enterprise and that obviously as he was not being paid to do it that he wouldn't be putting every waking hour into it and nor should he.

Arbboy you were asked for your professional opinion privately,you should have given that opinion privately to those who asked for it,to come on here and invade the mans thread trying to make him look stupid,dishonest and in general questioning his integrity and motives was well out of line.

And i'm not in the clique either,just wanted to help bring some balance to the thread,seeing as you strived so hard for it but failed.

Couldn't agree more, good post.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 16, 2010, 09:18:21 PM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, their aim was to trade for the investors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 16, 2010, 09:44:48 PM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, there aim was to trade for the invetors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


The whole thing is nearly done. Why would anyone ask questions now many many months after the start ? I don't think it needs to be asked if he is using the money for other stuff. If he was why would he open a specific account to use for the purpose with the offer that investors can get live access at DTD or screenshots ? Was anyone really stupid enough to invest before being happy to to including asking any questions they thought prudent beforehand ?

Commission rates can make a difference sure but it was clear at the outset it was a brand new account.

It's been a while since i saw a troll have so much effect.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 16, 2010, 09:56:00 PM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, there aim was to trade for the invetors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


The whole thing is nearly done. Why would anyone ask questions now many many months after the start ? I don't think it needs to be asked if he is using the money for other stuff. If he was why would he open a specific account to use for the purpose with the offer that investors can get live access at DTD or screenshots ? Was anyone really stupid enough to invest before being happy to to including asking any questions they thought prudent beforehand ?

Commission rates can make a difference sure but it was clear at the outset it was a brand new account.

It's been a while since i saw a troll have so much effect.

Sandy

hi Sandy, you make some good points but the level of reply to some of Arbboy's sensible posts show that not everyone has a full working knowledge of how a BF account with a lot of cash in  works regarding charges and commision. As for opening a new account to trade the games that would have to be done too, there would be no need for Blatch to give access to his current personal BF account. That wouldnt be fair to him unless he used it as proof that his record was as good as he said and his record running the syndicate shows that he does have a good knowledege of the markets and can trade the correct way in a high % of games.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 16, 2010, 10:12:24 PM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, there aim was to trade for the invetors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


The whole thing is nearly done. Why would anyone ask questions now many many months after the start ? I don't think it needs to be asked if he is using the money for other stuff. If he was why would he open a specific account to use for the purpose with the offer that investors can get live access at DTD or screenshots ? Was anyone really stupid enough to invest before being happy to to including asking any questions they thought prudent beforehand ?

Commission rates can make a difference sure but it was clear at the outset it was a brand new account.

It's been a while since i saw a troll have so much effect.

Sandy

hi Sandy, you make some good points but the level of reply to some of Arbboy's sensible posts show that not everyone has a full working knowledge of how a BF account with a lot of cash in  works regarding charges and commision.

 As for opening a new account to trade the games that would have to be done too, there would be no need for Blatch to give access to his current personal BF account.

 That wouldnt be fair to him unless he used it as proof that his record was as good as he said and his record running the syndicate shows that he does have a good knowledege of the markets and can trade the correct way in a high % of games.


Bobby,

1st part :- It is for investors to seek this knowledge. Blatch posted this on the betting and sports board and i think it's fair to assume any investor has at least minimal knowledge of betfair, access to betfair or doesn't really care.

2nd Part :- It was done. New account was opened at least i read that in this thread. As for history, i don't think Blatch went for a hard sell and since no personal profit was sought so it was up to investors to establish any risk and act accordingly and imo not for Blatch to prove anything.

To get so much grief when he has made money for most (everyone ?) is insane. I think any charge he might levy next year just went up substantially.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 16, 2010, 10:18:01 PM
Ignore the haters


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 16, 2010, 11:01:26 PM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, there aim was to trade for the invetors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


The whole thing is nearly done. Why would anyone ask questions now many many months after the start ? I don't think it needs to be asked if he is using the money for other stuff. If he was why would he open a specific account to use for the purpose with the offer that investors can get live access at DTD or screenshots ? Was anyone really stupid enough to invest before being happy to to including asking any questions they thought prudent beforehand ?

Commission rates can make a difference sure but it was clear at the outset it was a brand new account.

It's been a while since i saw a troll have so much effect.

Sandy

hi Sandy, you make some good points but the level of reply to some of Arbboy's sensible posts show that not everyone has a full working knowledge of how a BF account with a lot of cash in  works regarding charges and commision.

 As for opening a new account to trade the games that would have to be done too, there would be no need for Blatch to give access to his current personal BF account.

 That wouldnt be fair to him unless he used it as proof that his record was as good as he said and his record running the syndicate shows that he does have a good knowledege of the markets and can trade the correct way in a high % of games.


Bobby,

1st part :- It is for investors to seek this knowledge. Blatch posted this on the betting and sports board and i think it's fair to assume any investor has at least minimal knowledge of betfair, access to betfair or doesn't really care.

2nd Part :- It was done. New account was opened at least i read that in this thread. As for history, i don't think Blatch went for a hard sell and since no personal profit was sought so it was up to investors to establish any risk and act accordingly and imo not for Blatch to prove anything.

To get so much grief when he has made money for most (everyone ?) is insane. I think any charge he might levy next year just went up substantially.

Sandy

hi Sandy,

there is a chance that significant profit could be made  by using the fund to trade markets other than the footy games, I don't kow if that is the case but I dont think its an unfair question to ask given the account doesnt pay the Premium charge.

Point two, i agree with you again about the grief, it is unfair that a guy that can get results over a period of time gets stick but its in everyones best interests to know exactly how the fund is being used, if it is at all to benefit the trader.

If it is and the invetsors dont mind then it isnt a problem at all. I am sure if Batch is using the fund on other sports he is sensible enough to trade it carefully and without much exposure. I don't think for one minute anyones investment is at risk but if there is more to the fund it is in the possibilty that the trader has set up a syndicate and could use the funds to trade any other sports yet still deliver the amounts on football that his investors are very happy with and Blatch has certainly done that.

But that again leads to the Betfair account turning over those amounts and making a good profit not paying Premium charges, it cannot be done without paying these charges so I am simply looking for a way that could happen and trading the other events with the funds seems the most logical thing


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: stribling on June 17, 2010, 12:16:28 AM
Quote
Most people know on here that I trade on betfair for my main income now and Boldie's horse staking thing gave me an idea.  Towards the end of last football season I was trying something new on betfair that seemed  to work well and I would like to give it a proper go.

It is very different to what I normally do on betfair so I want to keep it completely seperate from my main account and im wanting people on here to buy a part of the staking fund for this.  I wont charge anything for this as I will gain the knowledge and experience of the market movements which will help me in other areas.  Obviously there are going to be some risks invovled however I would say that it should be virtually impossible for people to lose there investment fully. 

What I want to do is trade the prices of the football games that are being shown live on TV.  The movemenst can be huge and it is very possible to lock in a good profit before the match starts.  I dont want to go into it too much as I dont want others doing what I will be doing and taking any edge away.  I will trade the prices before the match and at Kick Off I will even up the profit, or the loss, so that we win or lose the exact same amount of each of the results.  This way there wont be any huge wins or any huge losses.  I am looking to do this for one football season and then split the profits at the end of the season and then maybe start again.

The good thing about this is that people can invest anything they want from £10 to £10k as I will trade with the whole balance each time and people will simply own a percentage of the bank.  I.e. If 3 people invest £100 and 1 person invests £200 then at the end of the season 3 will get 20% of the bank each and the £200 investor would get 40%.

Payments have to be made via cash or bank transfers as the exchange rates on poker transfers would lower investments and be hassle for me.

I will try to update this thread with our posistion on every game that I trade on.  One thing I wont do is give out the password to the account to anyone, however I will gladly send screenshots to anyone and also open up the account to anyone at DTD for anyone to have a look out.  I feel if I give the password out to people then they can go in any chnage things etc and it could lead to issues.

If anyone has questions then please feel free to fire away and ill try to answer anything I can.

Also if anyone would like to stay anonymous in this then please just PM me and ill try to keep it quiet.


Investments so far: £3,250
Some one point out in the last 50 pages of this slowly becoming poor thread that Blatch doesn't explain that makes any of the previous 12 pages 1. worth reading and 2. not pointless....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 17, 2010, 09:50:51 AM
ok I have removed everything after this post.

Apologies to those who made good points such as bobby1, but I ain't got the time to split stuff out individually.

No apologies to everyone else who ignored my previous post above and resorted to name calling, flaming, abuse and the rest..from all sides


(EDIT:  I'VE RECOVERED SOME OF THE 'CONSTRUCTIVE' POSTS THAT WERE MOVED WITH THE FLAMING/TROLLING POSTS)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 17, 2010, 10:38:35 AM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, there aim was to trade for the invetors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


The whole thing is nearly done. Why would anyone ask questions now many many months after the start ? I don't think it needs to be asked if he is using the money for other stuff. If he was why would he open a specific account to use for the purpose with the offer that investors can get live access at DTD or screenshots ? Was anyone really stupid enough to invest before being happy to to including asking any questions they thought prudent beforehand ?

Commission rates can make a difference sure but it was clear at the outset it was a brand new account.

It's been a while since i saw a troll have so much effect.

Sandy

hi Sandy, you make some good points but the level of reply to some of Arbboy's sensible posts show that not everyone has a full working knowledge of how a BF account with a lot of cash in  works regarding charges and commision.

 As for opening a new account to trade the games that would have to be done too, there would be no need for Blatch to give access to his current personal BF account.

 That wouldnt be fair to him unless he used it as proof that his record was as good as he said and his record running the syndicate shows that he does have a good knowledege of the markets and can trade the correct way in a high % of games.


Bobby,

1st part :- It is for investors to seek this knowledge. Blatch posted this on the betting and sports board and i think it's fair to assume any investor has at least minimal knowledge of betfair, access to betfair or doesn't really care.

2nd Part :- It was done. New account was opened at least i read that in this thread. As for history, i don't think Blatch went for a hard sell and since no personal profit was sought so it was up to investors to establish any risk and act accordingly and imo not for Blatch to prove anything.

To get so much grief when he has made money for most (everyone ?) is insane. I think any charge he might levy next year just went up substantially.

Sandy

hi Sandy,

there is a chance that significant profit could be made  by using the fund to trade markets other than the footy games, I don't kow if that is the case but I dont think its an unfair question to ask given the account doesnt pay the Premium charge.

Point two, i agree with you again about the grief, it is unfair that a guy that can get results over a period of time gets stick but its in everyones best interests to know exactly how the fund is being used, if it is at all to benefit the trader.

If it is and the invetsors dont mind then it isnt a problem at all. I am sure if Batch is using the fund on other sports he is sensible enough to trade it carefully and without much exposure. I don't think for one minute anyones investment is at risk but if there is more to the fund it is in the possibilty that the trader has set up a syndicate and could use the funds to trade any other sports yet still deliver the amounts on football that his investors are very happy with and Blatch has certainly done that.

But that again leads to the Betfair account turning over those amounts and making a good profit not paying Premium charges, it cannot be done without paying these charges so I am simply looking for a way that could happen and trading the other events with the funds seems the most logical thing

Hi Bobby,

Blatch said in the opening post"It is very different to what I normally do on betfair so I want to keep it completely seperate from my main account and im wanting people on here to buy a part of the staking fund for this.  I wont charge anything for this as I will gain the knowledge and experience of the market movements which will help me in other areas.  Obviously there are going to be some risks invovled however I would say that it should be virtually impossible for people to lose there investment fully. 

What I want to do is trade the prices of the football games that are being shown live on TV.  The movemenst can be huge and it is very possible to lock in a good profit before the match starts.  I dont want to go into it too much as I dont want others doing what I will be doing and taking any edge away.  I will trade the prices before the match and at Kick Off I will even up the profit, or the loss, so that we win or lose the exact same amount of each of the results.  This way there wont be any huge wins or any huge losses.  I am looking to do this for one football season and then split the profits at the end of the season and then maybe start again."

I don't think the fact something else could be happening is relevant. There is no allegation that i can see that it is happening and even if it were that any losses have been attributed to it. Let us not forget that any investor can ask Blatch at DTD for access to the account. It appears that he is there often enough that it really is a non issue. Did Blatch say the account doesn't pay premium charge now ? I would expect it does/will but i'd also expect an investor to think likewise.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 17, 2010, 10:50:36 AM
Seriously guys Arbboy makes some correct points. They are just made in the wrong tone.

It isnt possible to have a Betfair account that trades games into all green pre game and doesnt pay the Premium Charge, most of my trading business is done on there and the 20% is unavoidable if you are successful. As Arbboy states, you can only have a very successful Betfair account that doesnt pay the Premium charge if you have clear posistions that create commision over the long haul of many winners and many losers.

Given that is the case I think there is a question that the investors should be asking but I havent seen on this thread. What events, if any does Blatch trade using the bankroll he has accumulated for the football syndicate for his own beneift?


I know of a couple of people who have set up syndicates on other sports and been successful as Blatch is, there aim was to trade for the invetors at a profit on the sport and use the bankroll available from the syndicate to trade many other events for themselves.


This scenario is the only one I can think of that would host the funds of a profitable pre game price trader that has the record that Blatch has yet not pay Premium charge. If Blatch was using the fund to trade events for himself then he would genrerate a level of commision on the account through a set of winnign and losing that would leave that account paying no Premium charge.


The amount of cash avialable for trading football matches would show a decent % return for a trader/gambler to make good money from and provide a good return for the investors as Blatch is doing. It needs to be asked if that is what is happening, it might be that the invetsors are happy if that is happening as long as they keep getting the benefit of Blatch's football trading too.


The whole thing is nearly done. Why would anyone ask questions now many many months after the start ? I don't think it needs to be asked if he is using the money for other stuff. If he was why would he open a specific account to use for the purpose with the offer that investors can get live access at DTD or screenshots ? Was anyone really stupid enough to invest before being happy to to including asking any questions they thought prudent beforehand ?

Commission rates can make a difference sure but it was clear at the outset it was a brand new account.

It's been a while since i saw a troll have so much effect.

Sandy

hi Sandy, you make some good points but the level of reply to some of Arbboy's sensible posts show that not everyone has a full working knowledge of how a BF account with a lot of cash in  works regarding charges and commision.

 As for opening a new account to trade the games that would have to be done too, there would be no need for Blatch to give access to his current personal BF account.

 That wouldnt be fair to him unless he used it as proof that his record was as good as he said and his record running the syndicate shows that he does have a good knowledege of the markets and can trade the correct way in a high % of games.


Bobby,

1st part :- It is for investors to seek this knowledge. Blatch posted this on the betting and sports board and i think it's fair to assume any investor has at least minimal knowledge of betfair, access to betfair or doesn't really care.

2nd Part :- It was done. New account was opened at least i read that in this thread. As for history, i don't think Blatch went for a hard sell and since no personal profit was sought so it was up to investors to establish any risk and act accordingly and imo not for Blatch to prove anything.

To get so much grief when he has made money for most (everyone ?) is insane. I think any charge he might levy next year just went up substantially.

Sandy

hi Sandy,

there is a chance that significant profit could be made  by using the fund to trade markets other than the footy games, I don't kow if that is the case but I dont think its an unfair question to ask given the account doesnt pay the Premium charge.

Point two, i agree with you again about the grief, it is unfair that a guy that can get results over a period of time gets stick but its in everyones best interests to know exactly how the fund is being used, if it is at all to benefit the trader.

If it is and the invetsors dont mind then it isnt a problem at all. I am sure if Batch is using the fund on other sports he is sensible enough to trade it carefully and without much exposure. I don't think for one minute anyones investment is at risk but if there is more to the fund it is in the possibilty that the trader has set up a syndicate and could use the funds to trade any other sports yet still deliver the amounts on football that his investors are very happy with and Blatch has certainly done that.

But that again leads to the Betfair account turning over those amounts and making a good profit not paying Premium charges, it cannot be done without paying these charges so I am simply looking for a way that could happen and trading the other events with the funds seems the most logical thing

Hi Bobby,

Blatch said in the opening post"It is very different to what I normally do on betfair so I want to keep it completely seperate from my main account and im wanting people on here to buy a part of the staking fund for this.  I wont charge anything for this as I will gain the knowledge and experience of the market movements which will help me in other areas.  Obviously there are going to be some risks invovled however I would say that it should be virtually impossible for people to lose there investment fully. 

What I want to do is trade the prices of the football games that are being shown live on TV.  The movemenst can be huge and it is very possible to lock in a good profit before the match starts.  I dont want to go into it too much as I dont want others doing what I will be doing and taking any edge away.  I will trade the prices before the match and at Kick Off I will even up the profit, or the loss, so that we win or lose the exact same amount of each of the results.  This way there wont be any huge wins or any huge losses.  I am looking to do this for one football season and then split the profits at the end of the season and then maybe start again."

I don't think the fact something else could be happening is relevant. There is no allegation that i can see that it is happening and even if it were that any losses have been attributed to it. Let us not forget that any investor can ask Blatch at DTD for access to the account. It appears that he is there often enough that it really is a non issue. Did Blatch say the account doesn't pay premium charge now ? I would expect it does/will but i'd also expect an investor to think likewise.

Sandy

'I don't think the fact something else could be happening is relevant'

What drugs are you taking Sandy? That is perhaps the most stupid thing I've ever read on blonde.

For the record I've no doubt Blatch isn't doing and hasn't done anything outside of the stake with the money. I've also no doubt it's in a separate account within which he's done none of his own trades.

However, it might be easiest, certainly for Blatch is he gives his password to someone both trusted on blonde and a member of the stake...my suggestions would be Kinboshi or Skolsuper to verify this and we could say goodbye to arrboy once and for all.

The ONE small gripe I would have if any, as Blatch has done an overall great job on this is that he's not been as responsive as I would have liked or would have been myself if in his shoes.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 17, 2010, 11:06:38 AM
So he could have withdrawn the cash then obtained the actual cash from the bank and be sitting in his garden burning each note one at a time. In your opinion this is relevant ? If something is possible it's hardly relevant if there is no basis or substance to it.

Why does Blatch need to respond ? He has offered access to the account from the start to his investors. He has explained what he is doing. The questions were raised by a new id to the forum who isn't an investor and in almost all forums would be known as a troll albeit more successful than most.

If an investor has a question then ask Blatch. Even Fergus et al didn't get this much hassle.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 17, 2010, 11:27:10 AM
I have to say, having read all the drivel and trolling that arrboy produced Im inclined to agree with Cos on this. I have tried to post as little as possible on this thread as I am not involved in the stake.

However that also gives me an outsiders view to all this too, which I think can be helpful.

If I was in Blatchs' shoes, id be pretty pissed off that during the good times, all he had was whooping and hollering, and then he loses a few games and for some reason there is doubt. I mean his system seemed pretty solid (pun intended), but it strikes me that at the end of a season the markets might behave slightly differently (for a myriad of reasons). It also strikes me that the world cup being what it is, in both attracting more casual punters, and probably therefore greater volume, the markets may also react differently. As for Blatch missing 1 key game, well the focus on that is just a joke, and if any staker is pissed off about it, because a 3rd party chirps up, then go back and look at the first 60 pages of the thread!

It also strikes me that the sums involved caused a little stir. When it was £30-40 a game it was still an experiment, when it was 300-400 it was magic times, when it was 2-3k people could start dreaming. However, people must accept that the swings both up and down are a factor of the bank roll size. Losing 3k, is just a factor of having won so much over the season. The size of the betting and the relevance that then had against peoples lives did also seem to be an catalyst to the interst in the conspiracy.

Back on track, it does strike me that this could be resolved really easily. Blatch just fires up his lappy at dtd, or i think he and george both live nearby, if george is happy he can do it for convenience. Show the account, the trusted person then PM's the stakers - or even better then posts on  the thread (so i know obv). Again I am inclined to agree with Cos re Blatch. He was good enough to stake me, and i found no reason to distrust him at all, but sometimes his urgency and timing wasn't the same as mine. Well that is probably just the way he his. I think if you re-read the OP, the sentiment of the stake is very clear. I guess some people might have expected something to change when the bankroll increased, but i think from the tone of all his posts, blatch sees it as a % return on the bet, not necessarily the gross sum. Im sure many of the backers see the gross sum!

Lets get this sorted and then we can ban arrboy and all get on with the love fest that was the staking thread.

Here is to the upswing returning

(blatch if you disagree with anything ive said im sorry, this is all very much my opinion as viewed from the outside)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 17, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
OK, who's hacked Guy's account and posted something sensible with it?  Please return it to its rightful owner.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 17, 2010, 11:35:18 AM
I cannot overstate how disappointed I am that this thread title doesn't contain the phrase "soft $5/$10 game in Vegas"


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 17, 2010, 11:45:43 AM
OK, who's hacked Guy's account and posted something sensible with it?  Please return it to its rightful owner.

sigh - sometimes my job involes mediatation and arbitration - got carried away, sorry - ill return to being a cock now!  ;D


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 17, 2010, 11:52:51 AM

It also strikes me that the sums involved caused a little stir. When it was £30-40 a game it was still an experiment, when it was 300-400 it was magic times, when it was 2-3k people could start dreaming. However, people must accept that the swings both up and down are a factor of the bank roll size. Losing 3k, is just a factor of having won so much over the season. The size of the betting and the relevance that then had against peoples lives did also seem to be an catalyst to the interst in the conspiracy.



I think the fact people started jumping on the bandwaggon with significant amounts skewed the figures a bit. £3240 was the initial bank and now it appears more than one person has invested plenty more than this.

The fact remains that anyone who has invested must have had a fair bit of trust in Blatch, but now some random internet troll has stirred it up they don't. WTF ? If there were signs of impropriety then why not pull out or ask Blatch ? There were no signs. If someone sees a better way or an opportunity that doesn't mean Blatch is at it. If it does then i hope you never sit on a jury.

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 17, 2010, 12:03:16 PM

It also strikes me that the sums involved caused a little stir. When it was £30-40 a game it was still an experiment, when it was 300-400 it was magic times, when it was 2-3k people could start dreaming. However, people must accept that the swings both up and down are a factor of the bank roll size. Losing 3k, is just a factor of having won so much over the season. The size of the betting and the relevance that then had against peoples lives did also seem to be an catalyst to the interst in the conspiracy.



I think the fact people started jumping on the bandwaggon with significant amounts skewed the figures a bit. £3240 was the initial bank and now it appears more than one person has invested plenty more than this.

The fact remains that anyone who has invested must have had a fair bit of trust in Blatch, but now some random internet troll has stirred it up they don't. WTF ? If there were signs of impropriety then why not pull out or ask Blatch ? There were no signs. If someone sees a better way or an opportunity that doesn't mean Blatch is at it. If it does then i hope you never sit on a jury.

Sandy

Human nature kid, it's only natural people cast doubt when things are going bad. Who the fks gonna question anything when winning. Doesn't mean they shouldn't, they just wont.

Anyway, I've sent Blatch a text so I'm expecting he'll post up soon and clear this whole thing up.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 17, 2010, 12:08:44 PM

It also strikes me that the sums involved caused a little stir. When it was £30-40 a game it was still an experiment, when it was 300-400 it was magic times, when it was 2-3k people could start dreaming. However, people must accept that the swings both up and down are a factor of the bank roll size. Losing 3k, is just a factor of having won so much over the season. The size of the betting and the relevance that then had against peoples lives did also seem to be an catalyst to the interst in the conspiracy.



I think the fact people started jumping on the bandwaggon with significant amounts skewed the figures a bit. £3240 was the initial bank and now it appears more than one person has invested plenty more than this.

The fact remains that anyone who has invested must have had a fair bit of trust in Blatch, but now some random internet troll has stirred it up they don't. WTF ? If there were signs of impropriety then why not pull out or ask Blatch ? There were no signs. If someone sees a better way or an opportunity that doesn't mean Blatch is at it. If it does then i hope you never sit on a jury.

Sandy

Human nature kid, it's only natural people cast doubt when things are going bad. Who the fks gonna question anything when winning. Doesn't mean they shouldn't, they just wont.

Anyway, I've sent Blatch a text so I'm expecting he'll post up soon and clear this whole thing up.

Clear what up ?

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 17, 2010, 12:24:49 PM
tighty -i said i wasnt going to reply again but this is really annoying.  Nothing that was said that you have been deleted had any abuse in it from my end.  It just seems that this forum you face either fits or it doesnt whatever you post.  I think you will find if you actually knew anything about the subject that the parts you have deleted are probably the monst important to date and actually involve the only 4 people on here who have proved to actually know anything about betfair (bobby dubai chompy and me)  The only abuse came from the forum clique who admit to knowing nothing about the subject.  In addition to this i was PM'ed last night by a respected forum member who privately viewed similar concerns to me.  MAybe as you can confirm whether i have msn someone that you can confirm this as well.  It seems there are people out there who have the same concerns but dont wish on this cliquely forum to put them on the public domain for fear of not being loved by the masses here which is really quite sad if you ask me.  As for being a troll or whatever that means it seems from the PM message that i have made numerous very valid points including the main one of why the investment manager cant simply post a weekly/monthly screenshot of the betfair P+L if he has nothing to hide on the forum.  He states already all the info his posts contain regarding a result (ie the match and the profit or loss and nothing else)  nothing would be giving away that isnt already posted by him on the forum.  His 'trading secrets' wouldnt be exposed.  That is unless the £80k fund is being used to fund his own lack of bankroll.  IF its all above board (like the guy who PM'd me last night said and understands how betfair works) why doesnt he screenshot the weekly/monthly P+L so investors can see easily what the results are?  I dont expect an answer but its not just me who thinks this.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 17, 2010, 12:32:43 PM
There's been a lot of behind the scenes concerns and I know various people have been discussing the issue.
 Blatch's lack of presence isn't ideal bu hopefully he can come online and post these P+L shots asap


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 17, 2010, 12:42:13 PM
tighty -i said i wasnt going to reply again but this is really annoying.  Nothing that was said that you have been deleted had any abuse in it from my end.  It just seems that this forum you face either fits or it doesnt whatever you post.  I think you will find if you actually knew anything about the subject that the parts you have deleted are probably the monst important to date and actually involve the only 4 people on here who have proved to actually know anything about betfair (bobby dubai chompy and me)  The only abuse came from the forum clique who admit to knowing nothing about the subject.  In addition to this i was PM'ed last night by a respected forum member who privately viewed similar concerns to me.  MAybe as you can confirm whether i have msn someone that you can confirm this as well.  It seems there are people out there who have the same concerns but dont wish on this cliquely forum to put them on the public domain for fear of not being loved by the masses here which is really quite sad if you ask me.  As for being a troll or whatever that means it seems from the PM message that i have made numerous very valid points including the main one of why the investment manager cant simply post a weekly/monthly screenshot of the betfair P+L if he has nothing to hide on the forum.  He states already all the info his posts contain regarding a result (ie the match and the profit or loss and nothing else)  nothing would be giving away that isnt already posted by him on the forum.  His 'trading secrets' wouldnt be exposed.  That is unless the £80k fund is being used to fund his own lack of bankroll.  IF its all above board (like the guy who PM'd me last night said and understands how betfair works) why doesnt he screenshot the weekly/monthly P+L so investors can see easily what the results are?  I dont expect an answer but its not just me who thinks this.


Hey. There was a lot of abuse in your direction last night, which we removed. This is actually in your favour. By the same token you were asked not to keep responding, by me. Yet you kept doing so and it thus became impossible to defuse the situation.

Yes, there were a number of good posts (bobby1 etc) amongst the abuse and as you will see I think they've been put back up

Please give it a rest with the clique stuff too. You've had every opportunity you wanted to raise concerns on here. You've done so. After a point though once you've made the same point about 50 times, even after Blatch posted a reply it moves from simple posting into trolling, I think.

In all this I am only concerned with moderating the forum. I'm not involved in the stake, I'm not active on Betfair and have never claimed to be, and the mods don't mod disputes between staker/stakee.


So, to summarise, debate is fine. Flaming, abuse, and ignoring mod requests to back off are not.

Cheers


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 17, 2010, 12:56:18 PM
tighty -i said i wasnt going to reply again but this is really annoying.  Nothing that was said that you have been deleted had any abuse in it from my end.  It just seems that this forum you face either fits or it doesnt whatever you post.  I think you will find if you actually knew anything about the subject that the parts you have deleted are probably the monst important to date and actually involve the only 4 people on here who have proved to actually know anything about betfair (bobby dubai chompy and me)  The only abuse came from the forum clique who admit to knowing nothing about the subject.  In addition to this i was PM'ed last night by a respected forum member who privately viewed similar concerns to me.  MAybe as you can confirm whether i have msn someone that you can confirm this as well.  It seems there are people out there who have the same concerns but dont wish on this cliquely forum to put them on the public domain for fear of not being loved by the masses here which is really quite sad if you ask me.  As for being a troll or whatever that means it seems from the PM message that i have made numerous very valid points including the main one of why the investment manager cant simply post a weekly/monthly screenshot of the betfair P+L if he has nothing to hide on the forum.  He states already all the info his posts contain regarding a result (ie the match and the profit or loss and nothing else)  nothing would be giving away that isnt already posted by him on the forum.  His 'trading secrets' wouldnt be exposed.  That is unless the £80k fund is being used to fund his own lack of bankroll.  IF its all above board (like the guy who PM'd me last night said and understands how betfair works) why doesnt he screenshot the weekly/monthly P+L so investors can see easily what the results are?  I dont expect an answer but its not just me who thinks this.


So we have people with enough trust in a guy to make a medium term investment but not quite brave enough to ask the guy a question ? They could even email,pm text or actually do it in person rather than face the wrath of the forumites.

Seriously, you need to get a grip.

What exactly do you think should be clarified ?

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 17, 2010, 01:25:12 PM
tighty -i said i wasnt going to reply again but this is really annoying.

Agree up to that bit.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: action man on June 17, 2010, 01:33:08 PM
dont see what harm a few screenshots pm'd to investors could do.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: henrik777 on June 17, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
dont see what harm a few screenshots pm'd to investors could do.

Has Blatch refused an investor a screenshot ?

Sandy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 17, 2010, 01:40:02 PM
trigg what difference would posting the screenshot of the P+L after every match/week/month do on the forum.  He posts something like this after every game anyway.

Greece +12000
Draw+12000
Korea +12000

Showing a screen shot of the betfair P+L would give exactly the same information (the game and the win/loss).  Nothing more nothing less.  No 'sensitive data' would be shown.   So the argument of not posting it on the forum has no ground if there is nothing to hide.  It gets boring stating the same thing all the time.  Would be really amazing if the man could provide an answer to the above which everyone who has pm'd me has stated as well as me.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 17, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
trigg what difference would posting the screenshot of the P+L after every match/week/month do on the forum.  He posts something like this after every game anyway.

Greece +12000
Draw+12000
Korea +12000

Showing a screen shot of the betfair P+L would give exactly the same information (the game and the win/loss).  Nothing more nothing less.  No 'sensitive data' would be shown.   So the argument of not posting it on the forum has no ground if there is nothing to hide.  It gets boring stating the same thing all the time.  Would be really amazing if the man could provide an answer to the above which everyone who has pm'd me has stated as well as me.

I am pretty sure if you stop banging on about it, he might consider it. Im also pretty certain that the more you go on, the less inclined he will be!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 17, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
trigg what difference would posting the screenshot of the P+L after every match/week/month do on the forum.  He posts something like this after every game anyway.

Greece +12000
Draw+12000
Korea +12000

Showing a screen shot of the betfair P+L would give exactly the same information (the game and the win/loss).  Nothing more nothing less.  No 'sensitive data' would be shown.   So the argument of not posting it on the forum has no ground if there is nothing to hide.  It gets boring stating the same thing all the time.  Would be really amazing if the man could provide an answer to the above which everyone who has pm'd me has stated as well as me.

Seriously just leave it be for a couple of days. You have made some reasonable points in a rather confrontational manner and then repeated them in various different ways about 20 times. There is nothing to be gained by posting any more apart from to wind people up.

I agree that in some form showing a simple P/L from betfair is easily done and would kill this part of the arguement stone dead. I used to arb myself for beer money back in the golden days of arbing 2001ish so am well aware of how betfair comission works and have dabbled ever since when i saw an opportunity.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 17, 2010, 01:58:35 PM
those days were good longy.  If only they still existed!!!  walk into a betting shop get £500 on a 6/1 shot and lay it at 9/2 instantly. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 17, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
They still exist if u go to the right places on the BAGS and know a certain big players card!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 17, 2010, 02:08:47 PM
agreed but it isnt as easy getting a monkey on in a shop as it was 5 years ago.  You do well to get a pony on at the tracks you are talking about in a shop.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 17, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
yeah obv cant get on at tracks- few places in london u can get on, if u stay under radar and act like standard high roller in City/Canary Wharf u can get on- got to give action to get action tho


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 17, 2010, 02:28:33 PM
anything at cray this afternoon?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ironside on June 17, 2010, 02:31:51 PM
give me 5k and i'll get it on for u


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 17, 2010, 02:34:07 PM
20 pages in I'm still trying to work out what arbboy's desired outcome is....

Is it:
a) To close Blatch down
b) To muscle in and put a new account into action for a fee
c) Some philanthropic and alturistic assistance for Blatch
d) To expose Blatch of some fraudulent activity
e) something else?

Please tell me it is e), because I don't see you succeeding with any of the others...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ironside on June 17, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
b


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 17, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
It seems he has now moved on to accusing Blatch of using the invested funds to kind of freeroll himself for some personal trades.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 17, 2010, 02:42:01 PM
anything at cray this afternoon?

No idea but it aint normally hard to spot what the "office" are backing at Crayford. First show normally goes and its unders on betfair instantly.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 17, 2010, 02:43:37 PM
Arbboy = Fergus8; he's absolutely seething at the oneupmanship!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 17, 2010, 02:49:15 PM
obv t5 in the 237


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: StuartHopkin on June 17, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
Arbboy = Fergus8; he's absolutely seething at the oneupmanship!!!

Lol if thats meant how I read it............ awesome. :D


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 17, 2010, 10:43:29 PM
Just spoken to Blatch on the phone.

Anyone who requested a cashout for the world cup and hasn't had it yet, should have been made aware of the date they will receive it. If not ding him a pm and I'm sure Noel/Neil/Niall will give you a date.

I will also verify activity as Blatch will be sending me some screenshots of the account activity tonight.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 17, 2010, 10:54:07 PM
trigg what difference would posting the screenshot of the P+L after every match/week/month do on the forum.  He posts something like this after every game anyway.

Greece +12000
Draw+12000
Korea +12000

Showing a screen shot of the betfair P+L would give exactly the same information (the game and the win/loss).  Nothing more nothing less.  No 'sensitive data' would be shown.   So the argument of not posting it on the forum has no ground if there is nothing to hide.  It gets boring stating the same thing all the time.  Would be really amazing if the man could provide an answer to the above which everyone who has pm'd me has stated as well as me.

Seriously just leave it be for a couple of days. You have made some reasonable points in a rather confrontational manner and then repeated them in various different ways about 20 times. There is nothing to be gained by posting any more apart from to wind people up.

I agree that in some form showing a simple P/L from betfair is easily done and would kill this part of the arguement stone dead. I used to arb myself for beer money back in the golden days of arbing 2001ish so am well aware of how betfair comission works and have dabbled ever since when i saw an opportunity.



How come we always lose when I follow your bets,your useless.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 17, 2010, 11:01:53 PM
trigg what difference would posting the screenshot of the P+L after every match/week/month do on the forum.  He posts something like this after every game anyway.

Greece +12000
Draw+12000
Korea +12000

Showing a screen shot of the betfair P+L would give exactly the same information (the game and the win/loss).  Nothing more nothing less.  No 'sensitive data' would be shown.   So the argument of not posting it on the forum has no ground if there is nothing to hide.  It gets boring stating the same thing all the time.  Would be really amazing if the man could provide an answer to the above which everyone who has pm'd me has stated as well as me.

Seriously just leave it be for a couple of days. You have made some reasonable points in a rather confrontational manner and then repeated them in various different ways about 20 times. There is nothing to be gained by posting any more apart from to wind people up.

I agree that in some form showing a simple P/L from betfair is easily done and would kill this part of the arguement stone dead. I used to arb myself for beer money back in the golden days of arbing 2001ish so am well aware of how betfair comission works and have dabbled ever since when i saw an opportunity.



How come we always lose when I follow your bets,your useless.

Small sample size obv or might be I fking useless at sports betting. It is one of the two.

Though arbing is a total different game to having a punt.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 17, 2010, 11:09:23 PM
Why are blonde allowing this guy to troll? Seriously. It's ridic. Now he's banging on about Blatch posting screen shots.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 17, 2010, 11:38:57 PM
trigg what difference would posting the screenshot of the P+L after every match/week/month do on the forum.  He posts something like this after every game anyway.

Greece +12000
Draw+12000
Korea +12000

Showing a screen shot of the betfair P+L would give exactly the same information (the game and the win/loss).  Nothing more nothing less.  No 'sensitive data' would be shown.   So the argument of not posting it on the forum has no ground if there is nothing to hide.  It gets boring stating the same thing all the time.  Would be really amazing if the man could provide an answer to the above which everyone who has pm'd me has stated as well as me.

Seriously just leave it be for a couple of days. You have made some reasonable points in a rather confrontational manner and then repeated them in various different ways about 20 times. There is nothing to be gained by posting any more apart from to wind people up.

I agree that in some form showing a simple P/L from betfair is easily done and would kill this part of the arguement stone dead. I used to arb myself for beer money back in the golden days of arbing 2001ish so am well aware of how betfair comission works and have dabbled ever since when i saw an opportunity.



How come we always lose when I follow your bets,your useless.

Small sample size obv or might be I fking useless at sports betting. It is one of the two.

Though arbing is a total different game to having a punt.



It's definitely -Ev to let me follow you :)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: iwillwinlots on June 18, 2010, 12:14:34 AM
Why are blonde allowing this guy to troll? Seriously. It's ridic. Now he's banging on about Blatch posting screen shots.

whats the problem with posting some screen shots?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 12:17:14 AM
Why are blonde allowing this guy to troll? Seriously. It's ridic. Now he's banging on about Blatch posting screen shots.

whats the problem with posting some screen shots?

Yeah I agree here George. My dad is an investor and is busting my balls to see screenshots.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 01:47:53 AM
lakers -3.5?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 18, 2010, 01:49:00 AM
i will take lakers -3.5 where can u find it?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 01:50:28 AM
my bad, thats the HT handicap


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 18, 2010, 01:55:03 AM
i certainly dont get the gamble on boston from 3/1 to 13/5.  Perkins out for the celitcs who is a big miss defensively.  I dont need to have a bet on this one but if i had no involvement 1.38 lakers on bf seems too big to me.  Biggest game of kobes career for his legacy.  The best bet of the night on betfair is kobe to score more than ray allen.  Its short but not short enough.  I just cant see a spot what allen outscored kobe here. The true price is probably close to 1.03 or 1.04.  Depends if u like backing them that short even if they are big value.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 18, 2010, 01:57:59 AM
No way can Boston be as bad tactically as they were in game6, they have a great road record in regular season and playoffs and already won in LA earlier in series, they look overpriced to me if they can keep PG quiet, backed them handicap and outright


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 01:58:15 AM
i certainly dont get the gamble on boston from 3/1 to 13/5.  Perkins out for the celitcs who is a big miss defensively.  I dont need to have a bet on this one but if i had no involvement 1.38 lakers on bf seems too big to me.  Biggest game of kobes career for his legacy.  The best bet of the night on betfair is kobe to score more than ray allen.  Its short but not short enough.  I just cant see a spot what allen outscored kobe here. The true price is probably close to 1.03 or 1.04.  Depends if u like backing them that short even if they are big value.

Cheers, might get on lakers outright


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 18, 2010, 01:59:57 AM
Kobe to outscore Ray Allen is betting on injury/fouled out, probably a 1.05 shot agree. Kobe scores 25+ even if they lose heavily, Allen can't score that


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 02:03:36 AM
Our friend won't be bothering us again. A shame, as he had some decent points to make but making the same point 67 times and tonight across 6 threads simultaneously is too much



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 02:06:14 AM
oh and I will now delete all the crap and get back to bed

Enjoy your evenings lol


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 02:10:32 AM
norrrrrrr

how longs his ban for?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 02:15:34 AM
norrrrrrr

how longs his ban for?

He won't be back. No amount of requests to stop made any difference. Enough was enough

As I say a shame because he was making some reasonable points I felt, but now we all know some people are concerned about the stake, and GreekStein has said what the latest situation is. Lets hope he and other investors can have their minds put at rest.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 02:16:07 AM
eh? I dont get it, whys all the stuff about NBA been deleted for no reason?

surely we're allowed to talk about that! Was nothing to do with Blatch or anything.

And mine and BH's day out when we met Blatch has been deleted, so ghey.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 02:17:30 AM
eh? I dont get it, whys all the stuff about NBA been deleted for no reason?

surely we're allowed to talk about that! Was nothing to do with Blatch or anything.

And mine and BH's day out when we met Blatch has been deleted, so ghey.

Yes. Give me a fucking chance lol. It requires a manual post by post split and reconstitution without the crap.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 02:18:57 AM
eh? I dont get it, whys all the stuff about NBA been deleted for no reason?

surely we're allowed to talk about that! Was nothing to do with Blatch or anything.

And mine and BH's day out when we met Blatch has been deleted, so ghey.

Yes. Give me a fucking chance lol. It requires a manual post by post split and reconstitution without the crap.

ahh, incred! Just wonderd :) gd work


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ironside on June 18, 2010, 02:19:55 AM
eh? I dont get it, whys all the stuff about NBA been deleted for no reason?

surely we're allowed to talk about that! Was nothing to do with Blatch or anything.

And mine and BH's day out when we met Blatch has been deleted, so ghey.

Yes. Give me a fucking chance lol. It requires a manual post by post split and reconstitution without the crap.

slacker




ok i am off to hide before tighty hits me


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 02:21:07 AM
NBA back up on this thread


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 08:08:40 AM
eh? I dont get it, whys all the stuff about NBA been deleted for no reason?

surely we're allowed to talk about that! Was nothing to do with Blatch or anything.

And mine and BH's day out when we met Blatch has been deleted, so ghey.

Yes. Give me a fucking chance lol. It requires a manual post by post split and reconstitution without the crap.

DO NOT SWEAR AND USE SUCH AGGRESSIVE TONES.

This is a family forum and i for one will not stand for it. You cheeky little prewpot.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 18, 2010, 03:50:43 PM
OK, so I am getting the first post in before this one becomes epic.............(You'll see why in a minute)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 18, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
OK, so I am getting the first post in before this one becomes epic.............(You'll see why in a minute)

2nd.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
hardly epic when you had alot of money invested realtive to your own means.  Hope the doubters enjoy the pain of the investors though something good might aswell come out of it


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sweet potata! on June 18, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
OK, so I am getting the first post in before this one becomes epic.............(You'll see why in a minute)

GG


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 03:55:26 PM
OK, so I am getting the first post in before this one becomes epic.............(You'll see why in a minute)

OK, so I am getting the first post in before this one becomes epic.............(You'll see why in a minute)

2nd.

Both of these posts are coming across real dickheadish boys.

Some of us are absolutely gutted here.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 03:56:01 PM
FFS


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 18, 2010, 03:56:39 PM
Yeah sry that post was out of order, some good ppl have lost quite a bit of money. As I said on msn Cos, this is fking awful.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sweet potata! on June 18, 2010, 03:57:04 PM
For the record I was involved too, so my GG was not intended as a rub. I'm sick myself.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 18, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
Also invested, wasn't a rub, just a bit of gallows humour, apologies if I offended anyone.

Actually gutted for Blatch too, this must have been hard to walk around with, for me he doesn't owe me a penny as I knew this was an experiment, but obviously some people with significantly larger sums than myself will not be as blasé about it.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
ok guys I'm not involved in the stake but this is going to be a gutwrencher for everyone that is

There's not a lot of point me saying "no flaming" and all the rest because people are going to be upset.

For anyone who needs to speak to a mod, just PM whoever you see on. We'll do what we can to keep the hurt you are going to be feeling to a minimum should others/non investors decide to kick off on here.

All the best.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 18, 2010, 04:03:10 PM
eh??? WTF has happenned...was arbboy correct?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 04:06:37 PM
eh??? WTF has happenned...was arbboy correct?

I think Blatch will be posting in the next 24 hours

Investors have been informed already, as you would expect


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
eh??? WTF has happenned...was arbboy correct?

I think Blatch will be posting in the next 24 hours

Investors have been informed already, as you would expect

Not all have..............


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 18, 2010, 04:10:22 PM
Okay not a level,ugh.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 04:11:05 PM
well i half know about this, but there is another blatch staking thread for poker where people have sent funds - are they cool?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 04:18:13 PM
Ok guys, I spoke to Blatch a little before he sent everyone the pm and he confessed to me.

The stake was being traded and Blatch fell asleep before money could be laid off, resulting in a loss of a vast majority of the bank.

Blatch has obviously made a big fuck up and I'm having a huge trouble swallowing it...and Blatch was my staker and has been a friend for a few years now.

I've lost £2k in this and I persuaded my dad to invest £5k in it too which may be the second hardest conversation I've ever had but I'm willing to try and be a mediator between Blatch and stakers, just try not to hound me too much as this is hard for me to deal with.

Blatch also wants to apologise to people who invested but didn't get a pm or found out through this thread. He did not realise there is a 15pm/hour rule.

His intention is to pay everyone but £70k doesn't appear from thin air so the sooner a feasible and reasonable plan can be worked out the better.

Finally, investors can feel free to vent and people can have their say, but if you're ever likely to bump into me anywhere round the country, please don't use this thread as an opportunity to joke or pisstake.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
i've PMed blatch to say that he needs to prove what he is saying is true. if it's true then it ain't the end of the world but he needs to prove he hasn't stolen it.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 04:25:39 PM
oh no!

im gutted for everyone, and i know people are going to be angry but im gutted for blatch too.

i havent seen what blatch has said so dont know the story. I just hope its genuine and that this can be righted! Are there any funds left?, can you not just start again with the trading?

This is going to be a horrible thread, I feel sick and Im not involved in this (although i am in another)

I guess when blatch posts people will deal with it in their own way, shouting fully expected!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 18, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
i've PMed blatch to say that he needs to prove what he is saying is true. if it's true then it ain't the end of the world but he needs to prove he hasn't stolen it.


This.

An honest mistake is an honest mistake.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 04:33:10 PM
Ok guys, I spoke to Blatch a little before he sent everyone the pm and he confessed to me.

The stake was being traded and Blatch fell asleep before money could be laid off, resulting in a loss of a vast majority of the bank.

Blatch has obviously made a big fuck up and I'm having a huge trouble swallowing it...and Blatch was my staker and has been a friend for a few years now.

I've lost £2k in this and I persuaded my dad to invest £5k in it too which may be the second hardest conversation I've ever had but I'm willing to try and be a mediator between Blatch and stakers, just try not to hound me too much as this is hard for me to deal with.

Blatch also wants to apologise to people who invested but didn't get a pm or found out through this thread. He did not realise there is a 15pm/hour rule.

His intention is to pay everyone but £70k doesn't appear from thin air so the sooner a feasible and reasonable plan can be worked out the better.

Finally, investors can feel free to vent and people can have their say, but if you're ever likely to bump into me anywhere round the country, please don't use this thread as an opportunity to joke or pisstake.

Thanks for this post greekstein, its nice to be in contact with other people who have invested and know blatch.  I joined just to invest after another memeber told me about it so I don't know anyone else involved but would like to be kept up to date with whatever comes next.  The guy who told me about it got his money out early and therefore he's not involved anymore.

I invested 3k after a good month at poker and since then i've not had a winning month lol and spent the rest of my roll so this has come as a big shock and im totally gutted, i guess what gets me more are the lies as I also asked to withdraw early (before before blatch went to florida) but i was told he couldn't do it as he would be out the country and then that he wasn't accepting any other early withdrawals untill the end of the season.  I'm just totally gutted and actually feel sick but i guess that'll be an expensive lesson learnt.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 04:36:32 PM
Ok guys, I spoke to Blatch a little before he sent everyone the pm and he confessed to me.

The stake was being traded and Blatch fell asleep before money could be laid off, resulting in a loss of a vast majority of the bank.

Blatch has obviously made a big fuck up and I'm having a huge trouble swallowing it...and Blatch was my staker and has been a friend for a few years now.

I've lost £2k in this and I persuaded my dad to invest £5k in it too which may be the second hardest conversation I've ever had but I'm willing to try and be a mediator between Blatch and stakers, just try not to hound me too much as this is hard for me to deal with.

Blatch also wants to apologise to people who invested but didn't get a pm or found out through this thread. He did not realise there is a 15pm/hour rule.

His intention is to pay everyone but £70k doesn't appear from thin air so the sooner a feasible and reasonable plan can be worked out the better.

Finally, investors can feel free to vent and people can have their say, but if you're ever likely to bump into me anywhere round the country, please don't use this thread as an opportunity to joke or pisstake.

Thanks for this post greekstein, its nice to be in contact with other people who have invested and know blatch.  I joined just to invest after another memeber told me about it so I don't know anyone else involved but would like to be kept up to date with whatever comes next.  The guy who told me about it got his money out early and therefore he's not involved anymore.

I invested 3k after a good month at poker and since then i've not had a winning month lol and spent the rest of my roll so this has come as a big shock and im totally gutted, i guess what gets me more are the lies as I also asked to withdraw early (before before blatch went to florida) but i was told he couldn't do it as he would be out the country and then that he wasn't accepting any other early withdrawals untill the end of the season.  I'm just totally gutted and actually feel sick but i guess that'll be an expensive lesson learnt.

Pretty much agree with this part.  Although I wasn't in for anywhere near as much as most people, just beer money for most, I'm still gutted about it all.

Cheers for posting Greekstein


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2010, 04:36:56 PM
Oh my


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 18, 2010, 04:43:04 PM
Ok guys, I spoke to Blatch a little before he sent everyone the pm and he confessed to me.

The stake was being traded and Blatch fell asleep before money could be laid off, resulting in a loss of a vast majority of the bank.

Blatch has obviously made a big fuck up and I'm having a huge trouble swallowing it...and Blatch was my staker and has been a friend for a few years now.

I've lost £2k in this and I persuaded my dad to invest £5k in it too which may be the second hardest conversation I've ever had but I'm willing to try and be a mediator between Blatch and stakers, just try not to hound me too much as this is hard for me to deal with.

Blatch also wants to apologise to people who invested but didn't get a pm or found out through this thread. He did not realise there is a 15pm/hour rule.

His intention is to pay everyone but £70k doesn't appear from thin air so the sooner a feasible and reasonable plan can be worked out the better.

Finally, investors can feel free to vent and people can have their say, but if you're ever likely to bump into me anywhere round the country, please don't use this thread as an opportunity to joke or pisstake.

Thanks for this post greekstein, its nice to be in contact with other people who have invested and know blatch.  I joined just to invest after another memeber told me about it so I don't know anyone else involved but would like to be kept up to date with whatever comes next.  The guy who told me about it got his money out early and therefore he's not involved anymore.

I invested 3k after a good month at poker and since then i've not had a winning month lol and spent the rest of my roll so this has come as a big shock and im totally gutted, i guess what gets me more are the lies as I also asked to withdraw early (before before blatch went to florida) but i was told he couldn't do it as he would be out the country and then that he wasn't accepting any other early withdrawals untill the end of the season.  I'm just totally gutted and actually feel sick but i guess that'll be an expensive lesson learnt.

Had the loss already happened then Greekstein? If not when did it occur?

Also why is Blatch not posting himself?

I think all investors are entitled and indeed should demand to see full screenshots of the accounts full history including all trades,profit and loss,deposits and withdrawals obviously including proof of this one trade where the "vast majority" of the bank was lost after he fell asleep.

Investors can't be expected to just take his or anyone elses word for it that this is what happened when 70/80k is involved and then just sit back waiting to be paid.

Full disclosure is needed.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Horneris on June 18, 2010, 04:43:19 PM
Neil Blatchly
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Ridic.

Gutted for people i know who have lost big big amounts here like Greekstein and Pab.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 04:45:19 PM
when was this liverpool/stoke match?
pab and someone else had 10K in this?
what happened to the vegas staking money?

the stupid thing about this is that if he had told the truth at the time (assuming it is the truth) nobody would have cared that much.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 18, 2010, 04:48:41 PM
when was this liverpool/stoke match?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8454633.stm

This one?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 04:49:36 PM
im guessing the liverpool game was Wednesday August 19 because liverpool scored in the 4th minute and if he was late then there would have been massive price movement hence the 85% of bank loss, the other liverpool stoke game didnt have a goal untill the 58th minute so wouldnt have had such a big loss.

Now seeing this considering i didnt invest untill the new year i am more pissed off because my money wasn't involved in this big losing trade yet I am still getting nothing, i think pab also invested around when i did, alot of the late investors might be feeling worse now like i am.....selfish i know to the others but its just sick.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 18, 2010, 04:50:14 PM
 ;gobsmacked;
Is it the lot ?
Does it inc the peeps who requested pre WC cash outs ? Was he still trading that money or was it sent back ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 18, 2010, 04:50:37 PM
im guessing the liverpool game was Wednesday August 19 because liverpool scored in the 4th minute and if he was late then there would have been massive price movement hence the 85% of bank loss, the other liverpool stoke game didnt have a goal untill the 58th minute so wouldnt have had such a big loss.

Now seeing this considering i didnt invest untill the new year i am more pissed off because my money wasn't involved in this big losing trade yet I am still getting nothing, i think pab also invested around when i did, alot of the late investors might be feeling worse now like i am.....selfish i know to the others but its just sick.

August 19th game makes no sense, the big investment (hence most of the roll) came along a lot later.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: dino1980 on June 18, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
when was this liverpool/stoke match?
pab and someone else had 10K in this?
what happened to the vegas staking money?

the stupid thing about this is that if he had told the truth at the time (assuming it is the truth) nobody would have cared that much.



Stoke vs Liverpool lunchtime k/o was 16th January, if you want to see the results for that trade etc it's page 55/56 on the main thread.

FWIW I was an annonymous investor. Am gutted for all investors.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 04:52:38 PM
;gobsmacked;
Is it the lot ?
Does it inc the peeps who requested pre WC cash outs ? Was he still trading that money or was it sent back ?


i requested pre WC cashout, the money has all gone



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
makes no sense that he lost alot of the later investments (including mine) i agree, the early goal and the missed alarm would fit with this match not the other liverpool stoke game. He did say it was liverpool stoke where he lost all but 15% of the bank.  Totally confused and gutted, can't really think straight


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 04:54:31 PM
when was this liverpool/stoke match?
pab and someone else had 10K in this?
what happened to the vegas staking money?

the stupid thing about this is that if he had told the truth at the time (assuming it is the truth) nobody would have cared that much.



Stoke vs Liverpool lunchtime k/o was 16th January, if you want to see the results for that trade etc it's page 55/56 on the main thread.

FWIW I was an annonymous investor. Am gutted for all investors and Blatch. Seems an error of judgement on Blatch's part not to fess up earlier, have met Neil a few times and certainly won't give him the cold shoulder in the future.


For this game though the first goal was the 58th minute according to what i just looked up on google so he would have had time to trade out if he woke up 15 minutes before kick off?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 04:55:22 PM
Guys I'm still waiting on answers but will make sure I'm around most of the night, barring maybe the england match and a little either side. I've cancelled my plans for tomorrow now so will be in most of the weekend to help everyone get answers to any questions they have.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 04:57:50 PM
I know mods don't like private convos being posted but I want this to be as transparent as possible. Neil has ok'd this.

I say:
right neil
i need u to be 100% straight with me on this
is that really how u lost the money
or did u use for own trades
or skimmed off the top
to tie urself over
Blatch says:
yeh, most on when i didnt wake up in time and from there I went chasing
I say:
cos im gonna need to see the account
Blatch says:
thats fine, i would log in and show you but betfair only show last 3 months, so ive phoned betfair and asked for full account history to be sent
I say:
ok can i post the last 3 statements on the thread
for everyones pieace of mind
?
Blatch says:
sorry was on ohone to bvetfair
I say:
np
Blatch says:
the last 3 months just show about a 300 loss of me trying a spin up
this whole account history shoudl be with me inside the hour so will email that on as soon as it arrives


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 18, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
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Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: T_Mar on June 18, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
I have no idea what is going on here... Has everything gone? I've got no PM and had alot of money involved


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 18, 2010, 05:03:46 PM
I said an honest mistake is an honest mistake, but I don't like the sound of how long ago the mistake could have been made. The length of time makes it feel less and less honest.

Did arbboy have some kind of knowledge of the tits up ness hence why he started his tirades?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
I have no idea what is going on here... Has everything gone? I've got no PM and had alot of money involved

In short, yes.

You didn't receive a pm because Blatch was only able to send 15 per hour.

I think Tighty was trying to send it to everyone else in the stake on his behalf.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 05:05:47 PM
I really wanted to PM everyone before it came public but due to the 15 pm per hour this wasnt possible.

I wont post my PM here but I will try to answer questions and not hide from this anymore.

The problems started with the Stoke vs Liverpool game.  I placed the first part of the trade Friday night and didnt wake up in time, whether I slept through my alarm or didnt set it right I dont know but when I woke up Liverpool were 1 up.  I had to decide whether to let it ride or trade out and save around 15-20% of the fund.  I then got a bit back and and tried to keep going and then it happened again in a Man City vs Stoke game.  I was away at a poker comp with 2 friends and placed a trade before and was late for the start of the comp and started playing the comp and totally forgot about the game kicking off later.

I have emailed betfair to get a full account hisory for anyone to see.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 05:07:57 PM
I also have a full list of stakers - please everyone send me their email addresses and providing you are on the account I will send you a pm with the full account history as soon as I receive it.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 18, 2010, 05:08:57 PM
I said an honest mistake is an honest mistake, but I don't like the sound of how long ago the mistake could have been made. The length of time makes it feel less and less honest.

Did arbboy have some kind of knowledge of the tits up ness hence why he started his tirades?
Will arbboy have his posting privileges reinstated ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 18, 2010, 05:12:45 PM


so have u been trying to re-coup losses since the game in question?  I've part invested with my brother and have been keeping a keen eye on this.

Does this mean all the trades since then showing a loss was a way of getting the balance down to show a loss in the end?

Cant seem to believe this.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
Blatch/Cos

There is a poker stake too. I have a feeling i know the answer and ill take it on the chin, but has that gone too?


with regard to what people are saying re timing, i think you have to put yourself in blatchs' shoes. I know alot of time has passed since january, but if that was me i would try and right it before telling people. I guess the problem is you need to chase to do that.

i feel sick, i feel sick for all those involved, but if this is a genuine error I cant bring myself to witch hunt. Obv if he cant prove it then there will be issues.

this is just fucked up!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 05:14:43 PM
I also have a full list of stakers - please everyone send me their email addresses and providing you are on the account I will send you a pm with the full account history as soon as I receive it.

easier just to put up a screenshot isn't it?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 18, 2010, 05:15:40 PM
Blatch/Cos

There is a poker stake too. I have a feeling i know the answer and ill take it on the chin, but has that gone too?


with regard to what people are saying re timing, i think you have to put yourself in blatchs' shoes. I know alot of time has passed since january, but if that was me i would try and right it before telling people. I guess the problem is you need to chase to do that.

i feel sick, i feel sick for all those involved, but if this is a genuine error I cant bring myself to witch hunt. Obv if he cant prove it then there will be issues.

this is just fucked up!


A mistake is one thing, trying to hide it with lies feels like something else all together.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 05:16:51 PM


so have u been trying to re-coup losses since the game in question?  I've part invested with my brother and have been keeping a keen eye on this.

Does this mean all the trades since then showing a loss was a way of getting the balance down to show a loss in the end?

Cant seem to believe this.

What I tried to do, was trade on paper what I would have done with the intention of keeping the profit and loss going.

Ever since the Liverpool vs Stoke game and the Man City vs Stoke game I tried trading all sports and trying anyway to get the money back and basically chased the account down to empty.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ironside on June 18, 2010, 05:16:58 PM
I said an honest mistake is an honest mistake, but I don't like the sound of how long ago the mistake could have been made. The length of time makes it feel less and less honest.

Did arbboy have some kind of knowledge of the tits up ness hence why he started his tirades?
Will arbboy have his posting privileges reinstated ?
no he was banned for trolling he had valid pts but went about it wrong


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 18, 2010, 05:17:34 PM
I said an honest mistake is an honest mistake, but I don't like the sound of how long ago the mistake could have been made. The length of time makes it feel less and less honest.

Did arbboy have some kind of knowledge of the tits up ness hence why he started his tirades?
Will arbboy have his posting privileges reinstated ?
no he was banned for trolling he had valid pts but went about it wrong
K.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 18, 2010, 05:18:10 PM
PM says 'I nearly did something stupid', well, here's to hoping.

What an utter utter c***.  Let's hope he rots.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 18, 2010, 05:19:36 PM
Guys I'm still waiting on answers but will make sure I'm around most of the night, barring maybe the england match and a little either side. I've cancelled my plans for tomorrow now so will be in most of the weekend to help everyone get answers to any questions they have.



Takes a lot of class to do this for everyone considering what you have had to go through yourself, WP Greeky


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Josedinho on June 18, 2010, 05:22:36 PM
Is blatch guarenteeing all stakers their money back no matter how long it takes?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 05:23:47 PM


so have u been trying to re-coup losses since the game in question?  I've part invested with my brother and have been keeping a keen eye on this.

Does this mean all the trades since then showing a loss was a way of getting the balance down to show a loss in the end?

Cant seem to believe this.

Sorry Blatch but I think this is a perfectly good question.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 05:25:27 PM
I also have a full list of stakers - please everyone send me their email addresses and providing you are on the account I will send you a pm with the full account history as soon as I receive it.

easier just to put up a screenshot isn't it?

The list is in a weird spreadhsheet with amounts of investments included. Obviously amounts are personal and some people requested to remain anonymous too.

This sheet has been sent to myself and to Tighty.

I don't see why it's easier or harder really.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 05:27:21 PM
Can he not just show a screenshot of the liverpool market with -80k or w/e

to show he did really fall asleep and not just grim it all??



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 05:28:43 PM
Can he not just show a screenshot of the liverpool market with -80k or w/e

to show he did really fall asleep and not just grim it all??



Betfair only shows you amounts going back 3 months.  I have requested a full account history to be sent via email for everyone to see.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 05:32:30 PM
Is blatch guarenteeing all stakers their money back no matter how long it takes?

I will get everyone there money back.  It may take some time but everyone eventually will get every penny invested back.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 18, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
I am in shock. I obviously defended Blatch to the hilt when arrboy kicked off. Neil has done a very silly thing obv. Don't really know what to say.....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
Guys I'm still waiting on answers but will make sure I'm around most of the night, barring maybe the england match and a little either side. I've cancelled my plans for tomorrow now so will be in most of the weekend to help everyone get answers to any questions they have.



Takes a lot of class to do this for everyone considering what you have had to go through yourself, WP Greeky

Np problem I'm gonna try my best. It would be a lie to say I'm doing it 100% out of the goodness of my heart but I partly want to help everyone, partly want to help Blatch as I don't believe he's a malicious guy, just someone given too much responsibility and made a huge fuck up and reacted to it badly and mostly of all, I want my money back some day.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Bongo on June 18, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
Blatch/Cos

There is a poker stake too. I have a feeling i know the answer and ill take it on the chin, but has that gone too?


with regard to what people are saying re timing, i think you have to put yourself in blatchs' shoes. I know alot of time has passed since january, but if that was me i would try and right it before telling people. I guess the problem is you need to chase to do that.

i feel sick, i feel sick for all those involved, but if this is a genuine error I cant bring myself to witch hunt. Obv if he cant prove it then there will be issues.

this is just fucked up!


A mistake is one thing, trying to hide it with lies feels like something else all together.

I think the problem is something like this easily spirals out of control, one lie leads to another and it becomes harder to tell the truth and the mess gets bigger.

If what we've been told is the truth then Blatch has made a mistake, tried to rectify it (in the wrong way), made things worse and is now trying to rectify them the right way.

If that is the case then at no point has he acted maliciously towards anyone (i.e. deliberately misusing their funds) and I wish him well in his attempts to put things right.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 05:38:21 PM
Had an email off a friend who I recommended to put some savings into this at the start of the season asking how everything was going, told him that he def made more than he would of leaving it in the bank and he was looking forward to having the money for a hol etc at end of the year so now I feel like abit of a nob :(

Playing 1k events and going on holiday after this happened seems pretty ridic, but I'm guessing your start of online poker  (rush poker challenge) was to try and win some money back for investors.

also out of curiosity if someone wanted to take legal action would they be able to?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 05:42:42 PM
Had an email off a friend who I recommended to put some savings into this at the start of the season asking how everything was going, told him that he def made more than he would of leaving it in the bank and he was looking forward to having the money for a hol etc at end of the year so now I feel like abit of a nob :(

Playing 1k events and going on holiday after this happened seems pretty ridic, but I'm guessing your start of online poker  (rush poker challenge) was to try and win some money back for investors.

also out of curiosity if someone wanted to take legal action would they be able to?

Everything I did was to try to get the money back. 

As for the legal action side im not sure.  Sadly I dont have any assets, apart from a small car, to sell that will help.

I have already started applying for jobs and every spare penny I get will towards giving people there money back.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Bongo on June 18, 2010, 05:44:13 PM
I doubt legal action would help anyway - if you won you'd be in the same situation as now but with lawyers getting paid before you.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Had an email off a friend who I recommended to put some savings into this at the start of the season asking how everything was going, told him that he def made more than he would of leaving it in the bank and he was looking forward to having the money for a hol etc at end of the year so now I feel like abit of a nob :(

Playing 1k events and going on holiday after this happened seems pretty ridic, but I'm guessing your start of online poker  (rush poker challenge) was to try and win some money back for investors.

also out of curiosity if someone wanted to take legal action would they be able to?

Everything I did was to try to get the money back. 

As for the legal action side im not sure.  Sadly I dont have any assets, apart from a small car, to sell that will help.

I have already started applying for jobs and every spare penny I get will towards giving people there money back.

Really hope it doesnt go that far mate. ul and gl for the future.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 05:45:29 PM
Had an email off a friend who I recommended to put some savings into this at the start of the season asking how everything was going, told him that he def made more than he would of leaving it in the bank and he was looking forward to having the money for a hol etc at end of the year so now I feel like abit of a nob :(

Playing 1k events and going on holiday after this happened seems pretty ridic, but I'm guessing your start of online poker  (rush poker challenge) was to try and win some money back for investors.

also out of curiosity if someone wanted to take legal action would they be able to?

I have never studied law but im guessing no as there was no contract and no guarentees.  At the end of the day it was an experiment and a gamble.  I might be wrong but i think if Blatch admited what he had done as soon as it happened then things would be alot better, for a start alot of late investers wouldn't have invested and the loss wouldn't be so great.  Secondly its the lie and the length of it that is probably pissing most people off and makes it a lot harder to stomach.

I'm also fairly annnoyed that he made the mistake twice, one thing before forgetful but with so much money at stake to forget or oversleep another trade after the first one is just (for want of a  better word) ridiculous.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
vegas money?

was the betfair account in your name?



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ForthThistle on June 18, 2010, 05:48:45 PM
Why did you still accept peoples money last week.?????

I know everyone can feck up but if this was 3 months ago
and you still pm'd me asking if I was wanting to be involved
last week.

This is the bit ethically doesn't compute!!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: jizzemm on June 18, 2010, 05:49:23 PM


I have already started applying for jobs and every spare penny I get will towards giving people there money back.

I am quite angry, especially as it seems that me and brother seemed to have invested after this liverpool game where it had all gone wrong, and that taking the money was only making a situation worse, but I suppose would give you some funds to try and build the bank up.

Anyway a suggestion straight away from me that I think an account should be opened by a Blonde Mod, and if you a rightly going to repay the money (however much time it takes) you should credit this account to ring fence it, and let the blonde team transfer it back to investors from this account (should they be happy to do this)..

Good luck with getting back on track, I think you may need it.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 05:50:33 PM
Blatch, would you mind putting up the last 3 months of transactions anyway please?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nutter5932 on June 18, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
I thought this was a light hearted joke with what's been going on lately and it appears it is not.

We all knew the risks before we got into this and knew we could lose part or all of the investment. Covering it up and chasing the loses without telling us is kinda awful as I think the investors would have just accepted a 20% loss on the first game and just ground it back throughout the season and move onto the world cup / next season for a profit / restart.

If you do intend to pay the original investments back then good on you. My £500 might seem small in comparison to sum but I don't want you guilt stricken over it and I will be patient and wait for anything to develop on it as I'll just write it off.

On a personal note to Neil what if we all wanted out pre-world cup when you told certain people their stake was X% > than their original investment ? Telling me I had £x,xxx,xx to let role on or be in my bank was very wrong. I still appreciate the seasons work and feel sorry for the higher investors.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 05:51:23 PM
Why did you still accept peoples money last week.?????

I know everyone can feck up but if this was 3 months ago
and you still pm'd me asking if I was wanting to be involved
last week.

This is the bit ethically doesn't compute!!!!

Seems to have started 10 months ago, its uneithical to ask you to join definately but his motive was obv to get funds to spin up and try to rescue it with a miracle.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 05:55:54 PM
vegas money?

was the betfair account in your name?



Vegas money has gone and account was in my name.

Im currently trying to send messages to all to let them now.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 18, 2010, 05:56:13 PM
I'm sorry you're in such a deep hole Blatch, but what I suspect really hurts everyone is that people defended you to the hilt against a random who was trolling and yet you were never straight with people until now.

The money becomes a minor issue (if it can be) for me since I think everyone who invested should've come in knowing there would be some risk that everything could go wrong, but the fact that you never told anyone and maintained an illusion that things were fine is the most insulting thing. Everyone here has been played for fools because you were not honest in a situation that demanded it the most especially given people would find out eventually, you should've stood up and been counted. Taking holidays and playing large buy-in events when you're already going to be owing people huge sums also seems utterly ridiculous.

Anyway, I'm not going to castigate you anymore, I suspect you've already been punished enough. I hope you can get back on your feet and repay back the money and rebuild the trust that people have shown in you, but it's going to be very hard and may take a long time.

All the best,

Chris


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 05:56:49 PM
Why did you still accept peoples money last week.?????

I know everyone can feck up but if this was 3 months ago
and you still pm'd me asking if I was wanting to be involved
last week.

This is the bit ethically doesn't compute!!!!

I have the spreadhseet and see that money was obviously accepted after the date of the loss (I initially thought about this point too as this was when my dad invested).

Before I ask everyone what they think this means in terms of people getting paid back first etc I want to verify everything matches up with the account.

I'm getting the log in details for it in a second. I will pass this on to Kinboshi and Tightend too.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 05:57:45 PM
Why did you still accept peoples money last week.?????

I know everyone can feck up but if this was 3 months ago
and you still pm'd me asking if I was wanting to be involved
last week.

This is the bit ethically doesn't compute!!!!

Seems to have started 10 months ago, its uneithical to ask you to join definately but his motive was obv to get funds to spin up and try to rescue it with a miracle.

Yeah but that would of been a total lie, and he would of stopped at 80k, so instead of the investor getting the 80k which blatch had gambled/span up they would of just been told he broke even.

Take a bank loan out, 28/9 split LDO.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 05:58:12 PM
Why did you still accept peoples money last week.?????

I know everyone can feck up but if this was 3 months ago
and you still pm'd me asking if I was wanting to be involved
last week.

This is the bit ethically doesn't compute!!!!

Seems to have started 10 months ago, its uneithical to ask you to join definately but his motive was obv to get funds to spin up and try to rescue it with a miracle.

actually ignore me i dont know, i thoguht the august game as there was a 4th minute goal which obv gives him less time to trade out, 58th minute in the 2nd game between the two teams.  thought i read somewhere he woke up 15 mins before kick off so if true he would have been able to trade out in time for the goal in the 2nd meeting, but obv he woke up later or something.  i'm sure we will all know soon enough anyway.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: titaniumbean on June 18, 2010, 05:58:19 PM
I'm sorry you're in such a deep hole Blatch, but what I suspect really hurts everyone is that people defended you to the hilt against a random who was trolling and yet you were never straight with people until now.

The money becomes a minor issue (if it can be) for me since I think everyone who invested should've come in knowing there would be some risk that everything could go wrong, but the fact that you never told anyone and maintained an illusion that things were fine is the most insulting thing. Everyone here has been played for fools because you were not honest in a situation that demanded it the most especially given people would find out eventually, you should've stood up and been counted. Taking holidays and playing large buy-in events when you're already going to be owing people huge sums also seems utterly ridiculous.

Anyway, I'm not going to castigate you anymore, I suspect you've already been punished enough. I hope you can get back on your feet and repay back the money and rebuild the trust that people have shown in you, but it's going to be very hard and may take a long time.

All the best,

Chris


Good post.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 06:01:32 PM
I now have the password to the account and username.


Just trying to up in the office. Will be home later to post further.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 18, 2010, 06:03:38 PM
Neil I think what Chris says makes a lot of sense. I feel like a prize tool for defending you on like 12 pages of the thread.

I also wish you'd confided in me mate. I'm probably looking at cancelling a trip to Vegas due to this.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 18, 2010, 06:04:44 PM
Wow, I hope everyone gets their cash back, it's not as if a trade simply went wrong. And obviously people need reassurances that it hasn't just been lost on a random spin up or worse - so many ways the money could have went. I've heard of people dumping money from one of their accounts to another - putting up money to be matched on a low volume market and then signing in with another account and matching it. Not saying that has happened here though.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 06:05:27 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
betfair have a money laundering department, i know nothing about this sort of stuff, googling seems to say they catch people who deposit with stolen credit cards. can you do the equivalent of 'chip dumping to your mate by playing HU' on betfair?



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 06:09:08 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?


Hi Simon,

I realise this is only an answer to the first of your points but I've pm'd blonde member 'Sighmuns' who is also a member of BF staff to see if he can take a look into this for us as I'm certainly not qualified to do so.

If someone like Chompy is willing to do this I'm happy to pass over log in details.

Cos


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Boba Fett on June 18, 2010, 06:09:08 PM

If what we've been told is the truth then Blatch has made a mistake, tried to rectify it (in the wrong way), made things worse and is now trying to rectify them the right way.

If that is the case then at no point has he acted maliciously towards anyone (i.e. deliberately misusing their funds)
I disagree, when I enquired about investing for the world cup I was led to beleive it would be part of the fund to be traded with. However this is clearly not the case and obv the extra money reinvested was done so under false pretences to be used to spin up(deliberately misusing the money)
in the hopes of spinning it up to recover the originally invested money.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 06:09:31 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?


This. Saved me a long post.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2010, 06:10:44 PM
Why did you still accept peoples money last week.?????

I know everyone can feck up but if this was 3 months ago
and you still pm'd me asking if I was wanting to be involved
last week.

This is the bit ethically doesn't compute!!!!

Seems to have started 10 months ago, its uneithical to ask you to join definately but his motive was obv to get funds to spin up and try to rescue it with a miracle.

Asking for funds to try and spin it up is called grimming btw


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 06:13:39 PM

Hi Simon,

I realise this is only an answer to the first of your points but I've pm'd blonde member 'Sighmuns' who is also a member of BF staff to see if he can take a look into this for us as I'm certainly not qualified to do so.

If someone like Chompy is willing to do this I'm happy to pass over log in details.

Cos

Cos,
It would be a laboured task, but even without Betfair assistance it can still be done by cross-checking times of trades and times of kick-offs?

If there were loads of similar trades that were successful and then palmed off to a different account, withdrawn (or otherwise chip-dumped) then clearly the fund was being used to buy money for personal use.

If that was the only live position during the season (OK 2 with the man C game) IR then the fund was more likely to have been used properly and the sleep-in is more credible.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 06:15:08 PM

Hi Simon,

I realise this is only an answer to the first of your points but I've pm'd blonde member 'Sighmuns' who is also a member of BF staff to see if he can take a look into this for us as I'm certainly not qualified to do so.

If someone like Chompy is willing to do this I'm happy to pass over log in details.

Cos

Cos,
It would be a laboured task, but even without Betfair assistance it can still be done by cross-checking times of trades and times of kick-offs?

If there were loads of similar trades that were successful and then palmed off to a different account, withdrawn (or otherwise chip-dumped) then clearly the fund was being used to buy money for personal use.

If that was the only live position during the season (OK 2 with the man C game) IR then the fund was more likely to have been used properly and the sleep-in is more credible.

Hi Simon,

I'm happy to do this with you if you want?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 06:19:50 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

After having the initial loss, I did use the account in running sometimes to try to get some of the previous losy money back

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

The holiday in Florida I didnt pay for.  My sister was taking her family and there was a spare room in the Villa.  The flight was a birthday and xmas present.  All I paid was spending money which came to aroudn 600.

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

Sadly this has gone too but I will certainly include this when I try to repay all the money.

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

There were no cash outs at all from the account.  I did however make extra additions to the account whenever I had a bit of spare money.  I tried to put any extra money I had in the account to help get the account back to the level it should have been at.

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?

Not sure what you mean here


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 18, 2010, 06:21:46 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?


Great post,especially question 5.

First it's assuming that the money was "lost" unintentionally,ie he really did sleep in and so never traded out.

If that is the case,it's very hard to believe that he was genuinely "paper trading".It seems a lot more conceivable that having found himself in a real hole he resorted to faking losses out of deperation in order to slowly get the account balance as far as investors were aware down to what it was in reality,nothing,resulting in him not oweing anything and everyone walking away saying they knew the risks involved.

That is not a nice possibility but it's better than the other,that he straight out stole the money.

I'd like to believe thngs were not this sinister but the fact he swanned off on holiday,several times bragging about the extravagance of that holiday after he supposedly lost 70/80k of other peoples money after sleeping in makes it difficult.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
so you used and lost peoples wsop money in you trying to re coup the loss?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 06:24:54 PM
Posting up the last 3 months transactions would be a start in showing us that point 5, (ie the recent losses were real) is not something we have to worry about....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 18, 2010, 06:25:42 PM


I have already started applying for jobs and every spare penny I get will towards giving people there money back.

I am quite angry, especially as it seems that me and brother seemed to have invested after this liverpool game where it had all gone wrong, and that taking the money was only making a situation worse, but I suppose would give you some funds to try and build the bank up.

Anyway a suggestion straight away from me that I think an account should be opened by a Blonde Mod, and if you a rightly going to repay the money (however much time it takes) you should credit this account to ring fence it, and let the blonde team transfer it back to investors from this account (should they be happy to do this)..

Good luck with getting back on track, I think you may need it.

^^^^^^^^^^

THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW!!!!  Why take money off people after the first fuck up!

Looks like the biggest grime in history to me.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 06:27:43 PM
was wsop main event or $1500


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 18, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
Posting up the last 3 months transactions would be a start in showing us that point 5, (ie the recent losses were real) is not something we have to worry about....

Those losses were not real.

He said he was "paper trading",basically means he was recording what he would have done if the account had the funds it should have.

Of course like I say,it looks like he was just trying to bit by bit make the fictional balance(ie what it would be without the sleep in) equal to the real balance which was zero.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redsimon on June 18, 2010, 06:28:45 PM
well i half know about this, but there is another blatch staking thread for poker where people have sent funds - are they cool?

staked blatch for wsop and 5/10 game soft or not. Hopefully he's still going to Vegas? If not can you  sort out a staged repayment plan (waiting for $260 will hardly kill me) by pm plz Neil?


...tbh I always write off one off stakes in my records :)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 06:30:22 PM
Posting up the last 3 months transactions would be a start in showing us that point 5, (ie the recent losses were real) is not something we have to worry about....

Those losses were not real.

He said he was "paper trading",basically means he was recording what he would have done if the account had the funds it should have.

Of course like I say,it looks like he was just trying to bit by bit make the fictional balance(ie what it would be without the sleep in) equal to the real balance which was zero.

Gotcha, cheers Murph.

Shocking really.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 18, 2010, 06:30:39 PM
well i half know about this, but there is another blatch staking thread for poker where people have sent funds - are they cool?

staked blatch for wsop and 5/10 game soft or not. Hopefully he's still going to Vegas? If not can you  sort out a staged repayment plan (waiting for $260 will hardly kill me) by pm plz Neil?


...tbh I always write off one off stakes in my records :)

I can confirm Neil is not going Vegas.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 18, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Think you can safely say all stakes are gone and by what neil says he is busto...

Neils a nice guy and I wish him well but seems to me he may need professional help with gambling as this whole affair smacks of a classic underlying problem...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 06:35:21 PM
also arbboy should be allowed back and give us some tipssss so people can make monies back.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 18, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Guys,

I just want to say I had abso nothing to do with this. I've had a couple of people ask if I was involved and you probably don't give a shit because you've all lost money but I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I would have advised him to post up the mistake rather than go chasing.

I spoke to Neil a couple of days ago and he assured me he still had the money- money I think a lot of us were relying on for different things.

This is why I was defending him so much on this very thread from arrboy. I'm not going to leave him out to dry. Despite what he's done he is still a friend but obviously it's going to take a while to repair the damage he has done.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 18, 2010, 06:39:30 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?


Great post,especially question 5.

First it's assuming that the money was "lost" unintentionally,ie he really did sleep in and so never traded out.

If that is the case,it's very hard to believe that he was genuinely "paper trading".It seems a lot more conceivable that having found himself in a real hole he resorted to faking losses out of deperation in order to slowly get the account balance as far as investors were aware down to what it was in reality,nothing,resulting in him not oweing anything and everyone walking away saying they knew the risks involved.

That is not a nice possibility but it's better than the other,that he straight out stole the money.

I'd like to believe thngs were not this sinister but the fact he swanned off on holiday,several times bragging about the extravagance of that holiday after he supposedly lost 70/80k of other peoples money after sleeping in makes it difficult.

This

Expect the worst people. Although not an investor in this scheme Blatch owes me $2k from a bet we made that I've been chasing since the beginning of May. He has been feeding me all kinds of shit, some of it plausible, some of it just plain ridic. Had been kinda expecting this outcome but hoping not. I have managed to get $600 from Blatch but will also be expecting my $2k at some point. He admitted to me last Friday that he was busto but had cashed in a 14 day notice policy that would have him back in black so didn't want to stir up anymore shit. At no point was the staking money mentioned, I presumed this ring fenced.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 06:41:17 PM
so you used and lost peoples wsop money in you trying to re coup the loss?

afraid so


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 18, 2010, 06:41:50 PM

Damage yeah!  taking cash of people after initial fuck up is just plain wrong. I havent invested as much as other people on here and I feel sorry for the ones that have invest £5k Plus.

Good luck lad.  Your going to need it.....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 18, 2010, 06:43:41 PM
Guys,

I just want to say I had abso nothing to do with this. I've had a couple of people ask if I was involved and you probably don't give a shit because you've all lost money but I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I would have advised him to post up the mistake rather than go chasing.

I spoke to Neil a couple of days ago and he assured me he still had the money- money I think a lot of us were relying on for different things.

This is why I was defending him so much on this very thread from arrboy. I'm not going to leave him out to dry. Despite what he's done he is still a friend but obviously it's going to take a while to repair the damage he has done.

I wouldn't defend him too much, he told me you were paying for his Vegas trip and knew about his temporary bustoness.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 06:43:50 PM
best of blonde?

fuck off you silly *****


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Horneris on June 18, 2010, 06:44:10 PM
wtf, why is everyone being so nice to him.

All i keep reading is "Neils a great guy", "Good Luck for the future".

Hes done in £80,000 of peoples money, money that some of the people couldnt afford to lose without breathing a word for 6 months. (i know it was a gamble but they couldve got out if they lost a certain % of their investment).

Sleeping in is no excuse, in this situation i wouldve set like 6 alarms minimum.

What an absolute bellend.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 06:46:12 PM
After not getting up on time and losing 8k-10kish (rough guess) how can you go away on a poker school and just forget that you have money tied up?  Surely you'd be damn concious every time you have money tied up after making one mistake?

And, the Vegas staking was set up just to get money back from this?  Was it never the intention to go?

This isnt one big wind up is it?  There's so many things that I just can't get my head around.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 06:46:35 PM
Guys,

I just want to say I had abso nothing to do with this. I've had a couple of people ask if I was involved and you probably don't give a shit because you've all lost money but I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I would have advised him to post up the mistake rather than go chasing.

I spoke to Neil a couple of days ago and he assured me he still had the money- money I think a lot of us were relying on for different things.

This is why I was defending him so much on this very thread from arrboy. I'm not going to leave him out to dry. Despite what he's done he is still a friend but obviously it's going to take a while to repair the damage he has done.

I wouldn't defend him too much, he told me you were paying for his Vegas trip and knew about his temporary bustoness.

George never knew any of this , however George had paid for my flight and accomodation.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 18, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
I'd recommend that people who have lost money request that Blatch put his pen where his mouth is and sign legally binding IOU notes.

No reason to trust him after all this, if he truly intends to pay you back then he should have no problem doing such a thing.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 18, 2010, 06:50:27 PM
Another $13k from the wsop.... oh no... thats inexcusable.... and is fraudulant.. obtaining money by deception is a criminal offence..


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 18, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
Guys,

I just want to say I had abso nothing to do with this. I've had a couple of people ask if I was involved and you probably don't give a shit because you've all lost money but I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I would have advised him to post up the mistake rather than go chasing.

I spoke to Neil a couple of days ago and he assured me he still had the money- money I think a lot of us were relying on for different things.

This is why I was defending him so much on this very thread from arrboy. I'm not going to leave him out to dry. Despite what he's done he is still a friend but obviously it's going to take a while to repair the damage he has done.

I wouldn't defend him too much, he told me you were paying for his Vegas trip and knew about his temporary bustoness.

I knew he was struggling for cash but he assured me had money secured in Vegas.

I had no idea what was happening with this account


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 18, 2010, 06:53:02 PM
I'd recommend that people who have lost money request that Blatch put his pen where his mouth is and sign legally binding IOU notes.

No reason to trust him after all this, if he truly intends to pay you back then he should have no problem doing such a thing.


sorry tank.  aint worth the paper its written on. Not even worth the cash for small claims court!  As for paying people back.  whats he going to do get a mortage?  HE aint even got a job!

I would like an answer to a simple question.  Why take cash after the initial loss? 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 18, 2010, 06:55:54 PM
Guys,

I just want to say I had abso nothing to do with this. I've had a couple of people ask if I was involved and you probably don't give a shit because you've all lost money but I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I would have advised him to post up the mistake rather than go chasing.

I spoke to Neil a couple of days ago and he assured me he still had the money- money I think a lot of us were relying on for different things.

This is why I was defending him so much on this very thread from arrboy. I'm not going to leave him out to dry. Despite what he's done he is still a friend but obviously it's going to take a while to repair the damage he has done.

I wouldn't defend him too much, he told me you were paying for his Vegas trip and knew about his temporary bustoness.

George never knew any of this , however George had paid for my flight and accomodation.

Yes but thats not what you told me, don't fuckin start windin me up by responding to minor details like that when you owe me $2k and others more.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
I really wanted to PM everyone before it came public but due to the 15 pm per hour this wasnt possible.

I wont post my PM here but I will try to answer questions and not hide from this anymore.

The problems started with the Stoke vs Liverpool game.  I placed the first part of the trade Friday night and didnt wake up in time, whether I slept through my alarm or didnt set it right I dont know but when I woke up Liverpool were 1 up.  I had to decide whether to let it ride or trade out and save around 15-20% of the fund.  I then got a bit back and and tried to keep going and then it happened again in a Man City vs Stoke game.  I was away at a poker comp with 2 friends and placed a trade before and was late for the start of the comp and started playing the comp and totally forgot about the game kicking off later.

I have emailed betfair to get a full account hisory for anyone to see.

Its weird that it not only happened once but twice, i dont no about you but if i had 50-80k tied up in a trade i wouldnt just be setting 1 alarm, id be having like 4 or 5 alarms. Then just 'forgetting' about it the 2nd time seems very irresponsible.

I dont think you could ever forget about something as big or as much as that but i duno  :dontask:


I hope you all get paid back ASAP.


I'd recommend that people who have lost money request that Blatch put his pen where his mouth is and sign legally binding IOU notes.

No reason to trust him after all this, if he truly intends to pay you back then he should have no problem doing such a thing.


sorry tank.  aint worth the paper its written on. Not even worth the cash for small claims court!  As for paying people back.  whats he going to do get a mortage?  HE aint even got a job!

I would like an answer to a simple question. Why take cash after the initial loss? 

So he could go to Florida ldo.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 18, 2010, 06:57:45 PM
Guys,

I just want to say I had abso nothing to do with this. I've had a couple of people ask if I was involved and you probably don't give a shit because you've all lost money but I had absolutely no idea what was going on. I would have advised him to post up the mistake rather than go chasing.

I spoke to Neil a couple of days ago and he assured me he still had the money- money I think a lot of us were relying on for different things.

This is why I was defending him so much on this very thread from arrboy. I'm not going to leave him out to dry. Despite what he's done he is still a friend but obviously it's going to take a while to repair the damage he has done.

I wouldn't defend him too much, he told me you were paying for his Vegas trip and knew about his temporary bustoness.

I knew he was struggling for cash but he assured me had money secured in Vegas.

I had no idea what was happening with this account

Yeah I believe you, he told me had $30k waiting over there from people who owed him


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 06:58:35 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

After having the initial loss, I did use the account in running sometimes to try to get some of the previous losy money back

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

The holiday in Florida I didnt pay for.  My sister was taking her family and there was a spare room in the Villa.  The flight was a birthday and xmas present.  All I paid was spending money which came to aroudn 600.

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

Sadly this has gone too but I will certainly include this when I try to repay all the money.

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

There were no cash outs at all from the account.  I did however make extra additions to the account whenever I had a bit of spare money.  I tried to put any extra money I had in the account to help get the account back to the level it should have been at.

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?

Not sure what you mean here

Some follow up questions:

In 1. above, ok there are IR trades when you are scrambling to get out of it, but are there any IR trades before Liv v Stoke?  If there were, where did the proceeds go?

[For Cos, yes I will help with the time checking sure, PM me after the Eng game]

The reason for drilling deeper here is the bit that I think most don't seem to understand.  We need to establish if there were a series of trades where you were "buying money" for yourself by putting the fund in play IR and taking the proceeeds, and the Liv v Stoke game was the LAST game, where you tried your luck one too many times OR it was the first time money was IR and it was your mistake.

There's a world of difference between the two.

in 5. above, what I am asking is that it is possible the losses could have been accounted for by posting a series of losses (80k's worth at a guess) which leaves your account empty, but clean.  If in fact those trades didn't exist, then either this is exactly what you were trying to do, or you were continuing to rack up your own personal exposure from any successful trades with a view to somehow getting the money back before settlement time.  Reporting ficticious trades is usually not a good thing.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 06:59:11 PM
I'd recommend that people who have lost money request that Blatch put his pen where his mouth is and sign legally binding IOU notes.

No reason to trust him after all this, if he truly intends to pay you back then he should have no problem doing such a thing.


sorry tank.  aint worth the paper its written on. Not even worth the cash for small claims court!  As for paying people back.  whats he going to do get a mortage?  HE aint even got a job!

I would like an answer to a simple question.  Why take cash after the initial loss? 

Cos I was stupid and saw it as the only way to get other money back.

I wasnt thinking straight and obviously got it all horribly wrong but I didnt see that back then.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbgirl on June 18, 2010, 07:03:23 PM
Hi Guys - ARBBOY here on gf's account

I am totally in shock regarding this and still not 100% certain its not a wind up to suck me back in.  I am going to be classy about this even though i could easily expect a zillion sorry's from everyone on here.  Quite surprising given how i was told how unclassy i was pretty much everything i said has happened and more in a 'Barings Bank' disaster.  When people say i am a random i would have thought u would realise that i play all major uk poker events and several people have confirmed that i have been a pro punter/bookmaker for 10 years.  Its not like most of you havent come across me.  I dont think anyone who knows me well didnt totally agree with everything i was saying.  I can smell a rat a mile away in this game and the longer Blatch stalled on his answers the most obvious something like this was brewing.  I had no idea it was of this level.  I feel so sorry for everyone involved genuinely as i said before in previous posts things like this are not good for my business 'gambling'.  Its my livelihood as it is many peoples on here.  Things like this happening are a lose/lose for everyone.  Even someone like me who could easily say 'i told you so etc etc'.  

I would expect my forum rights to be restored as the only reason i kept banging on about this was for the fear something like this could happen.  I know i was repeating myself but the bottom line is i have been proved right although i dont get any satisfaction at all from it.  I will come into contact with most of you at DTD/gukpts etc etc on a monthly basis and i would appreciate it if no one ever brings this up and needles me either in a positive or negative way.  Its an awful situation for everyone if its 100% genuine and not a wind up.  I think the thread has gone on long enough now today for it to be serious.  I am a chartered accountant by trade with experience in auditing during my training.  The guy that suggested an audit of the account would probably find me to be the best qualified person to do this although i wouldnt really want to tbh.  I doubt anyone would want me to giving the previous threads but anyone who knows me knows i am 100% professional and if you guys did want me to do it i probably would.  Its up to you.


I dont really know what else to say.  Blatch it was never ever personal mate whatever you choose to think regarding the investment fund.  The wind up at dtd was different and maybe wrong.  However all the conerns i made on here were genuine regarding people investing real cash and their rights.  All the best in the future and i hope you can repay everyone although relaistically i am not sure how possible that will be in the short/medium term if ever.

See you around guys at dtd and elsewhere
MArk Wilson (arbboy)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 18, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
I cant take this thread serious. Is it to wind up that kid arddy or summat?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 07:06:45 PM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

After having the initial loss, I did use the account in running sometimes to try to get some of the previous losy money back

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

The holiday in Florida I didnt pay for.  My sister was taking her family and there was a spare room in the Villa.  The flight was a birthday and xmas present.  All I paid was spending money which came to aroudn 600.

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

Sadly this has gone too but I will certainly include this when I try to repay all the money.

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

There were no cash outs at all from the account.  I did however make extra additions to the account whenever I had a bit of spare money.  I tried to put any extra money I had in the account to help get the account back to the level it should have been at.

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?

Not sure what you mean here

Some follow up questions:

In 1. above, ok there are IR trades when you are scrambling to get out of it, but are there any IR trades before Liv v Stoke?  If there were, where did the proceeds go?

[For Cos, yes I will help with the time checking sure, PM me after the Eng game]

The reason for drilling deeper here is the bit that I think most don't seem to understand.  We need to establish if there were a series of trades where you were "buying money" for yourself by putting the fund in play IR and taking the proceeeds, and the Liv v Stoke game was the LAST game, where you tried your luck one too many times OR it was the first time money was IR and it was your mistake.

There's a world of difference between the two.

in 5. above, what I am asking is that it is possible the losses could have been accounted for by posting a series of losses (80k's worth at a guess) which leaves your account empty, but clean.  If in fact those trades didn't exist, then either this is exactly what you were trying to do, or you were continuing to rack up your own personal exposure from any successful trades with a view to somehow getting the money back before settlement time.  Reporting ficticious trades is usually not a good thing.

Im pretty certaint there was nothing IR in the account before that game.  If there was then any money made from this the money stayed in the account.  After this game all profit stayed in the account and I simply tried to get the account back to what it was.

I never took money out of the account apart from once.  This was for an investor who no longer wanted to stay in, due to personal circumstances.  Im not 100% certaint but I think this was before the Liverpool vs Stoke game.

Im still not 100% certain what your asking in 5 but yes some of the losses werent infactual truth.  It was to reduce the account balance and therefore I had to win less back.  I know this whole thing is one serious mess up and I really want to turn this round and get people their money back.

Once things started going wrong it was a horrible slippery slope.  In my mind, depsite what the betfair balance was, I knew I owed out around 70k to people and basically whatever was in my bank account, my own betfair account and the londe betfair account would all be combined together to pay this amount out.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 18, 2010, 07:07:04 PM
Hi Guys - ARBBOY here on gf's account

I am totally in shock regarding this and still not 100% certain its not a wind up to suck me back in.  I am going to be classy about this even though i could easily expect a zillion sorry's from everyone on here.  Quite surprising given how i was told how unclassy i was pretty much everything i said has happened and more in a 'Barings Bank' disaster.  When people say i am a random i would have thought u would realise that i play all major uk poker events and several people have confirmed that i have been a pro punter/bookmaker for 10 years.  Its not like most of you havent come across me.  I dont think anyone who knows me well didnt totally agree with everything i was saying.  I can smell a rat a mile away in this game and the longer Blatch stalled on his answers the most obvious something like this was brewing.  I had no idea it was of this level.  I feel so sorry for everyone involved genuinely as i said before in previous posts things like this are not good for my business 'gambling'.  Its my livelihood as it is many peoples on here.  Things like this happening are a lose/lose for everyone.  Even someone like me who could easily say 'i told you so etc etc'.  

I would expect my forum rights to be restored as the only reason i kept banging on about this was for the fear something like this could happen.  I know i was repeating myself but the bottom line is i have been proved right although i dont get any satisfaction at all from it.  I will come into contact with most of you at DTD/gukpts etc etc on a monthly basis and i would appreciate it if no one ever brings this up and needles me either in a positive or negative way.  Its an awful situation for everyone if its 100% genuine and not a wind up.  I think the thread has gone on long enough now today for it to be serious.  I am a chartered accountant by trade with experience in auditing during my training.  The guy that suggested an audit of the account would probably find me to be the best qualified person to do this although i wouldnt really want to tbh.  I doubt anyone would want me to giving the previous threads but anyone who knows me knows i am 100% professional and if you guys did want me to do it i probably would.  Its up to you.


I dont really know what else to say.  Blatch it was never ever personal mate whatever you choose to think regarding the investment fund.  The wind up at dtd was different and maybe wrong.  However all the conerns i made on here were genuine regarding people investing real cash and their rights.  All the best in the future and i hope you can repay everyone although relaistically i am not sure how possible that will be in the short/medium term if ever.

See you around guys at dtd and elsewhere
MArk Wilson (arbboy)

Think you broke the forum rules there fella


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 18, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
Blatch you have always implied or laid claims to a somewhat "balla" status but now claim you have no assets other than a little car and clearly no funds at hand to make any size of a downpayment to the investors?

So all these claims were fiction?

I understand these are slightly personal questions but I would guess most people invested in this scheme on the back of that image you had and in you yourself rather than actually knowing and fully understanding what you were going to be doing/how you would be doing it etc.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 07:08:15 PM
Hi Guys - ARBBOY here on gf's account

I am totally in shock regarding this and still not 100% certain its not a wind up to suck me back in.  I am going to be classy about this even though i could easily expect a zillion sorry's from everyone on here.  Quite surprising given how i was told how unclassy i was pretty much everything i said has happened and more in a 'Barings Bank' disaster.  When people say i am a random i would have thought u would realise that i play all major uk poker events and several people have confirmed that i have been a pro punter/bookmaker for 10 years.  Its not like most of you havent come across me.  I dont think anyone who knows me well didnt totally agree with everything i was saying.  I can smell a rat a mile away in this game and the longer Blatch stalled on his answers the most obvious something like this was brewing.  I had no idea it was of this level.  I feel so sorry for everyone involved genuinely as i said before in previous posts things like this are not good for my business 'gambling'.  Its my livelihood as it is many peoples on here.  Things like this happening are a lose/lose for everyone.  Even someone like me who could easily say 'i told you so etc etc'.  

I would expect my forum rights to be restored as the only reason i kept banging on about this was for the fear something like this could happen.  I know i was repeating myself but the bottom line is i have been proved right although i dont get any satisfaction at all from it.  I will come into contact with most of you at DTD/gukpts etc etc on a monthly basis and i would appreciate it if no one ever brings this up and needles me either in a positive or negative way.  Its an awful situation for everyone if its 100% genuine and not a wind up.  I think the thread has gone on long enough now today for it to be serious.  I am a chartered accountant by trade with experience in auditing during my training.  The guy that suggested an audit of the account would probably find me to be the best qualified person to do this although i wouldnt really want to tbh.  I doubt anyone would want me to giving the previous threads but anyone who knows me knows i am 100% professional and if you guys did want me to do it i probably would.  Its up to you.


I dont really know what else to say.  Blatch it was never ever personal mate whatever you choose to think regarding the investment fund.  The wind up at dtd was different and maybe wrong.  However all the conerns i made on here were genuine regarding people investing real cash and their rights.  All the best in the future and i hope you can repay everyone although relaistically i am not sure how possible that will be in the short/medium term if ever.

See you around guys at dtd and elsewhere
MArk Wilson (arbboy)

Forgive me for being skeptical here but you came out of the woodwork just before Blatch owns up to being busto and now hinting at viewing the account.  I do not know your or blatch in person and i am not trying to question your integrity but considering whats happened i can't help it.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
Hi Guys - ARBBOY here on gf's account
 I am going to be classy about this...

[ X ] Epic fail.

You weren't classy then, and you aren't now.  The fact that you are up to speed on betfair isn't how class is measured.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 18, 2010, 07:15:35 PM
Blatch you have always implied or laid claims to a somewhat "balla" status but now claim you have no assets other than a little car and clearly no funds at hand to make any size of a downpayment to the investors?

So all these claims were fiction?

I understand these are slightly personal questions but I would guess most people invested in this scheme on the back of that image you had and in you yourself rather than actually knowing and fully understanding what you were going to be doing/how you would be doing it etc.

Walter Mitty syndrome imo


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbgirl on June 18, 2010, 07:16:46 PM
I dont want to say anymore on the matter but i will answer that point.  The only reason i ever got involved in the first place was to ask why blatch had missed the biggest gamble of the world cup.  Timing of this is totally coincidental and i can 150% gtd that i had no involvement in the fund or have ever even spoken to blatch apart from the 'needle' in the cash game a year or so ago at dtd which was nothing to do with this because this fund hadnt even started.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 07:21:23 PM
Blatch you have always implied or laid claims to a somewhat "balla" status but now claim you have no assets other than a little car and clearly no funds at hand to make any size of a downpayment to the investors?

So all these claims were fiction?

I understand these are slightly personal questions but I would guess most people invested in this scheme on the back of that image you had and in you yourself rather than actually knowing and fully understanding what you were going to be doing/how you would be doing it etc.

Walter Mitty syndrome imo

I'm not sure if its ethical or not to post pm's but Blatch also said to me here was completeing on a house recently so im guessing that was a lie too.  

'If you need it early still when I do withdraw once I know the final total ill see if I have enough spare cash floating around to send straight away out of my account and ill keep your share when it clears.

Sadly cant do that at mo as hoping to complete on a house very soon.'

Honestly i feel for the guy, no one wants to be in his shoes, but i also understand its all his own doing.  Its the gamblers mentality to chase.  But saying that I still think everything needs to be out in the open here hence posting this pm. mods please delete if its wrong.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 07:21:38 PM
Those who have sent me their email addresses have now been sent the account history I received from Neil.

Simon G - I'll pm you later with my mobile number or msn.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 07:23:43 PM
Ok any more questions from anyone, feel free to ring/msn me or pm.

I can leave the office at 4.15 on a friday. Marvellous.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 07:27:33 PM
Hi Guys - ARBBOY here on gf's account

I am totally in shock regarding this and still not 100% certain its not a wind up to suck me back in.  I am going to be classy about this even though i could easily expect a zillion sorry's from everyone on here.  Quite surprising given how i was told how unclassy i was pretty much everything i said has happened and more in a 'Barings Bank' disaster.  When people say i am a random i would have thought u would realise that i play all major uk poker events and several people have confirmed that i have been a pro punter/bookmaker for 10 years.  Its not like most of you havent come across me.  I dont think anyone who knows me well didnt totally agree with everything i was saying.  I can smell a rat a mile away in this game and the longer Blatch stalled on his answers the most obvious something like this was brewing.  I had no idea it was of this level.  I feel so sorry for everyone involved genuinely as i said before in previous posts things like this are not good for my business 'gambling'.  Its my livelihood as it is many peoples on here.  Things like this happening are a lose/lose for everyone.  Even someone like me who could easily say 'i told you so etc etc'.  

I would expect my forum rights to be restored as the only reason i kept banging on about this was for the fear something like this could happen.  I know i was repeating myself but the bottom line is i have been proved right although i dont get any satisfaction at all from it.  I will come into contact with most of you at DTD/gukpts etc etc on a monthly basis and i would appreciate it if no one ever brings this up and needles me either in a positive or negative way.  Its an awful situation for everyone if its 100% genuine and not a wind up.  I think the thread has gone on long enough now today for it to be serious.  I am a chartered accountant by trade with experience in auditing during my training.  The guy that suggested an audit of the account would probably find me to be the best qualified person to do this although i wouldnt really want to tbh.  I doubt anyone would want me to giving the previous threads but anyone who knows me knows i am 100% professional and if you guys did want me to do it i probably would.  Its up to you.


I dont really know what else to say.  Blatch it was never ever personal mate whatever you choose to think regarding the investment fund.  The wind up at dtd was different and maybe wrong.  However all the conerns i made on here were genuine regarding people investing real cash and their rights.  All the best in the future and i hope you can repay everyone although relaistically i am not sure how possible that will be in the short/medium term if ever.

See you around guys at dtd and elsewhere
MArk Wilson (arbboy)

Forgive me for being skeptical here but you came out of the woodwork just before Blatch owns up to being busto and now hinting at viewing the account.  I do not know your or blatch in person and i am not trying to question your integrity but considering whats happened i can't help it.

Agree


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 07:35:23 PM



Im still not 100% certain what your asking in 5 but yes some of the losses werent infactual truth.  It was to reduce the account balance and therefore I had to win less back.   I know this whole thing is one serious mess up and I really want to turn this round and get people their money back.


This is the bit that for me that is damning.  That's fairly cold and calculated deception, rather than "oh fuck what time is it, shit, now what" heat of the moment decisions.

So onto the payback.  What is the plan?

Suggesting:

1. We have a table of who is owed what (can use "Anon1, Anon2" where needed but someone needs to know who they are)
2. There is an agreed order of payback - e.g. the WSOP stake first, then late investors, then original investors.  (I'm not saying that has to be the order, I mean it can't just be "Fred gets paid first as he shouted loudest/is my friend.."  ~ all those in the same group should get whatever is available at the time pro rated to them.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 08:34:48 PM
Simon

Payback is a really difficult issue for me. I am inclined to say that the smallest stakers should get there's first just to reduce the list! How many stakers are less than 200?

I know the guys in deep won't appreciate this sentiment, but blatch must be able to get a semi good paying job. Then if you get rid of the small stakers, then the guys who are in deep can come to some sort of arrangement. Just a thought.

An administration style payback for everyone would be the fair way, but I'm sure everyone would agree that getting back 20 quid a month is pointless


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 08:39:59 PM
LOL at people thinking they are gonna get paid back.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 18, 2010, 08:49:17 PM
LOL at people thinking they are gonna get paid back.

exactly, close friends may get some, everyone else he ain't gonna give a shit about.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 08:51:02 PM
LOL at people thinking they are gonna get paid back.

exactly, close friends may get some, everyone else he ain't gonna give a shit about.

England -£70,000

Draw     -£70,000

Algeria  - £70,000


Liquid


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 18, 2010, 08:51:33 PM
lol


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 08:52:52 PM
Not sure its a time for jokes yet guys


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 09:06:28 PM
Not sure its a time for jokes yet guys

Biggest joke i've seen on here Guy is the people that are saying the feel for Neil and they hope he gets it sorted. Can't believe the love he is still receiving on here. Makes me sick. Friends of mine, people i like & Greekstein have money involved in this. It isn't really funny no, but then it isn't really appropriate to be showing love to Blatch.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 18, 2010, 09:08:43 PM
Simon

Payback is a really difficult issue for me. I am inclined to say that the smallest stakers should get there's first just to reduce the list! How many stakers are less than 200?

I know the guys in deep won't appreciate this sentiment, but blatch must be able to get a semi good paying job. Then if you get rid of the small stakers, then the guys who are in deep can come to some sort of arrangement. Just a thought.

An administration style payback for everyone would be the fair way, but I'm sure everyone would agree that getting back 20 quid a month is pointless

I came to my senses that it isn't a wind up thread, I am not involved although have wished many times in the past I was. But...... I do not think that that would be the best repay option. I think that possibly percentage of investment per payout would be better. My reasons being.... whether one has invested £10 or £10k it has the same monetary value ( wrong words), financial loss to that person as one, like we all say, should only gamble what they can afford to lose.













Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: vegaslover on June 18, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
Just reading this threat is gut wrenching, must be unbearable for those who invested. I'm just glad my bank changed it's transfers policy and I just said, next time, instead of going in to get the transfer done.

from reading this thread it just seems that Neil is nothing but a grimming *****, and a very calculated one at that


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 09:15:56 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
I was going to try and act as mediator but after a long think on the long bus journey home from work I just can't do it. Whole thing has made me feel a sick that someone who was my friend as well as my staker could do this to me. Neil was supposed to be my friend.

Fuck knows how it's going to affect my relationship at home when I tell my dad as well as ruining my dream of going to Vegas in a few months that I'd worked hard on and off the table for a while to pay for.

I'm not going on a hate Neil campaign, a part of me wants to but I still feel a bit sorry for him and I will still be posing questions and trying to get answers from the thread.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 18, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
There's not much to say in Blatch's favour.

It looks like he hasn't come clean here, he's just run out time and imagination. If it were possible to tell another lie or defraud another person to buy a little more breathing space then that's what he would be doing right now.

Will be surprised if arbboy is unbanned. Mods gave him plenty chance to have s say, and when tighty decided enough was enough, gave him about a dozen warnings and arbboy ignored them all. Felt like the banning was a last resort, and definately not  clique thing to protect Blatch.
Blatch being guilty of all sorts of things and arbboy being a massive dousche are seperate issues.  Creating duplicate account not going to help him, just a further example that he has no inntention of ever respecting the rules around here.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 09:23:27 PM
I was going to try and act as mediator but after a long think on the long bus journey home from work I just can't do it. Whole thing has made me feel a sick that someone who was my friend as well as my staker could do this to me. Neil was supposed to be my friend.

Fuck knows how it's going to affect my relationship at home when I tell my dad as well as ruining my dream of going to Vegas in a few months that I'd worked hard on and off the table for a while to pay for.

I'm not going on a hate Neil campaign, a part of me wants to but I still feel a bit sorry for him and I will still be posing questions and trying to get answers from the thread.



where he get the money from to stake you?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 09:26:27 PM
Grimmer has made fools of u all right up until today he was willing to take even more money.

ur never see a penny. it would take years to even dent the debt.

grimmer will sink beneath the surface like the snake he is and revert to playing on line and sports betting with peanuts, all the while fooling himself and prob others at some point he knows what he is doing.

fantasy life
fantasy life
paid for by u GG WP


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
greekstein, do you know anything about the house blatch said he was hopefully completing on that i posted up on the previous page?  I'm guessing it was a lie but its a weird thing to make up, then again the whole situation is fked up.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
prob wendy house from toys r us ...50p secures...was last 50p in stake money


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 09:34:49 PM
I was going to try and act as mediator but after a long think on the long bus journey home from work I just can't do it. Whole thing has made me feel a sick that someone who was my friend as well as my staker could do this to me. Neil was supposed to be my friend.

Fuck knows how it's going to affect my relationship at home when I tell my dad as well as ruining my dream of going to Vegas in a few months that I'd worked hard on and off the table for a while to pay for.

I'm not going on a hate Neil campaign, a part of me wants to but I still feel a bit sorry for him and I will still be posing questions and trying to get answers from the thread.



where he get the money from to stake you?

why are you asking me this?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 09:35:57 PM
I think we all need to be realistic and realise he has told a lot of different lies to different people in the last few months



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Madone on June 18, 2010, 09:36:57 PM
How can anyone feel sorry for a grimmer is a beyond me....they have no respect for anyone and themselves!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 18, 2010, 09:39:26 PM
Sick, that's how I feel.

Was concerned something was wrong, but never expected the entire staking roll to have gone.

Having spoken to Neil over the past few weeks, I actually felt reassured that my worst fears wouldn't be realised.  However, they were merely more lies, as I now know.

I've lost more than beer money from this.  I've lost my roll for Vegas, so the trip I've been looking forward to for a year will be no more.  It's money I could afford to lose, but I'd have rather have lost it myself whilst in Vegas.

Of course the investment wasn't guaranteed, but I expected that if half of the pot had gone, Neil would have been a man enough to give people a chance to cut their losses. 

I considered Blatch a mate, and that's why it hurts more.  He was telling me about his mate Kev losing some of his and George's money and how upset he was about it.  When he was telling me this, he'd already started grimming me (and everyone else of course).

If people seriously think they're going to get their money back, then I think you're deluded.  £70K+ is a lot of money for someone to earn on top of earning enough to live on.

I'd suggest Neil gets some help with his gambling problem, stops playing poker, stops sports trading, stops playing roulette, and has a long and hard think about what he's done to his mates and others who trusted him to at least not lie to them, and of course not abuse the staking money they invested in good faith.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 18, 2010, 09:39:35 PM
greekstein, do you know anything about the house blatch said he was hopefully completing on that i posted up on the previous page?  I'm guessing it was a lie but its a weird thing to make up, then again the whole situation is fked up.

No, about 6 months ago I was told by Neil that he was having to tie most of his cash and roll up in his new flat in Leicester, because as a trader he couldn't get a mortgage. This is why we never really questioned him when he was a little short on cash and would take a while to pay us back.

There are at least 5 members of his 'stable' who post on blonde that could probably confirm this.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 18, 2010, 09:42:18 PM

 so all the monies been used to stake these 5 players ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 09:42:30 PM
When was Blatch actually going to tell you all?

It seems all this has only came about and been outed because the shrewdest of the shrewd 'arbboy' came on and started asking questions...?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
the fact people have their "vegas dream" ruined is fucked up.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 09:46:09 PM
the fact people have their "vegas dream" ruined is fucked up.

yeah, id be fkin devastated.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 09:46:24 PM
I feel abs devvd after reading kinboshis post, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the whole sleeping in thing was bs and he'd just grimmed it.

what an utter twat


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 09:47:21 PM
When was Blatch actually going to tell you all?

It seems all this has only came about and been outed because the shrewdest of the shrewd 'arbboy' came on and started asking questions...?

This.

The fact he was asking for money from more investors just last week is sick.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
When was Blatch actually going to tell you all?

It seems all this has only came about and been outed because the shrewdest of the shrewd 'arbboy' came on and started asking questions...?

Thats exactly what happened Rich, and his girlfriend's account has been banned now too. Seems very unfair to me. The guy exposed a huuuuuuuuuuge grim and probably save others thousands in the coming months.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 09:49:45 PM
I was going to try and act as mediator but after a long think on the long bus journey home from work I just can't do it. Whole thing has made me feel a sick that someone who was my friend as well as my staker could do this to me. Neil was supposed to be my friend.

Fuck knows how it's going to affect my relationship at home when I tell my dad as well as ruining my dream of going to Vegas in a few months that I'd worked hard on and off the table for a while to pay for.

I'm not going on a hate Neil campaign, a part of me wants to but I still feel a bit sorry for him and I will still be posing questions and trying to get answers from the thread.



where he get the money from to stake you?

why are you asking me this?

seems like it was actually us who were staking you


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
When was Blatch actually going to tell you all?

It seems all this has only came about and been outed because the shrewdest of the shrewd 'arbboy' came on and started asking questions...?

This.

The fact he was asking for money from more investors just last week is sick.


omg, didnt realise this.

What a disgrace, glad i didnt lend you that tenner for the bus home now. (check other thread)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 09:52:28 PM
has anyone looked at this spreadsheet, i can see why you can't screenshot it, it's huge. i know nothing about spreadsheets or betfair trading but I can't see how 50K was lost on this match. there are 2 7K trades that say they were cancelled, a 6K trade and a ton of smaller ones.

Is there anyone who knows about this stuff who can look at it?



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 18, 2010, 09:52:37 PM


I am gutted at this and I have no investment. So sorry for all of you that invested, was at one point sorry for Blatch too, in a strange way. This must be the most horrible thread so far on Blonde I have witnessed from the start.

This is not what Blonde was established for. It was originally a poker community that got on well enjoyed the game, met up, laughed a lot, told a few bad beats, asked for advice, staked a few folk into games, etc, maybe i am old fashioned, but Thanks all the same i will remain that way. When did it come to this I ask?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 09:54:51 PM
fell asleep? puleeeeese.

ffs was busto and was deluded enough he could get u all to pay for his lifestyle and still make u money.

wot a grimming mug.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
this is the relevant part of the PM from blatch



Going back a few months everything was fine and going great.  Everything I had posted was spot on and then one day I had made a trade on a midday kick off between Liverpool and Stoke and I simply didnt wake up in time.  I must have not set my alarm right but basically I woke up with around 15 mins to go.  At this point I could only rescue about 15% of the bank.  I threw up at the time realising what had happened but for some stupid reason I decided that I could get the money back by the end of the season.  Basically since then I have been trading the games still but without actually putting the amounts on.  I was hoping that I would be able to raise the money by the end of the season and therefore the results would still be ok.

I dont know what I was thinking as I should have told everyone at the time but Im not sure how I could tell people that me sleeping in had cost in total around 50k.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 18, 2010, 09:57:10 PM
When was Blatch actually going to tell you all?

It seems all this has only came about and been outed because the shrewdest of the shrewd 'arbboy' came on and started asking questions...?

This.

The fact he was asking for money from more investors just last week is sick.

Rich, do you know arrboy?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 18, 2010, 09:58:59 PM
It was only a matter of time before he was exposed. I was ready to go public a week or so ago with my concerns about the money he owed me but he gave another line that I swallowed and gave him another week. I also knew it wouldn't be popular and the potential backlash from the stakers. A mod and a couple of other Blondes will confirm this.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 18, 2010, 09:59:08 PM
When was Blatch actually going to tell you all?

It seems all this has only came about and been outed because the shrewdest of the shrewd 'arbboy' came on and started asking questions...?

This.

The fact he was asking for money from more investors just last week is sick.

Rich, do you know arrboy?

lol no.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 10:00:24 PM
has anyone looked at this spreadsheet, i can see why you can't screenshot it, it's huge. i know nothing about spreadsheets or betfair trading but I can't see how 50K was lost on this match. there are 2 7K trades that say they were cancelled, a 6K trade and a ton of smaller ones.

Is there anyone who knows about this stuff who can look at it?

Am looking at the sheet too, could use someone that's good in Excel to help me a bit, trying to work out the profit and loss for each event rather than each trade.  Would welcome a knowing PM or something


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 18, 2010, 10:01:27 PM
Not your best thread Dewi.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Chompy on June 18, 2010, 10:01:32 PM
I don't know Blatch and have nothing tied up in this, but please try not to give the guy too hard a time. The fact he's hardly been on here the past few days and been generally vague when he has would suggest he just has a major gambling problem imo. Now is likely to be the time the abuse flows, after England have blown out again and a few beers have been taken, but try to resist. If he is in up to his nuts, reading torrents of abuse isn't going to help.
Whether his story is completely genuine, which I'd somehow doubt, or not, there's not much he can do about it now.
Oh, and arbboy's original intention when bombing this thread certainly wasn't to expose the whole thing as one major grim. He's changed his story at least three times.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 10:05:45 PM
I don't know Blatch and have nothing tied up in this, but please try not to give the guy too hard a time. The fact he's hardly been on here the past few days and been generally vague when he has would suggest he just has a major gambling problem imo. Now is likely to be the time the abuse flows, after England have blown out again and a few beers have been taken, but try to resist. If he is in up to his nuts, reading torrents of abuse isn't going to help.
Whether his story is completely genuine, which I'd somehow doubt, or not, there's not much he can do about it now.
Oh, and arbboy's original intention when bombing this thread certainly wasn't to expose the whole thing as one major grim. He's changed his story at least three times.

Why?

And regardless of Arbboy's intentions/story/comments. He opened up plenty of peoples eyes. So well done him.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: LOJ on June 18, 2010, 10:06:31 PM
Lie after lie this is bloody crazy!  I feel sorry for people who used to call him a friend.  Even though he has robbed me of some cash, I won’t have to see his face and be tempted to smash it in...

He has a serious problem.  Excellent idea to start off with and sold really well to everyone but where this is really fucked up is not at the start with the best of intention, but the constant lies throughout the thread.

I invested, yes hoping to make a fast buck in life (yep not really clever in hindsight), and to be fair if all through this I had lost half my stake, or even all of it through some dodgy decisions, or the market moving or Blatch getting it wrong, then fair enough.  I had built myself up for the possibility of this.  Also the amount I’ve put in wont bust my bank, but I’d rather have lost it myself playing a few comps out of my roll at DTD for a giggle than give it to some grimmer...

FACT.  You lost the roll before I invested!  Fucking ridiculous that you still had the balls to say more people could invest after you were sat there knowing you had “lost” people their cash (more than likely spunked it all on roulette on some dodgy site somewhere)  Maybe saying to potential new investors that it wasn’t open to any more would have been a start?!?

FACT.  You put bull shit results up on to keep people hooked!  Where did you honestly think you were going to get £80k to pay people back to cover your lies?

FACT.  You are a liar and a thief & the biggest grimmer ever...

If anyone reading this expects to get any of your cash back your living in cloud cookoo.

Blatch, do yourself a favour, own up to your bullshit losses and tell people the truth.  You owe everyone that.  Especially people you used to call friends...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .

this line gives me chills

Blatch, please can you come on here and explain what happened to your own personal roll during this time?

How much were you trading from?

where is it now?

are you prepared to show a 3rd party your own personal account trading over the same time period?

I am starting to feel worse about this.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 18, 2010, 10:10:48 PM
Questions were being asked before arbboy posted on here.  His posting wasn't what unearthed the truth of the situation.

He won't be unbanned, as he broke forum rules.  Of course, in the scheme of things he's done far less harm than Blatch - but I'm sure Mark (arbboy) can live without blonde poker in his life.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 10:14:43 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .

this line gives me chills

Blatch, please can you come on here and explain what happened to your own personal roll during this time?

How much were you trading from?

where is it now?

are you prepared to show a 3rd party your own personal account trading over the same time period?

I am starting to feel worse about this.



I usually kept £5k in my account and the rest in my bank account.  My oerosnal bank roll has gone as well as I tried to spin this up to cover the loses in the other account.  Towards the end i also thought them as the same until I had enough to cover the blonde money.

I think its quite obvious I have a problem and will certainly be getting help for it.  Sadly I though I could get myself out of a hole and I couldnt, it created a snowball effect and made things so much worse.  I stupidly thought I could still get out of it and it got the point where I just couldnt keep up the lies and had to come clean.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 10:15:41 PM
Questions were being asked before arbboy posted on here.  His posting wasn't what unearthed the truth of the situation.

He won't be unbanned, as he broke forum rules.  Of course, in the scheme of things he's done far less harm than Blatch - but I'm sure Mark (arbboy) can live without blonde poker in his life.

Didnt exactly break the rules, yes he repeated claims time and time again, but he opened so many peoples eyes to what was going on. He is prob owed some thanks/apology from some people.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 18, 2010, 10:20:12 PM
Questions were being asked before arbboy posted on here.  His posting wasn't what unearthed the truth of the situation.

He won't be unbanned, as he broke forum rules.  Of course, in the scheme of things he's done far less harm than Blatch - but I'm sure Mark (arbboy) can live without blonde poker in his life.

Didnt exactly break the rules, yes he repeated claims time and time again, but he opened so many peoples eyes to what was going on. He is prob owed some thanks/apology from some people.

For my sins arbboy is one of my best friends but please dont stroke his ego even more......he is going to be unbearable as it is!!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 10:20:24 PM
I don't know Blatch and have nothing tied up in this, but please try not to give the guy too hard a time. The fact he's hardly been on here the past few days and been generally vague when he has would suggest he just has a major gambling problem imo. Now is likely to be the time the abuse flows, after England have blown out again and a few beers have been taken, but try to resist. If he is in up to his nuts, reading torrents of abuse isn't going to help.
Whether his story is completely genuine, which I'd somehow doubt, or not, there's not much he can do about it now.
Oh, and arbboy's original intention when bombing this thread certainly wasn't to expose the whole thing as one major grim. He's changed his story at least three times.

u gotta be joking.when fergus grimmed for a few hundred there were crowds of angry villagers wanting to do him harm..blatch has grimmed for 90k!!! wtf. surprised if his still able to walk in a week


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: railtard1 on June 18, 2010, 10:20:42 PM
pretty sure ur a *****


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .

this line gives me chills

Blatch, please can you come on here and explain what happened to your own personal roll during this time?

How much were you trading from?

where is it now?

are you prepared to show a 3rd party your own personal account trading over the same time period?

I am starting to feel worse about this.



I usually kept £5k in my account and the rest in my bank account.  My oerosnal bank roll has gone as well as I tried to spin this up to cover the loses in the other account.  Towards the end i also thought them as the same until I had enough to cover the blonde money.

I think its quite obvious I have a problem and will certainly be getting help for it.  Sadly I though I could get myself out of a hole and I couldnt, it created a snowball effect and made things so much worse.  I stupidly thought I could still get out of it and it got the point where I just couldnt keep up the lies and had to come clean.

LOL @ you had to come clean, you would have happily kept up the lies and taking more money if you could have got away with it. Arbboy may have irritated people but you knew you were up against it when he started persistently posting. I would prob go as far as saying he helped massively to expose what was going on.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 18, 2010, 10:23:23 PM
 so who is gonna call the fraud squad in then ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 10:26:59 PM
lolz at blatch..im sorry i gotta problem..gg 90k


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 18, 2010, 10:27:21 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .

this line gives me chills

Blatch, please can you come on here and explain what happened to your own personal roll during this time?

How much were you trading from?

where is it now?

are you prepared to show a 3rd party your own personal account trading over the same time period?

I am starting to feel worse about this.



I usually kept £5k in my account and the rest in my bank account.  My oerosnal bank roll has gone as well as I tried to spin this up to cover the loses in the other account.  Towards the end i also thought them as the same until I had enough to cover the blonde money.

I think its quite obvious I have a problem and will certainly be getting help for it.  Sadly I though I could get myself out of a hole and I couldnt, it created a snowball effect and made things so much worse.  I stupidly thought I could still get out of it and it got the point where I just couldnt keep up the lies and had to come clean.

LOL @ you had to come clean, you would have happily kept up the lies and taking more money if you could have got away with it. Arbboy may have irritated people but you knew you were up against it when he started persistently posting. I would prob go as far as saying he helped massively to expose what was going on.

Like I've already said, questions were already being asked by investors, and arbboy's timing wasn't coincidental imo.

However, he DID break forum rules, was warned a number of times, and was therefore banned.  Yes, he made some points that were very valid, but the same is also true of many other members who have been banned previously.

As an investor who's lost a fair amount (for me), what blatch has done will hurt me far more than anyone else could do by posting any amount of bollocks on here.  But that doesn't mean we suspend forum rules, or ignore them because of this.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 18, 2010, 10:33:14 PM
Not getting this spreadsheet. The P&L column shows just over minus £43k as a total. Not getting the £50k on Stoke Vs Liverpool either as it shows plus £22k on the P&L column... - anyone who can enlighten me (and I'm guessing several others) on it?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .

this line gives me chills

Blatch, please can you come on here and explain what happened to your own personal roll during this time?

How much were you trading from?

where is it now?

are you prepared to show a 3rd party your own personal account trading over the same time period?

I am starting to feel worse about this.



I usually kept £5k in my account and the rest in my bank account.  My oerosnal bank roll has gone as well as I tried to spin this up to cover the loses in the other account.  Towards the end i also thought them as the same until I had enough to cover the blonde money.

I think its quite obvious I have a problem and will certainly be getting help for it.  Sadly I though I could get myself out of a hole and I couldnt, it created a snowball effect and made things so much worse.  I stupidly thought I could still get out of it and it got the point where I just couldnt keep up the lies and had to come clean.

LOL @ you had to come clean, you would have happily kept up the lies and taking more money if you could have got away with it. Arbboy may have irritated people but you knew you were up against it when he started persistently posting. I would prob go as far as saying he helped massively to expose what was going on.

Like I've already said, questions were already being asked by investors, and arbboy's timing wasn't coincidental imo.

However, he DID break forum rules, was warned a number of times, and was therefore banned.  Yes, he made some points that were very valid, but the same is also true of many other members who have been banned previously.

As an investor who's lost a fair amount (for me), what blatch has done will hurt me far more than anyone else could do by posting any amount of bollocks on here.  But that doesn't mean we suspend forum rules, or ignore them because of this.

He kept going on cause he wasnt getting a reply to his questions and was getting stick from others on blonde, then when he got fobbed off by Blatch he continued to ask the question to get an answer.

Look, i dont know Mark personally, I have shared a table with him a couple of times but he did help accelerate the situation and saved others plenty of £££ imo.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 10:34:39 PM
Just looking at the spreadsheet

on the 21st Jan you had 2 bets

5k on  cricket and 5k on golf

..........................


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 18, 2010, 10:36:28 PM
I felt sorry for Blatch when this thread started because I was under the assumption that his losses were ring fenced to the original staking account, but the fact that he was taking additional stakers last week plus the Vegas staking thread all makes this pure grimming and about the worst I've seen. I'm not expecting my money back, there are plenty of other people who had more invested financially and personally who I would prefer to see get it before I do, but I will probably never invest in another staking thread again after this, it was such a shocker.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 10:36:52 PM
Reading between the lines grimmer was busto when set  up this staking thread and was using it as personal bankroll.

Text book living beyond means and an epic grim.

going on holiday, throwing wads of twenties at the roulette wheel and setting up a 2nd grim all whilst in a 70k hole, smacks of arrogance beyond belief.

someone should call the police as the 2nd grim is fraud .

this line gives me chills

Blatch, please can you come on here and explain what happened to your own personal roll during this time?

How much were you trading from?

where is it now?

are you prepared to show a 3rd party your own personal account trading over the same time period?

I am starting to feel worse about this.



I usually kept £5k in my account and the rest in my bank account.  My oerosnal bank roll has gone as well as I tried to spin this up to cover the loses in the other account.  Towards the end i also thought them as the same until I had enough to cover the blonde money.

I think its quite obvious I have a problem and will certainly be getting help for it.  Sadly I though I could get myself out of a hole and I couldnt, it created a snowball effect and made things so much worse.  I stupidly thought I could still get out of it and it got the point where I just couldnt keep up the lies and had to come clean.

I dont get this Blatch

You were trading off of 5k - and that sustained your life style? You had no other net worth?

The numbers are starting to get really out of whack for me and it is starting to make less and less sense

So you did 50k (in the accident) and had circa 15k left? Well thats still a role, put your 5k in, play the game, get it back to 50k and you are someting close to break even at the end of the season, and a 50k cock up has cost you 5k personally? That would seem like a result to me?

Is that not the way to look at it? I dont know anything about BF trading? How did this turn into you doing 90k of other peoples money

Also how did you fund your lifestyle on a 5k roll?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 10:38:02 PM
Just looking at the spreadsheet

on the 21st Jan you had 2 bets

5k on  cricket and 5k on golf

..........................

These were both 1.01 shots which both lost.

Were you just going to pocket the profit from the 1.01 back?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MC on June 18, 2010, 10:40:23 PM
I'm struggling to get my head around this whole thing but here's my thoughts...

From what I can gather I think everyone owes arbboy an apology, as his suspicion seems to be the main reason this got exposed. Obviously it was nativity more than anything else why arguments came up in the first place, but thankfully the truth has come out as a result.

I played the GUKPT main event last May, and ended up sitting to the direct left of Blatch, who was to the direct left of George. It was one of the funnest times I've had at a table because of the banter that went down between us. I find it hard to believe that someone in such a big hole could act in this way, and the trip to Florida and facebook updates hardly suggested a man in personal turmoil. He also complained very convincingly about being grimmed himself to the tune of ~$5k. Perhaps it was all just a front/act, but it was a bloody good one, and I seriously doubt there was any intention to come clean down the line.

I'm not sure I buy the "didn't wake up" story, it's obvious there have been so many stories over recent months that it is hard to decipher what statements that are made have any truth attached to them.

On top of all this the WSOP staking grim is just beyond despicable, as is any taking of money after the initial cock-up/grim.

I'm lucky that in both cases I didn't invest too much, but obviously others have incurred much worse losses and I can only sympathise.

Edit: Just looked through my phone and I got a text on 2nd Dec 09 asking if I wanted any action on a £5k stake for a PLO game at DTD. This pre-dates Liverpool vs Stoke, but just makes you wonder...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 18, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
It's pretty sick to think every single trade from the very beginning could have been fiction. Aftertiming on games where the price has shifted and reporting the result as if it had all been forseen. Faking a gigantic winnning streak that would eventually bring in a lot more moneys from investors.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 10:45:16 PM
Quote
From what I can gather I think everyone owes arbboy an apology, as his suspicion seems to be the main reason this got exposed

i was gonna be posting 'where's my money' all over the internet on monday or tuesday fwiw. actually felt bad PMing him asking where it was :(

how to explain this to friends/family without coming across as a huge mug...



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 10:45:23 PM
I'm struggling to get my head around this whole thing but here's my thoughts...

From what I can gather I think everyone owes arbboy an apology, as his suspicion seems to be the main reason this got exposed. Obviously it was nativity more than anything else why arguments came up in the first place, but thankfully the truth has come out as a result.

I played the GUKPT main event last March, and ended up sitting to the direct left of Blatch, who was to the direct left of George. It was one of the funnest times I've had at a table because of the banter that went down between us. I find it hard to believe that someone in such a big hole could act in this way, and the trip to Florida and facebook updates hardly suggested a man in personal turmoil. He also complained very convincingly about being grimmed himself to the tune of ~$5k. Perhaps it was all just a front/act, but it was a bloody good one, and I seriously doubt there was any intention to come clean down the line.

I'm not sure I buy the "didn't wake up" story, it's obvious there have been so many stories over recent months that it is hard to decipher what statements that are made have any truth attached to them.

On top of all this the WSOP staking grim is just beyond despicable, as is any taking of money after the initial cock-up/grim.

I'm lucky that in both cases I didn't invest too much, but obviously others have incurred much worse losses and I can only sympathise.

Edit: Just looked through my phone and I got a text on 2nd Dec 09 asking if I wanted any action on a £5k stake for a PLO game at DTD. This pre-dates Liverpool vs Stoke, but just makes you wonder...

Didn't he also go to the blonde bash with all of you guys? was he acting normal then?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 10:48:37 PM
Linux, I saw the cricket trades too, I can't believe he was able to back at 1.01 to be honest.  One was for a Bangladesh batsman to hit a 50.  He only got 13 in the innings so I'm guessing the bet was made at the start when surely the odds would have been more than 1.01.

Baron, I made the Stoke game a profit too.  In fact, I make the total footy trading figures a profit. I'm trying to work out where the descrepency lies at the moment but the sheet is huge and dragging my oldish computer down!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 10:49:45 PM
sent spreadsheet to rooks he says looks like blatch actually won 22K on this liverpool/stoke match that he says he lost 50K on. also was betting on other stuff jan 21st as i think linux has already mentioned



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 10:50:23 PM
Hey guys I'm stuck away til monday. I'll discuss arbboy with the mods then.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
So the stoke game where he slept in was on the 16th Jan
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match/fixtures/archive/season/2009+-+2010/team/first-team

why on the 13th jan onwards was there a load of tennis bets ranging for £3 to nearly £13k


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: DaveShoelace on June 18, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48335.0

This thread seems like a sick fucking rubdown in hindsight


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 18, 2010, 10:52:22 PM
Linux, I saw the cricket trades too, I can't believe he was able to back at 1.01 to be honest.  One was for a Bangladesh batsman to hit a 50.  He only got 13 in the innings so I'm guessing the bet was made at the start when surely the odds would have been more than 1.01.

Baron, I made the Stoke game a profit too.  In fact, I make the total footy trading figures a profit. I'm trying to work out where the descrepency lies at the moment but the sheet is huge and dragging my oldish computer down!

So he laid 1.01 with 1 hand and backed with the other ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 18, 2010, 10:53:24 PM
I am abs gutted for people like Dan and George who classed Blatch as a friend and who's Vegas trip has been fukd up I really am gutted for them,I can't even imagine how Cos must be feeling but he has shown a lot more class than I would have in this situation.Anyone for that matter who had any kind of serious money invested in this.People who are defending Blatch live in a different world to the world I live in,I can't believe Blatch thought it was a good idea after knocking in 70k of people's money lets take another 5k from people on blonde who class me as a friend to try and get out,this is absolutely shocking imo.I also don't believe it's even possible to sleep in until past 12 when you have 70k riding on something,this doesn't make sense at all.The fact that you then spent months pissing away money playing poker comps, going on holiday,gambling and basically doing anything other than your basic life necessities is a disgrace.

Something that is confusing me also,if the result of the game had have went differently would Blatch have won mad amounts of money,I don't understand this bit at all ? Why would you lay off the result to get 15% of the roll back, surely you would let it ride and hope to win ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: vegaslover on June 18, 2010, 10:53:58 PM

I played the GUKPT main event last March, and ended up sitting to the direct left of Blatch, who was to the direct left of George. It was one of the funnest times I've had at a table because of the banter that went down between us. I find it hard to believe that someone in such a big hole could act in this way, and the trip to Florida and facebook updates hardly suggested a man in personal turmoil. He also complained very convincingly about being grimmed himself to the tune of ~$5k. Perhaps it was all just a front/act, but it was a bloody good one, and I seriously doubt there was any intention to come clean down the line.

I'm not sure I buy the "didn't wake up" story, it's obvious there have been so many stories over recent months that it is hard to decipher what statements that are made have any truth attached to them.

The guy is a psychopath


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Royal Flush on June 18, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
Disgusting. In answer to your text blatch, no i don't have any $ you can have when you get here.

This is so worse than any other grim i have heard about, what makes it worse is that i kinda thought it was a grim from the start and didn't do enough to share my opinion with others, like pab.

As for arbboy, the guy is awesome, i don't know exactly what he posted but i for one think he should be given a second chance (should he want one) as long as he didn't do anything way out of line. Anyone who knows him will probably agree with me.

As for people getting money back, gl. It won't happen. I just hope to good the guy isnt stupid enough to turn up to any poker events.

I feel worst of all for the likes of George/Kin/Greeky/Pie etc, not only have you all done money but you've been betrayed by someone you thought of as a good friend.

P.S. Someone plz send the acct detail stuff to arbboy as he will be able to figure out what happened very quickly.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 10:56:35 PM
Linux, I saw the cricket trades too, I can't believe he was able to back at 1.01 to be honest.  One was for a Bangladesh batsman to hit a 50.  He only got 13 in the innings so I'm guessing the bet was made at the start when surely the odds would have been more than 1.01.

Baron, I made the Stoke game a profit too.  In fact, I make the total footy trading figures a profit. I'm trying to work out where the descrepency lies at the moment but the sheet is huge and dragging my oldish computer down!

So he laid 1.01 with 1 hand and backed with the other ?

I think so


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ripple11 on June 18, 2010, 10:57:21 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48335.0

This thread seems like a sick fucking rubdown in hindsight


Just a couple of hundred for me, so no big deal compared to some.......................but I did wonder a bit when this was posted!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 18, 2010, 11:00:12 PM
Guys we've removed the original thread temporarily. Concerns were expressed that the thread could be removed and obvoiusly you will all want it retained as a matter of record.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ismene on June 18, 2010, 11:01:36 PM
I have looked over this spreadsheet for about 15 minutes, and can see already that the total won from the Pool Stoke game in question was actually £22088.65 judging by the spreadsheet.

I can also see two bets on the 21/01/2010 line number 3033 and 3034.... £5000 each time backing Raquibul Hasan in Bangladesh vs India first test @1.01. and the second time backing Niclas Fasth in Group B of the Abu Dhabi Champs.

Both bets in my opinion Blatch new had barely no chance of winning, and are low volume markets. It certainly looks to me like he has put up £5000 to lay at 1.01 on his own betfair account (knowing nobody would take that bet), and logged in on the trading account and backed it for £5k. Both times, within 6 hours of each other. Obviously both bets lost as they are more like 1000 than 1.01 and Blatch makes £10k just like that.

I know this can be done btw as I have done it from one of my betfair accounts to another......


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Sighmuns on June 18, 2010, 11:04:08 PM

As for arbboy, the guy is awesome


Disagree.

I don't know Blatch and have nothing tied up in this, but please try not to give the guy too hard a time. The fact he's hardly been on here the past few days and been generally vague when he has would suggest he just has a major gambling problem imo. Now is likely to be the time the abuse flows, after England have blown out again and a few beers have been taken, but try to resist. If he is in up to his nuts, reading torrents of abuse isn't going to help.
Whether his story is completely genuine, which I'd somehow doubt, or not, there's not much he can do about it now.
Oh, and arbboy's original intention when bombing this thread certainly wasn't to expose the whole thing as one major grim. He's changed his story at least three times.

Also, although this was always going to be an unpopular post right now, imo it's admirable


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 11:04:53 PM
Guys, don't get carried away with the spreadsheet.  No disrespect to anyone's intelligence, but it isn't going to give you the answers for sure.  It might if you combed thru his personal account at the same time to see if he was ever on the other side to one of the Blonde trades, (i.e. trading deliberately badly with the stake in order to create an arb for his personal account - the Bangla cricket bet a prime example)  There are soooo many different ways a rogue trader could be achieveing a dishonest $ out of the account, just totting up the results is futile.

The spreadsheet was first discussed as a way of establishing guilt.  I think that has been established beyond doubt now.  Forget about P&L, I would suggest the debt = sum of investor deposits and leave it at that.

As with Dutch Boyd, it is such a large amount that should it ever be raised, I doubt any but a select few are going to get weighed in.

The ultimate KITN was the WSOP thread, which is just outright theft with clear intent.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 11:05:41 PM
I have looked over this spreadsheet for about 15 minutes, and can see already that the total won from the Pool Stoke game in question was actually £22088.65 judging by the spreadsheet.

I can also see two bets on the 21/01/2010 line number 3033 and 3034.... £5000 each time backing Raquibul Hasan in Bangladesh vs India first test @1.01. and the second time backing Niclas Fasth in Group B of the Abu Dhabi Champs.

Both bets in my opinion Blatch new had barely no chance of winning, and are low volume markets. It certainly looks to me like he has put up £5000 to lay at 1.01 on his own betfair account (knowing nobody would take that bet), and logged in on the trading account and backed it for £5k. Both times, within 6 hours of each other. Obviously both bets lost as they are more like 1000 than 1.01 and Blatch makes £10k just like that.

I know this can be done btw as I have done it from one of my betfair accounts to another......

this was my next question

how do we know the bets werent "against" his own personal account? so basically he is just transferring money by betting with himself (kinda where i was going with my other post)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Blatch on June 18, 2010, 11:08:52 PM
I did try and move money between accounts but this wasnt to steal money out of the account it was simply so I could try to trade in my other account.

I will open up my account to Tighty to show that the acount is emptied and has lost the money.

I am truly sorry that this has happened and misled and lied to everyone.  Im physically shaking and have been sick a few times by this and really need some help for the organisations out there.

People will get there money back im just not sure when it will be, but it willl be as soon as I have any.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ismene on June 18, 2010, 11:09:32 PM
I have looked over this spreadsheet for about 15 minutes, and can see already that the total won from the Pool Stoke game in question was actually £22088.65 judging by the spreadsheet.

I can also see two bets on the 21/01/2010 line number 3033 and 3034.... £5000 each time backing Raquibul Hasan in Bangladesh vs India first test @1.01. and the second time backing Niclas Fasth in Group B of the Abu Dhabi Champs.

Both bets in my opinion Blatch new had barely no chance of winning, and are low volume markets. It certainly looks to me like he has put up £5000 to lay at 1.01 on his own betfair account (knowing nobody would take that bet), and logged in on the trading account and backed it for £5k. Both times, within 6 hours of each other. Obviously both bets lost as they are more like 1000 than 1.01 and Blatch makes £10k just like that.

I know this can be done btw as I have done it from one of my betfair accounts to another......

this was my next question

how do we know the bets werent "against" his own personal account? so basically he is just transferring money by betting with himself (kinda where i was going with my other post)

if it wasnt with his own account he is a worse punter than scottish dave! its sick


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 18, 2010, 11:10:53 PM
The more I hear about this the more it seems like something more serious is at play and may even be a criminal matter for all of the money not only that that was sent to Blatch after the 16th january or whenever the Stoke-Liverpool game was.

Feel free to flame away but would be willing to take a look.  Have more than 10 years experience on both sides of the fence.  FWIW Mark (arbboy) is also very willing to help and does have the requisite experience.  Its a genuine offer.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ismene on June 18, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
I did try and move money between accounts but this wasnt to steal money out of the account it was simply so I could try to trade in my other account.



What difference did it make if you lost it on one account or the other?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 18, 2010, 11:11:41 PM
I think Simon's post sums the situation up perfectly.  Nothing to be gained from a post mortem of the spreadsheet and a disection of the individual bets.

100% of the investment has been squandered, and we're not getting anything back. To think we might is delusion imo.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 18, 2010, 11:11:51 PM
I have looked over this spreadsheet for about 15 minutes, and can see already that the total won from the Pool Stoke game in question was actually £22088.65 judging by the spreadsheet.

I can also see two bets on the 21/01/2010 line number 3033 and 3034.... £5000 each time backing Raquibul Hasan in Bangladesh vs India first test @1.01. and the second time backing Niclas Fasth in Group B of the Abu Dhabi Champs.

Both bets in my opinion Blatch new had barely no chance of winning, and are low volume markets. It certainly looks to me like he has put up £5000 to lay at 1.01 on his own betfair account (knowing nobody would take that bet), and logged in on the trading account and backed it for £5k. Both times, within 6 hours of each other. Obviously both bets lost as they are more like 1000 than 1.01 and Blatch makes £10k just like that.

I know this can be done btw as I have done it from one of my betfair accounts to another......

this was my next question

how do we know the bets werent "against" his own personal account? so basically he is just transferring money by betting with himself (kinda where i was going with my other post)

if it wasnt with his own account he is a worse punter than scottish dave! its sick
Dave is a legend compared to this 10 bob millionaire.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 18, 2010, 11:12:00 PM
So the stoke game where he slept in was on the 16th Jan
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/match/fixtures/archive/season/2009+-+2010/team/first-team

why on the 13th jan onwards was there a load of tennis bets ranging for £3 to nearly £13k

Care to answer this blatch?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: scotty2hatty on June 18, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
I did try and move money between accounts but this wasnt to steal money out of the account it was simply so I could try to trade in my other account.

[ ] Believable


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 18, 2010, 11:14:59 PM
I did try and move money between accounts but this wasnt to steal money out of the account it was simply so I could try to trade in my other account.

I will open up my account to Tighty to show that the acount is emptied and has lost the money.

I am truly sorry that this has happened and misled and lied to everyone.  Im physically shaking and have been sick a few times by this and really need some help for the organisations out there.

People will get there money back im just not sure when it will be, but it willl be as soon as I have any.

Sounds like you are just brickin it bigtime cos reality is setting in that you have just  been CAUGHT !


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 11:18:56 PM
I think Simon's post sums the situation up perfectly.  Nothing to be gained from a post mortem of the spreadsheet and a disection of the individual bets.

100% of the investment has been squandered, and we're not getting anything back. To think we might is delusion imo.

if we went to police and he got done for fraud/theft and had 70K assets would we get our money back? you believe he is busto cos he says so yet it seems likely that the trade he says he lost 50K on he actually won 22K. if the spreadsheet says he's 40K up that's 110K plus the money syphoned off to other accounts he could be sitting on a small fortune


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 11:20:58 PM
and how do we know it was 70K invested? it should be clear by now that we can't trust anything he says.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ripple11 on June 18, 2010, 11:21:15 PM
I think Simon's post sums the situation up perfectly.  Nothing to be gained from a post mortem of the spreadsheet and a disection of the individual bets.

100% of the investment has been squandered, and we're not getting anything back. To think we might is delusion imo.

I think it matters whether it was gambled (whilst sleeping and/or just badly) and lost,.......or whether it was transfered out to bank accounts to fund other things.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ismene on June 18, 2010, 11:23:00 PM
ha, i found that he put up £5000 at 1.01 osullivan vs selby frame betting on 17/01/2010, but it was cancelled.... maybe he does have a conscience.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 18, 2010, 11:24:31 PM
grim of the century

just lie upon lie.
think planned all along.watch him disappear with ur money safely pugged away somewhere


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Girgy85 on June 18, 2010, 11:26:07 PM
SOLID


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Matt50 on June 18, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
Wow, just wow.
I am lucky that i wasnt one of the people to invest in this staking thread, but I was one of the people to be 'conned' into giving Blatch money for the WSOP.
I actually feel like the money has been stolen out of my bank account the way it has happened!

So many things dont add up on this thread, most of all Blatch's replies to most of the questions being posed and the way he has carried on his 'normal' life over the last few months.  I doubt many people could carry that off having genuinely lost that amount of money.

Personally I reckon we are only a few hours from the truth being uncovered and the first call being made to the police.

If i ever see my money again I will be amazed!

nh Blatch, you had a good run


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 18, 2010, 11:28:14 PM
 Is the money in Miami / florida ? Was it all lost ? Were there any purchases ? Is he owed any money ? Do his private bank accounts have any money in them ?
This really is a matter for the police surely ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 18, 2010, 11:30:05 PM
It is absolutely vital to know how the money was lost.  In one case there are potential criminal case to be answered.  The other case put forward by Blatch suggests that the money as lost on the basis of one of the risks of participating in the scheme.  Given what some who have seen the spreadsheets have said I would bet 1-5 the former and then (if the cps could get their head around it which I doubt) then there would be the ability for those that have been defrauded to have legal recompense to their funds through anything legally recovered.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 18, 2010, 11:31:15 PM
investors stop pussyfooting around and get the police invloved now!!! a forensic accountant could track these trades fairly easily but the longer it goes the harder it will to get your money back;

maybe he is a degen and lost the lot, maybe not!!! but I know with the amounts of money invloved I'd be going with the doubt in my mind!!!

also as a footnote...I dont understand it....how the fuck can you lose the vast of £80k in one transaction...not even with the worst bankroll management can this actually happen????


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Matt50 on June 18, 2010, 11:32:11 PM
Has the staking thread for the WSOP been removed as well?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 18, 2010, 11:32:29 PM
What the sheet does show is that the Stoke game wasnt the cause.  Would quite welcome some sort of truth.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 11:34:59 PM
with regard to getting money back, no-one is getting any money via a criminal prosecution - he will just declare bankrupt  - gg debt

the only way people will get money back is if he honours the debts personally

all the police will do is prosecute - if that is what people want so be it - -but dont kid yourself into believing this will retrieve the funds (unless he still has them)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Matt50 on June 18, 2010, 11:36:34 PM
If it was the Stoke game and as Blatch says he woke up with 15 minutes to go then there wouldnt have been a problem.

If he had backed Liverpool and expected to lay off when their price dropped he would have woken up and they would have been 1-0 up and he could have traded out for a huge profit.

If he had layed Liverpool and expected to back them back when their price drifted, the match finished 1-1 and he would have won the bet!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 11:37:25 PM
people suggesting he still has the 90k (80k on this 10k on wsop) is ridic, after everything that's happenned do you really think he'd still hide away with 90k?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 18, 2010, 11:37:56 PM
The police will be the least of his worries!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 18, 2010, 11:38:13 PM
If you dont let the police investigate you will never know the whole truth or be able to get it !!!
It appears there are now  many many unanswered questions .


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: EvilPie on June 18, 2010, 11:39:51 PM
lol at getting the rozzers in. you really think a forensic accountant gives a shit about a 70k mini grim?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 11:40:03 PM
people suggesting he still has the 90k (80k on this 10k on wsop) is ridic, after everything that's happenned do you really think he'd still hide away with 90k?

80 + 40 won + 15 siphoned + 10 WSOP you're saying he has spent 145K in the last few months?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 18, 2010, 11:40:34 PM
with regard to getting money back, no-one is getting any money via a criminal prosecution - he will just declare bankrupt  - gg debt

the only way people will get money back is if he honours the debts personally

all the police will do is prosecute - if that is what people want so be it - -but dont kid yourself into believing this will retrieve the funds (unless he still has them)

I wouldnt care a jot about the money(well relatively in what I'd want to happen to the ultimate grimmer) but if there was criminal action from the grimmer I'd be more than happy to see him receive a conviction/sentence!!!

also there is option C. dont want to throw wild conspiracy theories but I've heard Blatch said he will pay every investor their dosh back....he could have maybe won a lot of dosh as mentioned initially; made up this excuse for a "get out"; eventually pay all the very relieved investors their money back and walk away with the meat...everyone relatively happy/relieved!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 11:40:58 PM
HI IM WONDERING IF BLATCH IS ABOUT, I HAVE HIS FUNDS SECURED IN THE BRANCH SAFE AND WAS JUST WONDERING IF HE CAN PICK UP HIS TICKETS TO BRAZIL ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY

THANKS BLATCHS TRAVEL AGENT

QFT


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 18, 2010, 11:41:47 PM
"(unless he still has them)"

I dont think anyone can be sure this isnt the case.  It sounds fairly certain he didn't lose the money in the way he has described and there seem to be a number of bets on fairly strange looking bets on very illiquid markets on Betfair.  If I wanted to rob someones betfair account then I would do it this way through bets at unlikely odds that got matched very quickly (in fact a few years ago when I was running a big book in the Caribbean someone did try and rob us in just this way).  The big question is why?

Another couple of questions?  Betfair don't allow you to have two separate accounts in your own name.  If you want to do this they give you a sub account on the same commission rate so  assuming jhis own personal account was in his name whose account was the blonde account in and why wasn't the second account opened as a sub which could benefit from the same commission rate?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 18, 2010, 11:42:26 PM

Omg


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Boba Fett on June 18, 2010, 11:43:22 PM
No matter how long it takes I dont think it's unreasonable to expect to be repaid. I invested last week before the world cup, an investment that had no intention of making me a profit but to be used to try to recover the originial accident and the subsequent money lost to chase the losses. If I'd invested originally and it was lost I'd maybe be willing to write it off, especially since I'm not in for as much as most, but my cash was never invested once in the intended way and I EXPECT it to be paid back


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 18, 2010, 11:44:38 PM
lol at getting the rozzers in. you really think a forensic accountant gives a shit about a 70k mini grim?

Forensic accountants investigate fraud for less than £1k FYI depending on circumstances; this would 100% be investigated


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 18, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
people suggesting he still has the 90k (80k on this 10k on wsop) is ridic, after everything that's happenned do you really think he'd still hide away with 90k?

80 + 40 won + 15 siphoned + 10 WSOP you're saying he has spent 145K in the last few months?

isuldur1 LDO.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 11:45:41 PM
Quote
to recover the originial accident

what accident?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Boba Fett on June 18, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
Quote
to recover the originial accident

what accident?
the falling asleep and doing 50k accident


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 11:47:44 PM
Quote
to recover the originial accident

what accident?
the falling asleep and doing 50k accident

the falling asleep bit might be true but it actually won him 22K


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 18, 2010, 11:49:14 PM
I think he's at it...is my objective view


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ripple11 on June 18, 2010, 11:49:36 PM
 Blimey, if all those viewing this thread gave a tenner, ...we'd be almost there :D


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 18, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
Quote
to recover the originial accident

what accident?
the falling asleep and doing 50k accident

the falling asleep bit might be true but it actually won him 22K

So he won won money on this game? such a tangled web i have no idea what to think


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: jizzemm on June 18, 2010, 11:52:20 PM
This thread even brings grandad back home

Welcome back tony... Good luck with this one


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 18, 2010, 11:54:14 PM
calm down dave ffs.

did you have 80 pence on Algeria?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 18, 2010, 11:54:29 PM
I have looked over this spreadsheet for about 15 minutes, and can see already that the total won from the Pool Stoke game in question was actually £22088.65 judging by the spreadsheet.

I can also see two bets on the 21/01/2010 line number 3033 and 3034.... £5000 each time backing Raquibul Hasan in Bangladesh vs India first test @1.01. and the second time backing Niclas Fasth in Group B of the Abu Dhabi Champs.

Both bets in my opinion Blatch new had barely no chance of winning, and are low volume markets. It certainly looks to me like he has put up £5000 to lay at 1.01 on his own betfair account (knowing nobody would take that bet), and logged in on the trading account and backed it for £5k. Both times, within 6 hours of each other. Obviously both bets lost as they are more like 1000 than 1.01 and Blatch makes £10k just like that.

I know this can be done btw as I have done it from one of my betfair accounts to another......



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 18, 2010, 11:54:41 PM
Disgusting. In answer to your text blatch, no i don't have any $ you can have when you get here.

This is so worse than any other grim i have heard about, what makes it worse is that i kinda thought it was a grim from the start and didn't do enough to share my opinion with others, like pab.

As for arbboy, the guy is awesome, i don't know exactly what he posted but i for one think he should be given a second chance (should he want one) as long as he didn't do anything way out of line. Anyone who knows him will probably agree with me.

As for people getting money back, gl. It won't happen. I just hope to good the guy isnt stupid enough to turn up to any poker events.

I feel worst of all for the likes of George/Kin/Greeky/Pie etc, not only have you all done money but you've been betrayed by someone you thought of as a good friend.

P.S. Someone plz send the acct detail stuff to arbboy as he will be able to figure out what happened very quickly.


OMG...is blatch still going to vegas..is this where the money is?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 18, 2010, 11:57:30 PM
Blimey, if all those viewing this thread gave a tenner, ...we'd be almost there :D

eveyone DID give a tenner, thats the problem..


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 18, 2010, 11:59:49 PM
Blimey, if all those viewing this thread gave a tenner, ...we'd be almost there :D

eveyone DID give a tenner, thats the problem..

i wish it was only a tenner


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NigDawG on June 19, 2010, 12:01:46 AM
i wasn't part of the betfair trading but i guess this means you won't be coming out to vegas with my $ and i've basically been freerolling you so far out here neil?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 19, 2010, 12:03:09 AM
i wasn't part of the betfair trading but i guess this means you won't be coming out to vegas with my $ and i've basically been freerolling you so far out here neil?
Add it to the bill.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ginger on June 19, 2010, 12:03:33 AM

Its a girls account but almost everyone knows who it is. The initial remark was uncalled for.

Which is why I removed it, but you all keep quoting it.....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ginger on June 19, 2010, 12:06:16 AM

Its a girls account but almost everyone knows who it is. The initial remark was uncalled for.

Which is why I removed it, but you all keep quoting it.....

All gone.

Be good, keep calm, carry on x


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NigDawG on June 19, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
surely thread should be retitled

Discussions about: Stealing - Betfair Football Trading


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 19, 2010, 12:19:10 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Sighmuns on June 19, 2010, 12:22:45 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 12:23:43 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls

not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 19, 2010, 12:24:54 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls
Withdrawls lol, obv if he is rubbing it in his titties right now he laid it @ 1.01 to another acc.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 12:25:17 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls

not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.

plus skolsuper saying he has another 10k invested in other things with blatch or 'other dealings' someone else earlier said he was owed 2k from blatch, wsop money, who the fk knows what else...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 12:26:31 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls



not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.

can you tell which other account was bet against on BF? is it the same account all the time? - or is that just me being  hopeful?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Sighmuns on June 19, 2010, 12:28:23 AM
I understood that the money laundering done by trading at 1.01's was between the conglomerate account and his own one. If his main personal account doesnt show the opposite side of the 1.01 then there's more to be looked into.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ripple11 on June 19, 2010, 12:28:35 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls

not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.

Yes check any withdrawals on the two accounts.
The two accounts will show the double entry...... for example the two £5k bets at 1.01 going from one a/c to another.....otherwise there is another account.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 12:34:23 AM
Well I am the 5% PM person on the cash WSOP and Im paid up, and I dont think I am out of order saying that stu rutter paid up for his huge chunk of the main event side too - thats like 3k+

This is my biggest concern that dawned on me a couple of hours ago.............. the are thousands if not tens of thousands ADDITIONAL to the stake money that have been sent since

thats why i asked what his BF rolll was.

Blatch seems failry shrewd when it comes to betting (normally) and all these 1.01 bets just dont make a fucking sense other than him creaming the money off.

I wanted to believe him, but since my post a few hours ago, and after the win was identified on the Liverpool stoke game, i dont see how i can.

I do believe that he might have degen'd off all the money -  but no-one is looking at this spreadsheet and saying yeah we can see where it all is?

how long would a forensic review take of the spreadsheets by arbboy or redsimon (or anyone else who offered?) - is this a day   - a week?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NigDawG on June 19, 2010, 12:36:24 AM
oh and i know of arbboy IRL, he is def a character lol.

while i initially thought his posts were very repetitive and a bit close to the line (bear in mind i'm only catching up on this thread now and assume some of it has been - possibly heavily - edited by mods) given the seriousness of the actual revelations to come to light they are completely justified imo.

yes he started by making a point about the south korea match, but ultimately he was making other points and asking the sort questions that should of been more purposefully brought up weeks and months ago by those with a vested interest. had they done so then perhaps the problem wouldn't have escalated to what it has become now.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ginger on June 19, 2010, 12:37:26 AM

Its a girls account but almost everyone knows who it is. The initial remark was uncalled for.

Which is why I removed it, but you all keep quoting it.....

All gone.
Pls remove my I love dave post as it was in response to the deleted messages and people will think I love him. Also delete this one too!!
Be good, keep calm, carry on x

I always knew this was the case mate

and you're [ ] good with quoting on this board ;-)

lol you daft sod. I quoted my own post.

One of us is confused, but I'm too tired to work out which xx


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Tractor on June 19, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
im not an investor but surely Betfair may have a team of people to look at this and any accounts that have activity with his ip as there may be more accounts?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2010, 12:40:56 AM
Will betfair care?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 12:42:43 AM
Will betfair care?

I would think very much so-this would damage their rep quite badly- they take all kind of fraud quite seriously with snooker, nags etc so this in effect isnt much different


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 19, 2010, 12:43:12 AM
Will betfair care?

If there is fraudulent activity which this surely is (dumping money from one account to another) surely they have to investigate.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 19, 2010, 12:44:20 AM
sigh


Its a girls account but almost everyone knows who it is. The initial remark was uncalled for.

Which is why I removed it, but you all keep quoting it.....

All gone.
Pls remove my I love dave post as it was in response to the deleted messages and people will think I love him. Also delete this one too!!
Be good, keep calm, carry on x

I always knew this was the case mate

and you're [ ] good with quoting on this board ;-)

lol you daft sod. I quoted my own post.

One of us is confused, but I'm too tired to work out which xx


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2010, 12:45:08 AM
Will betfair care?

If there is fraudulent activity which this surely is (dumping money from one account to another) surely they have to investigate.



ok, was genuine question, i suppose you're right if thats whats happened.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Teacake on June 19, 2010, 12:48:36 AM


 ultimately he was making other points and asking the sort questions that should of been more purposefully brought up weeks and months ago by those with a vested interest. had they done so then perhaps the problem wouldn't have escalated to what it has become now.

Give that man a coconut. The lack of transparency in this "venture" was incredible, especially with the sums of money involved. The updates were laughable but you still got dozens of "solids" no matter whether it was win or loss posted.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 12:57:34 AM


 ultimately he was making other points and asking the sort questions that should of been more purposefully brought up weeks and months ago by those with a vested interest. had they done so then perhaps the problem wouldn't have escalated to what it has become now.

Give that man a coconut. The lack of transparency in this "venture" was incredible, especially with the sums of money involved. The updates were laughable but you still got dozens of "solids" no matter whether it was win or loss posted.

A lot of investors were getting frequent updates on a regular basis with their communications with Blatch.  Just because it wasn't all posted on the thread, doesn't mean there weren't updates.  Obviously, in hindsight they weren't enough.  But like I said before, I considered him a friend as well as someone I'd invested a decent chunk of money with.  Why wouldn't I trust him?

Also, questions were asked months ago, and more recently several weeks ago more and more questions were being asked - culminating in this all coming out now.

The only way going to the police could help the stakers see any return at all would be if the money has been syphoned off somewhere and is still in Blatch's possession.  Otherwise, as Guy said, it'll just lead to bankruptcy and the debts being written off and non-chaseable in the future.  As has been pointed out, there is definitely a non-zero chance that the money is still retrievable and so those owed money would be foolish not to consider the actions that have the greatest chance of bringing back any return at all.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 12:57:53 AM
 Do we think that this started out as a genuine venture that 'nice guy blatch " wanted to share his good judgement and potential  wealth with ?
 Or was it a more sinister contrived  plan to actually fund a playboy gamblers lifestyle with the delusion that 'the big win ' would keep him out of jail ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ForthThistle on June 19, 2010, 12:59:27 AM
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« Sent to: ForthThistle on: June 04, 2010, 05:48:49 PM »     

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Hey,

I sent a reply but not sure if it sent or not,

More than welcome to come aboard, I would prefer bank transfer to 13498687 and 72 50 03 or otherwise to Full Tilt to SickoChamp10K

Cheers.
 
How ironic is his Full Tilt Name SICKOCHAMP10K145K

I am disgusted by this PM i received last week prior to the World Cup Starting


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 01:00:13 AM
I havent replied till now because I went out last night and was in a pretty bad mood.  Ive also had a few things to do this morning and wanted to re read a few messages before I posted.  I dont feel that I have to reply but seeing as this is now over 13 pages of crap written its probably best that I do.  Ill try to answer as many questions that I can and hopefully put a finish on this so we can move on a bit.

Firstly Mark, and im assuming your Mark Wilson, I really dont know why you have this passionate hate for me.  Im not sure if you remember but around a year ago at DTD you had been drinking a bit and decided to sit at a cash game where I was playing whilst waiting for George to finish in the comp.  You simply sat down and played 6 hands in an hour and instead of playing you simply threw abuse at me for an hour.  I sat there and took assuming you were drunk and not really sure who you were.  The comments from you such as "I know who you are but im not telling you who I am" etc I found a bit weird.  It got to the point where 2 people and the dealer complained about the abuse and eventually 2 left because of it and then the game broke.  IIRC I had never spoken to you before nor even been at the same table.  So I can only assume that you hate me because your not known as "The Betfair Guy", im not claiming I am either but the sucess of this has to be the reason. 

As for some of your questions and other points you make, I think they have all been covered by other investors but if not ill try to cover most of them from memory.

I have never claimed to have any "information sources".  It is simply myself pricing up games and assuming / guessing / thinking which way the markets will move.  I apologise to my investors if they were led to believe different but I think this is quite clear on the OP and to all the investors that came on board.  I do however have places I look for reseeach / information / stats on the Internet and I have a spreadsheet of previous movements which I consult when certain factors are involved.

This South Korea vs Greece game, seems to be quite a big point for you.  It seems as if I have made a big mistake in missing this game, and yes, we could have made a big profit on this game.  I apologise to my investors if they were under the impression that I would be working on this trading 24/7 and treating it as my main job.  I also apologise if they thought I would be trading every single game, or if they thought I would be sacrificing my social life to do this.  As Simon Galloway points out on page 101, 2 posts off the bottom, he is quite clear as to what he expected and although I am annoyed I didnt see this one Im not going to apologise too much for it.  As already stated the whole of Saturday was going to be out for me, but I thought I would try to do the England game as previously it had worked well for me and more importantly the timing of the game wouldnt interfere at all with the rest of the day.

You also state that poker players have asked you about this.  I have no problem with you giving your advice but why dont you keep it to those that ask?  If you want to say im a joke and dont know what im doing to individuals that ask you directly then by all means tell them that, after all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You keep saying you have no axe to grind, but to myself and others it seems you clear do, from the events at DTD to over 14 pages of this now.

Your next point says you went to bet that I dont have a 2% commision account on page 91.  I have never claimed to have a 2% account and infact I hope I was quite open that this would be a new account and therefore the commision would have to start on 5%.  Again if I havent made this clear to anyone then I apologise.  Within the same point you claim I need staking for this.  The quite simple fact is that I dont.  This was however an experiment at the start of the season and again I hope I highlighted this quite well.  I wasnt sure if it was going to a sucess or not but I explained what I was hoping to do.  I didnt beg for staking nor did I force anyone to join.  The blonde forum has a great spirit about it and I believe investors saw an opputunity to hopefully make a few quid whilst having something to follow for the football season.  I hope I nevr portrayed this as a get rich quick scheme as this was never likely, but again if I did to anyone then I apologise.

For some weird reason you seem to think I have to know people to be good at this.  Your right, I probably dont know the top 5 players but I certainly know the number 1, and although I dont speak to him apart from when I see him maybe 2 or 3 times a year I dont see what this proves.   Why do I need to these players to make a profit?  Dont get me wrong it would help but its not a definate need.

Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

I think the next point you move onto was the roulette.  Its probably best that you dont listen to rumour like this but on this instance you are half correct.  Yes I did have a little play on the roulette and yes it was on the 28/29 section but it was £!k a spin and nor was it £50 notes.  I chucked over a bag of £20 notes that I had won at the cash game that night at DTD and spent just over half of it on around 4 or 5 spins.  I really dont see what I do with my cash is anyone business.

Next point - Staking.  I think this one has annoyed a few people as some of the greatest players in the World are staked, and each have their own reasons.  On some of the bigger events I like to sell a few % and for the cash game in Vegas I have sold half of my action.  There are many a reason why people get staked and normally lack of funds isnt one of them.  I could be mistaken but I believe Flushy is staked, Dubai is staked and even some of the Full Tilt red pros are staked full time.  I dont see staking as a weakness at all and so long as people are happy to stake me for certain events then ill keep offering it.  I still look at poker a sbeing a hobby.  A hobby that has produced me some good results and some very profitable ones.  I dont rely on poker for an income and maybe this is one of the reasons why I have had a few results.

Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

I believe the next point was about having the money in your account.  Funnily enough I dont see this as an option. 

I do feel slightly annoyed that everyone was hucky dory on here for around 7 or 8 months but as soon as I have 3 losers on the trot then people suddenyl want to see screenshots.  No-one ever questioned anything while things were going well but know its all different.  As I stated in the opening thread I would be happy to provide statements or even open the account up to people whilst at DTD.  I believe I have done this for 3 people involved and also 2 different people have watched me trade out of a game at DTD including Colchester Kev.  I do find it a bit insulting that people know want to see things but as said before I will do it.  I certainly wont be posting anything up on here for everyone to see but will happily supply things for investors only to see.

Finally it now seems that you are making MSN convo's up to further make me look bad.  I really dont see why your doing this but you really shouldnt involve others into this.  Tighty has confirmed that the other convo's didnt happen so why put this?

Im hoping this covers everything as I doubt im going to make such a reply again.  This really has annoyed me which is probably what you set out to achieve.  Again I just like to point out a few key statements: -

I have never claimed to know anyone that moves markets
I have never claimed to have a 2% account
I dont charge for what im doing
Im only doing this from my own judgement and was an experiment at the start of the season
I do have some money myself invested in this
I stand to gain a lot of knowledge from doing this which will help in other areas
I stand to gain an account that has a reduced commision.

Seriously sickening.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2010, 01:03:04 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls



not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.

can you tell which other account was bet against on BF? is it the same account all the time? - or is that just me being  hopeful?

Guy, Rooks has looked over it.

the total loss on that account from open to close was £43584.20

that works out to more than what was invested he believes but that includes 2 x £5k dumps


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 01:04:04 AM
I havent replied till now because I went out last night and was in a pretty bad mood.  Ive also had a few things to do this morning and wanted to re read a few messages before I posted.  I dont feel that I have to reply but seeing as this is now over 13 pages of crap written its probably best that I do.  Ill try to answer as many questions that I can and hopefully put a finish on this so we can move on a bit.

Firstly Mark, and im assuming your Mark Wilson, I really dont know why you have this passionate hate for me.  Im not sure if you remember but around a year ago at DTD you had been drinking a bit and decided to sit at a cash game where I was playing whilst waiting for George to finish in the comp.  You simply sat down and played 6 hands in an hour and instead of playing you simply threw abuse at me for an hour.  I sat there and took assuming you were drunk and not really sure who you were.  The comments from you such as "I know who you are but im not telling you who I am" etc I found a bit weird.  It got to the point where 2 people and the dealer complained about the abuse and eventually 2 left because of it and then the game broke.  IIRC I had never spoken to you before nor even been at the same table.  So I can only assume that you hate me because your not known as "The Betfair Guy", im not claiming I am either but the sucess of this has to be the reason. 

As for some of your questions and other points you make, I think they have all been covered by other investors but if not ill try to cover most of them from memory.

I have never claimed to have any "information sources".  It is simply myself pricing up games and assuming / guessing / thinking which way the markets will move.  I apologise to my investors if they were led to believe different but I think this is quite clear on the OP and to all the investors that came on board.  I do however have places I look for reseeach / information / stats on the Internet and I have a spreadsheet of previous movements which I consult when certain factors are involved.

This South Korea vs Greece game, seems to be quite a big point for you.  It seems as if I have made a big mistake in missing this game, and yes, we could have made a big profit on this game.  I apologise to my investors if they were under the impression that I would be working on this trading 24/7 and treating it as my main job.  I also apologise if they thought I would be trading every single game, or if they thought I would be sacrificing my social life to do this.  As Simon Galloway points out on page 101, 2 posts off the bottom, he is quite clear as to what he expected and although I am annoyed I didnt see this one Im not going to apologise too much for it.  As already stated the whole of Saturday was going to be out for me, but I thought I would try to do the England game as previously it had worked well for me and more importantly the timing of the game wouldnt interfere at all with the rest of the day.

You also state that poker players have asked you about this.  I have no problem with you giving your advice but why dont you keep it to those that ask?  If you want to say im a joke and dont know what im doing to individuals that ask you directly then by all means tell them that, after all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

You keep saying you have no axe to grind, but to myself and others it seems you clear do, from the events at DTD to over 14 pages of this now.

Your next point says you went to bet that I dont have a 2% commision account on page 91.  I have never claimed to have a 2% account and infact I hope I was quite open that this would be a new account and therefore the commision would have to start on 5%.  Again if I havent made this clear to anyone then I apologise.  Within the same point you claim I need staking for this.  The quite simple fact is that I dont.  This was however an experiment at the start of the season and again I hope I highlighted this quite well.  I wasnt sure if it was going to a sucess or not but I explained what I was hoping to do.  I didnt beg for staking nor did I force anyone to join.  The blonde forum has a great spirit about it and I believe investors saw an opputunity to hopefully make a few quid whilst having something to follow for the football season.  I hope I nevr portrayed this as a get rich quick scheme as this was never likely, but again if I did to anyone then I apologise.

For some weird reason you seem to think I have to know people to be good at this.  Your right, I probably dont know the top 5 players but I certainly know the number 1, and although I dont speak to him apart from when I see him maybe 2 or 3 times a year I dont see what this proves.   Why do I need to these players to make a profit?  Dont get me wrong it would help but its not a definate need.

Next point - Evilpie you are a %£$&, you well know im not in my 30's, simply my late 20's who had a tough paper round.

I think the next point you move onto was the roulette.  Its probably best that you dont listen to rumour like this but on this instance you are half correct.  Yes I did have a little play on the roulette and yes it was on the 28/29 section but it was £!k a spin and nor was it £50 notes.  I chucked over a bag of £20 notes that I had won at the cash game that night at DTD and spent just over half of it on around 4 or 5 spins.  I really dont see what I do with my cash is anyone business.

Next point - Staking.  I think this one has annoyed a few people as some of the greatest players in the World are staked, and each have their own reasons.  On some of the bigger events I like to sell a few % and for the cash game in Vegas I have sold half of my action.  There are many a reason why people get staked and normally lack of funds isnt one of them.  I could be mistaken but I believe Flushy is staked, Dubai is staked and even some of the Full Tilt red pros are staked full time.  I dont see staking as a weakness at all and so long as people are happy to stake me for certain events then ill keep offering it.  I still look at poker a sbeing a hobby.  A hobby that has produced me some good results and some very profitable ones.  I dont rely on poker for an income and maybe this is one of the reasons why I have had a few results.

Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

I believe the next point was about having the money in your account.  Funnily enough I dont see this as an option. 

I do feel slightly annoyed that everyone was hucky dory on here for around 7 or 8 months but as soon as I have 3 losers on the trot then people suddenyl want to see screenshots.  No-one ever questioned anything while things were going well but know its all different.  As I stated in the opening thread I would be happy to provide statements or even open the account up to people whilst at DTD.  I believe I have done this for 3 people involved and also 2 different people have watched me trade out of a game at DTD including Colchester Kev.  I do find it a bit insulting that people know want to see things but as said before I will do it.  I certainly wont be posting anything up on here for everyone to see but will happily supply things for investors only to see.

Finally it now seems that you are making MSN convo's up to further make me look bad.  I really dont see why your doing this but you really shouldnt involve others into this.  Tighty has confirmed that the other convo's didnt happen so why put this?

Im hoping this covers everything as I doubt im going to make such a reply again.  This really has annoyed me which is probably what you set out to achieve.  Again I just like to point out a few key statements: -

I have never claimed to know anyone that moves markets
I have never claimed to have a 2% account
I dont charge for what im doing
Im only doing this from my own judgement and was an experiment at the start of the season
I do have some money myself invested in this
I stand to gain a lot of knowledge from doing this which will help in other areas
I stand to gain an account that has a reduced commision.

Seriously sickening.

More sickening is that I spoke to him about it before then, and read that, and believed him.  I feel like a complete mug.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 19, 2010, 01:09:22 AM
Well I am the 5% PM person on the cash WSOP and Im paid up, and I dont think I am out of order saying that stu rutter paid up for his huge chunk of the main event side too - thats like 3k+

This is my biggest concern that dawned on me a couple of hours ago.............. the are thousands if not tens of thousands ADDITIONAL to the stake money that have been sent since

thats why i asked what his BF rolll was.

Blatch seems failry shrewd when it comes to betting (normally) and all these 1.01 bets just dont make a fucking sense other than him creaming the money off.

I wanted to believe him, but since my post a few hours ago, and after the win was identified on the Liverpool stoke game, i dont see how i can.

I do believe that he might have degen'd off all the money -  but no-one is looking at this spreadsheet and saying yeah we can see where it all is?

how long would a forensic review take of the spreadsheets by arbboy or redsimon (or anyone else who offered?) - is this a day   - a week?

To get an idea of whether or not there was significantly more to look into would probably take 3 days or so if there are as many line items as I suspect and my experience of Betfair accounting means it takes a bit of putting together.  From there if there is more to be looked into it wouold require some help from Betfair to understand who the counterparties are to the suspicious bets and then look at the moneytrail from there.  I couldn't honestly put a timeline on that.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 01:09:58 AM
Quote
Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

wasn't iwillwinlots (one of) the first to invest? was reading the first few pages of that thread earlier. what happened to the 250% profit lie?





Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobbybh on June 19, 2010, 01:13:31 AM
Quote
Then we have the whole MSN convo with Iwillwinlots.  Personally for you to state the convo once he has asked you specificaly not to was pretty wrong.  I have had a few PM's with him and although he knows im annoyed with the situation, it doesnt change anything.  He has asked to cash out and I have made him aware of the situation, he will get his money as soon as it arrives.  Although sadly he didnt make as much money as some, he has still made money.  The return isnt huge but £150 profit on a £700 for a few months is still more than reasonable and certainly alot more than what he would receive in the bank.

wasn't iwillwinlots (one of) the first to invest? was reading the first few pages of that thread earlier. what happened to the 250% profit lie?





iwillwinlots here, i suspected it was iffy when he told me i had a £50 profit on  a £700 stake when the same day he told others they were up 250%.

feel sick   about all of this and hes took everyone for mugs, karma is a bitch


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 01:13:48 AM

More sickening is that I spoke to him about it before then, and read that, and believed him.  I feel like a complete mug.

buddy i think there are plenty of us feeling like this

i had only recently got to know blatch, and i even sent him a text earlier which wasnt harsh at all...........and he responded politely.............. so i feel like he kept grimming me even after he was busted today


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: fivebetjam on June 19, 2010, 01:15:06 AM
http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/25085669/how_i_lost_100k_of_others_peoples_money_trading_on_betfair?sdb=1


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GrafhamGrinder on June 19, 2010, 01:15:29 AM
I heard iwillwinlots was a massive donk fish.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobbybh on June 19, 2010, 01:17:41 AM
I heard iwillwinlots was a massive donk fish.

says the guy sitting beside me losing 1k a hour


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 19, 2010, 01:21:41 AM
http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/25085669/how_i_lost_100k_of_others_peoples_money_trading_on_betfair?sdb=1

lol wtf?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobbybh on June 19, 2010, 01:23:16 AM
http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/25085669/how_i_lost_100k_of_others_peoples_money_trading_on_betfair?sdb=1

lol wtf?

that aint blatch


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 19, 2010, 01:23:47 AM
http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/25085669/how_i_lost_100k_of_others_peoples_money_trading_on_betfair?sdb=1

Doubt that is actually Blatch who posted that, his join date is yesterday.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pleno1 on June 19, 2010, 01:26:30 AM
yeah read the first post then posted here, obv not him lol.

some good points in there by their regs, some poker players are just far far too trusting. But it's nice that you can trust people etc, such a shame something like this has came about and will damage staking threads for the future.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 01:32:14 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls



not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.

can you tell which other account was bet against on BF? is it the same account all the time? - or is that just me being  hopeful?

Guy, Rooks has looked over it.

the total loss on that account from open to close was £43584.20

that works out to more than what was invested he believes but that includes 2 x £5k dumps


I'm looking at it too now and that's correct. A quick skirt through shows the account being used to bet on American Football, Tennis, Darts, F1, Cricket and Horse Racing amongst others.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 01:37:14 AM
So sick, this is even worst than I thought. I think the investors need to get together and decide on an appropriate way course of action. Asking questions of Blatch is completely pointless, his word cannot possibly be trusted. A full investigation needs to be carried out as there is deffo more than a zero possibility that Blatch has in fact made 100k+ out of this .



Can be cleared up by Cos, who now has access to Blatch's accounts, by checking the withdrawls



not if he did what others have suggested and laid certain bets then taken them from another account to which he has not given access to.

can you tell which other account was bet against on BF? is it the same account all the time? - or is that just me being  hopeful?

Guy, Rooks has looked over it.

the total loss on that account from open to close was £43584.20

that works out to more than what was invested he believes but that includes 2 x £5k dumps


I'm looking at it too now and that's correct. A quick skirt through shows the account being used to bet on American Football, Tennis, Darts, F1, Cricket and Horse Racing amongst others.

didnt he just post on here like 3 hours ago saying that he only very rarely traded 'in game' - sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

is this lkely to be a UK record for biggest grim?

Infact  - he also said that he deposited to try and get it back - is that true or shown at all?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobbybh on June 19, 2010, 01:42:57 AM
HITMAN!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 01:44:25 AM
Spotted something that's obviously very bad.

On March 1st, Blatch backs two tennis players against each other at 1.1 for both players in a qualifier match that probably had little trading on it at the time.


01-Mar-2010 00:00:00   01-Mar-2010 03:31:55      Settled      United kingdom   10234052970   101192407   Tennis      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk; Match Odds   Kristina Antoniychuk   Back   GBP      United kingdom      3,000.00      1.10   1.10   -3,000.00
01-Mar-2010 00:00:00   01-Mar-2010 03:31:55      Settled      United kingdom   10234052971   101192407   Tennis      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk; Match Odds   Olga Savchuk   Back   GBP      United kingdom      3,000.00      1.10   1.10   300.00


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sledge13 on June 19, 2010, 01:46:55 AM
 ;applause; This could be a mirror image of the Labour party and its pathetic leftist views, agree with Blatch all the way....hes right, hes perfect etc etc...oh hes a lying scumbag! ahhh um oh now we were agree we were wrong on immigration etc etc...Arbboy come back!!! we love you now!!!

Well thats my cliff notes, but seriously pretty schocked, used to look at Blatch's stuff and be amazed at his results.... :dontask:


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sledge13 on June 19, 2010, 01:52:08 AM
Ok that might have sounded like im making a joke of the situation, well obv there is a joker here somewhere...but all the decent people...I hope you get sorted...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 01:54:39 AM
I could go through both accounts if people want and tell you exactly how much and where it went.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 02:00:38 AM
I like the way he was 80k in the hole and he thought giving Greekstein tourny entries would get him out of it :)


Too early for jokes?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 02:02:29 AM
I could go through both accounts if people want and tell you exactly how much and where it went.

Is it possible that he has more than 2 accounts though- say in sisters/mums/dads name that he could trade out with also? he'd just deny these accounts being anything to do with him?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 02:04:10 AM
You can spot obvious wrong bets to xfer to accounts in seconds. So it's obvious it's been done on purpose


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 02:07:37 AM
OK MUGS

this is either the spreadsheet or my lesbian midget porn collection, thought maybe some of the betfair forum guys might take a look

http://rapidshare.com/files/400541349/BlondeBlatch.xls


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 19, 2010, 02:08:34 AM
Betting two sides of same qualifying match in womens tennis at 330am is nothing more than moving money between accounts IMO.  You would do it at that time in the morning to ensure nobody else picks up the wrong price I would imagine........I honestly think that someone needs to look into getting the authorities involved here if only to protect soe disgruntled investor taking this into their own hands.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 02:11:22 AM
Betting two sides of same qualifying match in womens tennis at 330am is nothing more than moving money between accounts IMO.  You would do it at that time in the morning to ensure nobody else picks up the wrong price I would imagine........I honestly think that someone needs to look into getting the authorities involved here if only to protect soe disgruntled investor taking this into their own hands.

this is true, we usedto do this all the time to pass funds on betfair


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 02:13:28 AM
Betting two sides of same qualifying match in womens tennis at 330am is nothing more than moving money between accounts IMO.  You would do it at that time in the morning to ensure nobody else picks up the wrong price I would imagine........I honestly think that someone needs to look into getting the authorities involved here if only to protect soe disgruntled investor taking this into their own hands.

this is true, we usedto do this all the time to pass funds on betfair

lol is this why you got banned?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 02:14:55 AM
Haha no but before poker was around we would use this go pay money to people on betfair


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 02:16:08 AM
a lot cheaper than paypal


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 02:22:11 AM
Gets worse and worse,I feel sick I defended him only 2 days ago,and i've only been in the same group as him once with blackbelt,can't imagine how his "friends" are feeling.

Seem to have a great skill at being a deceitful little scumbag Blatch,I hope you get what's coming to you.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 02:24:00 AM
I was going to try and act as mediator but after a long think on the long bus journey home from work I just can't do it. Whole thing has made me feel a sick that someone who was my friend as well as my staker could do this to me. Neil was supposed to be my friend.

Fuck knows how it's going to affect my relationship at home when I tell my dad as well as ruining my dream of going to Vegas in a few months that I'd worked hard on and off the table for a while to pay for.

I'm not going on a hate Neil campaign, a part of me wants to but I still feel a bit sorry for him and I will still be posing questions and trying to get answers from the thread.



If he is your staker,has he already gotten his hands on that $5k bink you had the other day?

You deserve credit for how you've handled this situation.I believe your own suspicion has grown slowly over the last week or so hence the urgency of you asking for info but it must be a huge blow to take for the likes of yourself,George and those who thought they were closest to him.

Hopefully your old man can take a read of this thread and see what a good job he did of fooling everybody for months and realise you were just one of many that were duped.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Camel on June 19, 2010, 02:25:38 AM
Christ, I just found this thread.

Don't know what to say really except GreekStein is a diamond and this is a really sad day for Blondepoker.

Sorry guys.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 02:30:44 AM
Betting two sides of same qualifying match in womens tennis at 330am is nothing more than moving money between accounts IMO.  You would do it at that time in the morning to ensure nobody else picks up the wrong price I would imagine........I honestly think that someone needs to look into getting the authorities involved here if only to protect soe disgruntled investor taking this into their own hands.

I agree. It stinks and I would pretty much guess that the person who snapped up these bets was Blatch.

Someone is going to do a much better job than I have of going through this, I doff my cap to accountants or proper traders. It's a tough job but so far, I've looked through the last three months of profit and loss (there is nothing for April)

March   -12675.11
May   -453.69
June   -74.58

Obviously March is so different compared to the other two, I broke it down into the main losses.

Zheng v Sharapova   -1580.49
Kohlschreiber v Djokovic -3006.71
Liverpool vs Portsmouth (laid over 3.5 goals then tried to back under 4.5 goals) -957.65
Man Utd v Fulham (betting over 1.5 goals then later under 1.5 goals) -646.8
Lewis v Whitlock -1507.41
Jenkins v Barneveld -1178.56
Taylor v King -1148.27
Wigan v Liverpool -2145.66


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: BAM on June 19, 2010, 02:34:25 AM
confidence is a preference for the habitual voyeur of what is know as............


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Camel on June 19, 2010, 02:35:55 AM
The thing that really really makes me feel sick are all the updates since the "falling asleep" episode which were purely figments of his imagination.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 19, 2010, 02:38:17 AM
The trading on Liverpool Stoke game is really weird.

His positions the night before were lay Liverpool and back Stoke, obv waiting for Liverpool to drift/ Stoke to come in. On the original thread it was mentioned how this game was likely to be a big shift with Liverpool having injuries (I think this was by Bookiebasher not Blatch). Blatch seems to have laid Liverpool at about 2.26 which from recollection was a massive drift from about 1.7, basically he missed the boat.

Anyway the game is a 12:45 ko and Blatch doesn't trade again but to back Liverpool at 14:37 which would be in dying minutes of injury time. By this time obv Stoke have equalised (which was an injury time equaliser) and Liverpool are now 9.6 to win with basically no time left. If he just lets the lot ride at this point he makes a killling so why go in again.

There is no evidence he backed Liverpool to save some of the roll while Liverpool were winning.

Anyone got a good explanation for this?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 02:39:44 AM
I've known and met a lot of people who have systems and do 'paper trades' and I've got to give Blatch his due, he is the first person I've known to ever declare himself a losing paper trader!!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2010, 02:41:01 AM
I've known and met a lot of people who have systems and do 'paper trades' and I've got to give Blatch his due, he is the first person I've known to ever declare himself a losing paper trader!!!

LOL


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 19, 2010, 02:42:56 AM
shocking stuff here, seriously, someone needs to contact Betfair and get the security dept to invetsigate this and the police should be involved, judging by what I am reading here this looks like it could be theft.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 02:45:51 AM
OMG losses in February alone come to -£45474.17...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Dubai on June 19, 2010, 02:46:23 AM
Betfair won't and shouldn't disclose any details. Even if they looked into it i doubt who they would tell.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: action man on June 19, 2010, 02:48:03 AM
HITMAN!

gg youve just given scores of disgruntled people a prime suspect.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Layer on June 19, 2010, 02:51:51 AM
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7916/dddsw.jpg)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 02:54:45 AM
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tbf that is good


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sledge13 on June 19, 2010, 02:55:50 AM
Ruffy nadol says:
 grime
 wats grime
 aint that a musical genre?
 I already got another Florida booked....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 02:58:06 AM
.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48436.0


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nem on June 19, 2010, 03:06:31 AM
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LoL


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2010, 03:12:53 AM
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7916/dddsw.jpg)

:-)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Camel on June 19, 2010, 03:19:05 AM
Well, at least the geezer isn't hiding.

Everyone knew there was some element of risk in the venture, and if he had fronted up straight away it would have been hard to stomach but you would have to accept it.

The fact he's been taking new investments and puntinmg merrily away for 6 months is unbelieveable.

I hope he makes good on his promise to pay everyone back.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: maryhadalamb on June 19, 2010, 03:28:07 AM
"Everyone knew there was some element of risk in the venture, and if he had fronted up straight away it would have been hard to stomach but you would have to accept it."

Yeh, this is true, if he had overslept, it would indeed have been human error that investors should take on the chin. In light of some of the other information appearing I think it would be wise to mantain a degree of scepticism on the snoozing episode though. Not informing the punters and encouraging further investment is indefensible, however, and is more like some kind of ponzi scheme.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 03:47:46 AM
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00         Cancelled      United kingdom   10144253091   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      78,000.00      1.28      
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00   18-Feb-2010 20:08:24      Settled      United kingdom   10144281042   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      50,524.08      1.27   1.27   13,641.51

These bets were made on the 18th Feb. The total loss from then until the end of the spreadsheet was -21058.68, so I am right in thinking we have around £29,000 not accounted for or am I just tired and confused lol?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 03:55:08 AM
16-Feb-2010 00:00:00   16-Feb-2010 21:28:45      Settled      United kingdom   10127666063   101065549   Cricket      India v South Africa - 2nd Test / SA 2nd Inns Runs         100 Runs or more   Lay Asian   GBP      United kingdom      45.00      1.03   1.03   -1.35
16-Feb-2010 00:00:00   16-Feb-2010 21:28:55      Settled      United kingdom   10127667208   101065549   Cricket      India v South Africa - 2nd Test / SA 2nd Inns Runs         100 Runs or more   Lay Asian   GBP      United kingdom      8.00      999.00   999.00   -7,984.00


Another dodgy looking bet - taking both extremes on the South Africa second innings.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Camel on June 19, 2010, 03:56:57 AM
"Everyone knew there was some element of risk in the venture, and if he had fronted up straight away it would have been hard to stomach but you would have to accept it."

Yeh, this is true, if he had overslept, it would indeed have been human error that investors should take on the chin. In light of some of the other information appearing I think it would be wise to mantain a degree of scepticism on the snoozing episode though. Not informing the punters and encouraging further investment is indefensible, however, and is more like some kind of ponzi scheme.

I am not defending Neil in any way, shape or form.

I am just suggesting what he should have done if his story is true.

Which is totally pointless I know.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: jizzemm on June 19, 2010, 03:57:14 AM
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00         Cancelled      United kingdom   10144253091   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      78,000.00      1.28      
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00   18-Feb-2010 20:08:24      Settled      United kingdom   10144281042   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      50,524.08      1.27   1.27   13,641.51

These bets were made on the 18th Feb. The total loss from then until the end of the spreadsheet was -21058.68, so I am right in thinking we have around £29,000 not accounted for or am I just tired and confused lol?


I was just doing a bit of quick looking (im so fckd), but you are not far wrong I dont think.. I wish I had not opened this spreadsheet, it makes for very interesting reading.. I would love to have the time to break down every bet P & L for investors (have started for some god knows reason), but it would take ages...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 19, 2010, 04:17:18 AM
I have looked through a fair few of them and, having bet seriously (and, incidentally lost) on football throughout the last season, a lot of the bets/positions beggar belief to be totally honest.  Even the early bets seem to  not to add up totally and towards the end they are purely and simply spinning it up but I dont think it was a case of trying to get anyones moneyback.  For example if you are seriously trying to do anything other than have a punt for yourself why wouldn you have a monkey on a horse to place at odds on which he seemed to do on a number of occasions.  Also a lot of the bets (even the early ones) dont match off fully against each other.  It looks more like trading positions to improve/leverage the average price you have rather than neutralise risk if that makes sense.

The other really obvious thing that stands out are
-the P&L on the account prior to the "sleeping" incident is -17165.
The spreadsheet looks to me to have been doctored.  Betfair send or produce them in date order yet at the top there are some bets from the Aussie Open and also there are no bets at all from November and April.....as I didn't follow this at the time and the thread has been removed I can't double check but NOvember was my busiest month as a football punter.  There are a few other big gaps that don't really make any sense.  To be perfectly honest I would be pretty surprised if this was the spreadsheet as produced by BF.

Will take a look a bit more tomorrow.      


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: redarmi on June 19, 2010, 04:25:19 AM
I am not following what you are saying with the viilla lay at palace....if that is the backers stake then he would win the lot if they didnt win although there doesn't seem to be any commission on any of this as far as I can see.  In fact I can't see any commission taken into account anywhere on there and that would be a fair amount of money on that turnover


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 04:50:09 AM
I am not following what you are saying with the viilla lay at palace....if that is the backers stake then he would win the lot if they didnt win although there doesn't seem to be any commission on any of this as far as I can see.  In fact I can't see any commission taken into account anywhere on there and that would be a fair amount of money on that turnover

Yep you're right, I'm gonna delete the posts to save problems. Apologies, I'm quite tired.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Camel on June 19, 2010, 04:55:05 AM
It looks like Blatch has been rumbled. There are too many bright people like Chris, Stuart and the Shrewdies on here to get away with doctoring a spreadsheet.

I think Neil needs to come on here and say exactly what really happened.

If he punted it away or he used it to swan off on holiday and fund his lifestyle sobeit but he should telll the investors the whole truth, warts and all.

And then he needs to make a detailed plan about how he's going to repay the cash.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Free_Rollin on June 19, 2010, 05:16:10 AM
Wow. I just spent a while going through the thread, as I didn't really follow the original staking thread.

I don't really know Neil a great deal, apart from the fact that I'm one of the people Greekstein mentioned earlier about the poker staking. There has been times when Neil has mentioned he is suffering from cash liquidity at the moment, and I did get quite concerned about this. I mentioned this to Greekstein at DTD, but we agreed it was simply because his money was tied up due to his flat or whatever (I'm not confirming this, simply saying what I've been told). Due to this, I'm currently owed some money as well. I have been asking Neil for it, and he said he would get it to me soon, but it's been a while and not heard since.

I don't really want to say too much on the matter, since firstly, I'm not involved in the stake, and secondly, we're all unclear what has exactly happened to the money. The money may well have been lost due to oversleeping during the liverpool stoke game, but someone (I think Ismene) mentioned, that a profit was actually made on this game? Regardless of what has happened to the money or how it was lost, it's pretty clear, that it's not good news to his investors. Truly feel for you guys.

I'm obviously disappointed that Neil hasn't been upfront with me about his situation, as it has caused some inconvenience to me. I still regard Neil has a mate, and even though I may be hoping for way too much, I hope somehow a resolution can be found.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Free_Rollin on June 19, 2010, 05:31:38 AM
Also, just a note to Tighty and other mods:

While I appreciate your job is difficult and you have to keep everything in moderation, can you try to ensure important information is not deleted from the thread? Obviously, swearing and other abuse needs to get moderated, but there may be things that get deleted which are important to other people, who may not be involved in the staking, such as myself. I know in the past you have sent information via pm for example, to only parties which you may seem relevant, but this might not be as clear as it seems.

Thanks though guys, you do a great job.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 05:58:45 AM
February 13th

Blatch backs Man City vs Stoke getting £24567.11 matched @ 1.53 which loses later that day.

Half an hour after he makes that bet he manages to back Villa @ 1.88 vs Crystal Palace, getting £29237.71 matched on them. He them tries to lay off £3k of Villa but can only match about £800 at the same original price.

He then does manage to lay off exactly £3k a little late that day, before backing Man City for another £5,247.30 putting almost £30k on them which he never attempts to lay off

He manages to lay £23k of his Villa bet retrieving most of it, but £29,814.41 goes when City don't beat Stoke.

I don't believe Blatch forgot about this first bet because he goes back to put more on City - not to lay!

So the question is, why didn't Blatch lay off the City bet?

That on top of the apparent missing money given that only £21k (or is it £53k?) is lost in bets after the Feb 18th date where Blatch had about £50k of £78k matched on the Liverpool game.

Then there is the two very dodgy bets made on the Tennis (backing both players at 1.1 for £3k) and then the Pakistan vs SA cricket where he lays the unders on 100 runs for both 1.03 and 999 and about £8k gets 'lost'.

That's even before getting onto the non-football bets or days such as the 4th Feb where Blatch managed to lose £11k betting on horses. Or occasional bus driver bets like this:


02-Feb-2010 19:14:11      Settled      United kingdom   10011055598   101092396   Soccer      Fixtures 02 February  / Hull v Chelsea      Fixtures 02 February / Hull v Chelsea; Match Odds   Chelsea   Back   GBP      United kingdom      8,800.00      1.27   1.27   -8,800.00

But some come in:

01-Feb-2010 17:24:46      Settled      United kingdom   10004120322   101092167   Soccer      Fixtures 01 February  / Sunderland v Stoke      Fixtures 01 February / Sunderland v Stoke; Match Odds   Stoke   Lay   GBP      United kingdom      2,200.00      4.00   4.00   2,200.00


I'm going to bed now but I would advise all people who invested to have look at the spreadsheet for themselves to understand the magnitude of what's gone on.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 06:00:35 AM
I don't really want to say too much on the matter, since firstly, I'm not involved in the stake, and secondly, we're all unclear what has exactly happened to the money. The money may well have been lost due to oversleeping during the liverpool stoke game.

There's just no way this is the case.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 06:19:04 AM
23-Jan-2010 00:00:00         Cancelled      United kingdom   9931317087   101069685   Soccer      Fixtures 23 January   / Preston v Chelsea      Fixtures 23 January / Preston v Chelsea; Match Odds   Chelsea   Lay   GBP      United kingdom      153,561.85      1.28      

Since we don't know the state of the account, this is the highest amount attempted to be traded in a single go that I've spotted in the figures. From the 23rd of Jan (when this bet was cancelled) until the end of the accounts -£45848.08 was lost which could mean that over £100k could be unaccounted for.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 19, 2010, 07:02:55 AM
This is unreal, I really hope people can get to the bottom of this it is sounding more and more sinister


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 07:58:01 AM
Also, just a note to Tighty and other mods:

While I appreciate your job is difficult and you have to keep everything in moderation, can you try to ensure important information is not deleted from the thread? Obviously, swearing and other abuse needs to get moderated, but there may be things that get deleted which are important to other people, who may not be involved in the staking, such as myself. I know in the past you have sent information via pm for example, to only parties which you may seem relevant, but this might not be as clear as it seems.

Thanks though guys, you do a great job.

Believe me, any swearing by those who have been grimmed will go unpunished by me.

I'd prefer it if blatch came completely clean now, and just confess to what actually happened.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 08:10:15 AM
Also, just a note to Tighty and other mods:

While I appreciate your job is difficult and you have to keep everything in moderation, can you try to ensure important information is not deleted from the thread? Obviously, swearing and other abuse needs to get moderated, but there may be things that get deleted which are important to other people, who may not be involved in the staking, such as myself. I know in the past you have sent information via pm for example, to only parties which you may seem relevant, but this might not be as clear as it seems.

Thanks though guys, you do a great job.

Believe me, any swearing by those who have been grimmed will go unpunished by me.

I'd prefer it if blatch came completely clean now, and just confess to what actually happened.

But would you believe any excuse he comes up with other than he stole it....if he told investors yeah sorry guys I blew the lot on hookers n blow; I'd still doubt that a lot of the money isn't sitting in an account somewhere of his given the continual lies


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 19, 2010, 08:31:22 AM
I know one thing I would love to have as many friends as loyal and caring for me as some of Blatch's friends have been towards him on here. George and Greek in particular have shone with their attitude towards him but its time to cut him loose in my opinion guys, he has let you all down very badly indeed.

I havent seen the spreadsheet but it doesnt sound like its worth much apart from giving us a chance to piece a little bit of what has happened together but in truth we all know that the crime is pre meditated as shown by asking fior investors when it is known that there is no real fund other than a machismo fuelled addicts need to dig himself out of trouble but still appear on the surface to be the poker playing, pro gambling, jet setting playaaa. It is certainly no'sleep over mistake'

What needs to be ascertained is what level this fraud has reached, if it is a case of self matching markets on Betfair with the funds then punted on other markets to fuel the gambling need then that is theft. Worse, it is self matching on markets with the aim of taking the money out of the second account to live the high life and gamble at will via poker or the spinner then thats theft. What price the fund money has been used to buy the house Blatch was telling people about, what price it is pugged away somewhere to be spent at a later date with the excuse that ' i lost it but hey everyone knew the risk' Whichever way it is theft.

Now it might be hard for someone to do but this has to be reported to the police, this guy is not a friend of anyone now no matter how many good times you might have had together in the past. It is past that now, he didnt care a jot what happened to you when he was stealing this money so please don't feel attached to him now. Please report this.

I hope the worst that has happened is he has pugged it away somewhere coz then it might be retrievable but it seems highly likely it is gone either through gambling or spending. Let the police find out.

One of the saddest things Ive read on here was someone usually full of bravado and fun saying how devastated he is to have to tell his dad his mate has taken all the money he advised him to put in the fund, yet still feel the need to put himself in the firing line for his friend. The guy isnt worth it.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 09:11:53 AM
I really wanted to PM everyone before it came public but due to the 15 pm per hour this wasnt possible.

I wont post my PM here but I will try to answer questions and not hide from this anymore.

The problems started with the Stoke vs Liverpool game.  I placed the first part of the trade Friday night and didnt wake up in time, whether I slept through my alarm or didnt set it right I dont know but when I woke up Liverpool were 1 up.  I had to decide whether to let it ride or trade out and save around 15-20% of the fund.  I then got a bit back and and tried to keep going and then it happened again in a Man City vs Stoke game.  I was away at a poker comp with 2 friends and placed a trade before and was late for the start of the comp and started playing the comp and totally forgot about the game kicking off later.

I have emailed betfair to get a full account hisory for anyone to see.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 09:12:58 AM


so have u been trying to re-coup losses since the game in question?  I've part invested with my brother and have been keeping a keen eye on this.

Does this mean all the trades since then showing a loss was a way of getting the balance down to show a loss in the end?

Cant seem to believe this.

What I tried to do, was trade on paper what I would have done with the intention of keeping the profit and loss going.

Ever since the Liverpool vs Stoke game and the Man City vs Stoke game I tried trading all sports and trying anyway to get the money back and basically chased the account down to empty.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 09:15:05 AM
We need an auditor (that understands Betfair, arbing and betting in general) to comb over the account.  Someone like Chompy (sorry mate!) who doesn't have a shilling in (I don't think) that can probe for evidence of what happened.

Some people don't seem to understand that if the fund was being "borrowed" to trade IR, it could have been successful many times over.  Then with a Liverpool lay going tits up with 15 minutes to go, it suddenly becomes a "sleep in".

I don't know which version is true, but a decent audit gets rid of the speculation.  There shouldn't be any money in play IR on the account.  If this truly was a tragic accident, it obv hasn't been dealt with very well, but at least we will know what we are dealing with.  

Some questions:

1. How many times in the season was money in play IR?

After having the initial loss, I did use the account in running sometimes to try to get some of the previous losy money back

2. Was the Florida holiday an attempt to recoup the losses?

The holiday in Florida I didnt pay for.  My sister was taking her family and there was a spare room in the Villa.  The flight was a birthday and xmas present.  All I paid was spending money which came to aroudn 600.

3. What happens to the WSOP stake?

Sadly this has gone too but I will certainly include this when I try to repay all the money.

4. Detailed breakdown of the cashouts?

There were no cash outs at all from the account.  I did however make extra additions to the account whenever I had a bit of spare money.  I tried to put any extra money I had in the account to help get the account back to the level it should have been at.

5. What evidence is there to contravene the contention that the sudden downswing was a 'paper trade' downswing designed to reduce the account balance?

Not sure what you mean here


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 19, 2010, 09:18:30 AM
Guys I am informed that the matter has been reported to the police.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
I thought it was worth bumping these threads from his initial responses yesterday. It appears quite clear that Blatch is dilusional and living in some fantasy world from his responses.

I have slept on this as I wanted to make an unemotive response. I believe that the police should be involved . I had defended the initial error because Blatch responded to me by text telling me it was the honest truth. Clearly it wasn't. I would deal with this but I am best man at a wedding o sunday in Edinburgh. If noone has called this in by Monday afternoon then I will be doing so.

I am of the opinion that not all of the money has been done in. It may have been by now but I'm sure that some of it was to fund his lifestyle. He was never without a wad of cash at dtd. He must of had winning cash game sessions, the Miami thing sounds like bullshit to me. I dont think there is any Money left, I dothink we funded his lifestyle.

The wsop stake is about as clear fraud as there is. He will probably be better off inside fir 18 months anyway

gg Blatch I hop being balla was worth it!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 09:26:33 AM
Good to hear tighty good to hear!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 09:27:45 AM
scumblatch has wife and kidz?

who was staked by scumblatch, how much did they get?





Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 09:39:17 AM
The word Grimm came about from grimmstarr fucking someone over for 5k.

We've been Blatched


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: outragous76 on June 19, 2010, 09:46:49 AM
scumblatch has wife and kidz?

who was staked by scumblatch, how much did they get?





he is single

the stake thing is immaterial

blatch "staked" me in the scoop - but only ever sent me 215 of the money personally - knowing what i have heard from others this seems to have been a trick to put people in - hoping they would bink then claiming 50%

eg - i had reg'd for the scoop 215 w1+1 on my own dime - and he obv saw me on line playing the event  -  so then he transferred the 215 mid game to ensure he had a peice of me for minimal exposure

i know sevral guys on here in the same boat, and no doubt there will be others

I would say that a conservative estimate after this fictional date in January is going to be something like 20k in additional nipped cash. He text a buddy of mine re the wsop stake to try and get an advance just last week. Also given the extent of the deception, who is to say he hasnt sold more of himslef privately or on other forums - he could have staked himslef like 150% or something

who knows what will unravell. Lets hope that the police are actually interested and that the CPS appoint someone who understands the information and can do a forensic invesitgation.

Blatch will never come clean - he is dillusional and clearly still kidding himself


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 09:48:51 AM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?










Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
So did the winning streak actually happen at all, or was this just a long con?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 19, 2010, 10:09:10 AM
I was so hoping to wake up and see that this was a wind up in retaliation to Arrboy, lol how naive of me. Sickend for you all.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 19, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
So the spreadsheet is courtesy of Blatch and you suspect there's an extent to which it has been doctored?

If so and Greekstein still has berfair login, can he change password and e-mail address? Request the records again?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 10:26:37 AM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?










I think I'm perhaps best qualified to answer this.

Thing with Neil was he was very good about bigging up the amount he was making on betfair. This was before he started this trading thread. He didn't just suddenly start doing routlette spins, playing big comps, backing people- he was doing most of this before he took any money off anyone on here.

Yes Neil drove a modest car but again he would sometimes drop in he was looking to upgrade. He did mention on a number of occasions he was looking to buy a house and his money was tied up there.

I understand people are angry but I genuinley don't think anyone had any idea of what was happening. U can tell by all the jokes on various threads about Neil nicking the fund that most people thought he was above board and trustworthy.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Skgv on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
Hi all im Vegas an really shocked to hear whats been happening an hope  Mr Neil Blatchly  makes an statement in the next 48 hours. Saddened by alot of people's losses an hope something gets sorted as honesty is everything yet so little have it in this day an age. Im surprised Neils close friend George has not commented at all on this subject an be interesting to hear his thoughts, Anyway lets see if all is revealed in next 48 hours as im sure some more facts will be unveiled.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Skgv on June 19, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
Hi all im Vegas an really shocked to hear whats been happening an hope  Mr Neil Blatchly  makes an statement in the next 48 hours. Saddened by alot of people's losses an hope something gets sorted as honesty is everything yet so little have it in this day an age. Im surprised Neils close friend George has not commented at all on this subject an be interesting to hear his thoughts, Anyway lets see if all is revealed in next 48 hours as im sure some more facts will be unveiled.
Sorry my timing was bad as george just commented but not quite understanding if hes in his corner or not ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 19, 2010, 10:45:11 AM
I was so hoping to wake up and see that this was a wind up in retaliation to Arrboy, lol how naive of me. Sickend for you all.

Me too, still can't get my head around how this can happen


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 10:45:45 AM
I have commented earlier in the thread Pete..... I'm in a pretty difficult situation so have tried not to comment too much. FWIW there is no point in me trying to decipher exactly what he's done because my knowledge of sports betting is pretty tez


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rupert on June 19, 2010, 10:47:27 AM
Am coming to terms that the money has been done off.  If you lost it through sleeping in, nicking it, being a mug etc they're all pretty much the same all while lying through your teeth.  Whatever happens it's gone now to the best of my knowledge.

So Blatch, what job are you going to get?  When can we look to start getting repaid?  What is the order we are going to be repaid?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 10:50:50 AM
Dont be too hard on yourself for standing his corner George . You just proved what a good and loyal  friend you were thats all.
Being lied to and conned by one of your most trusted friends cant be nice at all and i certainly feel for you .


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Skgv on June 19, 2010, 10:55:27 AM
I have commented earlier in the thread Pete..... I'm in a pretty difficult situation so have tried not to comment too much. FWIW there is no point in me trying to decipher exactly what he's done because my knowledge of sports betting is pretty tez
sorry mate must have missed it as so much to read!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 10:56:49 AM
Am coming to terms that the money has been done off.  If you lost it through sleeping in, nicking it, being a mug etc they're all pretty much the same all while lying through your teeth.  Whatever happens it's gone now to the best of my knowledge.

So Blatch, what job are you going to get?  When can we look to start getting repaid?  What is the order we are going to be repaid?

lol you wanna buy some enron shares? this was a 100K+ fraud, doubt blatch is gonna be paying us back 50p a week from his prison cell



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 19, 2010, 10:59:20 AM
The thing that bothers me most is how completely fooled we all were until such time that people who cashed out after the regular season didn't get paid and Blatch ran out of time.

Makes you wonder about everyone you know in the poker world. There but for the grace of God go how many?  Previous grimmings have been comedy for spectators (and even taken well by some of the grimees) but this is different and looks like it will be a serious blow to this community.

The proper scary thing is how cool he was till the very end.
He must have operated with no guilt, no sense of responsibility. You wonder what such a person could be capable of, the lengths they might go to in order to cover their tracks for a little longer. We've all read stories of gambling addicts in the states resorting to murder in order to stay in the game that little bit longer. Not saying Blatch would do this, but it sure as shit looks like he wouldn't have batted an eyelid at grimming 100k more if he could.

So disillusioned with poker right now. Too many people turn out to be scumbags.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: easypickings on June 19, 2010, 10:59:30 AM
Wow. Just caught up, and it's all so sad.

Like alot of people, I just knew Niel as a good and nice guy, and the thing that rattles you most is that it makes you wonder who you can trust.

 It also makes you wonder alot whether this whole poker thing is worth it. The idolisation of the lifestyle is a bit sick. When so few people can be big winners, if enough people chase a lifestyle, it's always going to be dangerous.

The only positive thing is the dignity that GreekStein and others, who have been so conned and hurt, have shown; it must be awful for them, and it's incredible how they have reacted.

I have used the Staking Forum a fair bit myself, but on the back of this could I put forward a +1  for it to be taken down? Blonde is a wonderful forum, all because of its great community; that cherishes the game, discusses the game, and sees the funny side of the game. Basically, Blonde has always celebrated the sides of the game that are not so much to do with money. I don't feel Blonde would lose anything at all if the staking forum went, and so maybe it's time for it to go?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: jakally on June 19, 2010, 11:07:13 AM
I don't feel Blonde would lose anything at all if the staking forum went, and so maybe it's time for it to go?

I'm not sure the Betfair  stake was on the staking section, but this is a very sensible suggestion, and one worthy of further consideration.
(Probs not great timing to make a non-emotional decision tho).


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Longy on June 19, 2010, 11:11:38 AM
The thing that bothers me most is how completely fooled we all were until such time that people who cashed out after the regular season didn't get paid and Blatch ran out of time.

Makes you wonder about everyone you know in the poker world. There but for the grace of God go how many?  Previous grimmings have been comedy for spectators (and even taken well by some of the grimees) but this is different and looks like it will be a serious blow to this community.

The proper scary thing is how cool he was till the very end.
He must have operated with no guilt, no sense of responsibility. You wonder what such a person could be capable of, the lengths they might go to in order to cover their tracks for a little longer. We've all read stories of gambling addicts in the states resorting to murder in order to stay in the game that little bit longer. Not saying Blatch would do this, but it sure as shit looks like he wouldn't have batted an eyelid at grimming 100k more if he could.

So disillusioned with poker right now. Too many people turn out to be scumbags.

Agreed . Which is really sad as I am sure that the majority on blonde are good people but when someone like Blatch turns out to be biggest grimmer ever, when he seemed like a jolly nice fella. You just can't trust anyone anymore.

I almost certainly won't be staking after this (apart from the couple of people I am already committed to) as I used to trust my instincts about who to go with, but this has proved those instincts aren't anywhere close to fullproof.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 19, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Blatch states he intends get a job, sell his Fiesta, and every spare penny will go to paying people back, but in reality he's texting Flushy to ask for staking to the very soft $5/$10 Vegas cash game he's still planning to play in. The guy is abs deluded and has obv been using the funds as his own personal roll. When that roll got spunked, grim a new role, grim anyone and everyone in the hope of spinning up. Lolz at the falling asleep story, and sheesh at the luxury Miami holiday and the roulette spinz. Really too bad for the good guys who got stung here. Can't believe Blatch has the front to keep posting on here and trying to explain away his actions. Can't believe how someone can use friends like toilet paper to wipe their arse with and just carry on normally with life.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 19, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
We'll be having a good think about staking and blonde. It's not a commercial decision, all we've ever done is mod threads on staking. Will decide what's best from a community viewpoint in due course remembering that one giant grim and a few previous isolated incidents don't invalidate the hundreds of good stakes there have been.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Thing with poker is that nothing is done via contracts. We all trade percentages, buy pieces of each other- sometimes with people we don't really know that well and in some cases this is how we build bonds and friendships with people.

99% of the people on the circuit are trustworthy. There's local brits who i hardly know- james williams, toby lewis, chris brammer, keysey, greeky that I would trust 100% with backing, trading etc.

It would be a shame for one person to ruin this good will for everyone. However saying that whether the staking section stays or not I imagine it will be a very long time before anyone contributes with any significant backing.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: maldini32 on June 19, 2010, 11:20:31 AM
We'll be having a good think about staking and blonde. It's not a commercial decision, all we've ever done is mod threads on staking. Will decide what's best from a community viewpoint in due course remembering that one giant grim and a few previous isolated incidents don't invalidate the hundreds of good stakes there have been.

Can i just say i have a lot of time for you and the other mods. Greatly appreciated and im sure you will make the correct decision.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
 Makes me feel quite sick to think if Chris actually won wsop evnt13 last week ( came 14th ) how that C --NT Blatch would proll now be in Vegas playboying it up with his % from the 470k win and nobody would be any the wiser cos he would have binked enough from freerollin Chris to get himself out of his shit .


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 11:30:54 AM
The thing that bothers me most is how completely fooled we all were until such time that people who cashed out after the regular season didn't get paid and Blatch ran out of time.

Makes you wonder about everyone you know in the poker world. There but for the grace of God go how many?  Previous grimmings have been comedy for spectators (and even taken well by some of the grimees) but this is different and looks like it will be a serious blow to this community.

The proper scary thing is how cool he was till the very end.
He must have operated with no guilt, no sense of responsibility.
You wonder what such a person could be capable of, the lengths they might go to in order to cover their tracks for a little longer. We've all read stories of gambling addicts in the states resorting to murder in order to stay in the game that little bit longer. Not saying Blatch would do this, but it sure as shit looks like he wouldn't have batted an eyelid at grimming 100k more if he could.

So disillusioned with poker right now. Too many people turn out to be scumbags.

This is the thing,when I was at DTD a little while ago after Blatch had put the WSOP thread up he joked to George and me "I might not bother going and just grimm them" me and George laughed but the sick thing is he wasn't even joking,I really can't believe he had the cheek to come out with a joke like that if he was stressed about the situation.I have no real clue what's gone on here but just from what's been said I think Blatch has some if not all of the money somewhere and I hope this is the case and he is found out by police(this is very unlike as they won't have a clue) or a fraud investigation or however means possible as otherwise I think everyone will have to accept they're never going to get a penny back.

I also agree that maybe it would be best for Blonde if the staking part of the forum goes.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Jon MW on June 19, 2010, 11:41:53 AM
...
So Blatch, what job are you going to get?  ...

What is Blatch's 'real life' job? What was he doing before poker and betfair?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 19, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
...
So Blatch, what job are you going to get?  ...

What is Blatch's 'real life' job? What was he doing before poker and betfair?

I don't think one gets paid much for sewing mail bags tbh.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
...
So Blatch, what job are you going to get?  ...

What is Blatch's 'real life' job? What was he doing before poker and betfair?

I don't think one gets paid much for sewing mail bags tbh.

don't think his cv will be very impressive!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 19, 2010, 11:53:25 AM
...
So Blatch, what job are you going to get?  ...

What is Blatch's 'real life' job? What was he doing before poker and betfair?

I don't think one gets paid much for sewing mail bags tbh.

don't think his cv will be very impressive!

Wont get many good job with jail time on his record


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 12:04:07 PM
Wow Mond. That really is a sick story.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 12:04:33 PM
give us a wave tikay!

 :hello:


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
The trading on Liverpool Stoke game is really weird.

His positions the night before were lay Liverpool and back Stoke, obv waiting for Liverpool to drift/ Stoke to come in. On the original thread it was mentioned how this game was likely to be a big shift with Liverpool having injuries (I think this was by Bookiebasher not Blatch). Blatch seems to have laid Liverpool at about 2.26 which from recollection was a massive drift from about 1.7, basically he missed the boat.

Anyway the game is a 12:45 ko and Blatch doesn't trade again but to back Liverpool at 14:37 which would be in dying minutes of injury time. By this time obv Stoke have equalised (which was an injury time equaliser) and Liverpool are now 9.6 to win with basically no time left. If he just lets the lot ride at this point he makes a killling so why go in again.

There is no evidence he backed Liverpool to save some of the roll while Liverpool were winning.

Anyone got a good explanation for this?

Just been catching up with this thread from when i went to bed and WTF is all i can say, did no one else look at this?  If im reading this correctly he was afew minutes away from making alot of money on a winning bet but went in again so he didn't make a killing?  Super confused as im sure you all are.

Also it gives me chills seeing how he acted so normally, he jsut could not have been worried sick or stressed about losing everyones money when he has the nerve to joke about it with people he took money from! I don't know any of you guys but wasn't the blonde  bash not long ago as he didn't trade for the weekend saying he was attending it, did you all think he was acting normally then? Having a drink and laugh in the company of the majority of people he took money from......


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 12:15:41 PM
The trading on Liverpool Stoke game is really weird.

His positions the night before were lay Liverpool and back Stoke, obv waiting for Liverpool to drift/ Stoke to come in. On the original thread it was mentioned how this game was likely to be a big shift with Liverpool having injuries (I think this was by Bookiebasher not Blatch). Blatch seems to have laid Liverpool at about 2.26 which from recollection was a massive drift from about 1.7, basically he missed the boat.

Anyway the game is a 12:45 ko and Blatch doesn't trade again but to back Liverpool at 14:37 which would be in dying minutes of injury time. By this time obv Stoke have equalised (which was an injury time equaliser) and Liverpool are now 9.6 to win with basically no time left. If he just lets the lot ride at this point he makes a killling so why go in again.

There is no evidence he backed Liverpool to save some of the roll while Liverpool were winning.

Anyone got a good explanation for this?

Just been catching up with this thread from when i went to bed and WTF is all i can say, did no one else look at this?  If im reading this correctly he was afew minutes away from making alot of money on a winning bet but went in again so he didn't make a killing?  Super confused as im sure you all are.

Also it gives me chills seeing how he acted so normally, he jsut could not have been worried sick or stressed about losing everyones money when he has the nerve to joke about it with people he took money from! I don't know any of you guys but wasn't the blonde  bash not long ago as he didn't trade for the weekend saying he was attending it, did you all think he was acting normally then? Having a drink and laugh in the company of the majority of people he took money from......


Yea at the bash neil didn't seam like a man who had lost £100k of everybodys money!

I asked him to flip me for £3 for fun and I won the first flip but he conned me into double or quits! I lost the next 2 flips and neil scooped the £3 and stuffed it in his pockets!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
The trading on Liverpool Stoke game is really weird.

His positions the night before were lay Liverpool and back Stoke, obv waiting for Liverpool to drift/ Stoke to come in. On the original thread it was mentioned how this game was likely to be a big shift with Liverpool having injuries (I think this was by Bookiebasher not Blatch). Blatch seems to have laid Liverpool at about 2.26 which from recollection was a massive drift from about 1.7, basically he missed the boat.

Anyway the game is a 12:45 ko and Blatch doesn't trade again but to back Liverpool at 14:37 which would be in dying minutes of injury time. By this time obv Stoke have equalised (which was an injury time equaliser) and Liverpool are now 9.6 to win with basically no time left. If he just lets the lot ride at this point he makes a killling so why go in again.

There is no evidence he backed Liverpool to save some of the roll while Liverpool were winning.

Anyone got a good explanation for this?

If you're reading it right it would seem like either he was on the other end of these trades with his own account or he made a total hatchet job when doctoring the spreadsheet.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 12:50:46 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 12:54:08 PM
i would really like the original thread to go up somehow, i know it's hassle, maybe in a read only child forum??? there must be massive lessons to be learned (for me at least if nobody else) about how we got conned out of 100K


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Cos maybe you missed my question earlier in the thread,but if he was your staker has he already gotten his hands on your $5k score last week or do you still have it?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 12:55:42 PM
Cos maybe you missed my question earlier in the thread,but if he was your staker has he already gotten his hands on your $5k score last week or do you still have it?

I have separate backer for my online stuff mate. Neil didn't want the liability of big online swings.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
Cos maybe you missed my question earlier in the thread,but if he was your staker has he already gotten his hands on your $5k score last week or do you still have it?

I have separate backer for my online stuff mate. Neil didn't want the liability of big online swings.

Ah ok.

Lot of irony in that second sentence.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: cia260895 on June 19, 2010, 12:58:19 PM
wow have missed this

can someone either post or pm me some east to comprehend cliff notes as to what has happened got to page 20 and have got cramp due to bad sitting position


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 12:58:26 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

I feel for you big time mate! When i first read the pm after the initial shock my next thought was what am i guna tell my dad?  Not because he had anything invested (he didn't) but because he told me i was stupid sending money to Blatch and that 'if somethings to good to be true then it usually is'.    Also in the recent weeks whilst i've been waiting for my money as i chased out pre worldcup i have been getting banter from my dad and other people on site (hes a builder and i worked about for him recently) that my money was gone and i'l never get it back; i was so cocky and just kept saying don't worry i'l get it back, its legit and there are alot of people invested, alot of big uk poker players etc and he has a good rep.  Coming out with the truth to him was hard for me, and i nearly didn't tell him cos i knew i would get a rub down like you will learn etc.  

But having said that it pails into comparisson what you have to do and it actually makes me feel really bad just thinking about your situation now, i wish you well sir.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Hairydude on June 19, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
Really sorry to hear about family situation greekie; makes me feel sick in pit of my stomach


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:00:46 PM
Ok so the next steps:

- The situation has been reported by a member of the stake to a police fraud department.

- Someone needs to actually go to a police station and report this.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mouth on June 19, 2010, 01:01:16 PM
Started reading this last night but fell asleep: luckily without the catastrophic results of Neil's naps.

Neil is obviously a very sick man (and not in the way the word "sick" is used on here), but it's my opinion that he doesn't realise that, and probably never will. He is paying lip service by throwing in lines about "getting in touch with the right organisations out there" for help - he won't be doing that voluntarily. He is simply gutted he's been caught.

Ultimately the man has committed a crime - he has defrauded many of you out of large and small sums of money. Whether he has that money or not is irrellevant when making the decision to get the police involved - he needs to be made to face up to his crime. Don't think that because you might not get your money back it's not worth reporting it:this is fraud and needs dealing with by people other than forum members.

George2 loose - I realise this next point may question your integrity but I'm assuming you'll be able to put me straight.

I staked you privately in the May GUKPT. I don't know you but met you once at DTD. My reason for staking was seeing on Facebook a status by you that said you had been grimmed and it looked like Vegas was off. Your wife made a comment about if you can't trust your friends.. I didn't know what had happened and didn't ask you but PMd you on here to take a stake. My reasoning was I had some spare cash, you'd been ripped off and as I do stake quite regularly in small amounts I was happy to stake you to hopefully help you recoup some cash for your Vegas trip.

So I want to ask - were you grimmed by someone else amonth before this thread came to light or did you already know Neil was in trouble. If it was someone else, then obviously I apologise for questioning you, it just seems a coincidence.

To everyone else - don't kid yourself that 99% of poker players all act with integrity - that's bullshit. A game like this attracts conmen, bullshit artistes and worse, and you all know it. Most conmen are the most plausible and likeable people - that's how they rip you off.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:04:09 PM
Started reading this last night but fell asleep: luckily without the catastrophic results of Neil's naps.

Neil is obviously a very sick man (and not in the way the word "sick" is used on here), but it's my opinion that he doesn't realise that, and probably never will. He is paying lip service by throwing in lines about "getting in touch with the right organisations out there" for help - he won't be doing that voluntarily. He is simply gutted he's been caught.

Ultimately the man has committed a crime - he has defrauded many of you out of large and small sums of money. Whether he has that money or not is irrellevant when making the decision to get the police involved - he needs to be made to face up to his crime. Don't think that because you might not get your money back it's not worth reporting it:this is fraud and needs dealing with by people other than forum members.

George2 loose - I realise this next point may question your integrity but I'm assuming you'll be able to put me straight.

I staked you privately in the May GUKPT. I don't know you but met you once at DTD. My reason for staking was seeing on Facebook a status by you that said you had been grimmed and it looked like Vegas was off. Your wife made a comment about if you can't trust your friends.. I didn't know what had happened and didn't ask you but PMd you on here to take a stake. My reasoning was I had some spare cash, you'd been ripped off and as I do stake quite regularly in small amounts I was happy to stake you to hopefully help you recoup some cash for your Vegas trip.

So I want to ask - were you grimmed by someone else amonth before this thread came to light or did you already know Neil was in trouble. If it was someone else, then obviously I apologise for questioning you, it just seems a coincidence.

To everyone else - don't kid yourself that 99% of poker players all act with integrity - that's bullshit. A game like this attracts conmen, bullshit artistes and worse, and you all know it. Most conmen are the most plausible and likeable people - that's how they rip you off.

This was someone else who ripped both George and Blatch off.

Every time one of the three of them won a comp they would put a small % in a joint bank as a joint vegas fund. However, the third member knocked this in at the bookies. Around £6k iirc.

Again, Neil's disgusted reaction at when this had happened to him was another factor to making me believe everything was still in order here.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Steveswift on June 19, 2010, 01:08:11 PM
wow, this is some read, gl to all in getting something back.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 01:08:48 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

yes sob sob boo hoo. who was in blatch's stable? how long have you been friend's? why did you think that someone with an X reg fiesta was a baller betfair trader, so much so that you were talking about selling a kidney to get involved in the scam?

i think the likelyhood is that you were conned like all of us, nasty biz if you got your dad involved but i'm sure he'll realise in time it's nobody's fault but his own.

what i'm trying to get at is this. if somebody goes bankrupt they find out where the money went and if you have been stashing money to your family/mates etc the court will take that money back. does this happen in criminal cases? will blatch be made bankrupt? i don't know, but it's interesting stuff and something to talk about on a saturday afternoon. you may find that the court comes after you for money. just putting it out there for discussion.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:09:55 PM
Also, I really think we need to get moving with the police stuff as soon as possible. Blatch's stable certainly never cost a ridiculous amount of money and with the knowledge that he's syphoned money off through betfair (big thanks to everyone who looked into this and has been helping) we really need to decipher if there is any money elsewhere.

When he confessed to me he said all he had was his car but honestly, since I now can't believe a word he's ever said to me we need to find out properly


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

yes sob sob boo hoo. who was in blatch's stable? how long have you been friend's? why did you think that someone with an X reg fiesta was a baller betfair trader, so much so that you were talking about selling a kidney to get involved in the scam?

i think the likelyhood is that you were conned like all of us, nasty biz if you got your dad involved but i'm sure he'll realise in time it's nobody's fault but his own.

what i'm trying to get at is this. if somebody goes bankrupt they find out where the money went and if you have been stashing money to your family/mates etc the court will take that money back. does this happen in criminal cases? will blatch be made bankrupt? i don't know, but it's interesting stuff and something to talk about on a saturday afternoon. you may find that the court comes after you for money. just putting it out there for discussion.

1) Why are you being such a prick with the 'sob sob boo hoo' stuff? I just said exactly like it is. I don't want sympathy off anyone, I'm just doing what I think is best.

2) It's definitely a possibility that money has been siphoned off elsewhere. This is why we need to get moving with the police stuff.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 01:17:00 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

yes sob sob boo hoo. who was in blatch's stable? how long have you been friend's? why did you think that someone with an X reg fiesta was a baller betfair trader, so much so that you were talking about selling a kidney to get involved in the scam?

i think the likelyhood is that you were conned like all of us, nasty biz if you got your dad involved but i'm sure he'll realise in time it's nobody's fault but his own.

what i'm trying to get at is this. if somebody goes bankrupt they find out where the money went and if you have been stashing money to your family/mates etc the court will take that money back. does this happen in criminal cases? will blatch be made bankrupt? i don't know, but it's interesting stuff and something to talk about on a saturday afternoon. you may find that the court comes after you for money. just putting it out there for discussion.

You are so bang out of order here its unreal,why be such an arsehole ??


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Skgv on June 19, 2010, 01:18:04 PM
Started reading this last night but fell asleep: luckily without the catastrophic results of Neil's naps.

Neil is obviously a very sick man (and not in the way the word "sick" is used on here), but it's my opinion that he doesn't realise that, and probably never will. He is paying lip service by throwing in lines about "getting in touch with the right organisations out there" for help - he won't be doing that voluntarily. He is simply gutted he's been caught.

Ultimately the man has committed a crime - he has defrauded many of you out of large and small sums of money. Whether he has that money or not is irrellevant when making the decision to get the police involved - he needs to be made to face up to his crime. Don't think that because you might not get your money back it's not worth reporting it:this is fraud and needs dealing with by people other than forum members.

George2 loose - I realise this next point may question your integrity but I'm assuming you'll be able to put me straight.

I staked you privately in the May GUKPT. I don't know you but met you once at DTD. My reason for staking was seeing on Facebook a status by you that said you had been grimmed and it looked like Vegas was off. Your wife made a comment about if you can't trust your friends.. I didn't know what had happened and didn't ask you but PMd you on here to take a stake. My reasoning was I had some spare cash, you'd been ripped off and as I do stake quite regularly in small amounts I was happy to stake you to hopefully help you recoup some cash for your Vegas trip.

So I want to ask - were you grimmed by someone else amonth before this thread came to light or did you already know Neil was in trouble. If it was someone else, then obviously I apologise for questioning you, it just seems a coincidence.

To everyone else - don't kid yourself that 99% of poker players all act with integrity - that's bullshit. A game like this attracts conmen, bullshit artistes and worse, and you all know it. Most conmen are the most plausible and likeable people - that's how they rip you off.
The bottom paragragh of this guys post is so spot on in my 15 years in the game.........


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Div on June 19, 2010, 01:18:28 PM
Also, I really think we need to get moving with the police stuff as soon as possible. Blatch's stable certainly never cost a ridiculous amount of money and with the knowledge that he's syphoned money off through betfair (big thanks to everyone who looked into this and has been helping) we really need to decipher if there is any money elsewhere

Your best way of getting moving with the police is probably via Betfair. They will have contacts in the police who actually understand the mechanics of this and will have seen similar before.

If you turn up at your local station and try to explain this to the desk sergeant there's a chance they'll tell you it's a civil matter. There's a lot of detail in this for your average copper to get their head round!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 01:18:38 PM
I really can't believe what has gone on here it really defies belief. I don't know Blatch well at all, I've only met him once in Vegas last year when I was having lunch with Sunny Chattha @ Caesars during a comp. Sunny was under the impression he  was 'getting the lot' on Betfair too so that was my only knowledge of him before investing.

I initially put £1k into it and after seeing a few months good results, topped it up with another 1500. Around mid February I needed to get my money back so pm'd Blatch and he said it would take a couple weeks and I would have it. He pm'd me a week or so later to say he'd got the cheque etc. I don't use Betfair other than for NFL bets and the odd Footy one, so he could have said it took a month and I'd be none the wiser.

My investment had made '360 profit' which whilst not seeming a lot given some of the potential returns being bandied about, there had been a few losing trades and I again just took him for his word. I actually spoke to a couple friends and said that if he was creaming from it then our fault for giving him money. I never actually thought this was going to be the case.

If it transpires that he never actually traded the account as was the intention but as it appears was using the fund to live like a 'balla'. I'll send the £300 to whoever so that it can be given to whoever is first on the list or divided prpportionately. I know it's fuck all in the scheme of things but obviously I shouldn't have it.

As for Miami costing £600 for 3 weeks or whatever it is, I spend £600 at home in 3 weeks if I don't go out on the piss so there's abs no fucking shot this is true. I think in reallity Blatch has been playing Phil Ivey on everyone's dime and Champagne lifestyle on Hofmeister salary always catches up. I'm just so sorry that it's been everyone here that is going to suffer for it. I don't know a lot of the people involved personally but again am very sorry and hope some reparations are made at some point.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Linux on June 19, 2010, 01:19:09 PM
Is blatch banned? when was the last time anyone had any contact with him?

It seems hes disappeared since its come to light that it probably wasn't an alarm clock error, just a straight up grim


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 19, 2010, 01:21:48 PM
He is not banned. Will also try and find a way of restoring original threads


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Laxie on June 19, 2010, 01:22:23 PM

To everyone else - don't kid yourself that 99% of poker players all act with integrity - that's bullshit. A game like this attracts conmen, bullshit artistes and worse, and you all know it. Most conmen are the most plausible and likeable people - that's how they rip you off.
The bottom paragragh of this guys post is so spot on in my 15 years in the game.........

That 'guy' is a girl.  And she's no fool.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 01:25:26 PM
Remember the early days as Blatch seemingly hit winner after winner?

Even on 22nd August he was not being fully truthful as he put almost £3.6k on Arsenal against Portsmouth @ 1.2 but then had to lay it off at the same price.

And then on August 27th Blatch loses £427.62 in the Barcelona vs Shakhtar game where he backs Barca @ 1.44 and is forced to then lay off @ 1.47.

September 14th sees Blatch backing Chelsea vs Porto @ 1.43 and 1.41 but then doesn't lay off any of the betting until after the game starts @ 1.17. He manages to make about £2k in profit.

The first time he actually make a bet where he DOESN'T lay off is on the 29th September, dropping almost £2.4k when backing Newcastle against QPR after the Toon fail to win. (Typical Newcastle...)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 01:26:30 PM
Put the 300 on 28/9 and 7 roulette spin-up-karma-rungood one time imo.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 01:28:44 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

yes sob sob boo hoo. who was in blatch's stable? how long have you been friend's? why did you think that someone with an X reg fiesta was a baller betfair trader, so much so that you were talking about selling a kidney to get involved in the scam?

i think the likelyhood is that you were conned like all of us, nasty biz if you got your dad involved but i'm sure he'll realise in time it's nobody's fault but his own.

what i'm trying to get at is this. if somebody goes bankrupt they find out where the money went and if you have been stashing money to your family/mates etc the court will take that money back. does this happen in criminal cases? will blatch be made bankrupt? i don't know, but it's interesting stuff and something to talk about on a saturday afternoon. you may find that the court comes after you for money. just putting it out there for discussion.

You are so bang out of order here its unreal,why be such an arsehole ??

sigh

hey dude you ramped the fuck outa this please answer a few reasonable questions...

whaaaaaa i love my family, got thrown out of university blah blah blah don't answer any questions

arbboy and ismene already banned cos of this thread, maybe i'll be next

let me be clear, I only put £500 into this. i ain't gonna starve. my gut feeling is GS was conned like us all. it is 100% my own fault that i lost the £500


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: BAM on June 19, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
May I ask when investors/friends of Blatch had posted in the original thread (bring back pls) that they had looked at the account at DTD and everything was ticketyboo and they had seen Blatch trade and Blatch is a good guy etc etc

Did you actually see the account?
What months did you see the account?
Was everything fine and no apparent grimmage?
Or was this an attempt to back your mate up and get people of his back for a while longer?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 01:29:16 PM
Remember the early days as Blatch seemingly hit winner after winner?

Even on 22nd August he was not being fully truthful as he put almost £3.6k on Arsenal against Portsmouth @ 1.2 but then had to lay it off at the same price.

And then on August 27th Blatch loses £427.62 in the Barcelona vs Shakhtar game where he backs Barca @ 1.44 and is forced to then lay off @ 1.47.

September 14th sees Blatch backing Chelsea vs Porto @ 1.43 and 1.41 but then doesn't lay off any of the betting until after the game starts @ 1.17. He manages to make about £2k in profit.

The first time he actually make a bet where he DOESN'T lay off is on the 29th September, dropping almost £2.4k when backing Newcastle against QPR after the Toon fail to win. (Typical Newcastle...)

He obviously had a plan from the outset then and the only reason I got my investment back was timing. He obviously had a lot of bigger investors lined up and therefore needed to keep the scam running. If he hadn't paid me then the game was up in Feb. Mark actually said to me on msn not long after I invested that Blatch was a joker, I went with the majority just based on rep.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

yes sob sob boo hoo. who was in blatch's stable? how long have you been friend's? why did you think that someone with an X reg fiesta was a baller betfair trader, so much so that you were talking about selling a kidney to get involved in the scam?

i think the likelyhood is that you were conned like all of us, nasty biz if you got your dad involved but i'm sure he'll realise in time it's nobody's fault but his own.

what i'm trying to get at is this. if somebody goes bankrupt they find out where the money went and if you have been stashing money to your family/mates etc the court will take that money back. does this happen in criminal cases? will blatch be made bankrupt? i don't know, but it's interesting stuff and something to talk about on a saturday afternoon. you may find that the court comes after you for money. just putting it out there for discussion.

You are so bang out of order here its unreal,why be such an arsehole ??

sigh

hey dude you ramped the fuck outa this please answer a few reasonable questions...

whaaaaaa i love my family, got thrown out of university blah blah blah don't answer any questions

arbboy and ismene already banned cos of this thread, maybe i'll be next

let me be clear, I only put £500 into this. i ain't gonna starve. my gut feeling is GS was conned like us all. it is 100% my own fault that i lost the £500

Seems to me like you're angry you lost the money but are directing your anger the wrong way.

Anyway, what questions to you want answered.?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mouth on June 19, 2010, 01:31:17 PM
Thanks Cos for putting me straight. Don't really know George so felt it was a fair question to ask. Unfortunately all of Blatch's closest poker buddies will now find themselves under the spotlight as people will assume they all knew about his scam. Cliches about lying down with dogs and all that.

I'm genuinely sorry for anyone who has lost money they couldn't afford to lose, but James Keys summed that part up pretty well. Anything that seems too good to be true...

For some I would imagine the worst part is knowing that someone you counted as a friend, and in some cases, looked up to, has done this to you. You will now be questioning your own gullibility but all you have to tell yourself is that the best con artists are so believable you would never see through them. Remember this if Neil pops up in the future and starts trying to tell you what "really" happened - it will be more lies. Remember how you feel right now and tell him to fuck off. You owe him no loyalty as if he had been a true friend he would never, never have done this to you.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Cf on June 19, 2010, 01:31:27 PM
Just spent the last hour or so reading this thread. Absolutely shocked and gutted for all stakers.

With regards to the staking forums though I think they should be kept, but maybe with rules about how big a stake can be publicly sought. eg, people asking for entry into an event or two - fine. People wanting to set up a massive stable like this one here - not fine.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: maryhadalamb on June 19, 2010, 01:35:03 PM
So many people involved, I'd suggest that someone needs to take charge,  liase with investors and create a coherent course of action, it's going to be a logistical nightmare with people in Vegas atm... It's all very well and good postulating, but that's not how things get done, also perhaps not all the details should be visible on the forum where Blatch can read them and anticipate any action that may be taken.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:37:32 PM
Thanks Cos for putting me straight. Don't really know George so felt it was a fair question to ask. Unfortunately all of Blatch's closest poker buddies will now find themselves under the spotlight as people will assume they all knew about his scam. Cliches about lying down with dogs and all that.

That's fine.

The stable members I know of from blonde are....

Myself
Free_Rollin
Mitch
Evilpie

I think Neil took some of Redbull's live cash action.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Mansini on June 19, 2010, 01:37:47 PM
Wow  'The Tank'  do you not owe an apology to arbboy,  who it turns out was actually trying to help you despite all your insults and crap?  Maybe if you used what small brain you have a bit more, instead of randomly insulting people, you would be a little more succesful eh...

The response of some people on this thread amazes me, almost like you are defending someone who robbed you of so much money.      FFS get angry and let it leave an imprint on your brains so you idiots don't all fall for the same scam next week.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
Is there no way that the original thread can be put up 'read only'?

be interesting to see how the trades match up to what he said was happening.

also i'm sorry to mention this but it has to be said. there was massive ramping/hyping of this scheme in that thread. I was guilty of it myself. but it seems some of the biggest hypers were getting money from blatch to play poker. i think it's prob 99% that they didn't know what was happening but 2 days ago i would have said it was 99% that this was all OK.

blatch was being made out to be some uber baller type person yet drives a fiesta? what reg at least tell me it's a pretty new one and not some old X reg piece of crap? who's been round his house? was it filled up with nice stuff?

WTF's been going on here guys?


What you're incinuating is extremely offensive to me and all the others Blatch bought pieces from or staked. I invested my Vegas fund in this and even persuaded my dad to invest £5k, yet you assign a 1% to the fact that any of the stakees bigged Blatch up falsely so that we could be put into the monthly £300 at DTD?

What a ridiculously stupid statement and one that has kinda upset me a lot. I know the other guys in the stable and can say there's no chance that anyone knew the truth about blatch. He was so obsessed about showing everyone he was the man and how much money he had that not only would he make everyone else believe it, i think in a sick way he started to believe it too.

The reason why we bigged him up is because he was a friend and when someone is a friend you tend to trust the things they say. He'd told us all about his flat being bought (needing £185k cash as he couldnt get a mortgage). Even the times when I occasionally thought 'hmm why is he so cash short' I was just led to believe that he literally kept as much of his own money as possible in BF and with a stable that was obviously going to need a lot of outlay at certain times i got my head around him being strapped until cashouts came through.

When I got kicked out of uni for basically abandoning my studies it was the hardest few months of my life coming and living back at home, with extremely strained relationships with my parents. I've since got myself a job and been working solidly over the last few years and have built my relationships back up to where they were before I left. I love my family more than anything else in the world and I haven't even been able to tell my dad yet.

yes sob sob boo hoo. who was in blatch's stable? how long have you been friend's? why did you think that someone with an X reg fiesta was a baller betfair trader, so much so that you were talking about selling a kidney to get involved in the scam?

i think the likelyhood is that you were conned like all of us, nasty biz if you got your dad involved but i'm sure he'll realise in time it's nobody's fault but his own.

what i'm trying to get at is this. if somebody goes bankrupt they find out where the money went and if you have been stashing money to your family/mates etc the court will take that money back. does this happen in criminal cases? will blatch be made bankrupt? i don't know, but it's interesting stuff and something to talk about on a saturday afternoon. you may find that the court comes after you for money. just putting it out there for discussion.

You are so bang out of order here its unreal,why be such an arsehole ??

sigh

hey dude you ramped the fuck outa this please answer a few reasonable questions...

whaaaaaa i love my family, got thrown out of university blah blah blah don't answer any questions

arbboy and ismene already banned cos of this thread, maybe i'll be next

let me be clear, I only put £500 into this. i ain't gonna starve. my gut feeling is GS was conned like us all. it is 100% my own fault that i lost the £500

If you are saying I bigged this whole thing up you are wrong,I had no involvement in this,I may have posted nice work to the figures he put up but I had absolutely nothing to do with this.I was also never a friend of Blatch we had maybe one or two conversations in DTD but that is it.WTF do you want Cos to do,he's showed a lot more class than I'd imagine most would've he isn't supporting Neil in anway,so I ask again WTF would you like him to do ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 01:40:08 PM
Why has Ling been banned? She was doing spreadsheet work before most trying to sort out the figures.

Also, guys stop squabbling and lets keep on topic.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
Started reading this last night but fell asleep: luckily without the catastrophic results of Neil's naps.

Neil is obviously a very sick man (and not in the way the word "sick" is used on here), but it's my opinion that he doesn't realise that, and probably never will. He is paying lip service by throwing in lines about "getting in touch with the right organisations out there" for help - he won't be doing that voluntarily. He is simply gutted he's been caught.

Ultimately the man has committed a crime - he has defrauded many of you out of large and small sums of money. Whether he has that money or not is irrellevant when making the decision to get the police involved - he needs to be made to face up to his crime. Don't think that because you might not get your money back it's not worth reporting it:this is fraud and needs dealing with by people other than forum members.

George2 loose - I realise this next point may question your integrity but I'm assuming you'll be able to put me straight.

I staked you privately in the May GUKPT. I don't know you but met you once at DTD. My reason for staking was seeing on Facebook a status by you that said you had been grimmed and it looked like Vegas was off. Your wife made a comment about if you can't trust your friends.. I didn't know what had happened and didn't ask you but PMd you on here to take a stake. My reasoning was I had some spare cash, you'd been ripped off and as I do stake quite regularly in small amounts I was happy to stake you to hopefully help you recoup some cash for your Vegas trip.

So I want to ask - were you grimmed by someone else amonth before this thread came to light or did you already know Neil was in trouble. If it was someone else, then obviously I apologise for questioning you, it just seems a coincidence.

To everyone else - don't kid yourself that 99% of poker players all act with integrity - that's bullshit. A game like this attracts conmen, bullshit artistes and worse, and you all know it. Most conmen are the most plausible and likeable people - that's how they rip you off.

This was someone else who ripped both George and Blatch off.

Every time one of the three of them won a comp they would put a small % in a joint bank as a joint vegas fund. However, the third member knocked this in at the bookies. Around £6k iirc.

Again, Neil's disgusted reaction at when this had happened to him was another factor to making me believe everything was still in order here.

Same here Cos.

It makes me feel even more sick.


As for thre staking forum, maybe it's a bit early to amke a considered decision about that now.  But I know a lot of people are going to be very reluctant to part with a penny now to stake anyone. 

You think you know someone, and in truth you don't know them at all. Poker attracts its fair share of losers and low-lifes, and maybe we shouldn't be surprised at all.  I've always said that I suspect that the majority of poker players play above their roll.  Some will lie and cheat to get £50 here and there that they never intend to pay back if they can help it.

But this was premeditated, deliberate and hurts a lot more.  He could always get a job acting, he's a bloody convincing liar.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 01:43:23 PM
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Ive found it i think

I have you down as Random number 2 @ 22nd Nov - Does that sound write? For some reason it didnt give me a name on my bank statement, 500??

If so its now worth 614.34"

FFS I should have known at this stage.... Blonde seriously needs a facepalm smiley.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: KarmaDope on June 19, 2010, 01:43:40 PM
Why has Ling been banned? She was doing spreadsheet work before most trying to sort out the figures.

Also, guys stop squabbling and lets keep on topic.

Gonna take a guess and say because Rookie is banned.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 01:43:53 PM
May I ask when investors/friends of Blatch had posted in the original thread (bring back pls) that they had looked at the account at DTD and everything was ticketyboo and they had seen Blatch trade and Blatch is a good guy etc etc

Did you actually see the account?
What months did you see the account?
Was everything fine and no apparent grimmage?
Or was this an attempt to back your mate up and get people of his back for a while longer?

Wasn't Colchester Kev one of the ones who said he had looked at the account at DTD,I at least remember him always being quite vocal about how impressed he was watching Blatch "do his stuff" at DTD while Kev was doing the live updates.

Where is Colchester Kev btw,are the reasons for his absence known?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
Why has Ling been banned? She was doing spreadsheet work before most trying to sort out the figures.

Also, guys stop squabbling and lets keep on topic.

Was obv Rooks from Lings account but in light of the circumstances and Rooks being nothing but helpful I think the ban was mistimed and shitty. Mods pls unban


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
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72 50 03
13498687

Send over what you want and ill let you know when it clears into betfair."




What you want, anything you want lol. Fucking robbing bullshit bastard.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: pokerfan on June 19, 2010, 01:46:38 PM
Why has Ling been banned? She was doing spreadsheet work before most trying to sort out the figures.

Also, guys stop squabbling and lets keep on topic.

Was obv Rooks from Lings account but in light of the circumstances and Rooks being nothing but helpful I think the ban was mistimed and shitty. Mods pls unban

^^


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 01:47:29 PM
May I ask when investors/friends of Blatch had posted in the original thread (bring back pls) that they had looked at the account at DTD and everything was ticketyboo and they had seen Blatch trade and Blatch is a good guy etc etc

Did you actually see the account?
What months did you see the account?
Was everything fine and no apparent grimmage?
Or was this an attempt to back your mate up and get people of his back for a while longer?

Wasn't Colchester Kev one of the ones who said he had looked at the account at DTD,I at least remember him always being quite vocal about how impressed he was watching Blatch "do his stuff" at DTD while Kev was doing the live updates.

Where is Colchester Kev btw,are the reasons for his absence known?

Reasons for Kev's absence are known and are not at all related to this.

They are personal reasons and won't be disclosed on here.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
Why has Ling been banned? She was doing spreadsheet work before most trying to sort out the figures.

Also, guys stop squabbling and lets keep on topic.

Gonna take a guess and say because Rookie is banned.

So now 2 of the accounts,this one and arbboy,who know most and can best shed light on things such as the spreadsheet and activity on the betfair account have been banned,I fail to see the logic in that,look at the bigger picture ffs.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 01:52:54 PM
Ling's account has been reactivated. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
When is the "Staking - Get Blatch Whacked" thread gonna be started?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 01:57:28 PM
Why has Ling been banned? She was doing spreadsheet work before most trying to sort out the figures.

Also, guys stop squabbling and lets keep on topic.

Was obv Rooks from Lings account but in light of the circumstances and Rooks being nothing but helpful I think the ban was mistimed and shitty. Mods pls unban

Ling told me she was looking through the spreadsheets with Rookles and he told her to put the joke in to lighten the mood a bit, that might have been a bit silly, I would ask for an unban because they're being very helpful at this moment with what's going on and every pair of hands is needed at this time and everyone needs to work together.


Ahh, thanks Kin. :)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 01:57:47 PM
Thanks Cos for putting me straight. Don't really know George so felt it was a fair question to ask. Unfortunately all of Blatch's closest poker buddies will now find themselves under the spotlight as people will assume they all knew about his scam. Cliches about lying down with dogs and all that.

I'm genuinely sorry for anyone who has lost money they couldn't afford to lose, but James Keys summed that part up pretty well. Anything that seems too good to be true...

For some I would imagine the worst part is knowing that someone you counted as a friend, and in some cases, looked up to, has done this to you. You will now be questioning your own gullibility but all you have to tell yourself is that the best con artists are so believable you would never see through them. Remember this if Neil pops up in the future and starts trying to tell you what "really" happened - it will be more lies. Remember how you feel right now and tell him to fuck off. You owe him no loyalty as if he had been a true friend he would never, never have done this to you.

This is the part that is worrying. I spose I can assure people until I'm blue in the face but people are probably going to think I am guilty by association. I know nobody probably goes a shit but FWIW:

1) I had no idea what was going on. As I said Neil was pretty much spending money like he was printing it before this all kicked off. He also mentioned his house to me- again before any of this happened. I have no knowledge of sports betting and would not really know what was going on even if I asked to see the account.

2) Me Neil and a guy some of you know, Kev has a joint vegas fund. Everytime the 3 of us entered a comp we would put 25% of any winnings in there. It had got up to around 6.5k (of around 5.5k I had put in). Kev then managed to lose it all on the horses. That was the friend I was referring to on facebook. As Cos as mentioned, Neil was pretty critical of Kev at the time.

3) Any staking money that has been sourced to me has been with an attempt to get a return. As James Atkin has mentioned I shared a table with him in Cov. I'm sure he will tell you I was trying to play my best game. Neil, Mick McCool and breifly Rupert were also on that table.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Jon MW on June 19, 2010, 01:59:00 PM
...
With regards to the staking forums though I think they should be kept, but maybe with rules about how big a stake can be publicly sought. eg, people asking for entry into an event or two - fine. People wanting to set up a massive stable like this one here - not fine.

This is similar to a suggestion to what I was going to make.

It's a tricky decision to decide whether the staking forums are more hassle than they're worth but I'd generally think that having it at last nominally regulated like this is better.

A simple guideline could to be say that no one could advertise for stakes over £100 from a single backer.

Obviously anybody could arrange anything they like privately - but they could anyway whatever happens with the staking forums - at least if this were introduced it would encourage people to limit their liabilities and to look upon staking as more of a fun, supportive, community etc activity and not as an investment opportunity.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: cia260895 on June 19, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
finally read it all SICK SICK SICK

UFB

seriously gutted for you all

esp Cos

chin up m8 am sure yr dad will be cool with ya after 48hrs of steaming


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
Just had a conversation with Tighty, and arbboy and Rookie have been unbanned to help deal with this mess.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Scottish Dave on June 19, 2010, 02:09:22 PM
Just had a conversation with Tighty, and arbboy and Rookie have been unbanned to help deal with this mess.



Welcome back guys, i hope you's can sort this out or at least find out the truth if nothing else.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 19, 2010, 02:10:34 PM
Ok we're unbanning ling and we'll also unban arbboy. Purely because these are extraordinary circumstances. I spoke to tikay this morning and we've also decided to, temporarily at least, unban rooks account as he can help. Also there will be no confusion as to which of ling and rooks is posting. Its up to you guys in what is an awful situation for many to make this work on here please


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 02:11:48 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: thetank on June 19, 2010, 02:12:35 PM
Wow  'The Tank'  do you not owe an apology to arbboy,  who it turns out was actually trying to help you despite all your insults and crap?  Maybe if you used what small brain you have a bit more, instead of randomly insulting people, you would be a little more succesful eh...

The response of some people on this thread amazes me, almost like you are defending someone who robbed you of so much money.      FFS get angry and let it leave an imprint on your brains so you idiots don't all fall for the same scam next week.

His conclusions were correct but I maintain his evidence
(that he posted on the thread) was circumstantial and his arguments were that came from this evidence and led to the (correct) conclusion were nevertheless not valid and he behaved extremely poorly ignoring the mods repeated warnings to stop repeating the same shit. I'll give him a well done for getting the right answer but not an apology for calling a spade a spade as I sa it. I said that playing roulette, missing one trade and getting staked doesn't necessary make someone a criminal, of course I stand by that in the abstract.

In this specific case, obv it turns out Blatch is the scummiest of scum. Would like to think not all occasional gamblers and players getting staked are diseased like this though. The whole thing has made me think though, maybe a lot of them are, more than I'd have thought yesterday. This whole buisness is fucked up.

I'm not going to get into it more than that, it's an irrelevant side issue that this thread doesn't need. Feel free to have another little dig if you want, but I'm not going to reply.

Looks like arbboy is unbanned, I'm not going to criticize the mods about this, it's their call. If arbboy is rolling up his sleeves and using his experience to help sort all this shit out then fair play to him. It's more than I'm doing, I have nothing further to offer this thread in all likelyhood.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 02:13:41 PM
FWIW arrboy I'd like to apologise to you for the abuse etc that I sent your way.

Sorry


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Colchester Kev on June 19, 2010, 02:15:19 PM
May I ask when investors/friends of Blatch had posted in the original thread (bring back pls) that they had looked at the account at DTD and everything was ticketyboo and they had seen Blatch trade and Blatch is a good guy etc etc

Did you actually see the account?
What months did you see the account?
Was everything fine and no apparent grimmage?
Or was this an attempt to back your mate up and get people of his back for a while longer?

Wasn't Colchester Kev one of the ones who said he had looked at the account at DTD,I at least remember him always being quite vocal about how impressed he was watching Blatch "do his stuff" at DTD while Kev was doing the live updates.

Where is Colchester Kev btw,are the reasons for his absence known?

Hello,

Yes I saw Blatch at DTD on a lap top trading on betfair ... I never saw any balances and never invested in the scheme. The reasons for my absence from blonde are purely down to personal problems which unfortunately cannot be sorted quickly.

Sorry to all the people who are caught up in this mess.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The_nun on June 19, 2010, 02:16:55 PM
If nothing else good comes out of this, at least we got OUR KEV back. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on June 19, 2010, 02:17:28 PM
Just had a conversation with Tighty, and arbboy and Rookie have been unbanned to help deal with this mess.



Welcome back guys, i hope you's can sort this out or at least find out the truth if nothing else.

Cheers Dave, and I hope you took the little jibe in the right way, apologies if not..

Ok we're unbanning ling and we'll also unban arbboy. Purely because these are extraordinary circumstances. I spoke to tikay this morning and we've also decided to, temporarily at least, unban rooks account as he can help. Also there will be no confusion as to which of ling and rooks is posting. Its up to you guys in what is an awful situation for many to make this work on here please

Speaking with Cos atm, hopefully we can at least find the truth.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:18:12 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled

I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Graham C on June 19, 2010, 02:19:14 PM
Welcome back guys :)  Sorry circumstances to come back to, but welcome


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on June 19, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
Am I right in thinking that Blatch got you all to send the money to his bank account, meaning he would have to deposit onto the site himself?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ChipRich on June 19, 2010, 02:21:15 PM
Welcome back guys :)  Sorry circumstances to come back to, but welcome


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:21:52 PM
Am I right in thinking that Blatch got you all to send the money to his bank account, meaning he would have to deposit onto the site himself?

Yeah everyone would have sent him bank or full tilt transfers. I'm thinking bank though..


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 02:22:45 PM
I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

TBH anything he says/does now is worthless anyway, unless it's to weigh people in with what he's stolen. I'd be very surprised if he even tells his parents, he's more likely trying to work out how to get out of the country.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 02:23:40 PM
Am I right in thinking that Blatch got you all to send the money to his bank account, meaning he would have to deposit onto the site himself?

Yeah everyone would have sent him bank or full tilt transfers. I'm thinking bank though..

Yeah both mine were to his bank


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:25:08 PM
I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

TBH anything he says/does now is worthless anyway, unless it's to weigh people in with what he's stolen. I'd be very surprised if he even tells his parents, he's more likely trying to work out how to get out of the country.



Yeah was just thinking similar myself. Can't be believed.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 02:25:33 PM
Horrified reading this thread for many reasons. First of all, it's clear to me this was scam from the beginning. The guy is clearly a sociopath and was out
for your money from a long way out. The Betfair log shows he was transferring money from one account to another. That's not in question.

I'm also horrified at the naivety of some people here. On one level it's heartwarming that in a game where vast amounts of money involved people are
willing to accept people's word and "reputation" as a bond but you will always get sociopaths who will abuse this. To them, it was their money to
begin with, they don't consider it stealing and many of you are easy targets.

Some steps to take:

1- RING Betfair's security department. Give them the account details and explain to them what has been going on. Refer them to this thread. It would
be best if somebody on Betfair with a premium account (2%) commission rate did this. At the very least Betfair's terms and conditions will have been
broken and it may be possible to freeze the account Blatch was siphoning money off to while the issue is being investigated. However, you have
delayed so much it's likely Blatch has withdrawn it all and is doing is level best as we speak to cover his tracks and hide away whatever he can. Ask
Betfair for a contact in the police or to have a detective call you immediately. Make sure when you're talking to Betfair you mention you are contacting
your solicitor on Monday morning and you will expect Betfair to take all reasonable steps to prevent further fraud and investigate this. For the average
punter Betfair will do their best to fobb them off and issue a standard reply. DON'T let them do this. Make sure they understand the seriousness of
the fraud.

2- As above, speak to the police asap. There have been multiple frauds committed here and it's very clear what this guy has been up to. It's likely
that what is known about on this thread isn't the full extent of his fraudulent activities and the police will uncover this in the process. Obtaining 10s of thousands
of pounds from investors, siphoning the money off for personal use and continuing to take money in in the process is very definitely a crime. This is
a biggish fraud with a relatively simple and inexpensive investigation. A detective will snap your hand off for it.

Don't delay. Do all of this now.




Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Tractor on June 19, 2010, 02:26:17 PM
Cos, i know it may be difficult but maybe if he really is at his parents can they speak to you to confirm what he is saying is true?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 02:26:43 PM
(http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/pictures/Neil_Blatchly_Masters.jpg)

AMATEUR!




Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:27:03 PM
We can't even be sure the spreadsheet is real so we are going to change the email address on the account and re-request everything and check the history of deposits.

There are no card details on the site which means he has deleted them.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:28:51 PM
Cos, i know it may be difficult but maybe if he really is at his parents can they speak to you to confirm what he is saying is true?

Good point. I've just sent a text asking to speak to them.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
I just saw Greekstein's post above, have you and other people gone completely f****** insane?

The guy is lying to you every step of the way. He's trying to buy time and as somebody else said the only thing he's sorry about
is the fact he got caught. Don't believe a word he says. It's just another part of the con.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:32:46 PM
I just saw Greekstein's post above, have you and other people gone completely f****** insane?

The guy is lying to you every step of the way. He's trying to buy time and as somebody else said the only thing he's sorry about
is the fact he got caught. Don't believe a word he says. It's just another part of the con.



As soon as I text him I got a call straight back from his mum on his phone.

She said Neil's come home and told her and his father and his sister/brother in law. They are currently discussing the next steps and she'll be in contact with me.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled

I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

From what I've looked at, I don't think he's done the lot. At least not in that Betfair account.

For me, here are the biggest oddities:

Quote
On March 1st, Blatch backs two tennis players against each other at 1.1 for both players in a qualifier match that probably had little trading on it at the time.


01-Mar-2010 00:00:00   01-Mar-2010 03:31:55      Settled      United kingdom   10234052970   101192407   Tennis      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk; Match Odds   Kristina Antoniychuk   Back   GBP      United kingdom      3,000.00      1.10   1.10   -3,000.00
01-Mar-2010 00:00:00   01-Mar-2010 03:31:55      Settled      United kingdom   10234052971   101192407   Tennis      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk      Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk; Match Odds   Olga Savchuk   Back   GBP      United kingdom      3,000.00      1.10   1.10   300.00

Quote
16-Feb-2010 00:00:00   16-Feb-2010 21:28:45      Settled      United kingdom   10127666063   101065549   Cricket      India v South Africa - 2nd Test / SA 2nd Inns Runs         100 Runs or more   Lay Asian   GBP      United kingdom      45.00      1.03   1.03   -1.35
16-Feb-2010 00:00:00   16-Feb-2010 21:28:55      Settled      United kingdom   10127667208   101065549   Cricket      India v South Africa - 2nd Test / SA 2nd Inns Runs         100 Runs or more   Lay Asian   GBP      United kingdom      8.00      999.00   999.00   -7,984.00


Another dodgy looking bet - taking both extremes on the South Africa second innings.

Quote
23-Jan-2010 00:00:00         Cancelled      United kingdom   9931317087   101069685   Soccer      Fixtures 23 January   / Preston v Chelsea      Fixtures 23 January / Preston v Chelsea; Match Odds   Chelsea   Lay   GBP      United kingdom      153,561.85      1.28     

Since we don't know the state of the account, this is the highest amount attempted to be traded in a single go that I've spotted in the figures. From the 23rd of Jan (when this bet was cancelled) until the end of the accounts -£45848.08 was lost which could mean that over £100k could be unaccounted for.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Ismene on June 19, 2010, 02:36:31 PM
I just saw Greekstein's post above, have you and other people gone completely f****** insane?

The guy is lying to you every step of the way. He's trying to buy time and as somebody else said the only thing he's sorry about
is the fact he got caught. Don't believe a word he says. It's just another part of the con.



Lurker seems to have got this spot on. Time to take some action and stop letting emotional ties cloud judgement.

His family will want to try and help him - investors you need to start helping yourselves!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 02:36:58 PM
I just saw Greekstein's post above, have you and other people gone completely f****** insane?

The guy is lying to you every step of the way. He's trying to buy time and as somebody else said the only thing he's sorry about
is the fact he got caught. Don't believe a word he says. It's just another part of the con.



As soon as I text him I got a call straight back from his mum on his phone.

She said Neil's come home and told her and his father and his sister/brother in law. They are currently discussing the next steps and she'll be in contact with me.

I hate being so skeptical but how do we even know its his mum and not some random women he knows that he's asked to do him this favour and he'l give her couple hundred out of the money hes had away with? I know ur doing everything you can greekstein its not really a question asked at you but we gotta be aware that this guy is a habitual liar and a good one at that!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 02:38:23 PM
We can't even be sure the spreadsheet is real so we are going to change the email address on the account and re-request everything and check the history of deposits.

There are no card details on the site which means he has deleted them.


So he's covering his tracks yeah?

I'll just simplify the advice I gave, it's the only hope you'll get any of your money back and it's the only hope you'll stop your "friend" from getting himself into trouble
in future. 1 - Contact Betfair's security department. 2 - Contact the police.

You're doing him, yourself and the people who have lost money a favour by doing it. There's no reason not to involve the police. None whatsoever.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 02:40:26 PM
i ain't going to the police for a monkey, 3 people got done for 10K+ numerous for a few K, happy to help with enquiries but i ain't kicking them off. anyway didn't tighty say someone has called them already?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Jon MW on June 19, 2010, 02:40:40 PM
We can't even be sure the spreadsheet is real so we are going to change the email address on the account and re-request everything and check the history of deposits.

There are no card details on the site which means he has deleted them.


So he's covering his tracks yeah?

I'll just simplify the advice I gave, it's the only hope you'll get any of your money back and it's the only hope you'll stop your "friend" from getting himself into trouble
in future. 1 - Contact Betfair's security department. 2 - Contact the police.

You're doing him, yourself and the people who have lost money a favour by doing it. There's no reason not to involve the police. None whatsoever.


If it's fraud followed by syphoning money between accounts then it's money laundering - if Betfair fall under any financial authorities jurisdiction at all they will really really want to help clear this up


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on June 19, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
Requested spreadsheet from betfair so it will come direct this time, also asked for deposit history etc as there is only one transaction on the account which was a bank transfer.

 2010-05-18
11:33 4497707 2010-05-18
11:33  Bank Transfer   - - -   300.00 300.00
 
 
 
^A deposit of £300 made on the 18th of May. His account in the last 3 months only shows to have lost a total of £300 too, which does make sense that there is no transactions between 19th march until 18th may on the spreadsheet. Meaning he did the last of the initial money on the Cheltenham festival on 16th march

Anyone invest between the 19th March and now? Because that money certainly hasn't gone into the betfair account.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 02:45:07 PM
We can't even be sure the spreadsheet is real so we are going to change the email address on the account and re-request everything and check the history of deposits.

There are no card details on the site which means he has deleted them.


So he's covering his tracks yeah?

I'll just simplify the advice I gave, it's the only hope you'll get any of your money back and it's the only hope you'll stop your "friend" from getting himself into trouble
in future. 1 - Contact Betfair's security department. 2 - Contact the police.

You're doing him, yourself and the people who have lost money a favour by doing it. There's no reason not to involve the police. None whatsoever.


If it's fraud followed by syphoning money between accounts then it's money laundering - if Betfair fall under any financial authorities jurisdiction at all they will really really want to help clear this up

Yep. Good point.

If I was down 10k I'd have been on to the police and Betfair already and I'd be calling around to Blatch's house, not for violence but to speak to him and get the full truth out of him. It might
be impossible but if he feels under enough pressure he might show you his online bank accounts, his Betfair accounts and you might get to see how he lives.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Free_Rollin on June 19, 2010, 02:48:27 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled

I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

I've also had a few messages exchanged with Neil earlier on in the morning. Neil has pretty much said the same, he is going to be staying with his parents, and is currently pennyless.

At the time of speaking to him, I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if it was a genuine mistake. He hasn't said anything to suggest this, so it seems his intentions may well have been of a dishonest nature. I think I may have been a bit too lenient when I was speaking with him, but I am now beginning to just get to grips that if his intentions were to fund his lifestyle, then this is a truly sick act.

Since a few people were aware of the staking deal I had with Neil, I have been asked a couple of times about what happened and if it was true. I never followed Neil's betfair staking thread and didn't really talk to him too much about it. He did mention at times it was going well, and if I would like to invest (This hurts when you'd consider him a mate, and he's asking me to simply hand him a few grand). Anyway, I had no idea about what was going on, and I would imagine Mitch, Matt were also the same, as is Cos. I was chatting to Mitch a few weeks ago, and we were saying there isn't much point getting staked if we're having to pay the buy-ins ourselves. The difference was, then we thought we were going to get these back.

Obviously, Blatch has said the poker staking is now over, and if Blonde's Betfair staking thread has paid for any of the poker staking, then I am glad it is over. I am owed money to the tune of ~£1.5k, and I doubt I would be ever seeing that again.

As far as staking boards go, I think they are a very good part of Blonde and I would hate to see them go. I am yet to use the boards for staking of my own, but I have bought a few pieces here and there. I think going forward we are going to just have to be super savvy about who we invest in. I am sure many would agree that Blatch was seen as a good guy on here, and he had the respect of many, hence the forum handing him £80k (or whatever the figure is). It was a lack of judgement of character by us, but to close staking boards would be disappointing. I think we need to come up with solutions to these problems, and without thinking too much about it, maybe some sort of escrow would be ideal? Anyways, we do need to stick with the matter on hand here, and collectively need to decide what needs to happen going forward. Pretty sure Greekstein mentioned earlier he was doing everything he can so far, so let's see what needs to be done next.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 02:49:33 PM
Ok we're unbanning ling and we'll also unban arbboy. Purely because these are extraordinary circumstances. I spoke to tikay this morning and we've also decided to, temporarily at least, unban rooks account as he can help. Also there will be no confusion as to which of ling and rooks is posting. Its up to you guys in what is an awful situation for many to make this work on here please

I'm sure there's a way Bolt could help....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Mansini on June 19, 2010, 02:50:02 PM
'Greekstein'  ffs wise up will you.      I have an a house in the desert with ocean views i'd like to sell you for $20 million,  send me the cash first and then i'll send you details of the property


I'll give you a tip ok... The story about sleeping in is a lie, and everything he says from this point on which doesn't directly lead to you getting your money back is a lie. Simple.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 19, 2010, 02:51:24 PM
Remember the early days as Blatch seemingly hit winner after winner?

Even on 22nd August he was not being fully truthful as he put almost £3.6k on Arsenal against Portsmouth @ 1.2 but then had to lay it off at the same price.

And then on August 27th Blatch loses £427.62 in the Barcelona vs Shakhtar game where he backs Barca @ 1.44 and is forced to then lay off @ 1.47.

September 14th sees Blatch backing Chelsea vs Porto @ 1.43 and 1.41 but then doesn't lay off any of the betting until after the game starts @ 1.17. He manages to make about £2k in profit.

The first time he actually make a bet where he DOESN'T lay off is on the 29th September, dropping almost £2.4k when backing Newcastle against QPR after the Toon fail to win. (Typical Newcastle...)

This makes me even more suspicious and would back up my gut reaction of what has happened originally.

My guess would be that Blatch had gone skint from punting, pokering and being as balla as he could. He makes a plan to get a fund together to trade pre match footy as he was probably successful at that when he had a decent roll but lost said roll elsewhere. His plan even then was to use the roll to trade footy for the syndicate as stated but his ulterior motive was to use that fund in between footy trades to trade/bet on other events and then remove the profit he expected to make into either his own Betfair account, or in cash by simple withdrawal. Nobody see's the account details but anyone that wants to look at the figure in the account can see there is cash there so there prob wouldnt be any need to suspect at that stage but he was probably syphoning off his side event winnings on the side.

Maybe he then started to gamble more with the account and Flops seems to have found where this happened very early into the syndicate, if his bets win, he takes the cash out or dumps it to another account ( the evidence that this happened is clear). If it loses he has a big fund behind him now to simply keep going hoping to bet it back to a profit.

What would be uba sick is this, there has to be a real possibilty that he was simply making a lot of these trades up and reporting his weekly losses/profits in the amounts he was declaring on the thread as the figs for each game. For example, if he wins 3k punting/trading with the fund that week, he could have simply come onto the thread and said all three outcomes +1500 in this game, everyone is happy and he has made himself a profit of 1500 that week using the fund and kept the fund happy with a profit.The next week he does in 2k gambling/trading and simply says this match went wrong we are -1400 etc on this game. As he has actually admitted doing with the most recent games tio reduce the amount in the now fantasy fund.


Just a thought, has anyone checked the Betfair account to see if he has transferred any cash between the sports book and the poker room, that would probably be an easier way of dumping cash or could possibly be where some of the fund was played up.

Has anyone gone through the games he claimed early on to have been trading on the thread to see if those figures/trades are real and if they were did the declared amounts match the actual amounts. Are the figs on the spreadsheet just the last three months still or are the earliest games there now.

On the self matching examples, where there any sides where the trading fund got ther better side of those 1.01 two way trades, if there were it might have started off by moving cash from the fund to his account to trade/bet with and then be sent back to the fund if he won via another self trade on an obscure market at 1.01.

Have there been any cash withdrawals from the fund, if so what amounts and did these withdrawals coincide with winning or losing bets on side events other than football.

Earlier in the thread someone listed a set of sports bet that had been placed on the account and many were losers to the syndicate fund, from memory without going back these were 2 way markjets that could easily have been dumping cash, do these look like self matching to move funds to another account or were they trading events in running/pre game and ended up being  straight losers. Even if they were str8 losers it could still be proven they were 2 way traded by the same other account or accounts each time so if Batch did have many acounts in different names there would be a pattern of bets matched with the same layer.

Someone earlier said they were friends with someone that is a member here that works for Betfair, I think it needs to be reported to Betfair and ask them to look into the accounts the 1.01 trades were going to and from and evenn if the bets matched at 'correct prices' on those sports bets could have been matched between a stable of accounts in differents names. The BF security team is very savvy and I am sure they could piece this together but it would be a lot easier to get thr guy that works there to put it forward as it is going to be a very complex explanation needed to get the ball rolling in the first place.








Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 02:52:13 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled

I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

As suggested earlier can we get the full list of transactions sent out again as it looks like the one he sent out the first time has been doctored.

Cheers to all who are helping.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on June 19, 2010, 02:53:52 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled

I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

As suggested earlier can we get the full list of transactions sent out again as it looks like the one he sent out the first time has been doctored.

Cheers to all who are helping.

Its already been requested


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 02:58:41 PM
Remember the early days as Blatch seemingly hit winner after winner?

Even on 22nd August he was not being fully truthful as he put almost £3.6k on Arsenal against Portsmouth @ 1.2 but then had to lay it off at the same price.

And then on August 27th Blatch loses £427.62 in the Barcelona vs Shakhtar game where he backs Barca @ 1.44 and is forced to then lay off @ 1.47.

September 14th sees Blatch backing Chelsea vs Porto @ 1.43 and 1.41 but then doesn't lay off any of the betting until after the game starts @ 1.17. He manages to make about £2k in profit.

The first time he actually make a bet where he DOESN'T lay off is on the 29th September, dropping almost £2.4k when backing Newcastle against QPR after the Toon fail to win. (Typical Newcastle...)

This makes me even more suspicious and would back up my gut reaction of what has happened originally.

My guess would be that Blatch had gone skint from punting, pokering and being as balla as he could. He makes a plan to get a fund together to trade pre match footy as he was probably successful at that when he had a decent roll but lost said roll elsewhere. His plan even then was to use the roll to trade footy for the syndicate as stated but his ulterior motive was to use that fund in between footy trades to trade/bet on other events and then remove the profit he expected to make into either his own Betfair account, or in cash by simple withdrawal. Nobody see's the account details but anyone that wants to look at the figure in the account can see there is cash there so there prob wouldnt be any need to suspect at that stage but he was probably syphoning off his side event winnings on the side.

Maybe he then started to gamble more with the account and Flops seems to have found where this happened very early into the syndicate, if his bets win, he takes the cash out or dumps it to another account ( the evidence that this happened is clear). If it loses he has a big fund behind him now to simply keep going hoping to bet it back to a profit.

What would be uba sick is this, there has to be a real possibilty that he was simply making a lot of these trades up and reporting his weekly losses/profits in the amounts he was declaring on the thread as the figs for each game. For example, if he wins 3k punting/trading with the fund that week, he could have simply come onto the thread and said all three outcomes +1500 in this game, everyone is happy and he has made himself a profit of 1500 that week using the fund and kept the fund happy with a profit.The next week he does in 2k gambling/trading and simply says this match went wrong we are -1400 etc on this game. As he has actually admitted doing with the most recent games tio reduce the amount in the now fantasy fund.


Just a thought, has anyone checked the Betfair account to see if he has transferred any cash between the sports book and the poker room, that would probably be an easier way of dumping cash or could possibly be where some of the fund was played up.

Has anyone gone through the games he claimed early on to have been trading on the thread to see if those figures/trades are real and if they were did the declared amounts match the actual amounts. Are the figs on the spreadsheet just the last three months still or are the earliest games there now.

On the self matching examples, where there any sides where the trading fund got ther better side of those 1.01 two way trades, if there were it might have started off by moving cash from the fund to his account to trade/bet with and then be sent back to the fund if he won via another self trade on an obscure market at 1.01.

Have there been any cash withdrawals from the fund, if so what amounts and did these withdrawals coincide with winning or losing bets on side events other than football.

Earlier in the thread someone listed a set of sports bet that had been placed on the account and many were losers to the syndicate fund, from memory without going back these were 2 way markjets that could easily have been dumping cash, do these look like self matching to move funds to another account or were they trading events in running/pre game and ended up being  straight losers. Even if they were str8 losers it could still be proven they were 2 way traded by the same other account or accounts each time so if Batch did have many acounts in different names there would be a pattern of bets matched with the same layer.

Someone earlier said they were friends with someone that is a member here that works for Betfair, I think it needs to be reported to Betfair and ask them to look into the accounts the 1.01 trades were going to and from and evenn if the bets matched at 'correct prices' on those sports bets could have been matched between a stable of accounts in differents names. The BF security team is very savvy and I am sure they could piece this together but it would be a lot easier to get thr guy that works there to put it forward as it is going to be a very complex explanation needed to get the ball rolling in the first place.



Nothing indicating he's played poker on there in the last 3 months, however we have to await the full history from betfair which has been requested as any play is likely to have been before this period.

Secondly, the blonde member who works for betfair is 'Sighmuns' formally 'Greg Sighmuns'. I will send him a pm and hope he can get the ball rolling for us re: the Betfair investigation.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mouth on June 19, 2010, 02:59:37 PM
Obv I don't know Neil's parents' financial situation. Call me cycnical but I'm guessing neil has gone to them in the hope they will come up with some form of repayment plan for the people he has stolen from and defrauded. This will not be out of the goodness of his heart! His twisted mind will have worked out reading this thread that there is a chance he could actually go to prison. Therefore he will have worked out some story for his parents to get them to repay so he can "apologise" and "make good" everyone's losses.

Get this into your heads. Neil Blatchly stole from, lied to and conned every one of you who put money into this. He did this without a momentary thought for how it woudl affect you, financially or otherwise. He did this to finance a lifestyle that he had a taste of once he picked up a couple of wins. Once he'd gambled his money away he decided to come up with a plan to get more money to chase his losses. He managed to do this because he knew he had godlike status on here, and so he knew he could.

Cos. I'm sorry to be so blunt. You are still allowing yourself to be conned mate. Neil is a liar and a conman and you are still looking for some truths from him. He is still telling you what he thinks you want to hear and will continue to do so for as long as you look to him for reassurance. You need to distance yourself.

Everyone involved in this scam ie on the receiving end needs to make a decision - they either go legal on this, whether through Betfair or otherwise. Or they write it off. Asking what Neil's doing about it is a waste of your time and effort. The man has lied to you for months - why do you think he will come up with the truth now?

Put him in the hands of the police or put it to bed.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: betfairtrader on June 19, 2010, 03:00:53 PM
I have been trading for many years on Betfair and i can assure anyone who has staked in this venture that there is no way in hell all of this money has been genuinely lost gambling from what i can see on the spreadsheet at least £30,000 has been basically switched to his other account and you can tell purely because some of the bets just make no sense at all and are almost certainly just blank market trades to his other account and who knows whats happend from there, probably gone to fund his lifestyle/poker losses, i wouldn't wait any longer to inform the relevant authorities as its almost certain he is going to try and leave the country because this blatent theft of large sums of money is almost certainly carrying a jail setance.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 03:01:41 PM
Firstly sorry to the guys that lost money in this, it's so sick it's unreal.
I know people that lost money in this and it's terrible.

I am more sickened than anything by what ive just read, seriously is this guy going to go and just drop this mess in his parents lap? did someone say he's 35? ffs his parents must be in their 60's how on earth can you go around giving it the big i am it to everyone living in a deluded world for a year taking 100k of peoples money conning 40 -50 people and then after getting found out just go and tell your parents and cry about it? lol what a joke that isnt a man, not a real man what an utter pathetic sad loser, are his elderly parents gonna have to spend all their savings now or sell there house? i wonder if they have health problems of their own? seriously how this guy can do this in the first place is beyond me but that is so depraved, inconsiderate and scummy to then be a man of his age and the only thing he can do is to cry off to his parents, what an absolute bottom feeder.

If i had slept in and missed the trade or whatever i'd rather rob banks to try and get the money back than do this to my parents, what a loser.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 03:05:21 PM
Cos. I'm sorry to be so blunt. You are still allowing yourself to be conned mate. Neil is a liar and a conman and you are still looking for some truths from him. He is still telling you what he thinks you want to hear and will continue to do so for as long as you look to him for reassurance. You need to distance yourself.

Yes this is true Caroline. You're not the only one to tell me this. Thanks to all those who have been good friends.

I want to re-iterate that I'm not acting as a mediator, but as someone who simply wants to get to the bottom of this and maybe one day get my money back.

From now on I will be keeping contact for necessary stuff only and not to seek information etc.

Anyway, back to the thread....


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 03:06:14 PM
What is the financial position of his parents, maybe they would weigh some % of the money lost in if they were aware of the situation. Obv it's a long shot but anything that enables a possible reimbursement of funds has to be worth a shot.

Cos I've done plenty of shit in my lifetime to piss my parents off and although they steam, in the end things will be alright I'm sure. The guy is a very very good conman and had everyone fooled

I've just managed to speak to Neil to tell him to get on the thread and answer questions.

I quote, "I'll try later as I've come to tell my parents. They are gonna help me get on my feet and are going to help to make sure everyone gets paid back'.

I also asked if there were any funds elsewhere and he's insitant that he's done the lot, including personal ISAs and his account is in overdraft.

Obviously all this still needs checking.

In the meantime I've just given Rookie the account log in and password and he's going to help look into what happened.

As suggested earlier can we get the full list of transactions sent out again as it looks like the one he sent out the first time has been doctored.

Cheers to all who are helping.

Its already been requested

Aii cheers Rooks.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Mansini on June 19, 2010, 03:07:05 PM
Yep, sums it up..going to your parents is the lowest of the low, why even bother at that point


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mouth on June 19, 2010, 03:07:29 PM
Firstly sorry to the guys that lost money in this, it's so sick it's unreal.
I know people that lost money in this and it's terrible.

I am more sickened than anything by what ive just read, seriously is this guy going to go and just drop this mess in his parents lap? did someone say he's 35? ffs his parents must be in their 60's how on earth can you go around giving it the big i am it to everyone living in a deluded world for a year taking 100k of peoples money conning 40 -50 people and then after getting found out just go and tell your parents and cry about it? lol what a joke that isnt a man, not a real man what an utter pathetic sad loser, are his elderly parents gonna have to spend all their savings now or sell there house? i wonder if they have health problems of their own? seriously how this guy can do this in the first place is beyond me but that is so depraved, inconsiderate and scummy to then be a man of his age and the only thing he can do is to cry off to his parents, what an absolute bottom feeder.

If i had slept in and missed the trade or whatever i'd rather rob banks to try and get the money back than do this to my parents, what a loser.


+1

When you  gave him 70K + did  he tell you he would run it by his parents first? No? When he was throwing 1k bets on roulette did he ring his dad to ask him which numbers to put it on? Did his mum used to rail him while he pulled out wads of £50s at the cash table? Then wtf have they got to do with it now. He's a grown man who made his own decisions. The really horrible thing is they may well have bailed him out once or twice before, albeit on a smaller scale, you just don't know what his history is with scamming friends and family.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: betfairtrader on June 19, 2010, 03:08:21 PM
Rumours are circulating that his Betfair name is Mr_Winner and he spent 1k on happy meals


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nico29 on June 19, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
What a sick situation.

I'd be almost certain he's been dumping the money from the 'syndicate' account to his other1 like ppl have said.

Betfair shld be able to quickly confirm this.

Messing up a trade wld be one thing and ppl obv knew the risks, but this appears to have been one long con.

He is a sick man and obviously fooled everyone.

As someone who was very critical of arrboy i feel maybe i shld also give him a sorry.

Still think u were a bit too aggro in yr approach and language at the time, however uve actually probably saved ppl from a great deal of even more grimmage, and for that you shld be thanked. I guess it took a real expert in football trades to smell a rat.






Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Cf on June 19, 2010, 03:15:02 PM
Was just in my car and the following song came on. The lyrics go very well with what's happened here.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqKRy_uXgYc


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 03:20:12 PM
lol spooky how apt that song is


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 19, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Hi Greek,

I dont exactly know the procedure for funding poker accounts on Betfair so this is a bit of guessing here.

It seems there was no cash left in the last three months, when the full account history comes through it may or may not have poker room business on there from earlier. The missing funds that Flops cannot account for might have been syphoned off via the poker room and not just the sportsbook. That could explain why even when the figs on the transactions showed a profit the amount left in the account doesnt match. If you move funds to the Aussie wallet from the UK wallet on Betfair thioe details on the Aussie wallet business aren't visible when viewing your UK wallet, could you check or could some of the lads that play poker on BF let us know if proker transactions are listed somewhere else on the account?

Just thinking ahead and again it might lead to nowt, if he has been dumping cash thru the poker room earlier in the accounts life it might lead to a record of who owned the accounts the money ended up with and this might lead to showing if there was anyone else invovled with getting the funds out of the account.

If he dumped say 5k on a heads up table to himself on another account in his name it would be clearly visable and set off the alarm bells, if he sits down and plays 10-15 hands against an account in a different name it wont set off any alarm bells security wise but would end up moving the funds to this other account and simply pay a little in rake to do so.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: phatom_lord on June 19, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
oh and i know of arbboy IRL, he is def a character lol.

while i initially thought his posts were very repetitive and a bit close to the line (bear in mind i'm only catching up on this thread now and assume some of it has been - possibly heavily - edited by mods) given the seriousness of the actual revelations to come to light they are completely justified imo.

yes he started by making a point about the south korea match, but ultimately he was making other points and asking the sort questions that should of been more purposefully brought up weeks and months ago by those with a vested interest. had they done so then perhaps the problem wouldn't have escalated to what it has become now.

That;s only because none of his very pertinent questions were being answered, instead there was just a bunch of droolers replying to his posts with some lol stuff. That he ended up being banned is just amazing. What a thread.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chrisbruce on June 19, 2010, 03:30:53 PM
Betfair do not have seperate books / account for poker / sports betting etc.

Everything comes from the same money pot, except for the Australian betting which may be accounted for seperately.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 03:33:32 PM
btw guys i sent my money via bank transfer but he also said you can pay via fulltilt transfer.  Can anyone who has memebership at one of those tracking sites for cash games see if he blew alot of money on cash games, or i guess if he wanted to send it out he would do it via transfer on fulltilt?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: h on June 19, 2010, 03:34:07 PM
looking at  the spread sheet that was posted
for what its worth may help some less able with excel to see what happened

when   market   p/l
Aug-09   soccer   £1,020
Sep-09   soccer   -£2,660

Oct-09   soccer   -£164
Nov-09   nothing either no activety or data missing from sheet ?   
Dec-09   soccer   -£15,632
      

Jan-10   Cricket   -£5,000
   as mentioned on thread this looks like cash dump ?   
Jan-10   Darts   £1,293
Jan-10   Golf   -£1,423
   again looks like  5 k cash dump within  golf data ?   
Jan-10   Horse Racing    £291
Jan-10   Snooker   £88
Jan-10   Tennis   £318
Jan-10   Soccer   £36,694
      £32,261
Feb-10   Basket ball   £92
Feb-10   Cricket   -£15,346
   suspious trade - 7k cash dump ?   
Feb-10   Darts   £1,103
Feb-10   Golf   -£1,714
Feb-10   Horse Racing    -£21,658
   note 9k of this loss laying    
   GB / Towc 4th Feb   
   GB/Towc 4th Feb 16:40 2m NHF   
   De Forgotten Man   
   Soccer   -£9,368
Feb-10   note 8k of this loss chelsea game backed at 1.27 not layed off   
Feb-10   Tennis   £1,417
      -£45,474
Mar-10   Cricket   -755
Mar-10   Darts   -£4,248
Mar-10   Golf   £308
Mar-10   Horse Racing    -£555
Mar-10   Motor sport   £117
Mar-10   Rugby union   £453
Mar-10   Soccer   -£1,454
Mar-10   Tennis   -£6,905
      -£13,039
      
      -£43,688




Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 19, 2010, 03:37:24 PM
Betfair do not have seperate books / account for poker / sports betting etc.

Everything comes from the same money pot, except for the Australian betting which may be accounted for seperately.

Thanks Chris, does it list poker transactions by session anywhere or if you sit at the poker table with 1k and then get up with 1200 doies that just increase your balance by the 200 quid or is there anywhere on the account to see details of each individual session?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: bobby1 on June 19, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
H, that tennis fig is very very worrying as that is one of the easiest sports to dump cash through self trading on immature markets as soon as they become available.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
look at the spread sheet that was posted
for what its worth my help some less able with excel to see what happened

when   market   p/l
Aug-09   soccer   £1,020
Sep-09   soccer   -£2,660

Oct-09   soccer   -£164
Nov-09   nothing either no activety or data missing from sheet ?   
Dec-09   soccer   -£15,632
      

Jan-10   Cricket   -£5,000
   as mentioned on thread this looks like cash dump ?   
Jan-10   Darts   £1,293
Jan-10   Golf   -£1,423
   again looks like  5 k cash dump within  golf data ?   
Jan-10   Horse Racing    £291
Jan-10   Snooker   £88
Jan-10   Tennis   £318
Jan-10   Soccer   £36,694
      £32,261
Feb-10   Basket ball   £92
Feb-10   Cricket   -£15,346
   suspious trade - 7k cash dump ?   
Feb-10   Darts   £1,103
Feb-10   Golf   -£1,714
Feb-10   Horse Racing    -£21,658
   note 9k of this loss laying    
   GB / Towc 4th Feb   
   GB/Towc 4th Feb 16:40 2m NHF   
   De Forgotten Man   
   Soccer   -£9,368
Feb-10   note 8k of this loss chelsea game backed at 1.27 not layed off   
Feb-10   Tennis   £1,417
      -£45,474
Mar-10   Cricket   -755
Mar-10   Darts   -£4,248
Mar-10   Golf   £308
Mar-10   Horse Racing    -£555
Mar-10   Motor sport   £117
Mar-10   Rugby union   £453
Mar-10   Soccer   -£1,454
Mar-10   Tennis   -£6,905
      -£13,039
      
      -£43,688




So basically there can be no doubt that not only did the "slepping in incident" not happen(he actually won money on that bet) but that for at least 3 months solid he used the tens and tens of thousands in that account as his own little gambling fund betting on everything from darts to the horses? not forgetting the occassional £5k theft that he wouldve cashed out on his other account to pay for holidays, £1k roulette spins etc ,in a nut shell thats what's happend yeah?

Might as well of just spat in every single person that investeds face, this is just so unbelievible, never seen anything like it in my life


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 19, 2010, 03:46:45 PM
Firstly sorry to the guys that lost money in this, it's so sick it's unreal.
I know people that lost money in this and it's terrible.

I am more sickened than anything by what ive just read, seriously is this guy going to go and just drop this mess in his parents lap? did someone say he's 35? ffs his parents must be in their 60's how on earth can you go around giving it the big i am it to everyone living in a deluded world for a year taking 100k of peoples money conning 40 -50 people and then after getting found out just go and tell your parents and cry about it? lol what a joke that isnt a man, not a real man what an utter pathetic sad loser, are his elderly parents gonna have to spend all their savings now or sell there house? i wonder if they have health problems of their own? seriously how this guy can do this in the first place is beyond me but that is so depraved, inconsiderate and scummy to then be a man of his age and the only thing he can do is to cry off to his parents, what an absolute bottom feeder.

If i had slept in and missed the trade or whatever i'd rather rob banks to try and get the money back than do this to my parents, what a loser.

Good post. What a convo that must have been. Hi der Dad, look at me, I am your son and I am scum. I have no morals, I lie and I cheat and I steal. And I do all this for money. People think I'm balla and this makes me feel good. Now I have nothing left, not even my dignity, and I face jail, pls can you give me your money too? Are you proud of me?

Shit me, if it's any consolation to Greekstein your Dad might get pissed off with you for being stupid but he's got no reason to look at you ashamed that your his son. I would die before I did this to my parents.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 19, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
Guys thanks for the sorry's.  They are appreciated. I really didnt want to come out of this as being hated in the poker community whatever the outcome was of my questions on here.  IF he had been 100% legit and posted screenshots/answers to my other questions i would have been man enough to say fair play son.

 It takes a bigger man to say sorry and several of you have.  Several havent but its not an issue.  As everyone knows i had no involvement in this financially apart from (Wisely) advising several young poker kids not to invest and whatever anyone thinks never had an axe to grind.  I could smell a rat a long way out about this and Marky147 (the only guy i know personally to speak to on msn who was actually financially involved) will confirm i told him months ago he was insane to get involved in this scam.   I just wish i had brought it up earlier as i was very close to a number of times but ultimately i had no involvement financially so thought why get involved.  The Korea game was the final straw for me to prove that he knew fu ck all about football trading.

The last poster has got it spot on when he said why i was being repetitive because simply my numerous questions which any genuine pro punter would have answered easily, were not being answered.  I think its odds on a jail sentence will result here unless the guy finds the funds/repayment plan suitable for all concerned.  I think its his only hope.  Maybe a stint inside might do him good and by his 'rock bottom'.  I always thought the guy was a first class knob to be honest like others have said the way he used to cruise around dtd thinking he owned the place.  However i never saw a scam of this size coming on.  I just thought he was using the funds to make money for the investors but also to fund his own roll which was obviously zero.

Nig - why am i a character irl? We have met a few times just interested in what makes you say that?  Whatever anyone says about me ( i am very argumentive and like a verbal ruck/debate) i work very hard to make a living out of this game and do it the proper way.  The thought of people doing stuff like this makes me sick even on a much smaller level than this.  

I will be at DTD next weekend for the £300 so please say hi if you are there.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--GG5hkrx40

Try me fatso.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: ACE2M on June 19, 2010, 03:51:39 PM
jesus.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Amatay on June 19, 2010, 03:52:49 PM
This is the most sickening thing i have ever read since i started playing poker and i am gutted for everyone involved and the Blonde Community in general. I met Blatch once at the IPO in Dublin last year and thought he came across as a massive prick then tbh. Before we even got to Dublin he was pulling out fifthy pound notes at the airport and flipping etc acting like the big i am. One night a few of us went out on the beers and he was pulling out his dosh, placing redic bets on Black Jack and acting like a knob imo, i didnt say anything at the time because i had only ever met Cos previously and didnt really know anyone else and everybody seemed to suck him off so i stayed quiet. He brought most of the drinks that night and even paid for me to have lapdances etc lol. I was like go on then mate, i'll have a dance. In a sick way the investers were probably paying for my lap dances and free drinks that night. I was actually invited by Greekstein, Stu, Kinboshi et. al. to join them in Vegas this yr but part of the main reason i didnt go (although i never told anyone) was because i knew Blatch was also going and i thought he was a massive prat. Gutted for everyone and esp Cos who i spk to a fair amount, really hope this shit somehow sorts its self out :(
All these has really questioned my future involvement in staking and lending people money aswell. Arrrrgh, so sick :(


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: h on June 19, 2010, 03:55:30 PM
H, that tennis fig is very very worrying as that is one of the easiest sports to dump cash through self trading on immature markets as soon as they become available.

i think those involved should be looking fpor bet fair security to check out these events listed below to establish if these were matched by another user
connected to or same as ...................
en Date   Bet Id   Event Id   Sport   Event Menu Hint   Event Name   Selection   Back/Lay   Bet Size (Loc)   Asked Price   Price Taken   Gross P&L (Loc)
01-Jan-2010 00:00:00   9917159832   100985540   Cricket   Bangladesh v India / Bangladesh v India - 1st Test   Bangladesh v India / Bangladesh v India - 1st Test; Bangladesh Score 50 - 2nd Inns   Raqibul Hasan   Back   5,000.00   1.01   1.01   -5,000.00
01-Jan-2010 00:00:00   9917624109   101072572   Golf   Group B / Abu Dhabi Champs   Group B / Abu Dhabi Champs; 1st Round Leader   Niclas Fasth   Back   5,000.00   1.01   1.01   -5,000.00
01-Feb-2010 00:00:00   10127667208   101065549   Cricket   India v South Africa - 2nd Test / SA 2nd Inns Runs      100 Runs or more   Lay Asian   8.00   999.00   999.00   -7,984.00
01-Feb-2010 00:00:00   10011055598   101092396   Soccer   Fixtures 02 February  / Hull v Chelsea   Fixtures 02 February / Hull v Chelsea; Match Odds   Chelsea   Back   8,800.00   1.27   1.27   -8,800.00
01-Mar-2010 00:00:00   10234052970   101192407   Tennis   Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk   Qualifying Matches / Antoniychuk v Savchuk; Match Odds   Kristina Antoniychuk   Back   3,000.00   1.10   1.10   -3,000.00


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 03:55:36 PM
Not sure what if anything can be gained from it but here is the history of his "SickoChamp10k" account on Full Tilt.

Obviously he is as delusional about his poker ability as he is about the rest of his life.


(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8117/38714969.jpg)

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3315/66453277.jpg)


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 04:00:27 PM
Not sure what if anything can be gained from it but here is the history of his "SickoChamp10k" account on Full Tilt.

Obviously he is as delusional about his poker ability as he is about the rest of his life.


(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8117/38714969.jpg)

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3315/66453277.jpg)

ty murph, so december 23rd and may 5th he plays 1 hand and loses 1k and 250 .


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 19, 2010, 04:03:25 PM
can someone pls pm me the cliff notes

i dont have much invested but still want to know whats going on

is it gg 250 bucks
i remember him saying to me dont tell anyone ur investing under 500. I am doing this football betting for free because i love blonde

sigh gg guys

whats going on with his vegas staking too?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: jizzemm on June 19, 2010, 04:05:03 PM
can someone pls pm me the cliff notes

i dont have much invested but still want to know whats going on

is it gg 250 bucks
i remember him saying to me dont tell anyone ur investing under 500. I am doing this football betting for free because i love blonde

sigh gg guys

whats going on with his vegas staking too?

Gone & Gone is the cliff notes.. Looking like a scam from the start..


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 04:05:22 PM
cliff notes is easy

blatch stole all the money.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 04:05:32 PM
Not sure what if anything can be gained from it but here is the history of his "SickoChamp10k" account on Full Tilt.

Obviously he is as delusional about his poker ability as he is about the rest of his life.


(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8117/38714969.jpg)

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3315/66453277.jpg)

ty murph, so december 23rd and may 5th he plays 1 hand and loses 1k and 250 .

Yep,and he was also playing $2/$4 PLO as recently as 5 days ago.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MC on June 19, 2010, 04:08:14 PM
Not sure what if anything can be gained from it but here is the history of his "SickoChamp10k" account on Full Tilt.

Obviously he is as delusional about his poker ability as he is about the rest of his life.


(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8117/38714969.jpg)

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3315/66453277.jpg)

Sorry but this says nothing about his poker ability as we're talking less than 1000 hands. Seems like a fair few hands are 'flips'...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
i played him a bit at 100nl rush which isn't tracked, he played very LAG but not enough hands to say if he was winning or not

tbh i started playing rush because of his thread on it and i've been doing OK (cue crazy downswing) so i guess i should be grateful for that



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 04:11:23 PM
Greekstein, have you contacted betfair security mate or are you waiting for the blonde member who works for betfair to get back to you?  Obviously you've requested the new account history as you said so we will see if the one Neil gave you is doctored.  Also tightend you said you had been informed the police had been contacted, do you or the person who contacted the police have any updates?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Jon MW on June 19, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
...

Sorry but this says nothing about his poker ability as we're talking less than 1000 hands. Seems like a fair few hands are 'flips'...

It does say something about his gambling problem though

And it might be that some of the stakes being played could match up with staking money being injected into his fund

Just speculation, but the dates on here could tie into other dates on the betfair account or when he received extra money from people for staking


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Murph1984 on June 19, 2010, 04:11:55 PM
Not sure what if anything can be gained from it but here is the history of his "SickoChamp10k" account on Full Tilt.

Obviously he is as delusional about his poker ability as he is about the rest of his life.


(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8117/38714969.jpg)

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3315/66453277.jpg)

Sorry but this says nothing about his poker ability as we're talking less than 1000 hands. Seems like a fair few hands are 'flips'...

It shows he is a degen looking for quick spin-ups.

I'd also say it does show he is delusional,if he was good enough to play $25/$50 PLO I doubt any of this would have happened.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MC on June 19, 2010, 04:12:40 PM
Just incase anyone finds it relevant...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 04:18:11 PM
Sent: 19 June 2010 15:04:26 o'clock GMT+01:00
Subject: Neil Blatchly Scam


Hi
 
My account name on BF is xxxxx. I was a member of the group of people who staked Neil Blatchly to trade televised football matches on BF. It has become apparent that he has stolen our money by trading with another account owned by himself. It appears that he has stolen something like £100K maybe 70 or 80 of it through BF.
 
The email associated with the account is nblatchly@yahoo.co.uk
 
Very long discussion about it here
 
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48399.0
 
discussion on your own forum
 
http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/25085669/how_i_lost_100k_of_others_peoples_money_trading_on_betfair?pg=6
 
The original blondepoker forum thread where he asked for staking has been removed, they will be happy to cooporate with you I'm sure, I know the owners and can help if necessary.
 
This is a large fraud. 3 people invested £10K numerous people a few thousand, me only £500.
 
Please can you look into it and keep me informed of any questions or updates you might have.
 
Many Thanks
 


Dear ,

Thank you for your e-mail.

I have passed this information onto the relevant department who will investigate this further.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further enquiries.

Kind regards,

Scott Taylor

Betfair Helpdesk



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 04:19:50 PM
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00         Cancelled      United kingdom   10144253091   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      78,000.00      1.28      
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00   18-Feb-2010 20:08:24      Settled      United kingdom   10144281042   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      50,524.08      1.27   1.27   13,641.51

These bets were made on the 18th Feb. The total loss from then until the end of the spreadsheet was -21058.68, so I am right in thinking we have around £29,000 not accounted for or am I just tired and confused lol?


I made a mistake with this. He put £78k on @1.28 which was cancelled and then £50k @ 1.27 which were two separate bets, that would mean that there was actually at least £128k in the account on the 18th Feb right? And should be £107k at the end of the sheet, despite the losses...


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Tractor on June 19, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
Dont forget you are presuming the cancelled bets are really cancelled not a doctored entry.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: NoflopsHomer on June 19, 2010, 04:24:28 PM
Dont forget you are presuming the cancelled bets are really cancelled not a doctored entry.

True, I've have passed this across to Ling and Rooks who are going through the actual account atm.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 04:26:14 PM
he's an accountant according to this

http://razorsharpprose.com/files/portfolio/WPT36.pro.pdf


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Acidmouse on June 19, 2010, 04:26:30 PM
No one can forgive him for what he has done and the bullshit lies still coming out but fuk me he must be so so deep into a gambling problem he needs alot of help. After justice has been served in whatever way I hope for his sanity he gets it all sorted. I dont like to see anyone suffer. Good luck in getting your wedge back.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: h on June 19, 2010, 04:26:45 PM
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00         Cancelled      United kingdom   10144253091   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      78,000.00      1.28      
18-Feb-2010 00:00:00   18-Feb-2010 20:08:24      Settled      United kingdom   10144281042   101135933   Soccer      Fixtures 18 February  / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni       Fixtures 18 February / Liverpool v Unirea Urziceni ; Match Odds   Liverpool   Back   GBP      United kingdom      50,524.08      1.27   1.27   13,641.51

These bets were made on the 18th Feb. The total loss from then until the end of the spreadsheet was -21058.68, so I am right in thinking we have around £29,000 not accounted for or am I just tired and confused lol?


I made a mistake with this. He put £78k on @1.28 which was cancelled and then £50k @ 1.27 which were two separate bets, that would mean that there was actually at least £128k in the account on the 18th Feb right? And should be £107k at the end of the sheet, despite the losses...

sorry dont think your right

example:
 your on to win 100k at any given point on a specific event you can then lay 75 k on same event doesnt mean funds in your account are either 75 or 100 k
just the your nett liability on that event are covered by funds in your account
i may not be explaining this well  


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
Guys thanks for the sorry's.  They are appreciated. I really didnt want to come out of this as being hated in the poker community whatever the outcome was of my questions on here.  IF he had been 100% legit and posted screenshots/answers to my other questions i would have been man enough to say fair play son.

 It takes a bigger man to say sorry and several of you have.  Several havent but its not an issue.  As everyone knows i had no involvement in this financially apart from (Wisely) advising several young poker kids not to invest and whatever anyone thinks never had an axe to grind.  I could smell a rat a long way out about this and Marky147 (the only guy i know personally to speak to on msn who was actually financially involved) will confirm i told him months ago he was insane to get involved in this scam.   I just wish i had brought it up earlier as i was very close to a number of times but ultimately i had no involvement financially so thought why get involved.  The Korea game was the final straw for me to prove that he knew fu ck all about football trading.

The last poster has got it spot on when he said why i was being repetitive because simply my numerous questions which any genuine pro punter would have answered easily, were not being answered.  I think its odds on a jail sentence will result here unless the guy finds the funds/repayment plan suitable for all concerned.  I think its his only hope.  Maybe a stint inside might do him good and by his 'rock bottom'.  I always thought the guy was a first class knob to be honest like others have said the way he used to cruise around dtd thinking he owned the place.  However i never saw a scam of this size coming on.  I just thought he was using the funds to make money for the investors but also to fund his own roll which was obviously zero.

Nig - why am i a character irl? We have met a few times just interested in what makes you say that?  Whatever anyone says about me ( i am very argumentive and like a verbal ruck/debate) i work very hard to make a living out of this game and do it the proper way.  The thought of people doing stuff like this makes me sick even on a much smaller level than this.  

I will be at DTD next weekend for the £300 so please say hi if you are there.

Yeah and even though you told me I was still happy that everything was fine, everyone that knew him personally was happy and had seen him trading at certain points. Obviously in hindsight we were all way too lax and just took him at his word until the inevitable.

Obviously me getting paid must have been the same time as some of the late joiners coming in for big money and I guess I should have been a bit more inquisitive at only getting £360 profit or whatever it was. I can't remem exactly b/c I told Blatch to keep the money over £300 as a tip for doing it....

Still so sickening how often there were jokes about grimming and when how often I spoke about it to Demps and others on msn about how it might be the sickest grim of all time but never thought it would pan out this way    ;frustrated;


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: easypickings on June 19, 2010, 04:28:52 PM
Don't really know George so felt it was a fair question to ask. Unfortunately all of Blatch's closest poker buddies will now find themselves under the spotlight as people will assume they all knew about his scam. Cliches about lying down with dogs and all that.

I don't think this is true in any way at all. There's absolutely no reason that they have anything to do with this, and I'm sure everybody agrees. They must be going through an awful time at the moment, and I think they need to be sure that they have nothing at all to answer for.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
(http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/pictures/Neil_Blatchly_Masters.jpg)

AMATEUR!


 get yourself down to a  police station to confess you thieving **** !


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Look at his horrible head.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
Look at his horrible head.

This guy was waving 50s around, splashing out on drinks for everyone and behaving like a prat and you guys trusted him?

He sounds like a complete twat. Is this the norm in the poker world? Waving money around like a vulgar rap star?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: mouth on June 19, 2010, 04:48:06 PM
Don't really know George so felt it was a fair question to ask. Unfortunately all of Blatch's closest poker buddies will now find themselves under the spotlight as people will assume they all knew about his scam. Cliches about lying down with dogs and all that.

I don't think this is true in any way at all. There's absolutely no reason that they have anything to do with this, and I'm sure everybody agrees. They must be going through an awful time at the moment, and I think they need to be sure that they have nothing at all to answer for.

I totally agree and hope in no way did it come across that I was suggesting Neil's friends are involved in this.

However, before this thread exploded there were people who trusted Neil 100% - enough to give him 70K in fact.

Cos answered my question about George, and George himself then came on to answer it. (incidentally George, I would stake you again without a doubt as I do rate your game 100%). I have spoken to Cos about it by PM and feel nothing but sorry for anyone who has been unlucky enough to have been taken in by Neil and his lies.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Horneris on June 19, 2010, 04:48:52 PM
Look at his horrible head.

haha.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: OhMy on June 19, 2010, 04:53:18 PM
Maybe my small post was missed, but if he genuinely overslept then his phone records could be checked for activity on day of said 'oversleep'? I'd imagine if he was actually awake that there would be texts or calls during that time. It may not prove that he was awake, but it may prove that he wasn't asleep!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 04:55:47 PM
Maybe my small post was missed, but if he genuinely overslept then his phone records could be checked for activity on day of said 'oversleep'? I'd imagine if he was actually awake that there would be texts or calls during that time. It may not prove that he was awake, but it may prove that he wasn't asleep!

erm unless i'm very much mistaken it's been conclusivley proven this event did not happen?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2010, 04:56:59 PM
Maybe my small post was missed, but if he genuinely overslept then his phone records could be checked for activity on day of said 'oversleep'? I'd imagine if he was actually awake that there would be texts or calls during that time. It may not prove that he was awake, but it may prove that he wasn't asleep!

think it's pretty obv already that the 'overslept' was a complete lie!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 04:57:49 PM

I'd pay money to wipe that smug look off his face with a cricket bat


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 04:59:04 PM
I'd pay money to wipe that smug look off his face with a cricket bat

I don't think payment would be required tbh


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: kinboshi on June 19, 2010, 04:59:22 PM
Maybe my small post was missed, but if he genuinely overslept then his phone records could be checked for activity on day of said 'oversleep'? I'd imagine if he was actually awake that there would be texts or calls during that time. It may not prove that he was awake, but it may prove that he wasn't asleep!

erm unless i'm very much mistaken it's been conclusivley proven this event did not happen?

He didn't oversleep.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 05:00:33 PM
All this did he over sleep didn he is totally irrelevant because this is just another one of blatchs lies. the guys STOLEN alot of money by various devious ways. ffs


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 19, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
All this did he over sleep didn he is totally irrelevant because this is just another one of blatchs lies. the guys STOLEN alot of money by various devious ways. ffs

this

this is a very serious matter and ppl who i dont think are involved post stuff that isnt relevant


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: the sicilian on June 19, 2010, 05:04:50 PM
Cos.. hat off to u sir,your maturity has surprised m eand  is beyond your years. Im sure your dad understood going in that he could lose the money. If i was him id shake ur hand and pat u on the back for your honesty and integrity. As an honest guy your the easiest to be taken in by a so called ' good mate '. Im sure he will agree no one could have foresaw this. Wev'e all been duped before..my best m8 since school set me up and stole a lump off me before hightailing it to cyprus..beforehand i would have trusted him with my life.

As an aside as late as thursday i pm'd blatch back and forth about friends wanting to invest a significant figure... even at that stage he was willing to take the money..this alone shows you what kind of worm this guy truly is.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
Lets not forget he did say it was "virtually impossible" to lose your entire stake.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
All this did he over sleep didn he is totally irrelevant because this is just another one of blatchs lies. the guys STOLEN alot of money by various devious ways. ffs

this

this is a very serious matter and ppl who i dont think are involved post stuff that isnt relevant

listen to you carry on like you're the only one who's lost money in it

go and play a sit n go or something while the big boys talk


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Laxie on June 19, 2010, 05:11:16 PM
All this did he over sleep didn he is totally irrelevant because this is just another one of blatchs lies. the guys STOLEN alot of money by various devious ways. ffs

this

this is a very serious matter and ppl who i dont think are involved post stuff that isnt relevant

listen to you carry on like you're the only one who's lost money in it

go and play a sit n go or something while the big boys talk

Post match bickering won't help the situation Lads.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 05:12:49 PM
Bad news about our little venture, Jim.
The communists have broken through.


 
Heading for the capital
with little resistance.


 
What the fuck are you on about?


 
I got word they were
planning a push.


 
The final coup de grâce.
I told Jimmy.


 
- It's all over.
- Fuck's sake!


 
- Keep your voice down.
- Get my money out quick, now.


 
As if it was some little kiddie's
piggy bank.


 
I explained that wasn't possible. We
thought we'd bought a government.


 
Maybe someone made a better offer.
Forget about it.


 
You win some, you lose some.


 
How much are we talking?


 
It's only a cheeky half-mil, Jim.


 
- It's much more than that.
- How much?


 
- Thirteen.
- Thirteen what?


 
- Thirteen million pounds. I'm fucked.
- Have you gone fucking mad?


 
Thirteen million pounds!


 
How could you be
so fucking stupid?


 
You've been right grafted,
royally turned over.


 
Like some Yank buying
London Bridge.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Tractor on June 19, 2010, 05:14:54 PM
Not sure if this is relevant but just googling his name came up wit this -

Neil John Blatchly in the Leicester CC 332 of 2007

Now i dont know what it means and it may not be him, but is cc crown court?



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: OhMy on June 19, 2010, 05:17:07 PM
I was merely pointing out that this could be a concrete piece of evidence to add to the case. Unless you have a list of people involved you shouldn't be making assumptions


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 05:20:46 PM
Not sure if this is relevant but just googling his name came up wit this -

Neil John Blatchly in the Leicester CC 332 of 2007

Now i dont know what it means and it may not be him, but is cc crown court?



I think it could be bankruptcy


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 19, 2010, 05:20:57 PM
All this did he over sleep didn he is totally irrelevant because this is just another one of blatchs lies. the guys STOLEN alot of money by various devious ways. ffs

this

this is a very serious matter and ppl who i dont think are involved post stuff that isnt relevant

listen to you carry on like you're the only one who's lost money in it

go and play a sit n go or something while the big boys talk

sorry big boy but i dont think i have said anything out of line


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 05:22:14 PM
Not sure if this is relevant but just googling his name came up wit this -

Neil John Blatchly in the Leicester CC 332 of 2007

Now i dont know what it means and it may not be him, but is cc crown court?



Possible judgement against him for bankruptcy.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: KarmaDope on June 19, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
Not sure if this is relevant but just googling his name came up wit this -

Neil John Blatchly in the Leicester CC 332 of 2007

Now i dont know what it means and it may not be him, but is cc crown court?



Possible judgement against him for bankruptcy.

It's an IVA.

Basically he was in debt and went into a special arrangement to pay back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Voluntary_Arrangement

http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/eiir/IIRCaseIndivDetail.asp?CaseId=1619057&IndivNo=1&Court=LEICS&OfficeID=95&CaseType=I


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 05:26:24 PM
if he is a bankrupt and his parents know this and have accepted a lavish holiday from him, it's possible they've broken the law and probable that they are dodgy as fuck too. depends on how long the bankruptcy was for and other stuff of course. IANAL LDO





Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: h on June 19, 2010, 05:32:24 PM
Not sure if this is relevant but just googling his name came up wit this -

Neil John Blatchly in the Leicester CC 332 of 2007

Now i dont know what it means and it may not be him, but is cc crown court?



it was almost fashionable for ex students to clear there student loans this way

Possible judgement against him for bankruptcy.

It's an IVA.

Basically he was in debt and went into a special arrangement to pay back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Voluntary_Arrangement

http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/eiir/IIRCaseIndivDetail.asp?CaseId=1619057&IndivNo=1&Court=LEICS&OfficeID=95&CaseType=I

it was almost fashionable for ex uni  students to clear there student loans this way
was he a student ?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 19, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
it look like an IVA.   I have looked further throuhg the gazzette for that day and the personal insolvs are in a different section.  Blatch is in this section called other notices

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/59310/pages/738

 but his name is mentioned in this section and given the sheer volume of people in here and the fact its not in the personal insolvs i would be odds on its IVA list.  However it was dated 2007.  If he is in an IVA its a 5 year arrangement which he would obviously still be in and he would have massively lied to the courts via his insolv advisor about his income/status.  There is no way any court would accept your profession as being a bf trader/pro punter as part of an IVA for obv reasons.  Therefore on top of all the other points he has highly likely committed another offense here if this is him in question and it is an IVA.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: erse on June 19, 2010, 05:41:37 PM
sniff.

best left to the authorities.

reckless betting on the liverpool game. it's very hard to lay five figure amounts with any kind of strategy. just look at the world cup match odds, you'll very rarely have over 10 grand at any price. Solution would be to take slightly poorer odds and/or take more time after deciding to reverse your bet until the full amount is covered.

what comes to mind is if you think this was some kind of business arrangment, you should have had a contract.

nonetheless, condolences to those who showed some human faith and were stung by this guy.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 05:43:26 PM
Just in the middle of a long discussion with someone from BF.

Will post notes shortly.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TightEnd on June 19, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
The two threads... Original Blatch staking and Blatch WSOP are now public again

They are locked (so no non mod can delete their posts, edit their posts etc), but they are also stickied at the top of the board so you don't have to hunt for them



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: lurker22222 on June 19, 2010, 05:51:44 PM
Another thing, did nobody question what would happen in the event of a powercut or a Betfair outage?

You'd want to have another account someplace at the ready to avoid losing all your dough. It could easily happen,
I and others on Betfair have been burned before and learned a very serious (but obvious) lesson.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 05:53:04 PM
That point was raised at the beginning, he said he'd use the telephone service in event of the site going down.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
OK i've read the first 20odd pages and I was wrong about the ramping thing. I apologise to Greekstein.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 06:07:12 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

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Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Newmanseye on June 19, 2010, 06:07:46 PM
Wow Just Wow!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 06:08:45 PM
Seriously the fucking stones on the guy:

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« Reply #882 on: 19 January 2010, 22:39:40 » 

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Quote from: kinboshi on 19 January 2010, 22:37:48
Quote from: Blatch on 19 January 2010, 21:15:47
Yeah Colossal movement, sadly I was asleep since midday due to Ozzie open.



Amateur.


Sleeping on the job - sackable offence?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 06:08:57 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

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Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09

lol he makes 22k and tells us hes won 3k, but all the while hes still losing/spending our cash.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 06:10:28 PM
OK i've read the first 20odd pages and I was wrong about the ramping thing. I apologise to Greekstein.



No worries but u can see why i was so upset.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
In the original thread on pages 10 and 17 there's a lot of jokes about being grimmed

This is like some sort of nightmare. It's so surreal


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 06:11:44 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09

lol he makes 22k and tells us hes won 3k, but all the while hes still losing/spending our cash.

oops my mistake again, its lpool spurs not lpool stoke, i should pay more attention.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2010, 06:12:44 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09

lol he makes 22k and tells us hes won 3k, but all the while hes still losing/spending our cash.

oops my mistake again, its lpool spurs not lpool stoke, i should pay more attention.

Me too. Sigh


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 06:14:02 PM
OK i've read the first 20odd pages and I was wrong about the ramping thing. I apologise to Greekstein.



No worries but u can see why i was so upset.

Yes and I'm sorry



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 06:14:54 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

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Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09

lol he makes 22k and tells us hes won 3k, but all the while hes still losing/spending our cash.

Is this for sure? this is unreal i cant believe i just read that, if it's 100% confirmed from the guys that have access to his account and spreadsheet that he DID make 22k on that match and just palmed his backers off with 3k than i really cant believe that, it just gets worse and worse, the reason i say that is because its not even like he could use the snowball excuse like he was chasing the money that he'd lost, he's basically for no reason at all after this game had a massive result on it and decided to steal it from his investors? what a piece of work!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: byronkincaid on June 19, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
is everyone reading that thread thinking HTF did i fall for all that bullshit? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 06:16:49 PM
is everyone reading that thread thinking HTF did i fall for all that bullshit? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Yeah it's just incredible how someone can fabricate such an image in a short space of time


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 06:17:58 PM
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Re: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
« Reply #143 on: August 30, 2009, 08:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Micko on August 30, 2009, 12:39:36 PM
Blatch is this going better than you expected? Just wondered why you didt just use your own money?

Impressive stuff btw

Yes and no.  Going well but still quite a small sample so far although did trial it last season briefly.

Why I didnt use my own cash ......

a) Help build a community spirit on here
b) Im a nice person and I like making other people money
c) A chance to grim some blondes

or basically cos I didnt want to risk my own cash on betfair without knowing it works




SICK comments !


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on June 19, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: sovietsong on September 08, 2009, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Blatch on September 08, 2009, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: sovietsong on September 08, 2009, 12:04:41 PM
I am interested to know, is all the trading done pre kick off? If something went wrong would it be possible that a large chunk of the investment could be lost?

Great stuff so far. Congrats!


Yes it could go horribly wrong but we should only lose a fraction more than what we normally make on any one game.


sounds amazing, are you sure this isnt ponzi?


I would love to say it is but sadly ... its not





Not quite soviet, nearly though


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: chezzboy on June 19, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
Yes mate bigtime, hindight's 20/20 but when he told me he didn't know how much I had invested I should have smelt a rat. Another thing I asked him is which software he uses, (it makes it easier for greening up) he just replied:

"Don't need any for what I do."

Yeah you don't really need software to withdraw money and spunk it up the wall do ya.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 06:19:11 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09

lol he makes 22k and tells us hes won 3k, but all the while hes still losing/spending our cash.

Is this for sure? this is unreal i cant believe i just read that, if it's 100% confirmed from the guys that have access to his account and spreadsheet that he DID make 22k on that match and just palmed his backers off with 3k than i really cant believe that, it just gets worse and worse, the reason i say that is because its not even like he could use the snowball excuse like he was chasing the money that he'd lost, he's basically for no reason at all after this game had a massive result on it and decided to steal it from his investors? what a piece of work!!

no sorry we think he made the money on liverpool stoke on january 16th not liverpool spurs. mistake on my part by just skim reading whilst playing poker


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sovietsong on June 19, 2010, 06:23:07 PM
I'm not going to aftertime but my ponzi joke was a real concern. Whilst it was only a small factor in the reason i didn't invest (the big reason being busto obv) it did stop me getting a few mates together to put in a few k. I'm lucky rather than clever.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
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Re: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
« Reply #143 on: August 30, 2009, 08:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Micko on August 30, 2009, 12:39:36 PM
Blatch is this going better than you expected? Just wondered why you didt just use your own money?

Impressive stuff btw

Yes and no.  Going well but still quite a small sample so far although did trial it last season briefly.

Why I didnt use my own cash ......

a) Help build a community spirit on here
b) Im a nice person and I like making other people money
c) A chance to grim some blondes

or basically cos I didnt want to risk my own cash on betfair without knowing it works




SICK comments !

confirmed sociopath


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 06:25:23 PM
Right, spoken to BF....

The guy's opinion who i spoke to says it is likely that Betfair will be far more concerned about the obvious money-laundering (trades at 1.01 and the like) than the fact that the customer (Blatch) ripped off a community of people using a Betfair account.

He has had the situation explained to him and since written a lengthy email to the Fraud department who have been informed of the full situation and an investigation will be conducted.

It might be the case that we won't get much information back from the investigation because we're not the account holder. Betfair also no longer allow 'power of attorney' on accounts which doesn't help.

However, we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours. I will ask George to contact Blatch and get this information.

Someone from Betfair is going to be on to answer questions in the next few days.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
Right, spoken to BF....

The guy's opinion who i spoke to says it is likely that Betfair will be far more concerned about the obvious money-laundering (trades at 1.01 and the like) than the fact that the customer (Blatch) ripped off a community of people using a Betfair account.

He has had the situation explained to him and since written a lengthy email to the Fraud department who have been informed of the full situation and an investigation will be conducted.

It might be the case that we won't get much information back from the investigation because we're not the account holder. Betfair also no longer allow 'power of attorney' on accounts which doesn't help.

However, we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours. I will ask George to contact Blatch and get this information.

Someone from Betfair is going to be on to answer questions in the next few days.

Thanks for spending your time on this greekstein im sure we all appreciate it.  Are they going to contact the police to aid in the investigation?  I'm sure they will do their best to help because if this got out to the media it might damage their reputation a bit even though they have don't nothing wrong im sure this whole situation will have negative consequences on gambling as a whole. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 19, 2010, 06:30:09 PM
OMG just OMG......I have read all of this and it's taken over 3 hours, I am completely gobsmacked by all of this!

Really feel for the guys who were big mates of Blatch, hope you get your monies back somehow, good luck to you all on this.

Stick together and justice will prevail.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: erse on June 19, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
Quote
we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours.

IMHO you'd be wise not to do that. Let the authorities do what they have to do. You could incriminate yourself by allowing yourself access to the account.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: MPOWER on June 19, 2010, 06:33:05 PM
well I've read 60 Pages Today..

Blatch must feel terrible as his whole little world is collapsing around him. Or may be it's just a big relief this has come to an end.

The 80K payback is whenever or more likely never.......If he has a IVA he's totally unfinanceable.

The stacking group I feel really sorry for.... For Greekstein to sell his Father the idea and this this happens. it's sure going to be a difficult chat.

A big award must go to aarboy for bringing this up. and finally I do hope the Police get a result form the Courts I think it would do Neil good to
get away from the world of gaming and time to reflect in Jail.

Blonde is Amazing the amount of things that happen it's like a soap gone mad........

Good Luck

Regards

M



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 06:33:27 PM
Right, spoken to BF....

The guy's opinion who i spoke to says it is likely that Betfair will be far more concerned about the obvious money-laundering (trades at 1.01 and the like) than the fact that the customer (Blatch) ripped off a community of people using a Betfair account.

He has had the situation explained to him and since written a lengthy email to the Fraud department who have been informed of the full situation and an investigation will be conducted.

It might be the case that we won't get much information back from the investigation because we're not the account holder. Betfair also no longer allow 'power of attorney' on accounts which doesn't help.

However, we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours. I will ask George to contact Blatch and get this information.

Someone from Betfair is going to be on to answer questions in the next few days.

Cos- I'm about to go out with the family.

text me the info you need and I'll ring Neil

cheers,


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on June 19, 2010, 06:34:20 PM
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Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 06:36:02 PM
Right, spoken to BF....

The guy's opinion who i spoke to says it is likely that Betfair will be far more concerned about the obvious money-laundering (trades at 1.01 and the like) than the fact that the customer (Blatch) ripped off a community of people using a Betfair account.

He has had the situation explained to him and since written a lengthy email to the Fraud department who have been informed of the full situation and an investigation will be conducted.

It might be the case that we won't get much information back from the investigation because we're not the account holder. Betfair also no longer allow 'power of attorney' on accounts which doesn't help.

However, we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours. I will ask George to contact Blatch and get this information.

Someone from Betfair is going to be on to answer questions in the next few days.

Thanks for spending your time on this greekstein im sure we all appreciate it.  Are they going to contact the police to aid in the investigation?  I'm sure they will do their best to help because if this got out to the media it might damage their reputation a bit even though they have don't nothing wrong im sure this whole situation will have negative consequences on gambling as a whole. 

fuck all of this, people are saying they are still in contact with blatch, just get him to come on here and tell everyone the time of day, is he such a fucking loser he cant tell when he's out of options/ there's no one left to grimm, his reputation is finished and whatever the truth of it all is it cant be any worse than what we're all deducing/speculating, also it might piss people off less that we dont have to go through all this investigation bollox running round like headless chickens without the slightest clue what's going on.

Salvage the last big of dignity you can for yourself blatch and come on here and explain all the bets from the start and what's really gone on instead of putting all these boys through having to do all this analysis/investigation bullshit!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: sweet potata! on June 19, 2010, 06:38:01 PM
Right, spoken to BF....

The guy's opinion who i spoke to says it is likely that Betfair will be far more concerned about the obvious money-laundering (trades at 1.01 and the like) than the fact that the customer (Blatch) ripped off a community of people using a Betfair account.

He has had the situation explained to him and since written a lengthy email to the Fraud department who have been informed of the full situation and an investigation will be conducted.

It might be the case that we won't get much information back from the investigation because we're not the account holder. Betfair also no longer allow 'power of attorney' on accounts which doesn't help.

However, we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours. I will ask George to contact Blatch and get this information.

Someone from Betfair is going to be on to answer questions in the next few days.

Thanks for spending your time on this greekstein im sure we all appreciate it.  Are they going to contact the police to aid in the investigation?  I'm sure they will do their best to help because if this got out to the media it might damage their reputation a bit even though they have don't nothing wrong im sure this whole situation will have negative consequences on gambling as a whole. 

fuck all of this, people are saying they are still in contact with blatch, just get him to come on here and tell everyone the time of day, is he such a fucking loser he cant tell when he's out of options/ there's no one left to grimm, his reputation is finished and whatever the truth of it all is it cant be any worse than what we're all deducing/speculating, also it might piss people off less that we dont have to go through all this investigation bollox running round like headless chickens without the slightest clue what's going on.

Salvage the last big of dignity you can for yourself blatch and come on here and explain all the bets from the start and what's really gone on instead of putting all these boys through having to do all this analysis/investigation bullshit!!

Well said TheoneTwo


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: KarmaDope on June 19, 2010, 06:38:47 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Marky147 on June 19, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
Quote
we may be able to bi-pass this a little if we get access to all of Neils accounts and have email addresses changed to ours.

IMHO you'd be wise not to do that. Let the authorities do what they have to do. You could incriminate yourself by allowing yourself access to the account.

I think it's pretty futile asking Blatch for any details about anything, he can't even tell the truth when he's caught bang to rights. Just let the authorities crack on and leave yourself out of any harms way mate.

You've already gone above and beyond what was expected of you in attempts to uncover his thieving. I'd just let them get on and find out just what this wrongun has been up to and hopefully get him sharing showers with some big old units!



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on June 19, 2010, 06:41:22 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Tractor on June 19, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?

That we dont know, does anyone if it is him? ie same middle name, dob?


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: KarmaDope on June 19, 2010, 06:42:38 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?

Based on the info in my link and Blatch's FB (area of living + birthdate) I would say yes.

Don't know his middle name or address but I'm guessing his mates might be able to answer that one. Blatchly (that specific spelling) isn't a very common name though so I would say it's a bit of a coincidence that someone else with the same name, surname, dob and area of living has also got an IVA.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 06:47:37 PM
The person from BF is a member of blonde and will be on to 'unofficially' answer questions, rather than speaking on behalf of BF.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: George2Loose on June 19, 2010, 06:54:26 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?

Based on the info in my link and Blatch's FB (area of living + birthdate) I would say yes.

Don't know his middle name or address but I'm guessing his mates might be able to answer that one. Blatchly (that specific spelling) isn't a very common name though so I would say it's a bit of a coincidence that someone else with the same name, surname, dob and area of living has also got an IVA.

If it is Neil- I had no idea about this


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: arbboy on June 19, 2010, 06:55:26 PM
people dont generally talk about having an IVA. 


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Jon MW on June 19, 2010, 06:55:52 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?

Based on the info in my link and Blatch's FB (area of living + birthdate) I would say yes.

Don't know his middle name or address but I'm guessing his mates might be able to answer that one. Blatchly (that specific spelling) isn't a very common name though so I would say it's a bit of a coincidence that someone else with the same name, surname, dob and area of living has also got an IVA.

What is Blatch's date of birth? I might be able to find out if that is his middle name


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Nutter5932 on June 19, 2010, 06:57:08 PM
I was slightly annoyed and gave blatch some benefit of the doubt when I first saw it all but now after what has developed, Well its disgusting for every single investor through this - The Vegas stake and i gather their will be others involved to.

I got to Vegas next Weds and nearly "tried" to get my money out as a precaution / boost the funds when out their. I was in for £500 from the word go and this is what i got on the progress 2 weeks ago.

Re: Let it ride
« Sent to: Nutter5932 on: June 06, 2010, 11:23:11 PM »
     
Not quite bud, its currently worth 1331.27

Think they may have been some confusion earlier in season when I said things were at about 300% profit when it shoudl have said return.  Sorry for the confusion


So I actually thought I had this much obviously and suppose I got greedy. I feel pretty bad for Greekstein, George and everyone else in this - I think its clear no one will be paid back anything significant for years if any at all.

Lets hope it all gets cleared up how the money vanished no matter how ugly it gets the truth needs to be heard for us all.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: TheoneTwo on June 19, 2010, 06:58:32 PM
"156 guests viewing this thread" lol i'm guessing this thread is being linked to a load of other sites/forum etc...

good, glad the secrets out about this scumbag, he wont be able to walk into a casino in the next 5 years!

Everyone in the poker world, online and live, must know about this now, all the betfair mob, all the REAL pro punters and everyone who has the slightest interest in gambling/poker knows about this complete degenerate now

well done sir, you just became the most famous "pro punter",poker player, degenerate in the UK!!


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: a.sparrow on June 19, 2010, 07:00:22 PM
with all the members and guests viewing this thread its clear its greated abit of a stir and alot of people are interested.  Maybe blatch should write a book on his this or sell his story and the proceeds raised could be used to pay us all back.  


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: KarmaDope on June 19, 2010, 07:00:41 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?

Based on the info in my link and Blatch's FB (area of living + birthdate) I would say yes.

Don't know his middle name or address but I'm guessing his mates might be able to answer that one. Blatchly (that specific spelling) isn't a very common name though so I would say it's a bit of a coincidence that someone else with the same name, surname, dob and area of living has also got an IVA.

What is Blatch's date of birth? I might be able to find out if that is his middle name

His DOB is 6th May 1982 according to FB.

This is the IVA page on the register I found: http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/eiir/IIRCaseIndivDetail.asp?CaseId=1619057&IndivNo=1&Court=LEICS&OfficeID=95&CaseType=I


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Simon Galloway on June 19, 2010, 07:04:53 PM
Right, spoken to BF....

The guy's opinion who i spoke to says it is likely that Betfair will be far more concerned about the obvious money-laundering (trades at 1.01 and the like) than the fact that the customer (Blatch) ripped off a community of people using a Betfair account.

Someone from Betfair is going to be on to answer questions in the next few days.


If Betfair's AMLO believes this to be an obvious money laundering trade, then why haven't they got something in place to highlight large size "off-market" trades, particularly one from an expert* trader with a glaringly obvious trend.

*expert as in FSA definition, rather than our definition.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: Jon MW on June 19, 2010, 07:07:48 PM
The IVA doesn't cover Student Loans so h's idea is wrong, sorry bud. Even if you go bankrupt these days, Student Loans, court fines and a couple of other things can't be wiped.

As someone's said above though, the fact that he has an IVA probably means that you guys have next to no chance of getting monies back legally.

And is it the same Neil Blatchley that supposedly got this IVA thingy?

Or are we being led the wrong way (again)?

Based on the info in my link and Blatch's FB (area of living + birthdate) I would say yes.

Don't know his middle name or address but I'm guessing his mates might be able to answer that one. Blatchly (that specific spelling) isn't a very common name though so I would say it's a bit of a coincidence that someone else with the same name, surname, dob and area of living has also got an IVA.

What is Blatch's date of birth? I might be able to find out if that is his middle name

His DOB is 6th May 1982 according to FB.

This is the IVA page on the register I found: http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/eiir/IIRCaseIndivDetail.asp?CaseId=1619057&IndivNo=1&Court=LEICS&OfficeID=95&CaseType=I

Yes only one Neil Blatchly born in the 2nd quarter of 1982 and that is Neil John Blatchly

slightly odd - birth registered in Hastings and Rother


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: vinni on June 19, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
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     Re: Buy a share in a race horse!
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2010, 03:49:57 PM »   

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Quote from: The Camel on February 19, 2010, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: vinni on February 19, 2010, 03:27:29 PM
i cant see what the problem was ,a fair bit of slander in my eyes.


Barry, although the name Adrian Swingler rings a bell, I don't actually know who it is.

I do know if I was buying a horse Richard Guest would be among the last 3 trainers I would choose to send it to.


Keith - I know F all about racing etc - who wouldnt you mind sending it too?

Anyone around the midlands that is reasonable?

you lot nearly owned a horse.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: The Camel on June 19, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
The original thread is terribly uncoimfortably to read.

We are all so ridiculously niave.

Noone could have such an amazing strike rate as he claimed.

He was claiming 95%+ wins which is just impossible.

I am really thinking it was a con from start to finish and the early results were just to encourage new and bigger investments.

I hope Blatch can be a man and come back and tell the investors exactly what has happened to the money.



Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 07:19:16 PM
Just had a call from george.

APPARENTLY, Neil is going through all the transactions with his brother in law and is going to put up a detailed post.


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: treefella on June 19, 2010, 07:24:19 PM








If the guy ever wants to be able to show his face in any casino, dtd or poker venue again then he quite simply has to be man enough to own up totally ,to the police &  come on here  and post up the whole sorry tale. the smallest % chance of any forgiveness maybe but its about being man enough to face up to the truth . Do the right thing neil !


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: h on June 19, 2010, 07:25:54 PM
Original thread:

« Reply #886 on: 20 January 2010, 19:11:47 » 

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Another record broken and im really happy with this one as was starting to doubt myself very early this morning.

Liverpool +3072.27
Draw +3072.09
Spurs +3072.09

according to spread sheet +3072.27 so this post was true


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: BAM on June 19, 2010, 07:36:31 PM
Just had a call from george.

APPARENTLY, Neil is going through all the transactions with his brother in law and is going to put up a detailed post.

Blatch has a sister!

Gave my advice this morning mate, I know you are trying to help but a lot of people on here do not believe a word that is being said by him now, so best to distance yourselves from him imo x


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: GreekStein on June 19, 2010, 07:37:32 PM
Just had a call from george.

APPARENTLY, Neil is going through all the transactions with his brother in law and is going to put up a detailed post.

Blatch has a sister!

Gave my advice this morning mate, I know you are trying to help but a lot of people on here do not believe a word that is being said by him now, so best to distance yourselves from him imo x

I have bud. ty


Title: Re: Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading
Post by: vegaslover on June 19, 2010, 07:44:34 PM